OT: Bin Laden is DEAD!!

[flyhi]

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An evil man has finally seen his maker.

 

[Tator17]

I was falling asleep. Now I'm wide awake. Wow... just... wow.

 

[twelvetigers]

My facebook is just flooded. It's a bit disconcerting having so many people celebrating a death, but I do understand it. Hm.

I hope this doesn't spell out bad news (retaliation or smth) for our troops, that is all. Guess we shall see!

 

[flyhi]

It could happen, but he is the #1 terrorist and had to go. Him being alive is much worse than being dead. He has murdered thousands.

 

[Armymutt25A]

I don't think it's going to be a game changer. Symbolic victory, for sure, but we've just cut off one head of the hydra. Maybe less nut jobs will be inspired. I'm kind of interested to see the diplomatic fallout with Pakistan, considering they kept saying he wasn't in their country.

 

[flyhi]

Obama is addressing the country right now....if you want to tune in

 

[Tator17]

I'm kind of interested to see the diplomatic fallout with Pakistan, considering they kept saying he wasn't in their country.

This is a great point. Thanks for mentioning this. I would be interested to see this as well.

 

[Dsmoody23]

Sweet. 10 years of dropping bombs on Arabs, 6000 dead Americans, and a bankrupt country was totally worth it. We killed an old man who lived in a cave.

Terrorism is over now, right?

 

[EllieGirl89]

The status quo has shifted. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Kaustikos]

Sweet. 10 years of dropping bombs on Arabs, 6000 dead Americans, and a bankrupt country was totally worth it. We killed an old man who lived in a cave.

Terrorism is over now, right?

Yeah, cause they're not gonna have someone else take over

 

[Graduatedly]

Yeah, cause they're not gonna have someone else take over

I was just watching Star Wars Ep. 1 today (my first time exposed to the series) and first thing that came to my mind when I saw the news was "Padawan".

 

[Dsmoody23]

Yeah, cause they're not gonna have someone else take over

Exactly. And we just killed the patron saint of fundamental Islam.

They're going to be thrilled about that.

 

[bbeventer]

When I clicked on this thread I thought it was going to be a pun on something. Boy not having cable really keeps me out of the loop.

 

[flyhi]

It could happen, but he is the #1 terrorist and had to go. Him being alive is much worse than being dead. He has murdered thousands.

Exactly. And we just killed the patron saint of fundamental Islam.

They're going to be thrilled about that.

And...your point? A man that has crippled our country and economy by his terrorist ways...and you are scared ?

Obviously, you don't know of anyone who was killed, or lost a loved one in 9-11, or you may be singing a different tune.

The moment our country doesn't fight terrorism 24/7, is when something catastrophic happens again. We must remain vigilant. Of course killing Bin Laden doesn't 'solve' terrorism, but we must continue to make these statements and fight for our freedom.

Try being a quarter mill in debt from your vet education and not being able to find a job ANYWHERE because some bastard has just executed a mastermind terrorist act on your country. I'd be curious to see how you felt then.

 

[psilovethomas]

And...your point? A man that has crippled our country and economy by his terrorist ways...and you are scared ?

Obviously, you don't know of anyone who was killed, or lost a loved one in 9-11, or you may be singing a different tune.

The moment our country doesn't fight terrorism 24/7, is when something catastrophic happens again. We must remain vigilant. Of course killing Bin Laden doesn't 'solve' terrorism, but we must continue to make these statements and fight for our freedom.

Try being a quarter mill in debt from your vet education and not being able to find a job ANYWHERE because some bastard has just executed a mastermind terrorist act on your country. I'd be curious to see how you felt then.

👍 Keep the sarcasm out of this thread, Dsmoody. I just don't think it is appropriate..
On the other hand, as a sister and sister-in-law of two soldiers who fought in the war against terrorism and a daughter of a retired military officer who continues to fight terrorism everyday through the development of new technologies, I must say that this is a pretty significant moment not only for this country, but for my family and others who are in a similar situation, and especially for those who have either lost a friend or family member in service or as a victim of an attack.

 

[cry]

DSmoody23,
Your the worst and most dangerous kind of american. I can imagine you living in the 1940's saying the same thing about hilter.

 

[LetItSnow]

DSmoody23,
Your the worst and most dangerous kind of american. I can imagine you living in the 1940's saying the same thing about hilter.

(Seriously, cry, could you cut the hyperbole down a little bit? I mean, really... the "worst and most dangerous kind of American"? 😏)

 

[cry]

Absolutely, we got our very own hanoi jane.

 

[Dsmoody23]

I think I'll roll out the sarcasm in this thread, and in any other thread I see fit.

Having family in the military doesn't make your point of view sacrosanct, any more than my military service makes my opinion any more valid than yours.

I think it's incredibly discouraging and scary to watch ordinary Americans cheer for a dead body.

If killing Arabs was an antidote to terrorism, I think its safe to say that **** would be cured by now.

And if your only response to that sentiment is some knee-jerk patriotism and ridiculous 4th of July vocabulary, I feel sorry for you.

A reasoned difference of opinion is one of the things we value over here.

 

[cry]

you cant see the forest through the trees, typical

 

[withoutane]

I think that humor often (if not always), reveals our greatest fears and insecurities - things that are important to reflect on in times like this.

I also think that Dsmoody is pretty darn funny. I often find myself audibly laughing at his comments - especially those in the C25k thread.

 

[Armymutt25A]

Killing Bin Laden merely represents a milestone. It's like tagging the biggest buck in the forest. Doesn't stop all the other deer from running in front of cars. Killing Al Zarqawi didn't stop AQI, and killing Bin Laden won't stop AQ. I was part of the capture of several senior former regime loyalists in '03 and that didn't stop the RPGs from being fired at our home. Sad as it is, the only way to stop these people is to bomb them, but no one has the stomach to do it these days. We want to drop bombs in areas away from anyone who might get hurt and not be the target. WWII didn't last 10 years because we answered Germany and Japan with like force. You don't win by merely killing off soldiers. Unless you destroy the base, new soldiers will be produced to fill the ranks. There's an old saying - amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics. These fights are being managed by amateurs - politicians and civilians who don't have the resolve to do what is needed. Politicians who are too focused on getting re-elected and civilians who think war at its worst should be like the opening of Saving Private Ryan. My fear is that some politician will take credit for this event and use the hub bub from easily fooled Americans to get re-elected, when in reality they were against going after Bin Laden from the outset.

 

[Dsmoody23]

you cant see the forest through the trees, typical

I don't think that means what you think it means.

 

[Tator17]

I don't think that means what you think it means.

👍 Nice Princess Bride reference. (whether accidental or intentional.)

*returns to lurker status*

 

[katryn]

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Inconceivable!

To others, sorry, I couldn't help myself.

I can't say I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm also realistic enough to know that terrorism doesn't start or stop because of one man. And in the end, he was still a person, so there is no need for rejoicing in the streets.

 

[seansie]

Not sure i see any relevance to a veterinary forum.

Dsmoody,
to be fair he was living in a mansion, not a cave.

 

[thaowey]

I think I'll roll out the sarcasm in this thread, and in any other thread I see fit.

Having family in the military doesn't make your point of view sacrosanct, any more than my military service makes my opinion any more valid than yours.

I think it's incredibly discouraging and scary to watch ordinary Americans cheer for a dead body.

If killing Arabs was an antidote to terrorism, I think its safe to say that **** would be cured by now.

And if your only response to that sentiment is some knee-jerk patriotism and ridiculous 4th of July vocabulary, I feel sorry for you.

A reasoned difference of opinion is one of the things we value over here.

yo, like for reals, what is your problem?!

this is a truly momentous day in not only American history, but also around the world. so much negativity. don't you have a hint of celebratory emotion in regards to THE WORLD's #1 TERRORIST being DEAD!!

and YES! we WILL celebrate over his dead body! you see my friend, it's not just anyyy dead body, okkk, it is THE dead body of the one that caused many other dead bodies! how is this "discouraging" and "scary" when what Osama did was even more discouraging and scary?

ok. i'm done.

time to wear my red white and blue and join the rest of the world and celebrate! 😀

 

[Dsmoody23]

yo, like for reals, what is your problem?!

this is a truly momentous day in not only American history, but also around the world. so much negativity. don't you have a hint of celebratory emotion in regards to THE WORLD's #1 TERRORIST being DEAD!!

and YES! we WILL celebrate over his dead body! you see my friend, it's not just anyyy dead body, okkk, it is THE dead body of the one that caused many other dead bodies! how is this "discouraging" and "scary" when what Osama did was even more discouraging and scary?

ok. i'm done.

time to wear my red white and blue and join the rest of the world and celebrate! 😀

Enjoy the celebration.

Tomorrow the world will be exactly the same.

Fo' reals yo, Armchair Rambo.

 

[KiaKia]

I also think that Dsmoody is pretty darn funny. I often find myself audibly laughing at his comments - especially those in the C25k thread.

ditto.

Also, as someone a step away from not being a "real American", flag-waving, foreigner-related patriotism is sorta scary, since I never know when the topic will turn to ejecting everyone who doesn't speak english at home/forcing everyone to speak english at all times et cetera/banning islamic atheists or whatevs.

ANYWAYS enjoy the new news cycle. 🙂

 

[Alhazred]

DSmoody23,
Your the worst and most dangerous kind of american. I can imagine you living in the 1940's saying the same thing about hilter.

I used to think serial killers or maybe Neo-Nazis were the worst and most dangerous kind of American. Now I know the truth.

It's DSmoody.

🙄

 

[laitmanvet]

It's a bit disconcerting having so many people celebrating a death, but I do understand it. Hm.

I completely agree, it feels awkward to celebrate a death. Even knowing what he planned and did...I guess if he had been found alive a trial would have dragged on forever, and cost a lot of taxpayer money.

I just hope this will raise Obama's approval rating enough to win him a second term.

 

[Tator17]

I just hope this will raise Obama's approval rating enough to win him a second term.

I think it's going to make reelection pretty much a slam dunk. Soft on crime? o rly? W had seven years and couldn't find his a** with three hands and a flashlight; it happened two years into Obama's presidency.

(I know, I know. That's really really oversimplified and the president has little to nothing to do with this... but I'm pretty sure that's how the majority of Americans are going to think.)

 

[Artery]

Yep. The world will still be the same...milestone or not. Terrorism will never cease to exist whether or not one evil person is dead.

 

[Angelus9]

W had seven years and couldn't find his a** with three hands and a flashlight; it happened two years into Obama's presidency.

*snort* Sadly, true.

What Obama did have to do with it is increase the troops in Afghanistan, and therefore our access to Pakistan. Smart move. It's where the troops wanted to be all along - hunting bin Laden, and not off waging war in Iraq. Obama put the focus back on Afghanistan and he got the job done. Well done.

 

[Armymutt25A]

I think it's going to make reelection pretty much a slam dunk. Soft on crime? o rly? W had seven years and couldn't find his a** with three hands and a flashlight; it happened two years into Obama's presidency.

(I know, I know. That's really really oversimplified and the president has little to nothing to do with this... but I'm pretty sure that's how the majority of Americans are going to think.)

Raising the BS flag here. It's like Nixon claiming that HE put a man on the moon. Obama didn't even want to go into Afghanistan - said as much when running for president. Do you have any idea of the amount of work it takes to green light a mission to attack the location of a minor enemy, let alone someone like this? Beyond a reasonable doubt is enough to send someone to the electric chair. To execute an assault, you have to have evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt before the politicians will give the go ahead. To insult the intelligence and military forces who were operating with tied hands for the past several years in beyond belief. To bring it a little closer to home for you, imagine trying to get into vet school, but they keep changing the pre-reqs every few months, and then they don't offer the class you need for 3 years. When the class becomes available, they limit the number of people who can get into it, and you don't make the cut. Once you finally get into the class, they cancel it due to a lack of money. There is no credit due to anyone in Washington DC for this mission, unless you are prepared to give credit for your performance in school to your bank.

 

[PocoCalypsoQH]

The most dangerous kinds of Americans are ones that are not informed (aka those who obtain their information from corporate media). Watch '9/11: Press for Truth' and you will hopefully understand why I am not impressed.

I know bin Laden was a murderer; it's not like I'm sad that he is dead, but I second the other poster who thinks it is weird to cheer about a dead body. When the towers were falling there are numerous eye witnesses who saw a bunch of Israelis cheering as they fell; I'm just saying let's take the moral highground here and not cheer and celebrate the death of a fellow human being.

Also, DSMoody is just tellin' it like it is...don't be haters.

 

[Tator17]

Raising the BS flag here. It's like Nixon claiming that HE put a man on the moon. Obama didn't even want to go into Afghanistan - said as much when running for president. Do you have any idea of the amount of work it takes to green light a mission to attack the location of a minor enemy, let alone someone like this? Beyond a reasonable doubt is enough to send someone to the electric chair. To execute an assault, you have to have evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt before the politicians will give the go ahead. To insult the intelligence and military forces who were operating with tied hands for the past several years in beyond belief.

Armymutt - I'm sorry if I offended you. I know that what you state above is true, and that is why I added this statement to my original post "(I know, I know. That's really really oversimplified and the president has little to nothing to do with this... but I'm pretty sure that's how the majority of Americans are going to think.)"

 

[Armymutt25A]

The majority of Americans are complete *****s. Maybe it's just laziness. They take single source information as gospel and do not do the leg work to check it out. The sad thing is that these people vote and cause hell for the rest of us who take the time to check out the raw data. I'm extremely surprised at the number of scientific types who do this. People who will spend three years trying to find out if a specific gene actually does what it is thought to do, won't take an hour or so to do some googling and verify that the press is telling the complete truth. Everything said in Congress is a matter of public record and is available. I guess it's a result of the nanny state we are living in. Everyone wants everything given to them and will gladly surrender power to those who promise it without any prior proof of the ability to back it up. I wouldn't give my money to an unproven stock broker.

 

[libster06]

What Obama did have to do with it is increase the troops in Afghanistan, and therefore our access to Pakistan. Smart move. It's where the troops wanted to be all along - hunting bin Laden, and not off waging war in Iraq. Obama put the focus back on Afghanistan and he got the job done. Well done.

Yes, well done Obama. Congratulations on doing the EXACT thing he campaigned against before the election. But guess what? He got in office and realized that wasn't going to be an option.


Also, when did everyone join the peace corps?? I'm not celebrating death and I shudder to think about what the future holds with all of this news but the Ghandi killjoys crack me up. I'm sure all the American deaths brought no sick joy whatsoever to the Islamic radicals. Get over it.

 

[Armymutt25A]

Yes, well done Obama. Congratulations on doing the EXACT thing he campaigned against before the election. But guess what? He got in office and realized that wasn't going to be an option.


Also, when did everyone join the peace corps?? I'm not celebrating death and I shudder to think about what the future holds with all of this news but the Ghandi killjoys crack me up. I'm sure all the American deaths brought no sick joy whatsoever to the Islamic radicals. Get over it.

Damn, where's my "Arr!" button? I have my Facebook in English (Pirate). Makes life more fun. I'll celebrate when the DHS isn't making me take my shoes off to get on an airplane.

 

[kas9ey]

No one is celebrating death, guys. They're celebrating the elimination of a very powerful and influential war lord/terrorist/ring leader, whatever you want to call him. He put a target on civilians and got the target turned on him. If I may quote Ricky Bobby, "These colors don't run!"

And for all of you that think Obama found him, you are sadly mistaken because he wasn't in Pakistan last week. Obama didn't even want to be in Afghanistan in the first place. It's not a victory for him or any other singular person. Also, intelligence has been circulating for years that he was in Pakistan. It takes time to get diplomatic allowance, especially with Pakistan. Last I heard, and the story is still fluid, Pakistani officials knew of and allowed the operation.

 

[that redhead]

I just hope this will raise Obama's approval rating enough to win him a second term.

My boyfriend and I were joking around: "I wonder how long he's been dead...Obama waits until now to announce it to help his ratings!" Please read: joke! (And I'll leave my political opinions out of this).

Also, I think DsMoody's point was that killing their leader could also have the opposite of the desire effect. Not that they shouldn't have killed him, of course, but it also gives them the chance to make him a martyr and recruit new people. I'm sorry if considering all angles of something is unpatriotic but as a more practical person it's something I think of when I think about the situation. I'm the most happy about the fact that maybe the families/loved ones of those who were killed as a result of 9/11, etc might find some sort of closure from his death.

 

[flyhi]

The majority of Americans are complete *****s. Maybe it's just laziness. They take single source information as gospel and do not do the leg work to check it out. The sad thing is that these people vote and cause hell for the rest of us who take the time to check out the raw data. I'm extremely surprised at the number of scientific types who do this. People who will spend three years trying to find out if a specific gene actually does what it is thought to do, won't take an hour or so to do some googling and verify that the press is telling the complete truth. Everything said in Congress is a matter of public record and is available. I guess it's a result of the nanny state we are living in. Everyone wants everything given to them and will gladly surrender power to those who promise it without any prior proof of the ability to back it up. I wouldn't give my money to an unproven stock broker.

👍👍 thank you

 

[bunnity]

Yes, well done Obama. Congratulations on doing the EXACT thing he campaigned against before the election. But guess what? He got in office and realized that wasn't going to be an option.


Also, when did everyone join the peace corps?? I'm not celebrating death and I shudder to think about what the future holds with all of this news but the Ghandi killjoys crack me up. I'm sure all the American deaths brought no sick joy whatsoever to the Islamic radicals. Get over it.

Personally I don't see how the Islamic radicals' response legitimizes ours. Or why there is only allowed to be one response to this.

 

[libster06]

Personally I don't see how the Islamic radicals' response legitimizes ours. Or why there is only allowed to be one response to this.

Prrrrreeettttyyyy sure I never once said anything about the legitimacy of any killing on either side or that anyone was wrong. No wait, I'm certain I never said that. I said it was funny how many people are all of a sudden peace advocates and taking things out of context. Thank you for proving the out-of-context portion.

 

[Dsmoody23]

Personally I don't see how the Islamic radicals' response legitimizes ours. Or why there is only allowed to be one response to this.

It's a child's mentality. Eye for an eye doesn't work on a preschool playground, let alone in global politics.

Half of the Middle Eastern nations are currently in some form or another of revolt against the old guard Arab leadership.

Imagine if we were actively supporting the 'Arab Spring' movements, instead of wasting our time and resources on two ridiculous wars and a completely fleeting 'Booyah America!" moment.

 

[bunnity]

Prrrrreeettttyyyy sure I never once said anything about the legitimacy of any killing on either side or that anyone was wrong. No wait, I'm certain I never said that.

Actually, you said people with a less than joyous response to Bin Laden's death were wrong about 3 posts ago:

Also, when did everyone join the peace corps?? I'm not celebrating death and I shudder to think about what the future holds with all of this news but the Ghandi killjoys crack me up [...] Get over it.

You said that Islamic radicals were happy when people in the US died:

I'm sure all the American deaths brought no sick joy whatsoever to the Islamic radicals.

I said them being happy that Americans died doesn't make it automatically ok for us to be happy when they die.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

I do find it rather amusing that so many people wholeheartedly take this bit of news for granted (ie "But of course it's true! America ***yeah!!!). But, I'll leave my skepticism about politicians out of it as well, lest I'm deemed an ever worse sort of American 🙄

 

[futurevet3000]

The only thing that I have to say about this is that my coworker declared
"at least OBAMA IS DEAD!"
I am not sure what the previous statement had been to get this reaction, but I gave her a quizzical look and laughed at her until she realized what she was saying.

It's great and all that this has finally happened and is a tangible way for those directly influenced by 9/11 to feel that justice has been served, but do radio stations really need to be playing the National Anthem and God Bless America all... day... long?

Edit: I too find DSMoody to be quite humorous. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it.

 

[libster06]

I said them being happy that Americans died doesn't make it automatically ok for us to be happy when they die.

Duh. I did not say it was ok for us to be happy. I merely wanted to point out that those who are happy/celebratory/jovial/joyous/inseryourownwordhere over the death are not the first people to do so and that many of the people acting so appalled at this behavior shouldn't be so surprised... feel free to have your own opinion.