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There is no perfect solution. But once again - the American people (lower to middle class) gets the short end of the stick.

This lockdown was a concerted effort to shutter small business, reduce the number of colleges
Study up dude. There is no herd immunity for any of the 7 Corona Viruses that infect human beings. If we had a competant government we would have done everything to boost testing. Testing and contact tracing would have allowed us to escape the draconian measures needed to flatten the curve. It was totally successful. We came within a whisker of overwhelming the healthcare system. If you think we would have surviced w/o the lock down you have been taking some serious acid or watching Fox News....



Substitute testing for breaking through and you get the idea. A massive government effort is what is required.


I'm not making this up, expert epidemiologists have concluded that because this virus has most likely infected 30% of the population already we could have been on our way to reaching herd immunity if at least 80% were infected.


For those interested in a different perspective other than the nonsense spewed by media and data that has been misrepresented. The national and global response to this "deadly virus" goes against microbiology 101 and basic principles of epidemiology. These Youtube videos present expert opinion, not a software engineer whose only solution to this is social distancing and a vaccine.
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Watch previous episodes of Perspectives on the Pandemic here:

Episode 1: https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw
Episode 2: https://youtu.be/lGC5sGdz4kg (Currently Offline) Available on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/perspectives...
Episode 3: https://youtu.be/VK0Wtjh3HVA
Episode 4: https://youtu.be/cwPqmLoZA4s
Episode 5: https://youtu.be/k0Q4naYOYDw
Episode 6: https://youtu.be/3f0VRtY9oTs
Episode 7: https://youtu.be/2JbOvjtnPpE


And, read Wittkowski's study here: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715
 
This lockdown was a concerted effort to shutter small business, reduce the number of colleges


I'm not making this up, expert epidemiologists have concluded that because this virus has most likely infected 30% of the population already we could have been on our way to reaching herd immunity if at least 80% were infected.


For those interested in a different perspective other than the nonsense spewed by media and data that has been misrepresented. The national and global response to this "deadly virus" goes against microbiology 101 and basic principles of epidemiology. These Youtube videos present expert opinion, not a software engineer whose only solution to this is social distancing and a vaccine.
Journeyman Pictures

Watch previous episodes of Perspectives on the Pandemic here:

Episode 1: https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw
Episode 2: https://youtu.be/lGC5sGdz4kg (Currently Offline) Available on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/perspectives...
Episode 3: https://youtu.be/VK0Wtjh3HVA
Episode 4: https://youtu.be/cwPqmLoZA4s
Episode 5: https://youtu.be/k0Q4naYOYDw
Episode 6: https://youtu.be/3f0VRtY9oTs
Episode 7: https://youtu.be/2JbOvjtnPpE


And, read Wittkowski's study here: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715
No one in their right mind is watching any of those hour long videos you posted.
 
No one in their right mind is watching any of those hour long videos you posted.

Yes they are very long but contain a wealth of concrete information. Obtaining the truth is a strenuous and elusive endeavor. Not many want to take this arduous task. That's why the masses are forever stuck in the matrix.
 
Yes they are very long but contain a wealth of concrete information. Obtaining the truth is a strenuous and elusive endeavor. Not many want to take this arduous task. That's why the masses are forever stuck in the matrix.

Haha now we’re talking! The blue pill or the red pill?
 
We know the death rate for the flu is 0.1%. What is an “acceptable” death rate for covid-19 for us to go on with our regular life?
 
We know the death rate for the flu is 0.1%. What is an “acceptable” death rate for covid-19 for us to go on with our regular life?
We didn't have to crater the economy. That was the choice that was made by our dear leader. The Mornon -di tuti *****. All they had to do was tell the employers to continue paying their workers and the government would reimburse them. Simple elegant and easy. put a fruad kicker in there with the person committing the fraud gets 50 years in prison and your good to go. Bad economic policy does not mean the public health policy was bad.
 
This one article destroys his credibility. There is only ONE strain of Sars-coV-2

There is one, and only one strain of SARS-CoV-2

In the video which has different dates on it he never claims that there are more strains. He was investigating if there were possibly more strains.

He doesn't believe in the lethality of the virus as portrayed by Fauci and WHO because the data shows otherwise.

It would be contradictory for him to say there were more strains of the virus
 
And there is no herd immunity for the other coronoviruses because no one is getting infected by them. They somehow disappeared like the first SARS.

The point is that this virus is akin to the seasonal flu virus and should either disappear like the others or the population will obtain herd immunity. Respiratory epidemics have only a limited course that they can take.
 
In the video which has different dates on it he never claims that there are more strains. He was investigating if there were possibly more strains.

He doesn't believe in the lethality of the virus as portrayed by Fauci and WHO because the data shows otherwise.

It would be contradictory for him to say there were more strains of the virus
Read my post. I took out the videos and used the Journal article you posted. The lethality data we have is what we have. All we can do is go with what we have now. Until there is more testing to increase the denominator this is the data we have. Like I said, the doctors I have been following in NYC seem to think it's 1-2% which is still 10-20 times for deadly than seasonal flu.
 
We didn't have to crater the economy. That was the choice that was made by our dear leader. The Mornon -di tuti *****. All they had to do was tell the employers to continue paying their workers and the government would reimburse them. Simple elegant and easy. put a fruad kicker in there with the person committing the fraud gets 50 years in prison and your good to go. Bad economic policy does not mean the public health policy was bad.


I'm not a Trump supporter but the course of action taken was repeated by many word leaders. I'm baffled by the concerted effort and no hesitation by most countries to tank their national economies.
 
And there is no herd immunity for the other coronoviruses because no one is getting infected by them. They somehow disappeared like the first SARS.

The point is that this virus is akin to the seasonal flu virus and should either disappear like the others or the population will obtain herd immunity. Respiratory epidemics have only a limited course that they can take.

Really, your handle is correct. You are a Lazy Pharmacist.

  1. 229E (alpha coronavirus)
  2. NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
  3. OC43 (beta coronavirus)
  4. HKU1 (beta coronavirus)
These are the 4 Corona viruses that cause the common cold. There is no vaccine and no herd immunity. They don't disappear.

As for SARS, it was too deadly to spread that;s why it petered out. This sucker can ride along and spread without affecting some people. We don't yet know why.
 
I'm not a Trump supporter but the course of action taken was repeated by many word leaders. I'm baffled by the concerted effort and no hesitation by most countries to tank their national economies.
Because they are all stupid and you are smart.
 
You are claiming that this President is stupid, not me
Reading comprehension appears to be an issue. My sarcastic comment was that the enire world was stupid and you were smart that's why almost all countries cratered their economies while you would not.

Note, South Korea didn't crater their economy. They went with the test, trace, isolate formula......
 
If more people get infected, doesn’t that mean the virus has more opportunities to mutate into something that is more deadly?
 
Reading comprehension appears to be an issue. My sarcastic comment was that the enire world was stupid and you were smart that's why almost all countries cratered their economies while you would not.

Note, South Korea didn't crater their economy. They went with the test, trace, isolate formula......

Your previous post stated that Trump ruined the economy. My point was that it wasn't only him but most other leaders did.

South Korea seems to be the exception but time will tell, they are seeing new cases popping up
 
If more people get infected, doesn’t that mean the virus has more opportunities to mutate into something that is more deadly?
Usually respiratory viruses get weaker as more people get exposed to it
 
We didn't have to crater the economy. That was the choice that was made by our dear leader. The Mornon -di tuti *****. All they had to do was tell the employers to continue paying their workers and the government would reimburse them. Simple elegant and easy. put a fruad kicker in there with the person committing the fraud gets 50 years in prison and your good to go. Bad economic policy does not mean the public health policy was bad.

What’s a “Mornon -di tuti *****”?
 
I'm not a Trump supporter but the course of action taken was repeated by many word leaders. I'm baffled by the concerted effort and no hesitation by most countries to tank their national economies.

Huge agreement here.. I have come to the realization that I can not believe anything that my television, media, or politicians tell me.. I don’t trust any of it.

With that being said, when this whole thing rolled out back in March - I decided to watch the rest of the worlds response (UK, Europe, Africa, India, etc) and it was all uniformly “shut it all down cause this thing is horrible!”

In all honesty, it really did not turned out to be the way it was portrayed at the start. Something just seems off here to me... I am still being very careful as I have 4 children to protect.. But every day, more and more, my question is turning into - “wtf is going on here?”

That’s just what my gut says.
 
Huge agreement here.. I have come to the realization that I can not believe anything that my television, media, or politicians tell me.. I don’t trust any of it.

With that being said, when this whole thing rolled out back in March - I decided to watch the rest of the worlds response (UK, Europe, Africa, India, etc) and it was all uniformly “shut it all down cause this thing is horrible!”

In all honesty, it really did not turned out to be the way it was portrayed at the start. Something just seems off here to me... I am still being very careful as I have 4 children to protect.. But every day, more and more, my question is turning into - “wtf is going on here?”

That’s just what my gut says.
Exactly, it was as if this whole thing was planned. The pandemic was used as a pretext for the global lockdown under the guise of public health. Consequentially the global economy crashes and the only way out is through a miraculous vaccine promised to us by the much beloved Bill and Melinda Gates foundation
 
Exactly, it was as if this whole thing was planned. The pandemic was used as a pretext for the global lockdown under the guise of public health. Consequentially the global economy crashes and the only way out is through a miraculous vaccine promised to us by the much beloved Bill and Melinda Gates foundation


Haha. It's one of those qanon people.

That's right. Bill Gates is trying to microchip us all. You're not the crazy one, everyone else is. Don't let that meanie OldTimer bully you. Stand up for the truth.

JFKJr is still alive. Hillary runs a pedo ring. There are slave children under Central Park.

Globalists won't have anywhere to run once The Great Awakening pops off. #wwg1wga
 
Every time someone mentions conspiracies and starts talking about the matrix

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If more people get infected, doesn’t that mean the virus has more opportunities to mutate into something that is more deadly?
No. RNA viruses have frequent errors in translation and it rarely causes a change in viral activity.
 
Exactly, it was as if this whole thing was planned. The pandemic was used as a pretext for the global lockdown under the guise of public health. Consequentially the global economy crashes and the only way out is through a miraculous vaccine promised to us by the much beloved Bill and Melinda Gates foundation
No it actually worked, at least in the USA. The entire purpose of the exercise is to flatten the curve so the hospital system would not be over-run. We were successful, just barely, but we were successful.
 
Study up dude. There is no herd immunity for any of the 7 Corona Viruses that infect human beings. If we had a competant government we would have done everything to boost testing. Testing and contact tracing would have allowed us to escape the draconian measures needed to flatten the curve. It was totally successful. We came within a whisker of overwhelming the healthcare system. If you think we would have surviced w/o the lock down you have been taking some serious acid or watching Fox News....



Substitute testing for breaking through and you get the idea. A massive government effort is what is required.

“We” would have largely ok, with an amount of deaths that would have been emotionally difficult and tragic but wouldn’t end society.
 
Haha. It's one of those qanon people.

That's right. Bill Gates is trying to microchip us all. You're not the crazy one, everyone else is. Don't let that meanie OldTimer bully you. Stand up for the truth.

JFKJr is still alive. Hillary runs a pedo ring. There are slave children under Central Park.

Globalists won't have anywhere to run once The Great Awakening pops off. #wwg1wga

Don't forget the planet is flat!
 
Good lord. The idiots that believe Gates is out to get us all^. Hilariously ironic you talk about microbiology 101 and you are against a guy who donates immunizations to poverty-stricken countries.... ffs he's helped us get near to eliminating polio worldwide.

Gates has donated more to 3rd world countries than anyone ever, saved more lives than imaginable, and you idiots think he's out to do bad things. Blows my mind you got a PharmD or any education past elementary school.
 
Good lord. The idiots that believe Gates is out to get us all^. Hilariously ironic you talk about microbiology 101 and you are against a guy who donates immunizations to poverty-stricken countries.... ffs he's helped us get near to eliminating polio worldwide.

Gates has donated more to 3rd world countries than anyone ever, saved more lives than imaginable, and you idiots think he's out to do bad things. Blows my mind you got a PharmD or any education past elementary school.

I would like to add that, although I am becoming skeptical in many ways, I have not adopted any sort of conspiracy theory. In fact, I have not adopted any theory on this at all - I don’t buy the media cover story and I don’t buy any conspiracy theory out there either. I don’t even know what Qanon is and the only opinion I have about Bill Gates is to say that my favorite version of windows was Windows 98... But that’s just me.

With that said - I am starting to step back and observe the way things are developing. All I can say is things have gotten really weird, really fast.. And why the hell do we, as a people, constantly have to find reasons to hate other? Even wearing a mask has become a republican vs Democrat issue.. I think I heard somewhere - “can’t we all just get along?”.

I’m telling you right now - apocalyptic virus or not - if we don’t figure out how to be more compassionate with each other we are in trouble.. some serious sh** it at play here and I can’t quite put my finger on it.
 
Windows 98?! Pfff Windows XP FTW!

Haha yea - maybe that was the version I was thinking about. It was the version right before windows went to the new trendy format that caters to touch screen, which I can’t stand. I think that was XP
 
Huge agreement here.. I have come to the realization that I can not believe anything that my television, media, or politicians tell me.. I don’t trust any of it.

All I know is one week everyone was like no you don't need to wear a mask (it's only for those already sick) to literally the next day everyone wear a mask if you go outside and some shops now have it as mandatory.
 
All I know is one week everyone was like no you don't need to wear a mask (it's only for those already sick) to literally the next day everyone wear a mask if you go outside and some shops now have it as mandatory.
Makes sense. It would be stupid for business owners to set themselves up for a liability issue
 
Here goes my diatribe. It's easy to label ideas that you don't agree with as conspiracy theories. Just because something sounds outlandish or improbable doesn't mean its false. The passage of time usually paints a different picture and what was once considered unrealistic becomes reality. Here are a few poignant examples of historical events that as they were unfolding, people considered them hearsay and conspiracies :

1) Before the WW2 began, many people around the world (including Jews) thought of Hitler as a ranting fanatic who simply evoked Antisemitism to win over the German people and become Chancellor. Even as persecution of Jews continued, the world largely remained silent or stated that Hitler's policies would change over time, just give in to his demands. Although well into the war, as rumors of concentration camps were slipping out, most people chose not to believe it. IT WAS CONSIDERED OUTLANDISH and LUDICROUS that the German nation, a nation so cultured and modern, could execute such heinous crimes as gassing individuals. But history has told us a different story.

2) The Tuskegee Syphilis Study that spanned from 1932-1972 was a heinous and unethical event that at the time was not widely known and would have been considered as a conspiracy by many people at the time, especially whites.

These are just a few examples, a good student of history can comb through numerous "conspiracy theories" that have turned out to be true. Your understanding of reality has much to do with perception of the world as much as facts. So the idea that there exists a global cabal of individuals that have set into motion a series of events to plunge the world into economic destitution through the pretext of a global pandemic can be troubling for some to believe. That's fine, history will teach you otherwise. Just sit back and watch everything unfold.

Those who deride alternative perspectives on this pandemic have a vested interest in the status quo and sit in ivory towers proclaiming social distancing and flattening the curve. At the present time they are not suffering the immediate effects of what they preach unlike the hundreds of millions around the world. But they will feels the pangs of this pandemic as it unfolds. Everything that they once held dear will wither away because they willfully ignored what was in front of them. Feel free to label me as a communist even though I am not but I will quote Marx who said: "The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers." You hold fancy degrees but lack common sensibility when those in power act with total impunity to take away your freedom and economic independence.

The following you will not comprehend, not because of intellect but because of spiritual blindness, so I will end this by quoting St. Paul:

"For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

Christ said: "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.....And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.…
 
I would like to add that, although I am becoming skeptical in many ways, I have not adopted any sort of conspiracy theory. In fact, I have not adopted any theory on this at all - I don’t buy the media cover story and I don’t buy any conspiracy theory out there either. I don’t even know what Qanon is and the only opinion I have about Bill Gates is to say that my favorite version of windows was Windows 98... But that’s just me.

With that said - I am starting to step back and observe the way things are developing. All I can say is things have gotten really weird, really fast.. And why the hell do we, as a people, constantly have to find reasons to hate other? Even wearing a mask has become a republican vs Democrat issue.. I think I heard somewhere - “can’t we all just get along?”.

I’m telling you right now - apocalyptic virus or not - if we don’t figure out how to be more compassionate with each other we are in trouble.. some serious sh** it at play here and I can’t quite put my finger on it.

I completely agree with you there. People drew the partisan lines quickly.

Can we at least acknowledge for a moment that for 6 weeks, we achieved a pretty incredible feat as a nation? We can argue the effectiveness of the lockdown, but it's still pretty incredible that most of the country went along with it for those 6 weeks.

We got all the commercials in the beginning asking us to "come together" and "stay home for healthcare"...where's the pat on the back after we did it? We totally skipped it and went straight to judging people for not wearing masks and judging states for re-opening too quickly.

Good luck inspiring that kind of nationwide collaboration again.

This is why people lose faith in government and start rioting; they feel like they were lied to.
 
Good lord. The idiots that believe Gates is out to get us all^. Hilariously ironic you talk about microbiology 101 and you are against a guy who donates immunizations to poverty-stricken countries.... ffs he's helped us get near to eliminating polio worldwide.

Gates has donated more to 3rd world countries than anyone ever, saved more lives than imaginable, and you idiots think he's out to do bad things. Blows my mind you got a PharmD or any education past elementary school.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of children maimed by vaccines and rendered sterile; buy a plane ticket to these 3 world countries and ask the mothers that have lost children. If you want a source for this outlandish piece of information, do your research.
 
I completely agree with you there. People drew the partisan lines quickly.

Can we at least acknowledge for a moment that for 6 weeks, we achieved a pretty incredible feat as a nation? We can argue the effectiveness of the lockdown, but it's still pretty incredible that most of the country went along with it for those 6 weeks.

We got all the commercials in the beginning asking us to "come together" and "stay home for healthcare"...where's the pat on the back after we did it? We totally skipped it and went straight to judging people for not wearing masks and judging states for re-opening too quickly.

Good luck inspiring that kind of nationwide collaboration again.

This is why people lose faith in government and start rioting; they feel like they were lied to.

I get your frustration, but who did you expect to pat you on the back? The government? Healthcare workers? Other people? And how would this be accomplished? A TV Commercial? Billboards?
 
I get your frustration, but who did you expect to pat you on the back? The government? Healthcare workers? Other people? And how would this be accomplished? A TV Commercial? Billboards?

It starts at the top, if you're going to tell people that they need to make this great sacrifice for the good of the country, don't tell them a month later that the sacrifice was in vain because it didn't work and we have to stay closed.

My point is I would like to see a little more optimism about what we accomplished, even if not as effective as we originally thought. Positive reinforcement is crucial to gain buy-in for future pandemics.
 
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of children maimed by vaccines and rendered sterile; buy a plane ticket to these 3 world countries and ask the mothers that have lost children. If you want a source for this outlandish piece of information, do your research.

Show us the data then? Where are your peer-reviewed journals?

Gotta love it when antivaxxers say "do your research". If you haven't been in a lab working doing actual research like the PhD/MDs that create vaccines, you need to stfu. Youtube does not count as research. #standupforscience #vaccinessavelives
 
Show us the data then? Where are your peer-reviewed journals?

Gotta love it when antivaxxers say "do your research". If you haven't been in a lab working doing actual research like the PhD/MDs that create vaccines, you need to stfu. Youtube does not count as research. #standupforscience #vaccinessavelives

First of all, I'm not against the science of vaccines. I am against the use of vaccines on women and children from developing countries that have maimed them and rendered them sterile. Obviously, since this is done under the guise of public health, there are no peer reviewed journals.

Not all evidence needs to come from peer-reviewed journals to make it truth. There are many facts out there that cannot be verified through your litmus test for verifiable evidence. That's why I asked you to get a plane ticket to these countries and go to some random village and ask the locals what they think of your messianic vaccines. Ask the women who can't have children or ask the children themselves that have been injured by these injections. They will not STFU, their voice has been heard when no one else was willing to listen but they still live with the consequences of what has happened to them.
 
Show us the data then? Where are your peer-reviewed journals?

Gotta love it when antivaxxers say "do your research". If you haven't been in a lab working doing actual research like the PhD/MDs that create vaccines, you need to stfu. Youtube does not count as research. #standupforscience #vaccinessavelives
Im not sure giving someone a title such as "antivaxxers" is fair. It's like calling someone a flatearther just because he's asking questions such as at what point does the water curve?

I don't think it's wrong to question things even if they are validated by the "government" or "science journals". That's how true science typically works right? by questioning the unquestionable. I don't believe there has ever been a study done to specifically look at vaccines harming kids. Not that I advocate that vaccines cause harm but we can't leave out the fact that there is a possibility and we should look into them.

Again, just because someone questioned what you thought were cold hard facts does not make that person any less of a person than you. If you call that person a degrading name, that does make you a douche though.
 
I actually have travelled to third world countries on medical mission trips. I have not met these women who were rendered sterile by vaccines. I must have gone to the wrong countries.

Most people in developing countries are overwhelmingly supportive of vaccines because they see the effects of not getting them. Vaccines are victims of their own success.
 
I actually have travelled to third world countries on medical mission trips. I have not met these women who were rendered sterile by vaccines. I must have gone to the wrong countries.

Most people in developing countries are overwhelmingly supportive of vaccines because they see the effects of not getting them. Vaccines are victims of their own success.

Of course they are supportive lol, that's why there are active campaigns being done warning individuals of the perils of these so called vaccines. There was a recent one relating to a COVID vaccine where Africans were refusing to be guinea pigs for the vaccine. Of course you didn't hear about this on the news did you?

You may be living in some bubble but the overwhelming consensus among people outside of Western countries regarding vaccines is vastly different from what we perceive here in the West.
 
Of course they are supportive lol, that's why there are active campaigns being done warning individuals of the perils of these so called vaccines. There was a recent one relating to a COVID vaccine where Africans were refusing to be guinea pigs for the vaccine. Of course you didn't hear about this on the news did you?

You may be living in some bubble but the overwhelming consensus among people outside of Western countries regarding vaccines is vastly different from what we perceive here in the West.

This reminds me of when developing countries are ‘warned’ about GMOs. Those misinformation campaigns literally kill people. It makes me sad.

I am not going to engage in a “no true Scotsman” argument but every person outside the US that I have ever engaged with regarding medicine and vaccines were pro-medicine and pro-vaccine. I have not personally interviewed all 8 billion on Earth people though and I suspect you can find examples of any type of belief you want to if you look hard enough.
 
I have not personally interviewed all 8 billion on Earth people though and I suspect you can find examples of any type of belief you want to if you look hard enough.

This is so true... And on a different note is why it is so hard counseling a patient in retail pharmacy. Dr google has given them whatever point of view they want
 
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