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caverject, dont play footsies. just say what you want to say. we do not have title IV... title IV is the key card to let the money rain upon the school from the federalies. i live in vegas, pay $31800/yr tutition, and do not work. the max key bank will give is about 49000/yr. which leaves you about 17200. now add a family to feed in there, the fact that my rent is almost 1000/month, and we have other bills. IF medical students can basically get as much money as they need, why cant "we" get the same too?

 

[Caverject]

caverject, dont play footsies. just say what you want to say. we do not have title IV... title IV is the key card to let the money rain upon the school from the federalies. i live in vegas, pay $31800/yr tutition, and do not work. the max key bank will give is about 49000/yr. which leaves you about 17200. now add a family to feed in there, the fact that my rent is almost 1000/month, and we have other bills. IF medical students can basically get as much money as they need, why cant "we" get the same too?

Okay, I will be clear and direct. It's clear you don't know what Title IV means by your previous post. Perhaps some simple research will help you.

sorry about the delay getting back to you. I go to the Nevada school. Yes, we are accredited. however, no federal money. also, some private lenders will no longer give loans out to students whose schools are not title IV. if you have any information on how i can get more money besides my key bank loan, please do tell (i'll buy ya dinner too)
oh, and just so ya know, school tuition is now $31800 (6% increase from last year)

Title IV has to do with accreditation. period. Obviously, if you are not Title IV, then no federaly funded student loans. Yes, you maybe fully accredited by ACPE, but that doesn't mean jack for student loans. According to Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges, your school is still at applicant status ("provisional license"). If you notice Nevada State College in Henderson is as well. However, they can get around this because they have an agreement with the University of Nevada-Reno to provide oversight until accreditation is approved as an independent candidate. Glad to be of service to you.

 

[group_theory]

To be eligible for Title IV funding (federal money), a school or program must be recognized by a Title-IV approved accrediting agency.

ACPE isn't a title IV agency.

Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education
1952/2001/S2006
Scope of recognition: the accreditation and preaccreditation of professional degree programs in pharmacy leading to the degrees of Baccalaureate in Pharmacy and Doctor of Pharmacy.

Title IV Note: Accreditation by this agency does not enable the entities it accredits to establish eligibility to participate in Title IV programs.

Peter H. Vlasses, Executive Director
20 North Clark Street, Suite 2500
Chicago, Illinois 60602-5109
Tel. (312) 664-3575, Fax (312) 664-46522
E-mail address: [email protected]
Web address: www.acpe-accredit.org

http://www.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg8.html#rx


Now there are some national and specialize agencies that are Title-IV participant so I don't know why ACPE isn't one of them (I guess they never applied to DoE for Title-IV status). For example, for Osteopathic Medicine, AOA-accredited schools are eligible for Title-IV funding (although most if not all DO schools also have regional accreditation).

Anyway, with the new ACPE rule that a school must be regionally accredited, I guess there is no need for ACPE to get Title-IV funding status.

 

[BMBiology]

Is H.A. Hasan the new dean? On its website, it states he's the dean but the biography describes him as an assistant dean of curriculum? Why is a former high school special education teacher, who never had any experience in pharmacy, the assistant dean of curriculum?

That is a nice suit he's wearing. I wonder where did he get the money to buy it.

EDIT: they just added the word "Interm". They do read this website afterall. Hi everyone!

 

[DownonthePharm]

Looks like he's the interm dean. So he may or may not actually become the next dean. Probably not if they are advertising the position. I agree with you that his background is not very pharmacy school-ish. Not even that much in sciences. 😕

 

[Caverject]

Is that a gold tooth cap I see?

 

[lava2]

Is H.A. Hasan the new dean? On its website, it states he's the dean but the biography describes him as an assistant dean of curriculum? Why is a former high school special education teacher, who never had any experience in pharmacy, the assistant dean of curriculum?

That is a nice suit he's wearing. I wonder where did he get the money to buy it.

EDIT: they just added the word "Interm". They do read this website afterall. Hi everyone!

Since he is the Dean now, does this mean that they actually submit to ACPE for candidate status?
JUst goes to show who's running the show(Obviously non-pharmacist,non-health professionals, and no one who's even taken core science courses).

 

[Steady-State]

check out who they hired

HICP Hires New Assistant Professor of Therapeutics
Please join me in welcoming new Faculty Member - Dr. Wong

Dr. Wong received his Pharm.D. degree from the University of Washington with a specialty in Geriatric Pharmacy Practice. There he served as Rho Chi President and secured the Chapter Achievement Award, given to the most accomplished chapter in the nation. Throughout his internship and externships at the University of Washington Medical Center, Harborview, and Swedish/Providence in Seattle, and his residency at The Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, he has been impressed by the dedication of clinical pharmacists and physicians working collaboratively to provide quality care for patients. As he enjoys teaching, he volunteered to teach science lessons to children at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. He also became an instructor at the University of Washington's award-winning Office of Minority Affairs Instructional Center, where he taught the sciences to both remedial and honors students.

Dr. Wong has joined the (HICP) where he will be serving as Assistant Professor and helping to develop the Therapeutics curriculum. Dr. Wong joins us on a full time basis on June 13/05 and will be located in the Kapolei Building on the second floor. Stop by and introduce yourself to him at that time.

Scott H. Banks, MBA, CITP, CHRP
Chief Financial Officer
Pacific Educational Services

So when are they going to start putting their therapeutics curriculum together?

 

[Caverject]

check out who they hired

HICP Hires New Assistant Professor of Therapeutics
Please join me in welcoming new Faculty Member - Dr. Wong

Dr. Wong received his Pharm.D. degree from the University of Washington with a specialty in Geriatric Pharmacy Practice. There he served as Rho Chi President and secured the Chapter Achievement Award, given to the most accomplished chapter in the nation. Throughout his internship and externships at the University of Washington Medical Center, Harborview, and Swedish/Providence in Seattle, and his residency at The Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, he has been impressed by the dedication of clinical pharmacists and physicians working collaboratively to provide quality care for patients. As he enjoys teaching, he volunteered to teach science lessons to children at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. He also became an instructor at the University of Washington's award-winning Office of Minority Affairs Instructional Center, where he taught the sciences to both remedial and honors students.

Dr. Wong has joined the (HICP) where he will be serving as Assistant Professor and helping to develop the Therapeutics curriculum. Dr. Wong joins us on a full time basis on June 13/05 and will be located in the Kapolei Building on the second floor. Stop by and introduce yourself to him at that time.

Scott H. Banks, MBA, CITP, CHRP
Chief Financial Officer
Pacific Educational Services

So when are they going to start putting their therapeutics curriculum together?

Sounds impressive but he is still a rookie. Unless you have god-given talent, you need to learn how to teach therapeutics which is easily the hardest and most important part of any program.

 

[crying moo]

Is that a gold tooth cap I see?

haHA you crack me up!

 

[Caverject]

haHA you crack me up!

Did somebody say something about crack?

 

[lava2]

Sounds impressive but he is still a rookie. Unless you have god-given talent,of that in this program(HICP).
Sounds, really fishy

 

[hawaii90210]

This person not impressive at all, once you research his past and find out the true information. Don't let the rosy words fool you, there seems to be a pattern of that in this program(HICP).

I believe this person has not done/finished/withdrew from his clinical residency and might have other issues as well. A PharmD title will get you far in this program, even if you never had any experience in Academia, besides being a student.

Not to mention......

Lava,
Which source of search engine that u used to search for info on this guy? i've heard "rumors" about him not finishing his residency. is that true?
thanks

 

[Steady-State]

HEY! I just heard that Dr. Borja has been fired. Is that true?
Can any of my classmates confirm that or is this just another "rumor"?

 

[sharky2005]

Whats the casualties for the number of deferral and quitted students at HICP, does anyone know?

 

[hiprayer]

Dr. Borja is no longer with the school. That is confirmed!!!!

 

[DayDreamer]

Does anybody know about the rotation sites Dr. Borja was taking care of going? Are they all gone now? The school just keeps on doing this to us. Why?!?!?
Not to mention the interesting day we had during the FINALS for Pharmaceutics and Pharmacokinetics. After a day of contemplating, wasn't that day just great? Never saw a flying backpack in my life before but I guess you can always have a first for everything.......... ****SIGH*****

 

[LVPharm]

flying backpack? What happened?

 

[DayDreamer]

flying backpack? What happened?

It's so embarassing, and maybe the other students can fill you in on this monumental moment. Not sure exactly what the reason was, but everybody was taking their test and suddenly, you hear this big *crash* on the board. Everybody looks up to see what had happened. The professor was upset and I suppose either he tripped over the backpack or the backpack shouldn't haven't been there.....basically, he picked it up and threw it across the room. 😱This is the same day when students were told to bring their IDs and did not or forgot, and students were not *on time* to take the test, so that may have been added to the stress on the professor and explains why he would be upset as well.
Also, this story was just the series of event that happened on the same day Dr. Borja (aka President-Elect of Hawaii Pharmacist Associations ) was let go.

Just another exciting day at HICP.

 

[Jeddevil]

And you are still there wasting your money.

 

[lisi]

It's so embarassing, and maybe the other students can fill you in on this monumental moment. Not sure exactly what the reason was, but everybody was taking their test and suddenly, you hear this big *crash* on the board. Everybody looks up to see what had happened. The professor was upset and I suppose either he tripped over the backpack or the backpack shouldn't haven't been there.....basically, he picked it up and threw it across the room. 😱This is the same day when students were told to bring their IDs and did not or forgot, and students were not *on time* to take the test, so that may have been added to the stress on the professor and explains why he would be upset as well.
Also, this story was just the series of event that happened on the same day Dr. Borja (aka President-Elect of Hawaii Pharmacist Associations ) was let go.

Just another exciting day at HICP.

Was it Dr. Belloto that threw the backpack?

 

[hiprayer]

HICP is planning on accepting 60 students next year....

 

[LVPharm]

Was it Dr. Belloto that threw the backpack?

😱

...No comment 😉

 

[Caverject]

HICP is planning on accepting 60 students next year....

planning? Should the class be filled out by now?

 

[DayDreamer]

Was it Dr. Belloto that threw the backpack?

Yes.....do you know him???

 

[hicphelp]

Yes.....do you know him???

oh, this person is really interesting ...

Never in my life have I met such an .. uneducated teacher (although he reminded us every day that he has a PhD!). He treats students like ****, and I believe students also see him as such 😛. He scared the **** out of us before a long & stressful exam, what kind of teacher is it? Or else he must have some problem mentally ...

 

[lava2]

🙄 What can you expect from a professor, who was recruited by Criswell and Monroe. Another "Outside the Box" hire. Do you actually think that those 2 and their assistants, Hasan & Scott Banks, can actually hire a professional pharmacist, that is "normal" and can educate students in a professional Environment? 😛 😛

 

[quacker]

Seems to me hicp is picking the bad apples. 👎

 

[BMBiology]

Seems to me hicp is picking the bad apples. 👎

They are not picking; they are desperate for professors.

 

[lava2]

They are not picking; they are desperate for professors.

Literally. If you got a PharmD., you apply, you're hired. No matter what the cost. Just to say that they've hired PharmD's and tell that to the students, will keep the students coming back $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
SHOW ME THE MONEY$$$$$$$$$. That's what it's ALL ABOUT. 👎

"LEAVE OR BELIEVE" "LEAVE OR BELIEVE" H.A. HASAN This is his new modo.

 

[bigandbrawny]

I heard a rumor today that HCPI accreditation application was DENIED by ACPE board. They are also advised to WITHDRAW their application PERMANENTLY by the board.

 

[Steady-State]

They were denied and asked to withdaw. People at HICP said that they were prepared and had everything in order for ACPE prior to that meeting. HICP was confident that they could get candidate status on the first try.

Dr. Hasan also said that the school will be able to find a dean by July 2005 and that HICP will be able to get there application ready in time for Jan 2006.

Is that right? Can some of my other classmates confirm that?

 

[bananaface]

I heard a rumor today that HCPI accreditation application was DENIED by ACPE board. They are also advised to WITHDRAW their application PERMANENTLY by the board.

If you read the content of this thread, you will find that we are aware of the status of HICP's application for accreditation and have already discussed it at length. 🙂

 

[Jeddevil]

I heard a rumor today that HCPI accreditation application was DENIED by ACPE board. They are also advised to WITHDRAW their application PERMANENTLY by the board.

NEWSFLASH!!!
Titanic Sinks, 1500 dead, Iceburg suspect!!! &

Wile E Coyote fooled again by that dang Roadrunner!!!

The accredidation "rumor" has been known fact on here for several months, read back through this thread and you will find it.

 

[Caverject]

If you read the content of this thread, you will find that we are aware of the status of HICP's application for accreditation and have already discussed it at length. 🙂

brawn does not equal brains

 

[lisi]

Yes.....do you know him???

Just attribute it to my psychic abilities

 

[BMBiology]

HICP students- when is the deadline to deposit your 2nd year tuition if you are planning to return for the 2nd year?

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

HICP students- when is the deadline to deposit your 2nd year tuition if you are planning to return for the 2nd year?

Sep.3.05

I heard a rumor today that HCPI accreditation application was DENIED by ACPE board. They are also advised to WITHDRAW their application PERMANENTLY by the board.

Hi BMBiology, is this rumor true or not? Can you confirm it?

 

[hicphelp]

Literally. If you got a PharmD., you apply, you're hired. No matter what the cost. Just to say that they've hired PharmD's and tell that to the students, will keep the students coming back $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
SHOW ME THE MONEY$$$$$$$$$. That's what it's ALL ABOUT. 👎

"LEAVE OR BELIEVE" "LEAVE OR BELIEVE" H.A. HASAN This is his new modo.

New Hire!!!

HICP HIRES FULL TIME EXPERIENTIAL SITE DIRECTOR & ASSISTANT PROFESSOR of PHARMACY LAW - DR. SUSIE PHAN


Please join me in welcoming Dr. Susie Phan as our Experiential Site Director & Assistant Professor of Pharmacy Law.

Dr. Phan has joined HICP recently on a full time basis, and in a very short period of time has already secured several dozen Experiential rotational sites in both California and Nevada for our students.

Dr. Phan completed her undergraduate degree at the University of California, Irvine and graduated in 1997 with a B.S in Biology and a minor in Psychology. After college, she went to work as a business consultant for a software company. Her clients included Mattel, Inc (famous for Barbie and hot rods) and Arco Products Co. (gas).

2 years later, she went to work for Manna Pharmacy in Garden Grove. It was then that she decided she needed to go back to school to get her Pharm.D degree. Though she was running this pharmacy, she couldn't do a lot of the front work without a pharmacy degree.

In January 2000, she started pharmacy school at the Nevada College of Pharmacy (now known as the University of Southern Nevada College of Pharmacy ). She was class president during her second year of pharmacy school. This was when she got really involved with the accreditation process of the program. It was also this year when the school got its candidate status.

Dr. Phan graduated with a Pharm.D in November 2003. She is now a registered pharmacist in Nevada and California.

Before coming to Hawaii College of Pharmacy, she has been running two very busy independent pharmacies in Orange County.

Dr. Phan is located in California and will fly to Hawaii on an as needed basis. She says that she is very pleased to be joining the HICP team and will do her best to find every student an Experiential Site as fast as possible.

Welcome Dr. Susie Phan to the HICP team!


Scott H. Banks, MBA, CITP, CHRP

Chief Financial Officer

 

[LVPharm]

wow

...no comment, again! 😉

 

[DayDreamer]

I believe Dr. Phan is a relative or sister to one of the HICP student.

Lisi- Do you know who she is?

 

[BMBiology]

As stated on its website:

Qualifications: Successful applicants will have a Pharm.D. with residency experience or equivalent clinical and/or teaching experience. Eligibility for State of Hawaii licensure is also required, as the selected faculty members will be required to become licensed.

http://www.hicp.org/careers/bsacf_desc.pdf

Pharm.D. Degree. Check
Residency or equivalent. Not Check
Teaching experience. Not Check
Licensed in Hawaii. Not Check

All you need is a Pharm.D. degree and you are hired! I wonder how long will this person last before she gets fired. Why would any qualified pharmacists/scientists become a faculty member at a new independent pharmacy school with a tarnished reputation?

 

[LVPharm]

Well, goodness knows I'm not here to defend HICP 😉

...but a residency and/or teaching experience is not absolutely requisite to teach pharmacy law or coordinate rotation sites. She most probably won't teach pharmaceutical sciences or teach therapeutics, and won't have to maintain a clinical practice in Hawaii...that's why she'll be visiting as needed. Licensure, I'm not entirely sure of. She won't practice there, but will teach Hawaii law...it would be good to have passed a HI MPJE 😉

 

[BMBiology]

that may be true but that is what HICP states on its website for qualifications. But in this case, I think residency is important because the knowledge of the quality of clinical sites is important.

I also dont know why she will teach pharmacy law when she doesn't have any experience with law or a law degree for that matter (not even a poli sci degree).

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

I heard a rumor today that HCPI accreditation application was DENIED by ACPE board. They are also advised to WITHDRAW their application PERMANENTLY by the board.

Hi BMBiology, is this rumor true or not? Can you confirm it?

 

[J Lucas]

HAH, thats a good one.

I dont want to be rude BUT
Maybe the students accepted to HICP arent that smart afterfall. I am sure some could sit and cram/study or do whatever they have to do to pass exams but where is the common sense? Where is the attention to detail?Where are all the future Pharmacist who like to play it SAFE in life?Isnt common sense and the ability to limit risk essential to someone who wants to be a Pharmacist? I do not consider gambling with $30k-$60k(See:Mortgages,Retirement Plans) playing it safe.
I dont even see how you could defend the people who "didnt know what was going on" because thats gross negligence!It was obvious to anyone who did a little research! Like I did when I heard there was a "school opening up in Hawaii with guaranteed admission if you could pay the tuition." What are you kidding me? As a Pharmacist you just cant say "Oh I didnt know what was going on after you make a mistake...

 

[lisi]

Hi BMBiology, is this rumor true or not? Can you confirm it?

Why worry about a rumor? Go straight to the source and get the answer. Call ACPE or contact ACPE via email and ask them straight up what the deal is. That is the only way you'll know for sure. ACPE is obligated to give you an honest answer--HICP hasn't had a good track record in the "honest answer" department. Despite what Dr. Hasan says, you can and should call ACPE with your accreditation questions. (I like the "Believe or Leave" thing, though--adds a nice Jesse Jackson-ish touch to the whole thing )

Here's the situation as I know the facts to be. They submitted an application to be considered for candidate status by ACPE for the January ACPE Board of Directors meeting. At that meeting, it was suggested that they withdraw their application. (You can find all this on ACPE's website). They have not submitted a new application for consideration at the June ACPE Board of Directors meeting. The next time they can submit something is for the January 2006 Board of Directors meeting. But call ACPE and find out for yourself. The best case scenario right now is that their application goes well and at the January 2006 Board meeting, ACPE authorizes an on-site accreditation evaluation visit in Spring 2006. Then, at the June 2006 meeting ACPE would determine whether or not to grant HICP candidate status. If candidate status is granted in June 2006, there would still need to be another on-site evaluation, this time for determining if the school warrants advancement from candidate to full accreditation status. The best case scenario would be that the evaluation for full accreditation would happen in spring 2007 prior to the graduation of the first 240 students 😱 If full accreditation status is not granted, candidate status could be continued for another term. Typically terms for candidate status are two years. Hope this helps for what its worth.

 

[J Lucas]

Why worry about a rumor? Go straight to the source and get the answer. Call ACPE or contact ACPE via email and ask them straight up what the deal is. That is the only way you'll know for sure. ACPE is obligated to give you an honest answer--HICP hasn't had a good track record in the "honest answer" department. Despite what Dr. Hasan says, you can and should call ACPE with your accreditation questions. (I like the "Believe or Leave" thing, though--adds a nice Jesse Jackson-ish touch to the whole thing )

Here's the situation as I know the facts to be. They submitted an application to be considered for candidate status by ACPE for the January ACPE Board of Directors meeting. At that meeting, it was suggested that they withdraw their application. (You can find all this on ACPE's website). They have not submitted a new application for consideration at the June ACPE Board of Directors meeting. The next time they can submit something is for the January 2006 Board of Directors meeting. But call ACPE and find out for yourself. The best case scenario right now is that their application goes well and at the January 2006 Board meeting, ACPE authorizes an on-site accreditation evaluation visit in Spring 2006. Then, at the June 2006 meeting ACPE would determine whether or not to grant HICP candidate status. If candidate status is granted in June 2006, there would still need to be another on-site evaluation, this time for determining if the school warrants advancement from candidate to full accreditation status. The best case scenario would be that the evaluation for full accreditation would happen in spring 2007 prior to the graduation of the first 240 students 😱 If full accreditation status is not granted, candidate status could be continued for another term. Typically terms for candidate status are two years. Hope this helps for what its worth.

Hey lisi
I am only asking because it seems you have spoken with ACPE and possess more knowledge than most of the others in regards to the issue.
What do you think are the chances of the current years classes graduating on time?What do you think are the chances they will have to re-do this year and most likely the following two?

 

[lisi]

Hey lisi
I am only asking because it seems you have spoken with ACPE and possess more knowledge than most of the others in regards to the issue.
What do you think are the chances of the current years classes graduating on time?What do you think are the chances they will have to re-do this year and most likely the following two?

I'm not going to be much help with this one. I don't think any other new school has gotten to this stage in the process and not gotten accredited (Please don't misinterpret this to think that I mean that I don't think there can't be a first time), so if they don't get accredited would the students need to redo the years in which HICP was not accredited? I have no clue. The only thing I'd feel safe in rendering an opinion on is that HICP students will probably have a difficult time trying to get credit for the classes they've taken if they try to transfer to another pharmacy school.

I also don't think that there has been a school that has ignored ACPE standards to the degree that HICP has (at least based on my limited knowledge of what they've got, what they are currently advertising for, and what has been posted on this forum). To interpret "ACPE-ese" to a degree, to be asked to withdraw an application in my opinion is like saying they need a big do-over, a mulligan, go back to the drawing board (I don't think I have any more analogies--oops, one more, do not pass go, do not collect 7.2 million dollars).

 

[J Lucas]

I'm not going to be much help with this one. I don't think any other new school has gotten to this stage in the process and not gotten accredited (Please don't misinterpret this to think that I mean that I don't think there can't be a first time), so if they don't get accredited would the students need to redo the years in which HICP was not accredited? I have no clue. The only thing I'd feel safe in rendering an opinion on is that HICP students will probably have a difficult time trying to get credit for the classes they've taken if they try to transfer to another pharmacy school.

I also don't think that there has been a school that has ignored ACPE standards to the degree that HICP has (at least based on my limited knowledge of what they've got, what they are currently advertising for, and what has been posted on this forum). To interpret "ACPE-ese" to a degree, to be asked to withdraw an application in my opinion is like saying they need a big do-over, a mulligan, go back to the drawing board (I don't think I have any more analogies--oops, one more, do not pass go, do not collect 7.2 million dollars).

This is too unreal but soooo real life. I am like 99% sure the members of the administrative staff at HICP are aware of this site and read it actively. Its a shock to me that some of the students are still in the dark. I wonder if someone put together a .doc with all the information listed in this thread and the acpe web site. Zipped it up and sent it to ALL the staff and students email addresses at HICP! What would that catalyze? Wouldnt they HAVE to come clean?