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imperial frog said:
Allowing less than half the class to proceed to the second year isn't exactly what I would call a 100% passing rate.[/QUO
when i said "100% passing rate" i was refering back to the cummulative finals. Originally, if students passed all the tests, courses and finals then they are moving onto the 2nd yr regardless of the rank....
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Sorry I have no business here but this cracks me up what the school has posted on their website:

HAWAII COLLEGE OF PHARMACY™ IS NOT ACCREDITED
BY AN ACCREDITING AGENCY
RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES
SECRETARY OF EDUCATION.

Note: In the United States, many licensing authorities require accredited degrees as the basis for eligibility for licensing. In some cases, accredited colleges may not accept for transfer courses and degrees completed at unaccredited colleges, and some employers may require an accredited degree as a basis for eligibility for employment.
Copyright © 2003 Pacific Educational Services. All Rights Reserved.
 
Why the hell are people applying there????? I wonder if their new dental school will be a great success story like the pharmacy school 😉
 
This was from the STARBULLETIN Editorial page.

http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/15/editorial/indexeditorials2.html




Lack of certification
carries college risks
THE ISSUE
Students at a Kapolei pharmaceutical college are protesting the consequences of a planned reduction in students.

FAILURE of a new pharmaceutical college's attempt to gain prompt accreditation has caused friction at its Kapolei campus. An attempt to meet student-faculty ratio standards is disrupting many students' plans, and several students are accused of threatening violence. The troubles are a reminder that caveat emptor applies to college tuition as well as over-the-counter purchases.

The Hawaii College of Pharmacy opened last fall to an unexpectedly large student body of more than 230, even though it had only five full-time and four or five part-time faculty members. The Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education in Chicago advised the college in January to withdraw its accreditation application, and H.A. Hasan, the college's dean, has responded with a plan to sharply reduce the number of students.

Hasan told the Star-Bulletin's Stewart Yerton that only 100 of the students would be promoted to the second year of the three-year doctoral program. Another 100 would be required to repeat their first year, even if they passed their courses. Tuition would remain at $28,000 for both the advanced and repeat students, although the holdovers won't be charged for their fourth year.

Three students have been suspended for their protests, and Hasan is seeking an injunction against them in state court.

On its Web site, the college advises potential students that it has not been accredited, adding that many licensing authorities require accredited degrees, accredited colleges might not accept transfer credits and some employers might not hire them.

Hasan anticipates accreditation. An affiliated Hawaii College of Dental Medicine, scheduled to open in September 2006, will accept no more than 100 students and will not open if it has not been accredited, according to its dean, longtime Las Vegas dentist Raymond Rawson, a former Nevada state senator who was appointed in April to a $40,000-a-year position on the Nevada Gaming Commission.
 
hawaii90210 said:
Some new update on the school:
* we took the cummulative exam during the past 2 days and originally we need to score 240/300 in order to pass and move on the the next year. if we dont pass then we have the following weekend to do the remediation with the 5% increment. Guess what!!! we got our scores back this afternoon and NO ONE will remediate that test even if you score below 240 because they just changing plan again last minutes. they told us that the scores only use toward ranking purpose for now.

* Letters were given out to all individual students today after the cummulative finals explaining the appropriate steps to take for next year. basically there're 2 plans for the students.
1: if you are on the top 100 list, then you can either choose to move on and continue in fall 2005 or you can defer and guarantee a seat as a 2nd yr when you come back in fall 2006 (BUT this is just a verbal contract between students and Asst. dean of student services for now, nothing in writing yet.) However, if you choose to continue, you must pay 1000 deposit postmark by Aug 1, 2005, and half of your tuition by Aug 30 rather than the Sept 6 deadline...
2. if you are in the second list, you can choose to continue as FIRST YEAR student in Fall 2005 and dont have to pay tuition for that year. You just need to make a deposit of 1000 which Dr. Vu said "we'll reimburse that back to you in October, 2005" and pay 300 student services fee. IF you choose to defer, you will have to come back as FIRST year student in fall 2006 and need to meet the current pre-reqs for that admission cycle.

the 31 alternative list is no longer exits according to our dean because everyone just pass. No summer remediation at all and that also goes to the 14 sudents failed Dr. Belloto's kinetic and Pharmaceutics courses combined.
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So even if you failed courses and failed all remedations you still pass? haha, what an effing joke. God I hate this school more and more each day. I too have a feeling that sadam hasan and MR monroe read this forum regularly and the only reason they changed the policy of making P1 studnets pay again is because we made them realize how incredibly greedy and ridiculous that is.

I've made numerous warnings to pre dental students in their forum about HICP, yet only few have been quick enough to grasp whats going on, others are applying because like many at HICP its their only shot.

I hope we burn this piece of **** program to the ground.
 
bananaface said:
I am glad to see that HICDM is not going to open until accredited. That is a wise move.
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Yeah right, fat chance. We were all told by those ass clowns that they had pre-candidate status, they even had it on the website. Just because the EXTREMELY corrupt Ray "I love raising taxes and giving myself raises" Rawsin says they wont open until having accreditation doesnt mean jack. It is afterall the same exact corporation, owned by the same people, ran by the same jackasses. That is, CEO Criswell, COO Monroe and former state senator and fellow corruptee Jan Yagi-Buen.
 
JohnHICP said:
Just because the EXTREMELY corrupt Ray "I love raising taxes and giving myself raises" Rawsin ...
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Would that be an intentional, or a Freudian, mis-spelling?
 
The college's dean, H.A. Hasan, has said the plan was crafted with informal guidance from the ACPE in order to lower the college's teacher-to-student ratio.
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Ugh, do these people not understand fractions??? They need to _raise_ the teacher-to-student ratio, and _lower_ the student-to-teacher ratio. Is this not easy enough?

Can they do it once without screwing up?
 
BMBiology said:
YES! It seems like the reporter read this thread. Thank you!
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Actually BM, I have been working closely with Stewart. He is also in contact with several other students and we are all actively pursuing these criminals.

I especially love this paragraph, it sums up insurmountable reasons why HICP will NEVER gain accrediation from anyone, not even their own mothers.

"The Western Association of Schools and Colleges requires institutions to demonstrate a broad and stringent set of criteria, including stability, an ability to enable students to attain academic achievement, strategic planning and integrity, including "timely and fair responses to complaints and grievances." As described in the association's 145-page "Handbook of Accreditation," the process takes years, beginning with a preparatory review that takes place two years after the school has submitted its proposal. "

1. Broad and Stringent set of criteria and academic achievement. Umm, no? Handing out exam questions prior to exams, putting those exact questions on the test ver batum and having classes such as "communications, library research and history of pharmacy" is not exactly what I would call "stringent." How about holding students back who actually completed the proper coursework with passing grades, not exactly "academic achievement."

2. Stability? HAH! Firing every single faculty member member in a one month span, also firing one in the beinning of the year after just a few lectures? Thats about as stable as Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston.

3. Integrity. Dont even get me started. We have all heard about the lies and unethical behavior. Integrity, schmegrity.

4. Timely and fair responses to complaints and grievances. Well, at least they are doing the timely part. Expelling students immediately after hearing bogus fabrications. Trying to file false police reports and gain injunctions against your best students who only want whats right. Give me an effing break.

5. The process takes years, beginning with a preparatory review that takes place two years after the school has submitted its proposal. DO YOU HEAR THAT HICP STUDENTS WHO ARE COMING BACK!??!? Two effing years AFTER they FINALLY submit. Guess what, remember when sadam hasan told us they submitted to WASC and everything was on its way a few months ago? Total HORSE****. He blatently lied to each and every one of us to our faces AGAIN. How many more times will you get **** on before you realize they will never stop? Read this again, THE PROCESS TAKES YEARS, and thats just for regional accreditation, which means you wont be getting ANY federally funded student loans until that time either. Also, you wont be doing ANY rotations or interning until that time, so not only will you have to wait YEARS to do your 3rd year of residency, you'll also have to make up the TWO YEARS of rotations that you never got to do. THEN, you will have to make up enough hours to sit for the boards or get a license from your state.

WAKE THE F UP!!! Jump off the sinking ship now, we are trying to save you. Don't line these criminals' pockets any longer, they are raping you, get it through your heads!
 
"Yeah, we accepted everyone but we didn't expect everyone would come". -__-
 
jdpharmd? said:
"Hasan did not return calls for comment."
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Also notice in the other article, “Hasan declined to discuss the faculty departures.” It’s scary when the guy who has the answers is dodging these types of questions. When people read the articles they will only wonder what other things the school is hiding.
 
JohnHICP said:
Yeah right, fat chance. We were all told by those ass clowns that they had pre-candidate status, they even had it on the website. Just because the EXTREMELY corrupt Ray "I love raising taxes and giving myself raises" Rawsin says they wont open until having accreditation doesnt mean jack. It is afterall the same exact corporation, owned by the same people, ran by the same jackasses. That is, CEO Criswell, COO Monroe and former state senator and fellow corruptee Jan Yagi-Buen.
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Actually, Jan Yagi-Buen was no longer part of the school when we, students, showed up. We have never seen or heard or ever been introduced to Jan Yagi-Buen.I've heard that maybe something had happened to her before any of us came to Hawaii.
As for her name listed on the corporations which were dissolved in Feb 2005, that would be another good question for Monroe & Hasan to answer...
 
mini.bmp
 
Well, for the students of HICP who still firmly believe in the school and are willing to return to give them more money, then you should stay here until it collapses on you.

Many on this thread have tried to state facts that we know are true and you've chosen to ignore them. ("You choose to chastize the man instead" quote by Monroe :laugh: :laugh: ). We have tried to assist you in making an educated decision regarding what to do about your situation, but you've chosen to ingnore us. So I for one, will no longer try to do you a favor (b/c you don't want it) of waking you up from your comatose state. Best wishes and Good luck ever becoming anything here at HICP.

P.S. For those of you who didn't make the TOP 100; YOU CAN HAVE MY SPOT!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀 🙂
 
Can someone at HICP (students) explain why the website isnt working? Only the mainpage is on. All the links been down for a few weeks now. I was looking for its curriculum.
 
why didn't everyone at HICP just apply to an accreddited school in the first place?
 
It sounds from what Hawaii90120 reported earlier that students returning as first-year students won't have to pay tuition after all. Is this true?

Anyone who knows anything about this first-hand, please call me at 808-529-4769. Or you can e-mail me at [email protected].

I'm reporting on all of this for one of the Honolulu daily newspapers and would like to follow up on this point. If it's true, it looks like the administration has slightly altered its plan, and this would be worth noting.

Anyone else with any others knowledge, ideas, insight, questions etc. can contact me as well.

Aloha,
Stewart
 
Stewart_Yerton said:
It sounds from what Hawaii90120 reported earlier that students returning as first-year students won't have to pay tuition after all. Is this true?

Anyone who knows anything about this first-hand, please call me at 808-529-4769. Or you can e-mail me at [email protected].

I'm reporting on all of this for one of the Honolulu daily newspapers and would like to follow up on this point. If it's true, it looks like the administration has slightly altered its plan, and this would be worth noting.

Anyone else with any others knowledge, ideas, insight, questions etc. can contact me as well.

Aloha,
Stewart
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio
 
State probes Hawaii College of Pharmacy

Kristen Consillio
Pacific Business News

The state is investigating the Hawaii College of Pharmacy in Kapolei for alleged unfair and deceptive business practices.

The investigation stems from complaints by some of the 240 students who have paid $28,000 each -- a total of $6.72 million -- in annual tuition for a three-year doctorate program, which was denied accreditation. Students are worried that without accreditation they will be left with worthless degrees and unable to work as pharmacists.

The Hawaii College of Pharmacy, operated by Nevada-based Pacific Educational Services, opened last October and has since struggled to get accreditation after quietly enrolling 240 students -- far more than any startup pharmacy school ever enrolled in its first class.

Pacific Educational Services is the same company that plans to build Hawaii's first dental school, also in Kapolei.

The Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education, the national accrediting agency for pharmacy degree programs, rejected the college's accreditation request and in January instructed it to withdraw its application primarily because of its unprecedented class size. A typical startup program opens with between 60 and 80 students.

Other problems include a revolving door of administrators and qualified faculty and inadequate teaching facilities and training sites.

The state Office of Consumer Protection, which oversees unaccredited universities, is investigating a wide range of allegations based on student complaints. If a business is deemed guilty of violating the law, the office can file a civil lawsuit asking the court to intervene to prevent further violations, require restitution to victims and impose civil penalties. Hawaii has no licensing requirements for unaccredited universities and therefore little oversight.

"The primary problem does focus on accreditation," said Jeffrey Brunton, staff attorney for the Office of Consumer Protection. "These students can't take the pharmacy licensing exam unless they graduate from a school which is either accredited or has candidate status. If the school doesn't get accredited these students will spend presumably $100,000 [on tuition and living expenses for three years] and they won't be able to work as pharmacists."

The school opened without going through the normal accreditation process by skipping the first step -- pre-candidate status, which is granted before a school admits any students as long as its plans meet basic accreditation standards. Instead, the college enrolled students and directly applied for candidate status, which is granted if a school reasonably assures that a program will become fully accredited by the time the first class graduates.

"In the meantime they enrolled 240 students, many times larger than any new college of pharmacy has ever enrolled," said Jerry Johnson, project director for the proposed University of Hawaii College of Pharmacy. "There are serious concerns about the way the college developed by deans of colleges of pharmacy all over the country because they cut corners and haven't done the things one normally does in creating a college of pharmacy to ensure the quality is there."

The UH College of Pharmacy is planned for UH-Hilo. Johnson expects to recommend dean candidates to the Board of Regents in September. The opening date has not been determined.
 
The accrediting agency also has received numerous complaints from students at the private Kapolei college -- 95 percent of whom are from the Mainland and moved to Hawaii to attend the startup school. The college is operating in temporary leased lecture-hall classrooms and has yet to break ground on a proposed 5.7-acre campus. The students also can't get financial aid because the school is unaccredited.

Many students, who asked that their names not be published for fear of retribution, say school officials deceived them by taking their tuition and making empty promises regarding accreditation and the quality of the faculty and facilities.

"They knowingly misrepresented themselves when they knew that it was a joke and told us millions of times that everything would be fine even though they had no faculty, no rotation sites and too many students," said John Quinn, a former student who left the school in April after being informed the first graduating class would be delayed at least six months. "They're taking all of our money and giving us nothing in return."

Meanwhile, Pacific Educational Services, a private for-profit organization, plans to open a 120,000-square-foot Hawaii College of Dental Medicine next year and has openly discussed plans to start a nursing school as well. The company says it will spend $100 million to build the pharmacy and dental colleges totaling almost 300,000 square feet.

Students took a chance

The current dean of the private pharmacy school admits that enrolling in the college was a gamble for students.

"Students really took a chance spending $28,000 and then coming here and living here," said Dean H.A. Hasan, a former Waipahu High School special education teacher who became dean of the pharmacy college on July 1. "But they knew it was very much understood that this was a startup institution."

Hasan, who had been the assistant dean of curriculum, says the college didn't receive accreditation because it didn't have enough faculty and training sites and skipped pre-candidate status because of a mix-up with its former deans.

"The school started with that many students by accident -- we didn't feel that many students were going to come here," he said. "We had been behind the eight ball since I got here. It's been a very rough road and very hostile situation in many ways."

Hasan says enrollment has dropped to 231 students.

In recent months, at least eight college faculty, staff and administrators were either fired or resigned for reasons that weren't disclosed.
 
Hasan says problems began when the college made many, in his words, "bad hires" who didn't recruit more faculty and contract training sites. He says the college recently hired 13 part-time faculty and 13 full-time faculty and now has more than 155 practice sites.

"They've had a revolving door of administrators who are there one day and gone the next," UH's Johnson said. "I don't think the instability in the administration gives the accrediting body the confidence that they know what they're doing."

Students also are complaining about inadequate facilities and unqualified teachers who don't have pharmacy backgrounds. When students started at the school, Denise Criswell, Pacific Educational Services president, and David Monroe, corporation secretary and a former librarian, even taught pharmacy classes.

Former Maui state Sen. Jan Yagi-Buen is a director in other dissolved corporations started by Monroe and Criswell and was involved with the pharmacy school early on. Monroe and Yagi-Buen didn't return PBN's phone calls for comment.

"They assured us it would be a cake-walk process with no problems whatsoever because they had everything in place, so many great faculty members, and none of it was true," Quinn said.

Reducing class size

The college has proposed numerous plans to break up class size to fulfill accreditation requirements and keep students enrolled. Hasan says the college plans to reapply for candidate status on Oct. 1.

Among the plans that have been proposed by the college was a voluntary student deferment, meaning 100 students would stay at the school while 140 would voluntarily defer until the next class enrolls. Another proposal was a "save the college lottery," which would force half the student body to defer a year. A third plan was to partner with National University, which offers a pharmacy technician program but no doctorate degree.

The latest plan is to allow the top 100 students to return as second-year students, graduating as planned in 2007; placing the next 100 as first-year remediated students, graduating in 2008; and forcing the remaining students to start over in a year. Students repeating the first year have been asked to pay next year's tuition but wouldn't have to pay for a fourth year.

Meanwhile, the planned Pacific Educational Services' dental school is scheduled to break ground this fall.

"If they're going to do a dental college like they did the pharmacy college, Hawaii's getting a terrible reputation for operating like an offshore medical school," Johnson said. "They made a mess of the pharmacy program. We don't want to get a reputation of providing second-class health-care education in Hawaii."
 
I predict within 1 year, HICP will declare bankruptcy to protect itself from civil lawsuits.
 
Stewart_Yerton said:
It sounds from what Hawaii90120 reported earlier that students returning as first-year students won't have to pay tuition after all. Is this true?

Anyone who knows anything about this first-hand, please call me at 808-529-4769. Or you can e-mail me at [email protected].

I'm reporting on all of this for one of the Honolulu daily newspapers and would like to follow up on this point. If it's true, it looks like the administration has slightly altered its plan, and this would be worth noting.

Anyone else with any others knowledge, ideas, insight, questions etc. can contact me as well.

Aloha,
Stewart
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Stewart,
That is true!!! the 2nd list of students, which is student 101-200 will have to repeat their first year over regardless that they passed everything and i meant EVERY single tests, courses, even final. However, they dont have to pay for tuition for that year (fall 2006). the only fee they need to pay is 300 student services fee and a deposit of 1000 but will be refund back when school starts. and on top of this, Defer or Continue, these students still have to REPEAT 1st year over again. No exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!
the 1st list of students (top 100) have an option to defer for a year or to come back as a PY2 student. They do need to pay a 1000 deposit by Aug1, and make the first payment of 13300 by Aug 30 and the second payment of 14000 by Jan 15, 2006.
 
BMBiology said:
I predict within 1 year, HICP will declare bankruptcy to protect itself from civil lawsuits.
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I have a feeling that something like that will happen too, but declaring bankruptcy isn't a magic fix-all, and they can still be taken to court, poked, and prodded for other things. Hopefully they can find some criminally wrong actions on HICP's part... those wouldn't go away.
 
hawaii90210 said:
Stewart,

the 1st list of students (top 100) have an option to defer for a year or to come back as a PY2 student. They do need to pay a 1000 deposit by Aug1, and make the first payment of 13300 by Aug 30 and the second payment of 14000 by Jan 15, 2006.
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I have a feeling that the "list of top 100 students" will quickly turn into a "list of top 15 of the original 100 top students". Anyone with half a brain is leaving ASAP. If they are smart enough to be in the top 40% of the class, they are smart enough to smell a rat. Chances are, if you are the 200th student, and you want to stay, and you have $29,000; you can stay.

Pageman's quote [that he would really like to stay and finish for two more years] is (IMHO) only intended to pacify HICP people who filed the restraining order against him and suspended him. I'm sure that he would like to see it burned to the ground, but he's not going to be quoted as such. I'm 95% sure that he did a year of pre-professional at Midwestern CPG, and once he was accepted to HICP, he didn't even show up for his MWU-CPG interview. In retrospect, perhaps that wasn't such a good idea. I like the fact that he has the guts to say something, even if Hasan has to come to his house to yell at him or whatever...

Who pulls Hasan's strings? It's not as if he owns HICP himself.... he has a boss too. Who is encouraging him do all of this stuff?

Nice media exposure lately. Keep it up, and get some on TV! We all know that people believe everything they see on TV. 😉
 
jd: "Who pulls Hasan's strings? It's not as if he owns HICP himself.... he has a boss too. Who is encouraging him do all of this stuff?"

It is OBVIOU$ that Hasan is motivated by money and is in it only for monetary reasons. From Spec. Ed. teacher at Waipahu High School to Dean at a Doctor of Pharmacy college....you are talking about a 5X increase in pay. Agree?

Anyhow, the inexperienced, uncivilized, and VERY unqualified owners/founders of HICP are whom make this dawg, saddam hasan, bark.
 
jdpharmd? said:
Who pulls Hasan's strings? It's not as if he owns HICP himself.... he has a boss too. Who is encouraging him do all of this stuff?
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To answer that question is very simple. His boss is the ever infamous Monroe & Criswell. He doesn't know a THING about running a school, let alone a pharmacy school. It doesn't surprise me that Monroe & Hasan are acting they way they do.By they way, this has happened more than once to other students except those students were smart enough to figure it out and made sure they didn't get caught under the ax. Unfortunately, the boys were a victims of their THREATS that they actually carried out.

If you are not a student who bows down their head and follows their lies, then you will be executed, terminated, etc. I can only imagine what ACPE is going to say to them next year in January 2006.
 
DayDreamer said:
I can only imagine what ACPE is going to say to them next year in January 2006.
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I wish there was a microphone in that room! I would love to hear what they have to say and if they grill saddam.

Wonderful article by Kristen. She really brought up some key points and got a lot of information out there, and the quote from saddam hasan just further shows how much an dingus and liar he is. Yes, we knew it was a new school, but we were told you had pre-candidate status and YOU yourself assured us numerous times not to worry because you were "working on it." What a piece of crap.
 
JohnHICP said:
I wish there was a microphone in that room! I would love to hear what they have to say and if they grill saddam.

Wonderful article by Kristen. She really brought up some key points and got a lot of information out there, and the quote from saddam hasan just further shows how much an dingus and liar he is. Yes, we knew it was a new school, but we were told you had pre-candidate status and YOU yourself assured us numerous times not to worry because you were "working on it." What a piece of crap.
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I agree!! 🙄
it's Masae!
 
User8963 said:
why didn't everyone at HICP just apply to an accreddited school in the first place?
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HOW DO YOU THINK THOSE ACCREDITED SCHOOLS GOT ACCREDITED? DUH!
 
ZhengYing said:
HOW DO YOU THINK THOSE ACCREDITED SCHOOLS GOT ACCREDITED? DUH!
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Ummm... maybe by following the protocols of the accrediting organization, rather than blatantly and repeatedly disregarding them? Duh.
 
pharmaz88 said:
Ummm... maybe by following the protocols of the accrediting organization, rather than blatantly and repeatedly disregarding them? Duh.
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After thinking about it again, the students could'nt possibly have known the school was a complete sham from the ground up at that time. It is only now with coordinated efforts that all this other information is coming to light. Regardless, with or without knowing the details of HICP's particular situation, going to an unaccredited school is a gamble. In this case, the price was very high(for some).Someone said that a representative for ACPE told them that no school has ever been denied full accredidation status, did she take into account that if you forced to withdraw your application when its deemed unacceptable that you can never reach denied status? OF course there would be an 100% acceptance rate.
 
J Lucas said:
After thinking about it again, the students could'nt possibly have known the school was a complete sham from the ground up at that time. It is only now with coordinated efforts that all this other information is coming to light. Regardless, with or without knowing the details of HICP's particular situation, going to an unaccredited school is a gamble. In this case, the price was very high(for some).Someone said that a representative for ACPE told them that no school has ever been denied full accredidation status, did she take into account that if you forced to withdraw your application when its deemed unacceptable that you can never reach denied status? OF course there would be an 100% acceptance rate.
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The real issue is not whether the students who enrolled in HICP took a risk, but rather if they took an informed risk. I think that there is general acceptance that enrolling in the first year at a new school carries with it risk; however, it is the obligation of the administration at such an institution to provide "full disclosure" to their prospective students.

My understanding is that there is some doubt about the information that incoming students received from the administration at HICP. I know for a fact that many students were misled to think that HICP was in some way associated/affiliated with the University of Southern Nevada (then NVCP) College of Pharmacy (perhaps because everything on their website at that time was taken virtually verbatim from USN's website and perhaps because their program was structured exactly the same and perhaps because the founders had once been employed by USN). The misunderstanding was so widespread that USN felt obligated to put a disclaimer on their website stating that they were in no way affiliated with HICP.

Many moons ago, their website had a statement regarding accreditation that was also quite misleading and did not portray their accreditation status accurately. It has since been changed, and I don't recall the exact wording, but I suspect that ACPE strongly suggested that they change it (I don't think they did it of their own accord).

Students were also misled (and may still not have an accurate picture) regarding the financial aid picture. Originally, students thought they would be able to receive financial aid, then prospective lenders backed out when they found out about the lack of accreditation status. Then they went to the "Have your family take a second mortgage out on their house" financial aid plan. And now, I believe that students may have the mistaken impression that candidate status with ACPE brings with it the availability of Federal Financial Aid. It does not. The US Dept of Ed website has a nice listing of all accreditation agencies recognized by them with a notation as to whether or not accreditation from that agency brings with it eligibility for Title IV Federally Guaranteed student loans. ACPE accreditation does not.

It seems as if students have also been misled regarding new ACPE standards regarding regional accreditation. My sense is that students think that HICP will be "grandfathered" in. That is not the case. Some of the media articles have had quotes from a representative of ACPE that accurately address and assess HICP's situation in that regard.

These are just a few of the observations I've made over the past year of reading this forum and hearing from current and former students at HICP. I don't think it's helpful to place the blame on unsuspecting students and I think the quote from Hasan in one of the articles stating that the students knew the risks is reprehensible, when it is clear that the students were not fully informed.
 
HICP's website has changed again. What happened? I'm trying to access its curriculum to compare it to other schools' programs.
 
gulliblepharmer said:
HICP's website has changed again. What happened? I'm trying to access its curriculum to compare it to other schools' programs.
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They know the school is going down hill so they're trying to hide their tracks.
 
Why is HICP lying again? Hasn't their website been down for the past 1 or 2 months? Why are they saying this:

"Monday, July 18, 2005. Our website is currently under construction. Please bear with us as we begin the transition to a newer, updated website. If you have questions regarding admissions and general information, please do not hesitate to call Student Services at (808) 674-9996, Assistant Dean of Student Services at (808) 674-8765 or the Dean's Office at (808) 674-8110."


That's a pretty deceptive message.
 
Can someone from HICP tell me how their curriculum is like?
 
quacker said:
They know the school is going down hill so they're trying to hide their tracks.
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I'm not so sure that is intended as strategy

I think they are really jsut having problems keeping their act together period.

if anyone reads free republic i posted the story there ..tho there wasnt too much interest wheni posted the first story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1446203/posts
 
lisi said:
The real issue is not whether the students who enrolled in HICP took a risk, but rather if they took an informed risk. I think that there is general acceptance that enrolling in the first year at a new school carries with it risk; however, it is the obligation of the administration at such an institution to provide "full disclosure" to their prospective students.

My understanding is that there is some doubt about the information that incoming students received from the administration at HICP. I know for a fact that many students were misled to think that HICP was in some way associated/affiliated with the University of Southern Nevada (then NVCP) College of Pharmacy (perhaps because everything on their website at that time was taken virtually verbatim from USN's website and perhaps because their program was structured exactly the same and perhaps because the founders had once been employed by USN). The misunderstanding was so widespread that USN felt obligated to put a disclaimer on their website stating that they were in no way affiliated with HICP.

Many moons ago, their website had a statement regarding accreditation that was also quite misleading and did not portray their accreditation status accurately. It has since been changed, and I don't recall the exact wording, but I suspect that ACPE strongly suggested that they change it (I don't think they did it of their own accord).

Students were also misled (and may still not have an accurate picture) regarding the financial aid picture. Originally, students thought they would be able to receive financial aid, then prospective lenders backed out when they found out about the lack of accreditation status. Then they went to the "Have your family take a second mortgage out on their house" financial aid plan. And now, I believe that students may have the mistaken impression that candidate status with ACPE brings with it the availability of Federal Financial Aid. It does not. The US Dept of Ed website has a nice listing of all accreditation agencies recognized by them with a notation as to whether or not accreditation from that agency brings with it eligibility for Title IV Federally Guaranteed student loans. ACPE accreditation does not.

It seems as if students have also been misled regarding new ACPE standards regarding regional accreditation. My sense is that students think that HICP will be "grandfathered" in. That is not the case. Some of the media articles have had quotes from a representative of ACPE that accurately address and assess HICP's situation in that regard.

These are just a few of the observations I've made over the past year of reading this forum and hearing from current and former students at HICP. I don't think it's helpful to place the blame on unsuspecting students and I think the quote from Hasan in one of the articles stating that the students knew the risks is reprehensible, when it is clear that the students were not fully informed.
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This is exactly how we thought at the time. They kept feeding us lies even after we found out the truth. Sometimes, they even forget what lie they have told us!

Sad to say that some students are staying because their parents have a lot of money to blow off.
 
gulliblepharmer said:
Can someone from HICP tell me how their curriculum is like?
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Simple, before the exams, you get all of the questions and answers and all you have to do is memorize them. Somehow, some people are so ******ed that they cannot even do this correctly, so you have FOUR (4!) chances to pass the EXACT SAME exam. Real tough curriculum huh?

Lisi is precisely correct, the administration fed so many lies to us that they assured everyone things would be fine. Anyone who says "students should have known better" is being ignorant. Yes, we should have done more research, I agree. However, with what we were told and having things "in place", we felt confident in their lies. Obviously, most of us have now awoken from our hypnotism and we are fighting to shut this scam down. Please help us by reporting anything you know to the DCCA and OCP to further aid their investigation.
 
Everyone, please do call them. I'm sure they would love the extra publicity.

You can use the internet way back machine to get to some pages of their old sites.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041121061913/http://www.hicp.org/

Try that.

gulliblepharmer said:
Why is HICP lying again? Hasn't their website been down for the past 1 or 2 months? Why are they saying this:

"Monday, July 18, 2005. Our website is currently under construction. Please bear with us as we begin the transition to a newer, updated website. If you have questions regarding admissions and general information, please do not hesitate to call Student Services at (808) 674-9996, Assistant Dean of Student Services at (808) 674-8765 or the Dean's Office at (808) 674-8110."


That's a pretty deceptive message.
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jdpharmd? said:
Everyone, please do call them. I'm sure they would love the extra publicity.

You can use the internet way back machine to get to some pages of their old sites.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041121061913/http://www.hicp.org/

Try that.
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It seems like HICP is in damage control right now. They read SDN and are changing things to make students believe that they are doing good things. I'm sure the news is spreading like wild fire. I hope new students don't have to go through what students went through this year.

If the school is so confident about candidate status then make them put their money where their mouths are. Guarantee it to students. If HICP doesn't get candidate status this year your tuition is free. It doesn't make sense to pay for a degree that useless. Its a business right? Why not give a warranty? Hyundai gives out warranties, why can't HICP?

By the way, to all the students who are standing up and taking a stand good for you!
 
Just a general question.....

How many times can you apply for candidate status when you skip pre-candidate?
 
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