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Reporter said:
Hello:

I'm a reporter at Pacific Business News writing an article on the Hawaii College of Pharmacy. I wrote a story about a new dental school being planned by the same owners of the pharmacy college in this week's PBN (www.pacific.bizjournals.com). I'd appreciate any information you can provide on or off the record. I'm trying to get as many perspectives into the story to get a fair and accurate picture of the college. I'm on a tight deadline and would appreciate anyone contacting me at [email protected]! Thank you!

Reporter, Read this thread and you will get plenty of information to see the fraud that HICP is. I can't access the link to your story. I hope it didn't paint a rosey picture of the prospects of a dental school, because anything run by the corporation that is HICP will never turn out a practicing pharmacist or dentist, only rip students off.

Is there another way to access your article?
 
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine is indeed taking applications for 2006 through AADSAS. The Dean is listed as Raymond D. Rawson, DDS, MA. The physical address is the same as HICP (I think) and email inquires go to [email protected]

A google search for Raymond Rawson brings up quite a bit of info. He was honored as Loma Linda University's dental alum of the year in 2005. He's been a state senator in Nevada since 1985. He's a forensic dentist who has been involved in some fairly high profile cases.

http://www.llu.edu/llu/dentistry/alumni/dds-alumniofyr/rawson.html

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/70th/Legislators/Senators/RAWSON.htm

Wonder why he'd want to be involved with this mess?



ETA:
I am combining my previous post with this one.

The web address given by "Reporter" will work if you type it into your browser, but not if you click on the link.

You can also get to Pacific Business News via www.bizjournals.com/pacific, which is the link I've always used (it's a work thing).

If any HICP students have info for the media, I encourage them to share it.
Don't know if the email address given by "Reporter" works, but the address and phone number from my old post definitely will:

[email protected]
808-955-8033
 
The print edition isn't going to be available until next week. If you go and buy or read the print edition, the article is right there on page 3. The dean of this new school is quoted as saying, "The pharmacy college is well on its way toward accreditation."


All4MyDaughter said:
The correct address for Pacific Business News is:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/

I am a registered user of the site and can't find the article this person claims to have written about the dental school. I found other articles on dentistry related topics by Kristin Consillio though.

I am suspicious that the person posting at SDN may be impersonating Ms. Consillio, given the use of the incorrect web address and the absence of the above referenced article about HICD.

That said, it might not be a bad idea to actually contact Pacific Business News directly, which you can do by emailing [email protected] or calling 808-955-8033, if you have information you want to share about HICP.

Your input might encourage them to do a story.

ETA: I tried to email Kristin Consillio using the address given by "Reporter." We'll see if I get a reply/bounce/whatever.
 
HI DDS said:
The print edition isn't going to be available until next week. If you go and buy or read the print edition, the article is right there on page 3. The dean of this new school is quoted as saying, "The pharmacy college is well on its way toward accreditation."


That's good to know. I don't have access to the print edition and like I said, that article isn't online.

What else does the article say?
 
The rest of the article should be online on Monday. The important thing right now is that if HICP students really want any media help, they need to contact Ms. Consillio themselves. It's up to them.




All4MyDaughter said:
That's good to know. I don't have access to the print edition and like I said, that article isn't online.

What else does the article say?
 
Since the second group of HICP students will repeat their first year again in 2005, what would happen to the coming year students (2005)? Will they have the same standing for 2006 (if they still decide to attend HICP)?
 
ucrsandstorm said:
I am all about making differences and doing the right thing. I'll also try to share what I know to help out.


you need to get a life man...do you want to be remind of this for the rest of your life...

------
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
 
It is hard to believe that they took in unqualified ppl and now are making them go thru this mess and letting them know that "it is a golden opportunity" and that basically, they can't get in anywhere else b/c it is a lot of hassle (sp?) to apply over again and they probably KNOW that many in the school (BUT NOT ALL) are not qualified or prepared as of yet, or if ever, to even begin a Doctor of Pharmacy program.........

Lastly, ALL students have until Friday by 4pm to decide if they want to stay with the school or not. Now is this a fair enough amount of time to make a decision???? 👎[/QUOTE]

are you confused or what...you have trash talking about how unfair it is ...and now to raise a question of fairness as if you need time to come back 😕
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Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
 
So where are the supporters of the school now? It is xpm JUl.9, xxxxxxx.

I hope the students believing in the organization "HICP" are finally coming to their senses about the reality of the situation. If Plan B wasn't a slap of reality of how the organization"HICP" is desperately trying to do or say anything, to bring back $$$$(students), then what will you wait for; For them to put a gun to your head and rob you (and your family) flat out?

I just hope that all the students (HICP) viewing are finally realizing the gravity of the situation. Move on with your lives, don't give these thieves (Monroe, Criswell, Nixon, Hasan, Banks, etc.) Anymore of your and your parents hard EARNED Money.
It has been one year and do you really feel any better about the situation you're in?
Honestly ask yourself. Look Around you and see the suffering your fellow students are going through. Look around you and see how your leaders are behaving (Monroe, Hasan) are behaving, conducting business, talking, etc.
The signs are there. If this truly was a wonderful, great, honest place, then you wouldn't feel as you do. Even the supporters of the school I'm sure feel confused and sad inside. Do you feel this is a safe learning environment for a Doctorate student?
Be true to yourself and you will find the truth.
 
Bias O5, weren't you already banned for trolling as JudyNM?

Why did you come back? And as Bias05.
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
Wow, I think you need a friend instead of SDN. You seem to be doing nothing productive on this forum, but attack the truth and your fellow classmates. What Lava2 posted I believe as well as other to be 100% true. Why are you so afraid for the truth to be known. What do you have to hide? Did Hasan promise you that you would be in the top 100, will he change your grade as I've read he's done for others? Are you one of Hasan's "girls" that he spends the weekends with at times, goes to dinner, out, etc.? I don't understand, please help me understand why you insist on bashing your classmates who have not injured you. But, yet you protect those who have violated you, harmed you, stole your money, etc.
 
I don't know the guy, but if he just got back to the mainland (95% of the students were from the mainland), I don't think he can do much. If he has a biology degree, that would even hurt more. What do you do with a BS degree in biology?

I don't think he is a loser. He sounds altruistic if you ask me. I am guessing there are some HICP students who won't complain because they fear retribution. For anyone to complain, they have to give their personal information.

Only people who left HICP have the courage to retaliate against the school. I think this guy should lead since he was the class president and is no longer affliated with HICP.

bias05 said:
you need to get a life man...do you want to be remind of this for the rest of your life...

------
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
 
bias05 said:
you need to get a life man...do you want to be remind of this for the rest of your life...

------
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)

Dude, shut the hell up and quit crying.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Those folks at HICP are lucky I'm not a student there, I'd waltz into the Dean's office and introduce his cranium to the concept of redneck justice (commonly known as "a tire iron.") Then I'd steal his computer and whatever else he has laying around his office as compensation, sell it to a pawn shop in HI, then fly back to WV and go to dentistry school or something.

good plan but I am afraid it might not work seeing as how the school doesn't have a dean???
 
HI DDS said:
The rest of the article should be online on Monday. The important thing right now is that if HICP students really want any media help, they need to contact Ms. Consillio themselves. It's up to them.

I emailed Ms. Consillio. I hope she can help those of us who have our eyes open. Do either of you know any extremely diligent lawyers in Hawaii or Nevada? I believe we have very good grounds for a class action lawsuit and I for one will certainly be pursuing it.
 
RxHolmes said:
i’m an hicp student and i heard students have called acpe to see if the plan dr. hasan and dr. a told us was approved by them. from what i heard acpe did not give them that plan because they have no status with acpe. call acpe to hear the truth. believe or leave…the truth is out there.

if dr. wadelin is not there ask for dr. vlasses because dr. hasan did mention he was at the acpe meeting.

Phone: (312) 664-3575
http://www.acpe-accredit.org/about/staff.asp

Peter H. Vlasses, PharmD, BCPS
Executive Director
[email protected]

Jeffrey W. Wadelin, PhD
Associate Executive Director, and
Director, Professional Degree Program Accreditation
[email protected]


HICP Students, please read this post carefully.....and I mean CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!! This isn't a joke. CALL THEM!! Don't be afraid!!! ACPE will have answers for you.

It's so tragic that HICP students here cannot distinguish between what is the TRUTH and what is a LIE. Very sad....

Side Note: Just because we signed "the paper" with our photo ID to show proof that we are staying doesn't mean crap!!! That paper doesn't mean you are obligated to PAY the school 30 grand. Nobody can never force you to pay...which means this school can't either.
 
JohnHICP said:
I emailed Ms. Consillio. I hope she can help those of us who have our eyes open. Do either of you know any extremely diligent lawyers in Hawaii or Nevada? I believe we have very good grounds for a class action lawsuit and I for one will certainly be pursuing it.
Thnx John
 
aubieRx said:
good plan but I am afraid it might not work seeing as how the school doesn't have a dean???


The school has a dean, it's HASAN!!!!
 
CAGinseng said:
Bias O5, weren't you already banned for trolling as JudyNM?

Why did you come back? And as Bias05.
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
Wow, I think you need a friend instead of SDN. You seem to be doing nothing productive on this forum, but attack the truth and your fellow classmates. What Lava2 posted I believe as well as other to be 100% true. Why are you so afraid for the truth to be known. What do you have to hide? Did Hasan promise you that you would be in the top 100, will he change your grade as I've read he's done for others? Are you one of Hasan's "girls" that he spends the weekends with at times, goes to dinner, out, etc.? I don't understand, please help me understand why you insist on bashing your classmates who have not injured you. But, yet you protect those who have violated you, harmed you, stole your money, etc.


is this what all of you are doing? what goes around..comes around and haunt you :laugh:

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Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
 
bias05 said:
is this what all of you are doing? what goes around..comes around and haunt you :laugh:

Your colors really shine there troll. 🙄
 
DayDreamer said:
The school has a dean, it's HASAN!!!!

he was listed as assistant dean i think. I cannot check because i cannot load that page at the moment
 
bias05 said:
you need to get a life man...do you want to be remind of this for the rest of your life...

------
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)
As many of you can see there are many students at HICP who are under the influence of the deception and manipulations at HICP. I have been a supporter of HICP since day one. I gave them a chance and had limited understanding about the accreditation process. I just wanted to go to school and become a pharmacist.

When I applied for admission, Monroe said the school was under USN and that they were affiliated. He also stated to me that if anything went wrong students could all transfer to NV (USN) and graduate from that school. After moving my life to HI, I found it to be untrue. However, the school continued to make promises like building a building and reassuring students that candidate status was "automatic". There was nothing to be worried about because HICP was doing everything that ACPE wanted and their application was spotless. If USN can do it then HICP could too. Does that sound familiar to HICP students now? I am not the only person that heard these promises and reassurances. After a while, I myself was reassuring other classmates that everything was ok, team work, Ohana. RIGHT?

Later, I began to question what was being done with student's tuition money. Where was it going? Why wasn't 100% of it used on the pharmacy school? Where did the money come from for the Dental program? Hasan said it was a grant. Which one? Maybe he's changing the story again.

What was truly going on? My classmates at least deserve to hear the truth. My classmates and I had hope and faith, many still hold on today. They hope that Hasan, Monroe, Criswell, and the corporation would do the right thing and ensure that the pharmacy program would be successful.

Based on evidence, this is not the case. In fact, Dr. Borja, Miyahara and Batz, all pharmacists, were the ones who understood and wanted to make sure things were done legitimately. In my opinion they were the gatekeepers and because of that they were eliminated by any means necessary, fired, made to or had to resign. What's even worse is they were made into scapegoats on WHY the school was failing. Students were saying Batz was a Nazi and failing students on purpose, Miyahara was looking for a job while interviewing faculty, and Borja was not doing her job finding sites (she actually was writing the ACPE reapplication because it "sucked" the first time). These allegations are completely misconstrued, another example of the manipulation. I'm sure the new associate dean Dr. A... wants to do that same as well but I highly doubt she knows the WHOLE story. When decisions got down to Money vs. Pharmacy education (Doing things the way ACPE had outlined previous) the school would try to cut corners and find the cheapest way out of the situation. What happened to the consultants that were promised to come to HICP to help the school with accreditation? Maybe it cost too much money.

Why not send everyone home and restart the program over? Why not refund student tuition? Why not build a good curriculum instead of throwing things together (in fact there were many instances where class was cancelled and not only in the past but up until the days that I had left in June, classes were cancelled or changed at the last minute)? Why not take the TIME and MONEY to do things right? Why? Maybe because Monroe, Hasan, Criswell, Banks, Nixon can't afford too.

The lecture hall has 240 folding chairs and several folding tables; the projectors don't even have the projector screens. If you sit in the back you cant see what the professor is teaching. The lights in the classroom don't turn off to see presentation or some lectures. The audio system was poor. You can't hear from the back without making the people in the front go deaf.

So where did all the money go? Who is watching over HICP student's money? Scott Banks? He is employed by the corp. If he cares about students then maybe he should make sure that money isn't being funnel into other accounts.

About my leadership abilities, except for a few good pharmacists, I highly doubt anyone could truly understand what I have been through trying to help my fellow classmates and work with this corporation. Anonymous emails would attempt to threaten and intimidate me for what I know and what I think is right. I even received one after I left, reminds me of Bias05. In the end I had to remember who I was and what I wanted to be, and what I stood for. I left with NO REFUND and TOOK MY LOSS. Staying at HICP was not the right place for me. I lead by example and could not expect anything to be done by others if I wasn't willing to do it myself.

HICP students YOU should contact the media, DCCA, and ACPE to discuss what's going on.

I also value the profession of pharmacy.
 
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aubieRx said:
he was listed as assistant dean i think. I cannot check because i cannot load that page at the moment

HICP website has been downed since last week. we cant access other informations on there except our email account. however, the fact that HASAN is a DEAN is true... Monroe gave a very long speech to introduce him to us as if we care. I was just surprised that no one even question that to them.........
to all my fellow classmates: Please think twice before coming back and pay them any extra money.... they've been scamming us throughout the year and they will continue to do the same thing if we let them..... take actions such as calling and filing complaints w the DCCA department, contact the governor or the Lt. governor-Duke Aiona since he was there at our white coat and let them know the truth..... dont let hasan and monroe manipulate us anymore.....
 
Interesting article indeed. I can't wait to see the Pacific Business News article about the Dental School...



Kaukaknowsbest said:
Looks like Rawson the dean of the purported Hawaii dental school run by the HI College of Pharmacy left a mess behind him and is not so respectable? see:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2005-04-21/news/feature_6.html

Also, I saw the Pacific Business News article and he seems to have weak ethics as well. The story is very misleading with claims he couldn't support if challenged. Pacific Business News should talk to the dental association and dentists in Hawaii who know that the claims of a dental school are all another scam. He stated that the HICP was "well on it's way to accreditation", which we know is an outright lie. Sounds like he fits right in with the crew at HICP. The Hawaii Medical School dean's comments were brief but to the point. No kind words or encouragement, but he simply stated that the University of Hawaii would not affililiate themselves with an unaccredited program. All HICP students must see this article.
 
ucrsandstorm said:
As many of you can see there are many students at HICP who are under the influence of the deception and manipulations at HICP. I have been a supporter of HICP since day one. I gave them a chance and had limited understanding about the accreditation process. I just wanted to go to school and become a pharmacist.

When I applied for admission, Monroe said the school was under USN and that they were affiliated. He also stated to me that if anything went wrong students could all transfer to NV (USN) and graduate from that school. After moving my life to HI, I found it to be untrue. However, the school continued to make promises like building a building and reassuring students that candidate status was "automatic". There was nothing to be worried about because HICP was doing everything that ACPE wanted and their application was spotless. If USN can do it then HICP could too. Does that sound familiar to HICP students now? I am not the only person that heard these promises and reassurances. After a while, I myself was reassuring other classmates that everything was ok, team work, Ohana. RIGHT?

Later, I began to question what was being done with student's tuition money. Where was it going? Why wasn't 100% of it used on the pharmacy school? Where did the money come from for the Dental program? Hasan said it was a grant. Which one? Maybe he's changing the story again.

What was truly going on? My classmates at least deserve to hear the truth. My classmates and I had hope and faith, many still hold on today. They hope that Hasan, Monroe, Criswell, and the corporation would do the right thing and ensure that the pharmacy program would be successful.

Based on evidence, this is not the case. In fact, Dr. Borja, Miyahara and Batz, all pharmacists, were the ones who understood and wanted to make sure things were done legitimately. In my opinion they were the gatekeepers and because of that they were eliminated by any means necessary, fired, made to or had to resign. What's even worse is they were made into scapegoats on WHY the school was failing. Students were saying Batz was a Nazi and failing students on purpose, Miyahara was looking for a job while interviewing faculty, and Borja was not doing her job finding sites (she actually was writing the ACPE reapplication because it "sucked" the first time). These allegations are completely misconstrued, another example of the manipulation. I'm sure the new associate dean Dr. A... wants to do that same as well but I highly doubt she knows the WHOLE story. When decisions got down to Money vs. Pharmacy education (Doing things the way ACPE had outlined previous) the school would try to cut corners and find the cheapest way out of the situation. What happened to the consultants that were promised to come to HICP to help the school with accreditation? Maybe it cost too much money.

Why not send everyone home and restart the program over? Why not refund student tuition? Why not build a good curriculum instead of throwing things together (in fact there were many instances where class was cancelled and not only in the past but up until the days that I had left in June, classes were cancelled or changed at the last minute)? Why not take the TIME and MONEY to do things right? Why? Maybe because Monroe, Hasan, Criswell, Banks, Nixon can't afford too.

The lecture hall has 240 folding chairs and several folding tables; the projectors don't even have the projector screens. If you sit in the back you cant see what the professor is teaching. The lights in the classroom don't turn off to see presentation or some lectures. The audio system was poor. You can't hear from the back without making the people in the front go deaf.

So where did all the money go? Who is watching over HICP student's money? Scott Banks? He is employed by the corp. If he cares about students then maybe he should make sure that money isn't being funnel into other accounts.

About my leadership abilities, except for a few good pharmacists, I highly doubt anyone could truly understand what I have been through trying to help my fellow classmates and work with this corporation. Anonymous emails would attempt to threaten and intimidate me for what I know and what I think is right. I even received one after I left, reminds me of Bias05. In the end I had to remember who I was and what I wanted to be, and what I stood for. I left with NO REFUND and TOOK MY LOSS. Staying at HICP was not the right place for me. I lead by example and could not expect anything to be done by others if I wasn't willing to do it myself.

HICP students YOU should contact the media, DCCA, and ACPE to discuss what's going on.

I value the profession of pharmacy.
Well said buddy! I am sorry that so many fellow students misconstrued you as playing in the corporations hands. When faced with having to make the right decision, it usually is not very popular. Goodluck dude!
 
Kaukaknowsbest said:
Looks like Rawson the dean of the purported Hawaii dental school run by the HI College of Pharmacy left a mess behind him and is not so respectable? see:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2005-04-21/news/feature_6.html

Also, I saw the Pacific Business News article and he seems to have weak ethics as well. The story is very misleading with claims he couldn't support if challenged. Pacific Business News should talk to the dental association and dentists in Hawaii who know that the claims of a dental school are all another scam. He stated that the HICP was "well on it's way to accreditation", which we know is an outright lie. Sounds like he fits right in with the crew at HICP. The Hawaii Medical School dean's comments were brief but to the point. No kind words or encouragement, but he simply stated that the University of Hawaii would not affililiate themselves with an unaccredited program. All HICP students must see this article.
This dude really fits well with Howard Dean's idea of a working Republican. (which Rawson is)
 
Kaukaknowsbest said:
Looks like Rawson the dean of the purported Hawaii dental school run by the HI College of Pharmacy left a mess behind him and is not so respectable? see:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2005-04-21/news/feature_6.html

Also, I saw the Pacific Business News article and he seems to have weak ethics as well. The story is very misleading with claims he couldn't support if challenged. Pacific Business News should talk to the dental association and dentists in Hawaii who know that the claims of a dental school are all another scam. He stated that the HICP was "well on it's way to accreditation", which we know is an outright lie. Sounds like he fits right in with the crew at HICP. The Hawaii Medical School dean's comments were brief but to the point. No kind words or encouragement, but he simply stated that the University of Hawaii would not affililiate themselves with an unaccredited program. All HICP students must see this article.

I can see why some people refer to some politicians as being “dirty” and “crooked”.

Apparently Rawson is NOT too popular in many places, especially Nevada where he served as a Senator….his relationship and with Pacific Educational Services and the HICP is a match made in heaven for him. One SCAM after another. Check out this website….it gets even more interesting!!!!

http://www.privacyalert.us/Letters/Letter-68.htm

Also, he is very popular w/ the judicial systems!!!!
http://kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=1687118

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Mar-04-Thu-2004/news/23354522.html

However, Rawson is also respected by many as well. He is a man of multiple, and I mean MULTIPLE INCOMES. This small chunk of change is probably just merely for pocket money compared to what he makes elsewhere....am I correct HICD  actually “Isn’t that correct HICP!” To better understand what I am saying then read this website posting of one of his many endeavors of 2005. He makes a measly $40 K for this gaming commission position….and yet he is still a DEAN of HICD and once again occupies two or more jobs at one time.
http://gov.state.nv.us/pr/2005/PR_04-26-05Rawson.htm
 
It does seem as Raymond Rawson,DDS founder of UNLV Dental school, etc. is an extremely intelligent man with connections. He is obviously involved with Pacific Educational SErvices, "HICP" for FISHY reasons. Why a man with his reputation and past experiences want to get involved with people such as David Monroe and Denise Criswell is extremely disturbing. There is Absolutely no way, he DOES NOT Know what is occurring at HICP.
Wow this scam gets deeper and deeper.
Do Remember HICP students, the Dental program is funded FULLY, until now with HICP student tuition . This is a FACT.
So, you are paying for Rawson, Orr, Linda Chapman, and all the other faculty in the Dental School' s salary, expenses, airfare, hotels, future building rent, dental supplies, etc. Please remind them to say Thank you to you, next time they're on Campus.

And for the students returning in the 2005-2006 classes (PY-1 and PY-2 of Plan B--200x$28,000+fees=, 😀 😍 Happy Happy owners and administrator, etc- Monroe and Hasan will tell you "I love you" even more NOW). Your tuition will help fund the NUrsing program and maintain the Dental school a float until they can scam the Dental students in 2006 for their full tuition. All this will be occurring while your wonderful HICP crumbles in front of your very own eyes. Best of Luck Returnees 🙂 .
 
Did anyone else notice that the plan they came up with to facilitate the birth of a new pharmacy school was known as "Plan B." Irony defined, folks. These people obviously know little about pharmacy.

This tale gets more incredible as time goes by. Who the hell would be dumb enough to go to dental, medical, law, and graduate school? What is that, like 25 year of education? Riiiight....
 
Kaukaknowsbest said:
Amazing! Here is another incredible situation. If you check out the website for Dr. Daniel Orr, he claims to be a DDS, PhD, JD, and MD. Seemed fishy to me. Sure enough. If you check out the "schools" claimed on his website, you'll find that his MD, PhD and JD are from DIPLOMA MILLS!!!!!!!! NO KIDDING!!!!! Check it out for yourself. Orr himself is a fraud! This is the kind of guy that Rawson, Hasan and Monroe associate with and is presented as a faculty member of the dental school! -Peas in a pod- Your lawyers should also alert both the ACPE and American Dental Education Association!!! This is whole scam is so unbelievable!!!!!!!!!! 😱

http://www.orrs.org/

For his JD Program......
http://www.detc.org/degree.html#WHT

I believe with this JD degree, he can only practice in the state of California.

If you are a student there, you cannot practice outside of California because the ABA doesn't recognize schools or approve schools that provide distance education courses.

For his MD Program.....

http://www.amsa.org/chapoff/index.cfm?CFID=135107&CFTOKEN=45743995

He graduated from the University of Health Sciences at Antigua. It is part of the AMSA website but you will find it part of the International Chapter that is accredited. This means that if he ever practices with his MD license, he would have to take a Foreign Examination in the United States along with other exams thereafter. (That's just the rules.)

For his PhD Program.....

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/cpu.html

This school was forced to closed down in California ordered by the court.


For his DDS program...

I believe he is a dentist though unless somebody else can verify this. 😕

You gotta love the internet!!!
 
Kaukaknowsbest said:
The "medical school" at Antigua is considered a joke in America. They offer an MD though an 18 month track to oral surgeons, with the option of a "non-traditional clinical pathway" which is described as on-line education? But that's OK I guess, because they have, "As a residential requirement, individuals fulfilling their clinical rotations via the Non-Traditional clinical pathway must spend a minimum of ONE WEEK at our campus in Antigua before graduation....The residential period provides an excellent opportunity to meet and spend time with both lecturers and fellow students, become familiar with our University and its resources, and also form academic and social bonds with other students in the program. The residential period usually includes seminars, local hospital and clinic visitations." In otherwords, it's an off-shore diploma mill.

Is this the kind of person you want on your faculty?
To think Daniel Orr was the original Pharmacy Law professor and his name is on as HICP professor of Law. Daniel Orr was brought in by Criswell to teach the PHarm Law class (they were using his name b/c of the J.D. license). Now all students know how the Pharm Law class ended up right?
Orr came in as Pharmacy Law professor, set up the material to cover, etc. Criswell and Monroe all of a sudden took over the class, created and gave out Pharm Law exams, etc. How did Monroe and Criswell become qualified to teach a Pharmacy Law class if the existence of their very own Ed.D is EXTREMELY Questionable? The story of how they attained Ed.D degrees is very unusual and not clear. Still, an Ed.D doesn't make you a PharmD or J.D. to teach a Law class, right?

Then after the huge mess that Monroe and Criswell created with the law class, Dr. Batz, PharmD was the only one willing to take the course on and finish it, for the students sake.
Basically Hasan fired/forced out Batz b/c he wasn't teaching/ instructing the class as Hasan wished and Hasan ended up Passing EVERY Single Student with an A or B grade (I mean it IS obvious that this is a FACT b/c now all of a sudden everyone gets to sit for the cumm. finals, when b4 you were not allowed to if you failed a course?????). This was one of his many "AMNESTY" moves, or saftey nets, for students through out the ENTIRE YEAR. And you wonder why there was always a # problem.

So now they want to ATTRITION people out, 1 week before P1 is over. 😕 👎
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
This tale gets more incredible as time goes by. Who the hell would be dumb enough to go to dental, medical, law, and graduate school? What is that, like 25 year of education? Riiiight....

lol maybe he comes from that special race of rangers from the north :laugh:
 
After months of reading these posts, I have to say that this school is more a circus than a professional institution. I feel so sorry for these students enduring such turmoil and an utter lack or organization as they truly move towards a PharmD. Something must be done to impede any other shams like this school from happening, as it is only degrading the profession itself. I say to these students you are well worthy of a better pharmacy degree and training than what that school has to offer. Save the money and apply again.

Anyways, I am just shocked at the above posts, imagine this type of shananigans occuring at our respective schools?

wow
 
Not to be a rumor monger, but I found this website that claims that Dr. Orr assaulted her handicapped daughter (severe facial bruising, etc.) in 1995 during the removal of two front teeth: http://www.justiceforjamie.com/
Nothing ever seems to have come of it, so one might question the validity of this.

I dont know why anyone would want that alphabet soup of letters behind their name though, except maybe to give patients a false sense of security, Dr. Dr. Dr. Orr does seem to be quite the busy busy dude, not even including his SEVEN children. 😱
 
DownonthePharm said:
Not to be a rumor monger, but I found this website that claims that Dr. Orr assaulted her handicapped daughter (severe facial bruising, etc.) in 1995 during the removal of two front teeth: http://www.justiceforjamie.com/
Nothing ever seems to have come of it, so one might question the validity of this.

I dont know why anyone would want that alphabet soup of letters behind their name though, except maybe to give patients a false sense of security, Dr. Dr. Dr. Orr does seem to be quite the busy busy dude, not even including his SEVEN children. 😱
Wow...Rawson and Orr are quite the dynamic duo
 
Could anyone that attends or is affiliated with the University of Kentucky, Pharmacy program please share with us any background information of Dr. Dee Antimisiaris?

How long was she an associate professor at UK? Is she knew to the Academic community of Pharmacy? Was she an ethical person? Is she qualified to be an Associate Dean of a Pharmacy Program?
Any information you can share with us would be wonderful.

If she is ethical and professional, why would she want to associate her name and her career with Hawaii College of Pharmacy? Could it be all about collecting the $$$ and not to be a true advocate and supporter for the pharmacy profession?

I just don't see how any ethical professional and supporter for true quality education could affiliate him or herself with Pacific Educational Services, "Hawaii College of Pharmacy, HICDM (dental medicine). It truly leaves me to conclude only one prime motive, and that is to collect all the $$$$ possible while they can from this derailing train.
 
I did a little research on Dr. Dee Antimisiaris. The University of Kentucky 2004-2005 COP bulletin lists her as a lecturer, not an assistant professor. A search of the minutes of the UK board of trustees (all available online) shows several years of renewed appointments as lecturer in the College of Pharmacy. Her last renewal was at the May 2004 board meeting and was for the term July 1, 2004 through June 30, 2005. She wasn't mentioned in the May 2005 minutes, but if she had resigned (for whatever reason) she wouldn't be.

From another source (UK student newsletter): she spent some time in Hawaii as a child, husband is a cardiologist and they have two teen/preteen children (daughters I think).

I don't go to UK - I found all of this using google.
 
hey gang lets split up and search for clues

I keep expecting some guy with a rubber monster mask on to post "and we would have gotten away with it if it hadn't of been for those meddling kids"
 
aubieRx said:
hey gang lets split up and search for clues

I keep expecting some guy with a rubber monster mask on to post "and we would have gotten away with it if it hadn't of been for those meddling kids"
Sorry, Couldn't hold it in. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: : :clap:
 
Did you know that if we (All who view and post on this thread) take 10 minutes out of our time we can make a change, to better the pharmacy profession?

How? Please just drop an email or a letter in the mail box to Pete Vlasses or Jeff Wadelin of ACPE @ [email protected]; [email protected].

Please share with ACPE what you think and know about the school. Also, how you don't want the pharmacy profession to be degraded any more than it already has with its (HICP) organizational practices.

A formal complaint via email will also do good. Just refer to BMBiology's HICP complaint on the thread below this one.
Anyone, and I mean Anyone in this country can submit a complaint regarding HICP.

The more clues and tools that we give ACPE to fix the problem, the higher the probability will be that the problem will be resolved.

Thank you
 
Here's the article by Kristin Consillio of Pacific Business News about HICDM.

Of note: check out what it will set you back to go there for one year. :wow:
Also, in the last paragraph, the Dean of the UH College of Medicine shares his opinion of HICP. :meanie:

I hope it's OK to post this here. You have to be a registered user to read the article on the newspaper's website.


PRIVATE COMPANY PLANS HAWAII'S FIRST DENTAL SCHOOL

The same Nevada-based company that opened Hawaii's first pharmacy school in Kapolei last October plans to launch the state's first dental college next year.

Pacific Educational Services, dba Hawaii College of Pharmacy, is planning groundbreaking this fall on a 120,000-square-foot Hawaii College of Dental Medicine, set to be the corporation's flagship college in Kapolei.

The two colleges combined -- totaling nearly 300,000 square feet -- are estimated to cost more than $100 million. The financing structure hasn't been finalized but likely will include personal investors and donations and a partnership with the Maryl Group Inc., which along with another investor would pay some of the construction costs and lease it back to the college.

"Their first wish would be to own the project and to have a development person and contractor design build," said Robert Freeman, Maryl Group vice president of development. "But they understand that they may not be able to fund 100 percent of it."

Pacific Educational Services is negotiating to buy three acres and the Maryl Group is buying another three acres in Kapolei for the pharmacy and dental colleges. The company also has bid on another 21 acres in the same area for the dental college.

The company started last year as a new for-profit business, but recently applied to become a nonprofit corporation, which will oversee both schools as separate entities.

Because the company doesn't have a track record, it will be difficult to get accreditation and build a sizable student body. The pharmacy college has yet to gain accreditation from the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy.

"The pharmacy college is well on its way toward accreditation," said the dental college's founding dean, Raymond Rawson, former director of dental programs in the University of Nevada System, who recently moved to Makakilo Heights.

The dental school expects its first students in September 2006 and already has 500 applicants, Rawson said.

"We'll be certified or accredited to accept up to 100 students when we open," he said, adding that the school won't accept students if accreditation isn't approved by the American Dental Association's Council on Dental Practice by the time the school opens. The company will apply for accreditation in October.

"A lot of colleges start without accreditation because that's the only way to really start up," he said. "For dental schools, it's not reasonable to start without accreditation because students are not able to take any state boards or practice anywhere if they graduate from an unaccredited college."

Rawson says there's another partnership in the works that would boost the school's credibility. Pacific Educational Services has offered a contract to Dentists Without Borders, an international volunteer organization that provides free dental care to the poor and indigent in rural and Third-World countries.

"They're very interested in working with us and willing to move their headquarters here," Rawson said. "We'll have a requirement for all students to do rotations in underserved areas worldwide."

Rawson admits that Hawaii doesn't need more dentists in an already saturated market, aside from its rural communities. However, he says a national need for dentists and future local dentists is what the proposed college is banking on.

"We graduate 4,300 dentists a year all over the country," he said. "That's about the same number we graduated 25 years ago."

Over the next four years, Pacific Educational Services plans to hire 100 part-time local dentists as faculty. In its first year, it intends to hire 35 faculty and already is preparing contracts for between eight and 10 local dentists. The company plans to hire about 10 percent of its faculty from the Mainland.

Student tuition is set for $45,000 a year, among the highest in the country.

"A typical state school will charge $15,000 in tuition and gain the rest of that from the state, but we will not be asking for any state appropriations," Rawson said.

While the company has no official ties with the University of Hawaii, Rawson says UH faculty have indicated a willingness to work part-time to help the startup with some of the basic sciences.

Rawson says the proposed dental school will have first-class clinical facilities and the potential to generate millions in research grants and contracts for the state.

"There's tremendous research potential in DNA stem cell; the medicine of dentistry is a very hot field now," he said. "With any new project there's always concerns and people who are afraid of competition, but this is a tremendous opportunity. In a very short time we will develop leaders in dentistry. This isn't just a mediocre school that's going to start -- it's a first-class, impressive school coming together."

Others in the medical field are less optimistic about a new venture putting together a quality dental school.

"We don't believe they're putting a quality product together in the college of pharmacy realm, so we don't have any interest in partnering with them," said Sam Shomaker, UH John A. Burns School of Medicine interim dean. "We're not interested in dealing with any institutions that aren't accredited."

[email protected] | 955-8036
 
that article formydaughter posted didn't make the pharmacy school sound bad at all.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Because the company doesn't have a track record, it will be difficult to get accreditation and build a sizable student body. The pharmacy college has yet to gain accreditation from the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy.

"The pharmacy college is well on its way toward accreditation," said the dental college's founding dean, Raymond Rawson, former director of dental programs in the University of Nevada System, who recently moved to Makakilo Heights.

The dental school expects its first students in September 2006 and already has 500 applicants, Rawson said.

"We'll be certified or accredited to accept up to 100 students when we open," he said, adding that the school won't accept students if accreditation isn't approved by the American Dental Association's Council on Dental Practice by the time the school opens. The company will apply for accreditation in October.

"A lot of colleges start without accreditation because that's the only way to really start up," he said. "For dental schools, it's not reasonable to start without accreditation because students are not able to take any state boards or practice anywhere if they graduate from an unaccredited college."

Rawson says the proposed dental school will have first-class clinical facilities and the potential to generate millions in research grants and contracts for the state.

"There's tremendous research potential in DNA stem cell; the medicine of dentistry is a very hot field now," he said. "With any new project there's always concerns and people who are afraid of competition, but this is a tremendous opportunity. In a very short time we will develop leaders in dentistry. This isn't just a mediocre school that's going to start -- it's a first-class, impressive school coming together."

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Great article. There is an article I read yesterday about how he started the Nevada Dentistry school. It mentioned that it the school is severly overbudget, rampant mismanagement, and the state would of been fine had it subsidized education in a different states like many other states.
 
Caverject said:
hey genius...it was about the dental school! :laugh:

IT mentioned the pharmacy school in passing. And one would think that the fate of the pharmacy school ought to color the opinion the reporter has of the dental school

The pharmacy college is well on its way toward accreditation," said the dental college's founding dean, Raymond Rawson, former director of dental programs in the University of Nevada System, who recently moved to Makakilo Heights.

she doth not challenge this enough
 
To the people who are planning to come back next year,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not under any circumstance come back. Dont let Hasan or Monroe manipulate you guys into paying $28,000 for nothing. They only want your money cant you see that. They have made our lives into living hell. This school will never be accredited with the people who are in charge right now. Dont full yourself into believing that the school might get accredited. In addition, the dental school is the same **** as our school. We are dealing with true criminals. For example, the dean of the dental school is a criminal. I could probably say many more things but I prefer not to at this moment. Don't let Dr. A, Hasan, Monroe make you believe that you can't get into any other place. They want to make you feel hopeless so you can come back. "If there is a will, there is a way".
 
ucrsandstorm said:
As many of you can see there are many students at HICP who are under the influence of the deception and manipulations at HICP. I have been a supporter of HICP since day one. I gave them a chance and had limited understanding about the accreditation process. I just wanted to go to school and become a pharmacist.

When I applied for admission, Monroe said the school was under USN and that they were affiliated. He also stated to me that if anything went wrong students could all transfer to NV (USN) and graduate from that school. After moving my life to HI, I found it to be untrue. However, the school continued to make promises like building a building and reassuring students that candidate status was "automatic". There was nothing to be worried about because HICP was doing everything that ACPE wanted and their application was spotless. If USN can do it then HICP could too. Does that sound familiar to HICP students now? I am not the only person that heard these promises and reassurances. After a while, I myself was reassuring other classmates that everything was ok, team work, Ohana. RIGHT?

Later, I began to question what was being done with student's tuition money. Where was it going? Why wasn't 100% of it used on the pharmacy school? Where did the money come from for the Dental program? Hasan said it was a grant. Which one? Maybe he's changing the story again.

What was truly going on? My classmates at least deserve to hear the truth. My classmates and I had hope and faith, many still hold on today. They hope that Hasan, Monroe, Criswell, and the corporation would do the right thing and ensure that the pharmacy program would be successful.

Based on evidence, this is not the case. In fact, Dr. Borja, Miyahara and Batz, all pharmacists, were the ones who understood and wanted to make sure things were done legitimately. In my opinion they were the gatekeepers and because of that they were eliminated by any means necessary, fired, made to or had to resign. What's even worse is they were made into scapegoats on WHY the school was failing. Students were saying Batz was a Nazi and failing students on purpose, Miyahara was looking for a job while interviewing faculty, and Borja was not doing her job finding sites (she actually was writing the ACPE reapplication because it "sucked" the first time). These allegations are completely misconstrued, another example of the manipulation. I'm sure the new associate dean Dr. A... wants to do that same as well but I highly doubt she knows the WHOLE story. When decisions got down to Money vs. Pharmacy education (Doing things the way ACPE had outlined previous) the school would try to cut corners and find the cheapest way out of the situation. What happened to the consultants that were promised to come to HICP to help the school with accreditation? Maybe it cost too much money.

Why not send everyone home and restart the program over? Why not refund student tuition? Why not build a good curriculum instead of throwing things together (in fact there were many instances where class was cancelled and not only in the past but up until the days that I had left in June, classes were cancelled or changed at the last minute)? Why not take the TIME and MONEY to do things right? Why? Maybe because Monroe, Hasan, Criswell, Banks, Nixon can't afford too.

The lecture hall has 240 folding chairs and several folding tables; the projectors don't even have the projector screens. If you sit in the back you cant see what the professor is teaching. The lights in the classroom don't turn off to see presentation or some lectures. The audio system was poor. You can't hear from the back without making the people in the front go deaf.

So where did all the money go? Who is watching over HICP student's money? Scott Banks? He is employed by the corp. If he cares about students then maybe he should make sure that money isn't being funnel into other accounts.

About my leadership abilities, except for a few good pharmacists, I highly doubt anyone could truly understand what I have been through trying to help my fellow classmates and work with this corporation. Anonymous emails would attempt to threaten and intimidate me for what I know and what I think is right. I even received one after I left, reminds me of Bias05. In the end I had to remember who I was and what I wanted to be, and what I stood for. I left with NO REFUND and TOOK MY LOSS. Staying at HICP was not the right place for me. I lead by example and could not expect anything to be done by others if I wasn't willing to do it myself.

HICP students YOU should contact the media, DCCA, and ACPE to discuss what's going on.

I also value the profession of pharmacy.

I just want to say that I have been in communication with ucrsandstorm for almost a year. I have no doubt that he is a good person and did everything he could for his class.

Being a leader is not easy but this quote from Donald Rumsfeld often provides me some solace, "If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much." Keep your head up.
 
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