Dear lord..... please choose UNLV. Save yourself the years of financial burden that Roseman will put you in.
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Interview #4
School: Roseman
Notification date: 1/9 @ 9:03am PST
Method of notification: email
Residency: CA
AADSAS mail-out date: 8/9
Application complete date: 8/24 (waiting for official DAT scores)
GPA (science, overall): 4.0, 3.86
DAT (AA/TS/PAT/Reading/any section below a 17): 20/21/22/23/QR15
Dates available OR your interview date: 1/25
I just sent them an email yesterday that I will decline this interview after receiving an acceptance to one of my top choices. Hope one of you waiting to hear from them are able to get my slot on 1/25.
School: Roseman
Notification date: 1/9 @ 9:03am PST
Method of notification: email
Residency: CA
AADSAS mail-out date: 8/9
Application complete date: 8/24 (waiting for official DAT scores)
GPA (science, overall): 4.0, 3.86
DAT (AA/TS/PAT/Reading/any section below a 17): 20/21/22/23/QR15
Dates available OR your interview date: 1/25
I just sent them an email yesterday that I will decline this interview after receiving an acceptance to one of my top choices. Hope one of you waiting to hear from them are able to get my slot on 1/25.
Interviewed there during the previous cycle (in 2017). Interview was chill. Three other people in the room (two staff and 1 student). Roseman likes to invite a LOT of people during the interviews so you'll be surrounded by 100 students or so. The questions weren't difficult, just standard questions interview questions. I think they asked why roseman or why should we pick you. They asked about their philosophy, which you'll learn all about during the presentations. The presentations are long so be prepared. I actually had a bit of a cold that day and wasnt stressed at all.
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Just declined my interview.
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Why except Touro?Word of warning for those accepted. I’m not sure what the faculty is telling you about this joke of a school during interviews so I figured I would give my two cents based on experience. If I could do it over again I would have gone elsewhere. Except Touro,,,,, Clinic is nearly all perio (SRPs/Prophies). You will be lucky to do 5 crowns before graduation. Same with endo and removable. I believe it is the population in south jordan. The people that can afford dental procedures go to practicing dentists, not the school.
The classroom education leaves much to be desired. Truth is you cannot master anything by learning it once and not touching it again. You need repetition. Roseman thinks they are some progressive educational institution with research supporting their model. What research? It's their own research which supports nothing. There is a reason no other school uses this model. Comparing the lecture material presented to material from other schools (obtained from friends at other schools) is embarrassing. The faculty are lazy and do not want to do their jobs as teachers. Several started working at the school right after they themselves graduated. They just want to do the minimum and collect.
There appears to be some kind of deal going on with bioclear and the school as they are forcing newer classes to only use this system and are not teaching traditional preparations or restoration methods (you will not see an amalgam at this school). There was no dental materials class.... Expect to teach that to yourself. Veneers, onlays, inlays, etc.... not taught as they feel this is an old method and they think it's irrelevant. If you want to do OS this may be the school for you. You will do a lot of extractions including wisdom teeth etc. But if you want to be a general dentist this school will not prepare you to hit the ground running for general procedures after graduation.
You may ask yourself, why the current students accept this? Truth is the students here were sold the lifestyle so they are content with the education. This school is very low stress. But there is a reason for it. They don't teach much therefore the stress is lower. I expected D school to be difficult and I’m sure the majority is. This school is not. You will be taught the minimum. Check the boards pass rate. I guarantee it's far lower than most schools. You are buying the degree, not the education. If you are looking to get the most for your $500k, Roseman is not the place. Personally I feel I am being robbed.
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If you were accepted to Roseman, please look up the Facebook group Roseman University Dental Class of 2023 and request to join. Also feel free to message any of the admins of the group if you have any questions about the school or the program! We’re mostly 1st years and we can help answer any questions or concerns you might have!
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Anybody considering going to roseman feel free to message me for the truth. Not sure how much a D1 can tell you about this scam of a school.
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What do you mean by scam? I actually haven’t heard anything impressive about this school tbh w/ ya
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I've been in the field for a long time (19+ years). I have worked in just about every capacity you can think of. I have worked with hundreds of doctors from just about every school, and have taught at 5 dental institutions. I'm not sure why dentalstudent77 is so miserable, but perhaps he/she should have picked a different school or transferred to where see she/he thinks they would be happier. And perhaps they're here because they were rejected elsewhere. My brother and cousin went to UNLV and hated it. Multiple times they were escorted to their cars due to stabbings in the parking lot and people with guns in or around campus.
The clinical experience at Roseman is great. They only have 1 residency program available at the school, so you're not passing on all of your case work to the different residency programs. You work a lot with clinical leaders and specialists and they help you provide great care to your patients.
Roseman will not spoon feed you, so you can ultimately make your schooling experience what you want to. I am in multiple clubs, and heavily involved with happenings at the school. I love it. There is so much to be a part of, but my class-load never runs my life. I have plenty of time for my wife and kids. The people in my class that are the most miserable are those that have struggled or don't come to classes regularly-- therefore they struggle.
The doctors I used to work with, and friends I have, who have gone to other schools tell horror stories about their experiences. It blows their minds that I started in sim clinic in my D1 year, I assisted in the regular clinic in my D1 year, and have passed all of my classes with over a 90%, while maintaining a happy home-life. It's abnormal for me not to go home at 5 and be too exhausted to do anything. I have stayed up until 11 o'clock once to study, and that was a rarity.
Now, true, Roseman isn't a fit for everyone. But if you're interested in the school, go for it. Make it a memorable and exciting experience. Don't take one jaded person's opinion as hard facts. Remember, not everyone loves Disneyland either. Best of luck to you all!
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Look it up on Facebook. It's there. You just have to get permission to join, as it's a closed group.
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Thank you for the detailed response. I interviewed at 6 schools and had a total of 8 interview invites and Roseman definitely stood out to myself. I really enjoyed reading your post and feel like I can envision a lot of what you said. From the many doctors I’ve spoken to and worked for, there seems to be a common denominator in terms of success and it’s not where you go it’s the make up of your character. Thanks for the response!
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Well seems you are bragging about doing the minimum amount of work. Its people with this kind of attitude that allow Roseman to continue their "do the minimum" program model. The "90%" passing system is a bunch of bs with the team points and instructors basically giving you the answers the day before. I guess you like paying a premium for a sub par education. Personally I don't like being ripped off. People who obviously have no grasp of how debt and the real world works will just ignore the fact that they will graduate with far less knowledge and ability than students at most other schools. Sorry to tell you this, but you have to know what you are doing to make money. You don' t just get paid because you have a dental degree. Maybe you have a parent (your brother or cousin) that is a dentist and you will basically walk into a practice with another teacher/supervisor to save you when you have no clue what you are doing. I guarantee your brother and cousin were taught far more than you will ever be taught at this school and came out decently competent and ready to work. On top of that they also developed a work ethic as the program required one or you would never survive. Everybody passes at Roseman, this should be a flag for anybody considering this school. As long as you are paying you will graduate.
What are you basing your clinical experience on? Sounds like you have not been in clinic very much, if at all (you are a D1).... Not sure how you can develop an opinion on clinical experience when you are in clinic as a assistant 1 day a week at most.
Hey, if you are looking to get a crappy education which won't prepare you to hit the ground running after graduation, come here. I would have no issue with the school if the price reflected the quality of education, but it does not. You basically agreed with my previous post that this school is easy and you won't have to work very hard. You will never be at school past 5, never stay up past 11pm to study. Thanks for reinforcing what I was saying. There is a reason you hear the "other schools" are hell. They actually teach you more than what you need at a far smaller price tag. I guess being taught is too much to ask for $500k plus interest?
If you want to pay the most for the least, come here.
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I am actually in the clinic several times a week, and based on the other schools I have taught at and worked with, there is far more interaction at Roseman than the other schools. I also have 19 years of clinical experience behind me that says contradictory to what you're saying.
And my work ethic? I'm at the gym at 4:30 every day, study in the mornings, and during the time given during the days. I paid for my own schooling by working 3 jobs, put my wife though school, and graduated with honors while having kids. Nothing has ever been given to me, I've worked for it. Growing up in a family of 9, living in a 2 bedroom trailer didn't give me an advantage over any one. Perhaps you should keep your opinions to yourself about me. But, because I'm smart with my time, I don't have to stay late every day at school. I also don't have to memorize 20,000 slides a week that are full of irrelevant information because Roseman doesn't give you the "extra fluff" to keep you busy. I've also passed my classes without team points. I don't really rely on others to get me by. My study habits provide me with that knowledge. The team points just make my percentage look better.
And as for your idea of the real world? I am 36. I have already purchased and sold homes, purchased my cars, provide for my family, and have worked hard enough that my savings will provide all of my living expenses for the next 4 years. In fact, my hard work has allowed me to receive scholarships for dental school! Your idea of the real world is quite different than mine. But perhaps it has to do with what I've done in my life, and with my life. I've put in the time to make things happen for me, and set up a plan to help ensure my success.
While your opinion is that you're not happy with Roseman, mine is far different than yours. You have attended 1 school, while I have taught at 2 dental schools, and 3 hygiene schools. Again, perhaps my perspective has come from my experiences at other schools. And if you were smart, you would have avoided the misery and financial debt you're so worried about and gone somewhere else, rather than bag on the school you are attending. It just makes you look ridiculous for complaining about your education, or lack thereof, and still going to that institution that you hate. If I were as miserable as you are, I would have found a way to transfer a long time ago and gone somewhere where I would have been happy and felt I was receiving an education that I could value and be proud of. I'll take my "sub-par" education and happiness over busy work and misery any day.
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@Dentalstudent77 you look petty complaining and trying to call people out by making stuff up. I’m not surprised you are having a bad time in dental school, regardless of where you could’ve or couldn’t have gone.
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He really isn't being petty or making stuff up...I'm from Utah and frankly @Dentalstudent77 is right. Roseman has the reputation of an easy school where you rarely study, regurgitate power points and work with teams to get easy 90%+ on exams, have frequent four day weekends(filled with absolutely no studying), and rarely see patients due to the dentist saturation in the area there aren't a high access to patients. It's cool that @vballdigger1 is defending his school and degree, but with a 500k price tag you'd want to defend it. However, just because you have 19 years as a dental hygienist and are 36 doesn't make your opinion more valid than a D3 or D4 at Roseman your still a D1. Most would much rather be 36 with 10 years of experience as a dentist rather than just starting dental school so don't get all high and mighty on people that are seriously concerned with their lack of education at Roseman or the outrageously high cost of attendance.(it is a common theme just read above posts or other threads about Roseman). So if your only choice is Roseman then still go, but if you have any other options then it would be wise to consider all the many post above that are warning you about the lack in quality of education Roseman really is. Just my two cents.
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I didn't ask for your life history but obviously I hit a nerve with you by threatening the reputation of your school which revealed your insecurities and need to be considered important. Your last statement says it all. You would rather pay more for a "sub-par" education than work hard for a quality one. Sounds like Roseman is the perfect fit for you. Good luck
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I didn't ask for your life history but obviously I hit a nerve with you by threatening the reputation of your school which revealed your insecurities and need to be considered important. Your last statement says it all. You would rather pay more for a "sub-par" education than work hard for a quality one. Sounds like Roseman is the perfect fit for you. Good luck
Dentalstudent77 , and you’re a current student at roseman, correct?
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I didn't ask for your life history but obviously I hit a nerve with you by threatening the reputation of your school which revealed your insecurities and need to be considered important. Your last statement says it all. You would rather pay more for a "sub-par" education than work hard for a quality one. Sounds like Roseman is the perfect fit for you. Good luck
I'm not sensitive about my education at all. You questioned my qualifications about being able to see how inadequate Roseman is, my work ethic, and real life experiences. I simply showed how I can back up my stance and point of view because of those experiences. I am very proud of my accomplishments and the chance I have to be at Roseman.
And @GoDental101 where do you go to dental school? Being from Utah and listening to rumors hardly makes one an expert. Are you there during our study groups? Classes? Labs? Lectures? Do you understand what the Roseman model is and self-discovery is in education? Roseman doesn't give you a bunch of stuff to memorize. It teaches you the basics, and then leads you to the application of what you learn. The problem with traditional education is that is people can memorize a ton of facts, but have a hard time applying those facts to working with real patients. But that is what is so unique to Roseman. They are stepping away from the traditional lecture style to teach you the basics, give you guides and studies to help you see how your studies will be applied to your patients. But, I'm sure you're rumors and sources told you that right? I'm sure they were there during our study groups and in our labs and clinic, right?
While ideally I could have lived at home, gone to college, and had my parents pay for everything when I was 18, I wasn't dealt that hand from life. I, instead, took a different route and ended up where I wanted to be- by my own doing. And my experiences in the field, and life experiences do speak to those looking for another opinion, rather than one unhappy student that would blast his school on social forums while never being able to express his concerns with validity to the actual school itself. If he was concerned about his education, he literally could have walked in to the Dean's office and expressed his concerns, or gone to the professors without reservation for more help or information. But, I would pretty much guarantee you that he hasn't done that. Otherwise, his profile wouldn't be private and he would have joined with the student organizations to better the education and instruction (yes, they have that at Roseman, and yes, I am a part of it). Especially if he was concerned about how to help the future classes to be even more successful, rather than complain to everyone else BUT the people that can do something about it.
And you're both right, if debt is a concern, and you don't want to use scholarships or internships to pay for your schooling, then perhaps Roseman wouldn't be a good fit. But I will promise both of you, the education recieved, the high percentages of students passing the boards the first time, and the over all success and happiness of the students is something to be desired from any institution.
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I have no desire to argue about this with you. I only posted to tell people to seriously consider the many negative posts about Roseman. There is a reason there are so many warning against it, but ultimately everyone is going to go where they want. So good luck in dental school.Dentalstudent77
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Wow.... for such an accomplished man your ignorance is scary. You have been at Roseman for 5 months and you claim to know so much about things you have not experienced at the school. "high percentages of students passing the boards the first time"?!?? Are you kidding me?! You may want to check on this as a huge percentage of people took boards 1 multiple times in past classes. Just shows you are making facts up on the fly and know very little about the school you claim to be an expert on. Maybe you should talk to more people in the D3/D4 class before you start ranting about how great things are. You have no idea what concerns have been expressed to the faculty and deans which have been ignored. You are an ignorant and arrogant D1. You don't know me or my background so I recommend you don't make any assumptions, or it may make you look stupid in the future. You are a drone that was sold on the easy lifestyle and no stress because you obviously couldn't handle a real school where you get what you pay for. The work load would be too much for you. I don't like paying Ferrari prices for a Honda civic education. The incoming class deserves to know what they are getting into in order to make an educated decision. I'm done arguing with you because your opinion has zero relevance.
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Dang, too late to grab popcorn... 
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Hi! I’m not here to defend anyone’s comment, just wanted to provide my own insight because like you guys, I also used SDN to help me decide on which school I wanted to attend. Fortunately, I had 5 interview offers, turned down 2, and got accepted into the other 3. I chose Roseman because their curriculum appealed to me the most (block schedule and 4 day weekend IF you pass the assessment). I was not a dental assistant nor a dental hygienist and got accepted right out of college (no gap year). This school is not easy y’all. I stay up way pass midnight almost all the time when studying for our asssessments. What @dental77 said about the professors giving you the answers the day before is just not true. I work extremely hard to pass. I get the results I want because I put in the time. Kudos to @vball because I can’t imagine doing dental school with kids. It may seem like it’s easier for him because again, HE HAS HAD 19 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. I have 1.
I’m not on a scholarship, everything is from student loans or out of pocket. But I understood this before I made the decision to come here. I can HONESTLY say I haven’t met anyone at this school that sounds as miserable as @dental77 does. I don’t feel like my education or clinic experience is being compromised at all.
Students start sim clinic probably week 2 of their first year and start assisting in the actual clinic probably within the first month of dental school. Not many schools can say this. My friends from other school didn’t step into sim until their D2 year.
Again, I’m not here to persuade you to come here. But I’m saying take what @dental77 said with a grain of salt because dental school is what you make of it.
I’m not on a scholarship, everything is from student loans or out of pocket. But I understood this before I made the decision to come here. I can HONESTLY say I haven’t met anyone at this school that sounds as miserable as @dental77 does. I don’t feel like my education or clinic experience is being compromised at all.
Students start sim clinic probably week 2 of their first year and start assisting in the actual clinic probably within the first month of dental school. Not many schools can say this. My friends from other school didn’t step into sim until their D2 year.
Again, I’m not here to persuade you to come here. But I’m saying take what @dental77 said with a grain of salt because dental school is what you make of it.
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Trust me. I'm anything but naive. But I'm also not going to try and convince people that a school that I attend is stupid and miserable while I myself continue to go there and be unhappy. That would just make me an idiot. I would have made a better decision and left where I wasn't happy to be somewhere where I would be. While you may be a D3 and have more time in dental school, you lack the real experiences of working in the field to know what it's like.
And while I may appear ignorant or arrogant, I'm really anything but. However, I am solid in my decision to attend Roseman, and very happy about it. I can't tell you the countless new dentists (right out of school) that were afraid to make a clinical decision because they had only been in clinic for 1 year in school, and had to have someone approve their decisions. I worked with several new graduates that only did 1 crown prep in school, did 1 root canal, and 1 extraction, and a few fillings. And that is far from the experience at Roseman. And I know a LOT of D3 and D4 students that would attest to what I'm saying. In fact, several of your colleagues share similar experiences to mine. They're happy.
Again, your jaded perspective isn't shared by a large number of students at the school. But trying to convince people that they're making the wrong decision isn't a good thing to do. Instead of flooding their new class page with your bad attitude and single perspective, perhaps it would have been better to not attend Roseman and found a school that fits your style.
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Hello!
I'm not writing to aggravate anyone on this thread but I genuinely wanted to let those who are considering Roseman to not be swayed by one person's miserable experience at Roseman.
I have a bachelors and a masters from top schools in the nation (with very traditional curriculums) and yet I chose Roseman for dental school because I believed in their curriculum. As a future dentist I wanted to be a good clinician and thus far, Roseman has delivered by letting students get an early start in Sim. I have friends who are attending dental schools with a more traditional curriculum and they are not only super stressed out but plan to go on residency programs because they don't feel comfortable in the clinic. Also, aren't we all in the dental field because we want to be innovators and be in the forefront of technology? As future dentists we will be working with so many new gadgets and innovations. So, why not start at Roseman? At Roseman we are taught with the most up to date equipment in clinic and maybe that is why our tuition is comparable to a Ferrari.
Our assessments are NOT spoonfed, and I genuinely study hard to make sure I pass with a 90%+ score. Being able to pass every assessment the first time is NOT an easy task and maybe some who don't pass every exam may be full of resentment and feel that the school has not prepared them enough. But I'd rather see scores in the 90% range than seeing 65% and still be considered a pass.
Yes, Roseman is a fairly new school and it has its flaws. But what school doesn't? At least Roseman is willing to fix their flaws and honor students' opinions (there's also a clear difference between constructive criticism and complaints). Also, ultimately when I decided to attend Roseman, I had a friend (who is a Roseman alumn) who shared his positive experience at Roseman and beyond. Wouldn't you want to attend a dental school that will ultimately still help you get a job as a dentist than just grind you through dental school and have you compete amongst your colleagues to get a job after graduation? Honestly, dental school experience is what you make out of and what's more important is what happens after graduation. Thus far, I know Roseman does care about its students and helps them really become the BEST dentist they can be.
I'm not writing to aggravate anyone on this thread but I genuinely wanted to let those who are considering Roseman to not be swayed by one person's miserable experience at Roseman.
I have a bachelors and a masters from top schools in the nation (with very traditional curriculums) and yet I chose Roseman for dental school because I believed in their curriculum. As a future dentist I wanted to be a good clinician and thus far, Roseman has delivered by letting students get an early start in Sim. I have friends who are attending dental schools with a more traditional curriculum and they are not only super stressed out but plan to go on residency programs because they don't feel comfortable in the clinic. Also, aren't we all in the dental field because we want to be innovators and be in the forefront of technology? As future dentists we will be working with so many new gadgets and innovations. So, why not start at Roseman? At Roseman we are taught with the most up to date equipment in clinic and maybe that is why our tuition is comparable to a Ferrari.
Our assessments are NOT spoonfed, and I genuinely study hard to make sure I pass with a 90%+ score. Being able to pass every assessment the first time is NOT an easy task and maybe some who don't pass every exam may be full of resentment and feel that the school has not prepared them enough. But I'd rather see scores in the 90% range than seeing 65% and still be considered a pass.
Yes, Roseman is a fairly new school and it has its flaws. But what school doesn't? At least Roseman is willing to fix their flaws and honor students' opinions (there's also a clear difference between constructive criticism and complaints). Also, ultimately when I decided to attend Roseman, I had a friend (who is a Roseman alumn) who shared his positive experience at Roseman and beyond. Wouldn't you want to attend a dental school that will ultimately still help you get a job as a dentist than just grind you through dental school and have you compete amongst your colleagues to get a job after graduation? Honestly, dental school experience is what you make out of and what's more important is what happens after graduation. Thus far, I know Roseman does care about its students and helps them really become the BEST dentist they can be.
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I'm sorry...but just out of curiosity, why did you end up coming to Roseman?
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To those of you who have interviewed at Roseman, you are aware that one of the first topics discussed by Dr. Harman is that Roseman is not for everyone. This played an important role in my decision to attend. I had the option of attending a school that has been around for over 100 years, but they also refuse to accept change. Roseman's curriculum is ever-evolving, in fact they are one of the only dental schools that I know of that have changed their curriculum to prepare better for the new integrated boards, of which my class will be the first to take at the end of our third year. This has given us the opportunity to work in the sim clinic almost from day 1, I have already noticed an increase in my hand skills over the past 6 months.
I am one of those students that did not choose Roseman for the lifestyle, in fact my fiance is states away and visits occasionally because I know how hard I need to work. I have enjoyed many of the 3 day weekends awarded to us after passing an exam, but I have also spent weeks at a time studying to make sure that happens. I enjoy the block schedule because it correlates well with my learning style and I can spend my free weekend preparing for the next block.
If you are considering Roseman (or any other dental school for that matter), I believe it is imperative to get feedback from multiple current students. I have many friends at dental schools across the country and there is something to be desired at every single one of them. No matter what school to decide there are things you wish you could change or improve; there are some things I don't love about Roseman but I still know that I made the right decision for me.
This is not the first time someone has posted negatively about a dental school, and it won't be the last. I would be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about the school or my experience!
I am one of those students that did not choose Roseman for the lifestyle, in fact my fiance is states away and visits occasionally because I know how hard I need to work. I have enjoyed many of the 3 day weekends awarded to us after passing an exam, but I have also spent weeks at a time studying to make sure that happens. I enjoy the block schedule because it correlates well with my learning style and I can spend my free weekend preparing for the next block.
If you are considering Roseman (or any other dental school for that matter), I believe it is imperative to get feedback from multiple current students. I have many friends at dental schools across the country and there is something to be desired at every single one of them. No matter what school to decide there are things you wish you could change or improve; there are some things I don't love about Roseman but I still know that I made the right decision for me.
This is not the first time someone has posted negatively about a dental school, and it won't be the last. I would be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about the school or my experience!
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Again options from all D1s. I agree anybody considering going to this school should seek the opinion of as many students as possible. Not a select few D1s that are drinking the Roseman koolaid. If you have to study hard for tests here you don’t know what hard is...
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I don't have a horse in this race but during my interview at Roseman this cycle the student the school allowed us to have a sit down with behind closed doors literally told us that if given the choice between Roseman and any of our state schools we should choose our state schools with our eyes closed. Kind of a scary moment after the faculty spent the previous hours raving about how Roseman should be our #1 choice.
As a current student at Roseman, I understand the contention that is currently in place. However, I would like to add my two cents. From what I understand, Roseman's curriculum is designed around only knowing what you need to know to pass the Boards and Dental Exams for licensure. In addition, the school is gearing the C/O 2022 for the INBDE (Integrated National Board Dental Exam) which is replacing Boards part 1 and 2.
Personally, I appreciate the no-nonsense approach in regards to material at Roseman. The dental students are not enrolled in the same courses as medical students as that isn't what our boards will be based on. Therefore, the students aren't required to know some of the biological sciences as in depth as medical students because we will not be dealing with it in practice or on the boards and licensure exams. I'm sure everyone here can agree that we have forgotten a large amount of the information we were tested on in undergrad and graduate school. It would seem that the purpose of learning only what we need is based on that fact.
Ultimately, making courses more difficult because it streamlines courses across disciplines isn't what is important. It is also unimportant to make courses more difficult for the sake of prestige and keeping up with the med students. What is important is being able to pass boards and the licensure exam. Every new graduate comes out slower and less prepared than a dentist one year out of school. This is proven by offering postdoctoral programs such as the AEGD that offers experience to students to increase their speed and competence in procedures.
At the end of the day, you should pick the dental school that is best for you by taking into account: 1) cost; 2) curriculum; and 3) ethos. For those that are currently at Roseman and are dissatisfied with the education, there are avenues to address your issues. Unfortunately, the only issue that cannot be addressed is the cost.
Personally, I appreciate the no-nonsense approach in regards to material at Roseman. The dental students are not enrolled in the same courses as medical students as that isn't what our boards will be based on. Therefore, the students aren't required to know some of the biological sciences as in depth as medical students because we will not be dealing with it in practice or on the boards and licensure exams. I'm sure everyone here can agree that we have forgotten a large amount of the information we were tested on in undergrad and graduate school. It would seem that the purpose of learning only what we need is based on that fact.
Ultimately, making courses more difficult because it streamlines courses across disciplines isn't what is important. It is also unimportant to make courses more difficult for the sake of prestige and keeping up with the med students. What is important is being able to pass boards and the licensure exam. Every new graduate comes out slower and less prepared than a dentist one year out of school. This is proven by offering postdoctoral programs such as the AEGD that offers experience to students to increase their speed and competence in procedures.
At the end of the day, you should pick the dental school that is best for you by taking into account: 1) cost; 2) curriculum; and 3) ethos. For those that are currently at Roseman and are dissatisfied with the education, there are avenues to address your issues. Unfortunately, the only issue that cannot be addressed is the cost.
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Saw some folks interviewing today and it made me think to check out the ol SDN. I'm a D4 at Roseman and I'd like to share my insights on the school.
Cons:
- EXPENSIVE! It's getting ridiculous! But the reality is Roseman is probably not even in the top 10 most expensive schools, especially when you take into account that it's a fairly affordable area to live in.
- Constant change: they are always trying new ways to do things, new scheduling methods, meetings, materials, teaching methods - you have to be adaptable and roll with the punches. I'm pretty easy going but there are definitely days where I feel like the whole place is a "crap" show
Neutral:
-They teach the "minimum": yes I'd say there is some truth in that statement. For me, Roseman was a very welcome and comfortable step down in difficulty from my undergrad. I went from studying 20 hours a week just for ochem to studying about 10-15 hours a week for all of my classes at Roseman. Some people hardly had to study to pass, others spent many late nights studying and struggled to ever pass a test the first time.
- You will not be spoon fed clinical opportunities: I feel like I will be leaving school with the skills to do the basics (premolar and anterior endo, crown and Bridge, simple extractions, restorations) if you want experience beyond the basics (surgical extractions, molar endo, implants, and more than just a handful of crowns, RPDs, Complete dentures) the opportunities are certainly available but you will have to work for them. I have had the opportunity to do all of the above procedures.
Pros:
- Excellent work/life balance: a big reason I got into dentistry so I could make a good living and still have a life outside of the office. Yeah Roseman is probably easier than some other schools, but it allows for me to do things like go to the gym every day, ski on the weekends, sleep, spend time with my wife, travel, apply for residency... And on top of that ...
- Boards were pretty breezy: Roseman teaches to the boards. I studied for NBDE1 about 1/4 as much as I studied for the DAT. I studied for NBDE2 (and CDCA DSE) less than 1/8 as much as I did for the DAT. I comfortably passed both on the first attempt. I feel like I'm pretty average as far as academics go (I only got a B in ochem even putting 20 hrs a week).
Overall dental school has been a positive experience, though very pricey. Yes I'm probably leaving a bit less experienced than people from other schools, but I also know I'm ahead of other friends who attended harder schools. Friends that have graduated have told me that they accomplished as much in 3 months of general practice as they did in 2 years of dental school (not just Roseman grads) soooo how much does it matter if I get 10 crowns or 50 crowns in dental school? Just some perspective.
I feel that dentistry in general is arguably becoming "dumbed down" as far as medical knowledge base goes. But to be honest I don't remember much from my undergraduate. If you don't use it you lose it. Do you need to be able to name 10 different gram positive bacteria to be a great dentist? Probably not. I know a general dentist and endodontist who can't draw an ether group and they are TAKING HOME $700k and $1.6M respectively.
PS I wrote this at the gym, which I have time for even though I was practicing for clinical boards for hours after clinic was over today
Cons:
- EXPENSIVE! It's getting ridiculous! But the reality is Roseman is probably not even in the top 10 most expensive schools, especially when you take into account that it's a fairly affordable area to live in.
- Constant change: they are always trying new ways to do things, new scheduling methods, meetings, materials, teaching methods - you have to be adaptable and roll with the punches. I'm pretty easy going but there are definitely days where I feel like the whole place is a "crap" show
Neutral:
-They teach the "minimum": yes I'd say there is some truth in that statement. For me, Roseman was a very welcome and comfortable step down in difficulty from my undergrad. I went from studying 20 hours a week just for ochem to studying about 10-15 hours a week for all of my classes at Roseman. Some people hardly had to study to pass, others spent many late nights studying and struggled to ever pass a test the first time.
- You will not be spoon fed clinical opportunities: I feel like I will be leaving school with the skills to do the basics (premolar and anterior endo, crown and Bridge, simple extractions, restorations) if you want experience beyond the basics (surgical extractions, molar endo, implants, and more than just a handful of crowns, RPDs, Complete dentures) the opportunities are certainly available but you will have to work for them. I have had the opportunity to do all of the above procedures.
Pros:
- Excellent work/life balance: a big reason I got into dentistry so I could make a good living and still have a life outside of the office. Yeah Roseman is probably easier than some other schools, but it allows for me to do things like go to the gym every day, ski on the weekends, sleep, spend time with my wife, travel, apply for residency... And on top of that ...
- Boards were pretty breezy: Roseman teaches to the boards. I studied for NBDE1 about 1/4 as much as I studied for the DAT. I studied for NBDE2 (and CDCA DSE) less than 1/8 as much as I did for the DAT. I comfortably passed both on the first attempt. I feel like I'm pretty average as far as academics go (I only got a B in ochem even putting 20 hrs a week).
Overall dental school has been a positive experience, though very pricey. Yes I'm probably leaving a bit less experienced than people from other schools, but I also know I'm ahead of other friends who attended harder schools. Friends that have graduated have told me that they accomplished as much in 3 months of general practice as they did in 2 years of dental school (not just Roseman grads) soooo how much does it matter if I get 10 crowns or 50 crowns in dental school? Just some perspective.
I feel that dentistry in general is arguably becoming "dumbed down" as far as medical knowledge base goes. But to be honest I don't remember much from my undergraduate. If you don't use it you lose it. Do you need to be able to name 10 different gram positive bacteria to be a great dentist? Probably not. I know a general dentist and endodontist who can't draw an ether group and they are TAKING HOME $700k and $1.6M respectively.
PS I wrote this at the gym, which I have time for even though I was practicing for clinical boards for hours after clinic was over today
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Hello All!
As of Jan 15, Roseman is reviewing my file.
Is this a good sign? Will I get an interview ?
I scored an 18 on my DAT & have a 3.72 GPA.
I have over 350 job shadowing hours and over 200 community service hours.
I applied in August.
As of Jan 15, Roseman is reviewing my file.
Is this a good sign? Will I get an interview ?
I scored an 18 on my DAT & have a 3.72 GPA.
I have over 350 job shadowing hours and over 200 community service hours.
I applied in August.
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Fyi, I was accepted off the waitlist in june so dont give up hope!
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I am on the same boat! I think we may get a soft rejection? I heard from some students there that they will stop interviews in Feb and that most of the feb interview spots have been taken
Really sucks cause I went to their SIM course last year and was hoping to get at least an interview invite this year.I heard as of last week that intervoew invites would be sent out this week, keep your head upI am on the same boat! I think we may get a soft rejection? I heard from some students there that they will stop interviews in Feb and that most of the feb interview spots have been taken
Really?? Congrats! May I ask you when you got your under review email from them?
My app file was under review January 15th!
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