Dead:
Rae - Agent Dana Scully, M.D. - Town 2x Doctor
Zenge - The Well-Manicured Man - Town Mason
PSV - Marita Covarrubias - Town 1x Diplomat
CG - Melissa Scully - Town Supersaint
Vampy - Deep Throat - Town Covert Informant
Genny - Agent Mulder - Town Cop-Of-All-Trades
Reddeadrobin - Ringo Langly - Town Conspiracy Theorist
Kitzsuna - Melvin Frohike - Town Odd-Night Tracker
Clem - Purity - Alien Redirector
Sovreijn – Bill Mulder - Town Mason
Santy – Alex Krycek – Mafia 1x Deathproof
SAR – John Byers - Vanilla Townie
Interesting that kitz tracked spurs n1 and he did nothing. If we believe that Clem redirected Santy onto himself n1 (a big assumption), then QQ has to be the hit since there was a kill that night
I don't think we can trust Clem to not have lied about either his target or who he redirected to though, even if I think he may have told the truth for the lulz
I was saving this detail in case I lived to today. As SAR said it’s hardly a smoking gun (or whatever the opposite is but for a good thing), but if Clem was telling the truth I’m mechanically clear.
I have other thoughts but I’m making a drink first
If hypothetically I was in a pack with Santy, do you really in any world believe that within one hour of the game opening I would shoot my partner nullifying BOTH our PRs, and leaving us to go 13v2 as goons? And do so in a way that didn't actually gain us ANY cred?
If hypothetically I was in a pack with Santy, do you really in any world believe that within one hour of the game opening I would shoot my partner nullifying BOTH our PRs, and leaving us to go 13v2 as goons? And do so in a way that didn't actually gain us ANY cred?
I will be here until a little after 9, and then have some time tomorrow morning and a TINY bit of time in the afternoon. After 5 it's date night and I am not intending to play--so I would appreciate if you could ask me any questions you have early, please 🙂
But TBH, if you are town, I really think this is straightforward
If hypothetically I was in a pack with Santy, do you really in any world believe that within one hour of the game opening I would shoot my partner nullifying BOTH our PRs, and leaving us to go 13v2 as goons? And do so in a way that didn't actually gain us ANY cred?
Because I received a message about it failing in my role PM. After the thread moved on for about an hour and a half, I said something laughing about how everyone just immediately assumed it was a bit. Then the mods messaged saying they were going to discuss whether or not it should be called out in thread given that it failed. And then they decided to call it out.
Can you explain to me why I should have sus'd Santy specifically because of the PSV flip?
Because I received a message about it failing in my role PM. After the thread moved on for about an hour and a half, I said something laughing about how everyone just immediately assumed it was a bit. Then the mods messaged saying they were going to discuss whether or not it should be called out in thread given that it failed. And then they decided to call it out.
I don't think anyone expected me to use my vig shot an hour into the game, let alone that I would use it in a manner that would fail. I can tell you who was and was not around, if that would help you understand why there was uncertainty over how to react.
I don't think anyone expected me to use my vig shot an hour into the game, let alone that I would use it in a manner that would fail. I can tell you who was and was not around, if that would help you understand why there was uncertainty over how to react.
I guess because I commented on it. But regardless, I wouldn't lie about that--game breaking around moderator communication isn't a line I'd cross, and not one I'd do when they could just confirm I'm lying.
I guess because I commented on it. But regardless, I wouldn't lie about that--game breaking around moderator communication isn't a line I'd cross, and not one I'd do when they could just confirm I'm lying.
I think it's readily apparent that I'm not paired with Santy. But the strongest piece of evidence I would say against QQ is the CG vote. It would make sense that he would stay on to protect QQ when he had already used up his PR.
Sounds good. I'm going to take a break for an hour. Like I said, would really appreciate some sense of where you're leaning on the early end. While I get wanting to give QQ a fair chance, I don't have anything to hide, and I'd like to wrap this up before tomorrow gets crazy for me 🙂
Personally I think you’re very slightly less clear than SAR was. And/or QQ could have hoped I would go back into my tunnel on you. But, I really don’t plan on that
Alright heading to bed. I really will have limited time tomorrow, so @Mrs Queequeg would appreciate if you can leave any questions for me and I’ll try to address when I see them. Same for you AM, though I appreciate our conversation thus far.
Going out to breakfast this morning, then kids haircuts, then I’ll have an hour or so before a kids birthday party with water. Then a gala tonight. I’m gonna do my best to take one last look at QQ this morning then probably gonna vote—I know she has been busy but I am not gonna have time later in the day.
Blerg add take middle child to pediatrician for sore throat to the to do list. QQ’s ISO is up to 4 pages, so it may not be as exhaustive as I’d like but I’ll do what I can.
Alright as I said, QQ’s ISO is 4 pages. Unlike my other ISOs I am reading this from the perspective that she is confirmed mafia, so I’m not muting my confbias here. I’m also not color coding cuz I’m on mobile
D1:
Opens thread with several posts almost exclusively about scI fi and 90s TV that I’m skipping
Then there was a lot of interaction between her, Clem, and me about basketball that I’m also skipping. You can read vibes in there if you want but idk what an interaction between the two of us would tell you at this point. Altogether it’s about a page of the ISO, that in retrospect could be interpreted favorably as someone new to site trying to be friendly, or unfavorably as scum trying to put out good vibes. Also notably, this is a complete departure from v!QQ in Ten where she failed to meet post minimum.
Getting my first ever (?) SDN vote in Yeet RDR
@apoptosis09 @kaydubs @WildZoo
I don't have strong reasons, as I'm new and haven't figured out who anyone is yet, except maybe Clem. I do like ties because I like the drama and they make people move
Mild tinfoil—QQ and Santy may have been inclined to not let me go over early in game, because I would flip vig and the town would realize he had actual death avoidance and draw attention to him.
I hate Day 2 the most, but I genuinely don't know where to start without flavor to latch on to. I do not think it's possible to read guilt before anything's happened, so it's all a blind stab
the only vegetable i did not eat growing up was brussels sprouts. my dad loves veg and it was non-negotiable. had brussels sprouts for the first time in my 20s and they were ****ing great. i've since learned they are a gmo success
side note: i'm not ignoring y'all during the night, but i don't understand how you chat about the game but don't chat about the game. i am real gray on rules in general and would not be able to handle it without getting mod killed
i've been scolded on my lax ass site about saying too much over night and been warned about mu regarding any mention of a game outside of the thread, so i don't know how to approach it. unless we're just talking food
i put a ladybug outside last night, and didn't notice until i got back inside that it flew away .... and onto my other hand. it just landed on my laptop, so now i have a second chance for some good luck
Important game play strategy: Has anyone [on this vet heavy site] every had their pets pick their votes? I've tried this three times with my sister's cats, and she can sniff out scum like no other
One thing I really enjoy about WW, on The Avocado at least, is that math has no place in the game. We can run odds all we want, but the likelihood of a triple tap ends up being very common
good to know, i will research the differences. my parents have had mutiples in their house. i, however, live in a victorian, so nothing quite closes right and i get all sorts
nothing that stood out. i'm a pattern player, i find it easier to see who did what than try to cold read. without any scum lead, i'm having trouble seeing anything
reason for voting for you: your still being alive is sus. there was a lot of chat early day 2 about it and then it went away. genny was especially skeptical
This is interesting. All town have had roles, so it would appear this is role madness game. (my site ((I'm tired of saying this, I feel like the annoying kid)) is atypical from general mafia play and does not use most common vocab, so I don't know if this is the same)
Which would likely mean that Spurs has a role, but it's a passive role. I don't know what the most common passive roles are, for town or wolves or aliens or whatever, nor whether or not wolves have to call their kills overnight.
also, I need to google some of these on MU. I don't think I've ever seen a supersaint or diplomat, and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been outlined here, not that I didn't skim over the rules
my advice for beginners is 'it's always going to be confusing, so it's more that you get comfortable with being confused. and trust your pings. it takes a while to understand them but you're often picking something up. however, sometimes you're picking up on a town role'
kim mulkey has her flaws, but sartorial choices is not one. she is currently wearing a white blazer with the chest panels bedazzled in purple with lsu designs
genny was interested in both of you and rdr's defense of me could be a pocket attempt, but i just like looking at you more?
i'm assuming that cop of all trades means that she definitely had a town check, but the other tools could vary? and given that we had two deaths on night one, i'm guessing that she used her vig shot, which means she wouldn't have been able to town check anyone? unless someone else wants to claim vig
Response to me asking why she is more interested in genny's sus of me than genny's sus of RDR, and then misunderstanding cop of all trades as JOAT it seems
my poe is spurs and rdr
these are the trains today and i'm good with either. spurs surviving is sus - all three day 1 voters are dead and town; and our sole town lead was on rdr on day 2
Response to me saying my only crime is being wrong. Sigh.
Conclusion: This was her most involved day so far. Fairly interactive. Ultimately only had the wagons in POE and only had mech clear player as village reads.
Response to SAR tinfoil about why Santy did not move. I honestly missed that QQ interacted with that post at the time in my prior readthroughs, and this is notable--she felt it was dangerous enough to try and discredit it.
Pediatrician apt done. Getting this out there and will update later
EDIT: Conclusion: Apparently this actually was the end of N3. Some light analysis of reads and the CG vote, including calling SAR's idea about Santy not moving a conspiracy theory.
I will put analysis of future days in a separate post. But @Animal Midwife for your analysis for now.
Alright as I said, QQ’s ISO is 4 pages. Unlike my other ISOs I am reading this from the perspective that she is confirmed mafia, so I’m not muting my confbias here. I’m also not color coding cuz I’m on mobile
D1:
Opens thread with several posts almost exclusively about scI fi and 90s TV that I’m skipping
Then there was a lot of interaction between her, Clem, and me about basketball that I’m also skipping. You can read vibes in there if you want but idk what an interaction between the two of us would tell you at this point. Altogether it’s about a page of the ISO, that in retrospect could be interpreted favorably as someone new to site trying to be friendly, or unfavorably as scum trying to put out good vibes. Also notably, this is a complete departure from v!QQ in Ten where she failed to meet post minimum.
First game related content I can find, this seems to track with this game but doesn’t clear her
First vote for RDR, joining Santy and Clem on that vote, and noting that they like ties. This makes:
Mild tinfoil—QQ and Santy may have been inclined to not let me go over early in game, because I would flip vig and the town would realize he had actual death avoidance and draw attention to him.
Hating D1 and 2
I think this is about vampy explaining where sov is
Conclusion: A bunch of vibesy posts that are not like v!QQ, a vote for questionable reasons on the player Santy is voting for
N1 not present.
D2:
Wolfy pop in at 7:30pm
Wolfy pop in at 8:30pm
Response to kitz asking if QQ is scum
Busy
Vote for CG, because RDR clearing her as not alien. This makes:
Meming
Response to RDR saying busy
Conclusion: Mostly busy then a vote to protect someone saying positive things about her.
N2: absent. May track with later comment about not knowing what is and isn't allowed at night.
D3:
Vote for me, making:
Yum
These track with her not posting during N1/N2
Response to me asking why she's voting me
Response to explanation about night rules from me
Response to kitz defending why RDR
Vibesy posts
Comment on math in WW
Collection of others' (mine, Santy, vampy) reads lists, which Santy reads as towny later
Response to why underline sov (revealed as mason) in reads lists.
Response to AM asking why those lists
Vibes
Saying she didn't learn much from the reads lists
Response to me asking for input on my kitz ISO
Reason for voting me based on it being weird that I'm still alive, and also genny being dead after sussing me
Response to kitz RR and saying I didn't do anything when tracked, and then comment on not knowing some of the other roles.
Comment on Clem's birthday
Comment in response to sov finding me wolfy for saying sov was doing a good job
Confirming for Clem the gamestate is "a lot of dead town"
Vibes, I think?
Response to me asking why she is more interested in genny's sus of me than genny's sus of RDR, and then misunderstanding cop of all trades as JOAT it seems
Responding to AM explaining cop of all trades
Response to me pointing out genny voted for RDR instead of me, then musing it's weird that there is resistance to RDR
Response to me pointing out she's voting for me as the reason I'm in the lead
Age vibes with Clem
Response to SAR's explanation of RDR's role (only soft claimed at that point)
First real reads list that I think I've seen. Me and RDR are only POE (active wagons), only town read being the mech cleared player.
Response to me saying my only crime is being wrong. Sigh.
Conclusion: This was her most involved day so far. Fairly interactive. Ultimately only had the wagons in POE and only had mech clear player as village reads.
N3:
Discussion of movement or lack thereof from CG vote. It seems like she's saying she saw vampy move so there was nothing to be done.
Vote analysis, I just noticed she cleared herself in these lists lol
Scary bomb story
Putting everyone in POE
Response to SAR tinfoil about why Santy did not move. I honestly missed that QQ interacted with that post at the time in my prior readthroughs, and this is notable--she felt it was dangerous enough to try and discredit it.
Talk about flipping reads
Question about lingo
JJJ call out
Pediatrician apt done. Getting this out there and will update later
EDIT: Conclusion: Apparently this actually was the end of N3. Some light analysis of reads and the CG vote, including calling SAR's idea about Santy not moving a conspiracy theory.
I will put analysis of future days in a separate post. But @Animal Midwife for your analysis for now.
I'm gonna log a vote tonight in case I get distract and forget later. Which is probable.
I'll throw one on Animal Midwife. The voices in my head concur and as for evidence - tunneling earlier on makes for good distraction. This is what I remember - I'll iso if I get the time tomorrow. [I am busy in the wolfing hour but should be home before twilight. I have time before that, but the likelihood of a meeting arising or getting stuck in on other last minute details run high]
do we know if this is end game? i keep seeing reference to it, but not seeing anything in the write up. i've played semi blind before, but we do get KOBK (which is generally changed for an acronym to fit the theme)
Response to Santy if QQ self-prez'd, which could in retrospect be seen as Santy highlighting that QQ had not self-pres'd (even though she didn't have any votes left at that point)
Conclusion a vote for AM following my vote for AM and then a ton of questions about her power.
spurs shooting deathproof santy lines up for a vig role, but i once wolfed with someone who shot another wolf with a nerfed gun. shot wolf died on a 12% chance, and the shooting wolf skated to victory
8:56pm, RDR declines self-prez and votes Santy. geez, rae really was a flash wagon
Final, Zenge votes rae, I sheep, and then Santy/kitz follow too for tiebreaking
9:15pm
11:04pm (not captured in actual post, but edited in by me that I voted RDR right after apop updated for the night)
11:34am, CG and Clem get on the board, I move off RDR to divide votes
6:20pm, RDR remains in lead despite claim
8:46pm, there is a LONG period of the vote being stagnant. sov votes CG. kitz makes a "pressure" vote on RDR that isn't reflected here, RDR self-prez's, then kitz rejoins the CG wagon
8:50, QQ joins
8:52 Santy joins
FINAL, vampy hops on at the end ( 🙁 )
8:54pm, kitz and AM on RDR from jump and I vote following my ISO on kitz the prior day
10:18pm, QQ puts me on board followed by SAR
10:02am, sov actually voted me the prior night, and I move from kitz to RDR following thinking about genny's flip (whoops)
7:59pm, a loooooong time of stagnation until SAR flips her vote and RDR self-prez's
FINAL, no further movement in the last hour
10:30pm, AM votes Clem I vote AM
2:20am QQ votes AM
11:57am Clem votes Santy
3:57pm I unyeet AM after Santy, SAR and Clem all push back
6pm SAR votes QQ and I vote SAR after a bunch of pair analysis shenanigans
6:11pm I switch to QQ after SAR says she wouldn't work this hard as wolf
6:18pm Santy votes Clem
7:07pm sov votes me
8:38pm SAR moves to Clem
8:53pm-->FINAL I flip to Clem
D5: in short, AM, SAR and I vote Santy early, Santy votes SAR. And nobody moves. QQ misses the vote.
In summary, I think Santy and QQ are highly paired, and have been since the beginning. QQ has played differently from what we saw of v!QQ in Ten. I am convinced that QQ is mafia. It is too bad that QQ seems to be busy today and isn't giving her perspective, but this is mine.
I would just add the volume of vibes posts being very different from her village game to your list. It isn't hard evidence, and it's a feel-bad to neg someone for being more active, but it really really stood out to me as I was doing the ISO.
I would just add the volume of vibes posts being very different from her village game to your list. It isn't hard evidence, and it's a feel-bad to neg someone for being more active, but it really really stood out to me as I was doing the ISO.
My concern isn't even about the amount of posts in isolation but just how the the content has been weird in relation to Santy and the sharp decrease in activity after he started getting wagoned.
