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[SkiOtter]

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I don’t think lemon laws cover animals...

(Some states do)

 

[Lupin21]

I had a cryptorchid that they had to call the surgeons in on to find, and then he was again hospitalized for a week with severe FUO and icterus. Made it through, but bleh. Other smaller things with everyone else.

And during finals too. lol

 

[ajs513]

My breeder is really awesome and I've been in contact with her. She has a policy that states she'll refund her purchase price if we find anything congenital so we're mostly just waiting for a concrete diagnosis at this point.

Oh good. I’m glad you’re able to communicate with your breeder through all this. I’ve seen it go both ways, where the breeder either gets really defensive, or shows that they truly want to make sure their dogs are okay. Awesome that yours is making it easier for you.

 

[Dinashadow]

Oh good. I’m glad you’re able to communicate with your breeder through all this. I’ve seen it go both ways, where the breeder either gets really defensive, or shows that they truly want to make sure their dogs are okay. Awesome that yours is making it easier for you.

Yes! I did a ton of research before I bought her because of what I went through with the older dog. She really cares about her dogs and the health of her lines. I think this is just a curse for me unfortunately lol. None of the other puppies in her litter are affected (and there were 10 other puppies). Luckily I work at the vet clinic and get a nice discount but the cost will definitely start to rack up if she has to go see a specialist.

Obviously I will do whatever I have to though.

Edit: Also thank god for CareCredit haha.

 

[Caiter92]

22 states have them. Some cover congenital defects up to 2 years after purchase. I just had a client get reimbursed for kennel cough a few days after buying a new puppy using the PA animal lemon law.

This is so strange to me lol

Like I know most breeders will cover infectious stuff soon after bringing an animal from them home, but two years is a little extreme to me.

 

[ajs513]

This is so strange to me lol

Like I know most breeders will cover infectious stuff soon after bringing an animal from them home, but two years is a little extreme to me.

That’s the upper limit for only a few states, and only for congenital defects. Infectious diseases are usually up to 3 weeks. But if your dog randomly passes away at the age of one and it’s discovered that it was from a congenital heart defect, then that’s something the breeder would have to cover because it’s possible it was genetic/from bad breeding practices, etc. Under most laws, pets are viewed more like cars than like people, and you can really see it in things lemon laws. That’s bad or good depending on the situation (like neglect or abuse), but when it comes to protecting people who are buying pets and keeping breeders from praciticing shady breeding practices, it’s definitely a good thing.

 

[sheltermed]

there's a lemon law in NY where dog seller has to pay for vet care up to the purchase price of the animal

 

[DVMDream]

Okay long post ahead about my toller puppy who I've decided is a lemon dog. Also a rant about how my pets are just lemons in general.

So my toller puppy Clementine is 4.5 months old now and can't hold her bladder very well. When she was younger and I first got her I noticed she just peed A LOT, but I chalked it up to her being a puppy. My good friend (and Clem's veterinarian) watched her for me for a weekend and noted that she seemed to pee a lot too. We discussed it a bit but just assumed this was how she was and also she's still a young puppy who isn't house trained yet.

Fast forward a few weeks and pee just seems to start appearing on the bed/couch/crate when she's sleeping. I start to get suspicious and then one day she's laying down next to me and pee just appears beneath her. Great. Plus she's constantly urinating in her crate and because her crate is small so she also is getting urine all over herself.

So I finally send out a urine on her for a urinalysis and it comes back with a ton of WBCs but nothing else. Vet puts her on 2 weeks of Clavamox where she starts to get a little bit better but after we stop she slides back to where she had been before. Vet has me submit another urine for a recheck a week later and it comes back with WBCs again and now 2+ protein.

So yesterday we had to cysto her (which was a ton of fun) and sent out the urine for a culture and another UA. Her UA comes back with minimal WBCs this time and now 3+ protein. The vet had me call and add on a UPC to assess the protein in her urine but I'm freaking out now. Depending on how this works out she may need an ultrasound +/- scoping +/- contrast which really sucks.

It sucks even more because my Labrador was also a lemon dog. Around 4 months she had a bad case of kennel cough and pneumonia and weird breathing. I went through 1,000s of dollars of diagnostics with her until she was finally diagnosed with congenital lar par. My vet says it the only congenital case she's ever seen and she's been working in vet med for 14+ years.

This is also following my 2 year old cat blocking and needing surgery so yayyyy! (but at least he's doing well now)

So yeah just needed to get that off my chest. I'm freaking out and worried about my pupper. Hopefully her kidneys are okay and all her plumbing is anatomically sound and it's just an infection.

Hope it is all ok. You've definitely sparked my inherent IM brain as it is running through all the possibilities just reading this. I sometimes miss being able to really work up cases like this back in vet school.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

People who snore are the worst. Especially if they went to bed early and you're forced to stay up and let the doggos out for their last nightly pee, or risk being awakened at 4:30AM.

whole heartedly agree. my partner has begun snoring the past couple months and I want to put a pillow over his head... he went to the doctor and all they did was give him nose spray and told me to get ear plugs. ugh. I think he maybe has allergies since we moved but idk how to fix it and it's driving me crazy.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

(to the bolded) Exactly. I have... both animals and humans. I actually gently explained to her that, not only is it the last gift we can give them, but there are situations where I think it would be kinder to do the same for people. So many people get so focused on quantity of life over quality of life, and do every heroic intervention there is in situations where there's no hope. All it does is prolong suffering. That gave her a lot of peace of mind. I haven't had a chance to talk to my nephew about it yet, but I'll for sure try to use some of the tactics everyone's mentioned here.

(and yes, I know that's an unpopular opinion re. humans, but after 8 years on internal medicine in a large, inner city human hospital followed by a year on lung transplant, that is honestly how I feel)

I'm not sure it is an unpopular opinion about humans, but I could be wrong. I am thankful to live in a state that first voted to pass Death with Dignity. this allows for terminally ill patients to utilize physician assisted suicide if they would like to.

 

[ajs513]

whole heartedly agree. my partner has begun snoring the past couple months and I want to put a pillow over his head... he went to the doctor and all they did was give him nose spray and told me to get ear plugs. ugh. I think he maybe has allergies since we moved but idk how to fix it and it's driving me crazy.

I read both your comments back to back and my tired morning brain thought this one was also in response to the Death with Dignity comment 😳

 

[sheltermed]

I read both your comments back to back and my tired morning brain thought this one was also in response to the Death with Dignity comment 😳

brutal

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I read both your comments back to back and my tired morning brain thought this one was also in response to the Death with Dignity comment 😳

Lmao I could see how that would be confusing

 

[Squeaksmom]

I'm not sure it is an unpopular opinion about humans, but I could be wrong. I am thankful to live in a state that first voted to pass Death with Dignity. this allows for terminally ill patients to utilize physician assisted suicide if they would like to.

Well, more than a couple of times I was there when someone passed after prolonged suffering, and the family tried to BRIBE THE DOCTOR TO BRING THEM BACK... so maybe my view of humans is skewed??

 

[Stroganoff]

whole heartedly agree. my partner has begun snoring the past couple months and I want to put a pillow over his head... he went to the doctor and all they did was give him nose spray and told me to get ear plugs. ugh. I think he maybe has allergies since we moved but idk how to fix it and it's driving me crazy.

Has he gained weight? Even as few as 5-10 lbs can do it.

Also, earplugs are amazing. I started using them a few years ago due to illegal shotgun discharge overnight, but the habit stuck even after I moved and use them every night for bed.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Has he gained weight? Even as few as 5-10 lbs can do it.

Also, earplugs are amazing. I started using them a few years ago due to illegal shotgun discharge overnight, but the habit stuck even after I moved and use them every night for bed.

There's a possibility he has but I dont think that much. He may have lost some muscle and gained some fat though since graduating? But he is back to coaching again so idk.

His mom is the worst snorer I have ever heard. Like I am talking hearing her through the wall, through earplugs, with a white noise youtube video on. Apparently his mom doesn't use a CPAP (though I can bet she should) but all her siblings do. Though many people in his family are quite heavy, he isn't. And his snoring isn't super bad. He sleeps on his stomach which prob doesn't help. I can sleep through it if he starts when I am already sleeping. it just bothers me if I wake up or something. And I am noise sensitive.

Do you have any recs on earplugs? I have been wanting to get some reusable ones (ie not foam etc) for studying but haven't found any good ones on amazon. I would love to find some I like! Bonus if I could use them to sleep also lol.

 

[Stroganoff]

Do you have any recs on earplugs? I have been wanting to get some reusable ones (ie not foam etc) for studying but haven't found any good ones on amazon. I would love to find some I like! Bonus if I could use them to sleep also lol.

I wish I could find reusable ones honestly, but sounds expensive. I know -- musicians for example -- can get custom earplugs that are reusable that are molded to your ears for live music purposes.

I bought a huge like 40 pair box or two of the Flents purple ones 33 dB NRR. They're what I'm currently using. (They're smaller than others I've tried too so good for tiny ear canals.)

I bought these Mack's ultra soft ones 32 dB NRR off Amazon but haven't tried them yet so can't give my opinion...

IMO as long as you keep them clean af and maybe use them for singular purposes (e.g. sleeping) with clean and dry ear canals like post-shower, I think they're re-usable for a few nights.

For range purposes I discard after each use to minimize lead exposure.

For studying/office stuff I'm kinda looking at active noise canceling (ANC) headphones. But $$$. Other than the Bose and potentially Sennheiser, there's some Sonys I tried out at Costco ($229.99) that seem nice. And for ultimate "LEAVE ME ALONE WORLD" I'm considering earplugs + ANC headphones.

If you need recs on pillows for smothering purposes, hit me up.

 

[cdo96]

There's a possibility he has but I dont think that much. He may have lost some muscle and gained some fat though since graduating? But he is back to coaching again so idk.

His mom is the worst snorer I have ever heard. Like I am talking hearing her through the wall, through earplugs, with a white noise youtube video on. Apparently his mom doesn't use a CPAP (though I can bet she should) but all her siblings do. Though many people in his family are quite heavy, he isn't. And his snoring isn't super bad. He sleeps on his stomach which prob doesn't help. I can sleep through it if he starts when I am already sleeping. it just bothers me if I wake up or something. And I am noise sensitive.

Do you have any recs on earplugs? I have been wanting to get some reusable ones (ie not foam etc) for studying but haven't found any good ones on amazon. I would love to find some I like! Bonus if I could use them to sleep also lol.

Hi former drummer here who started half deaf so hearing protection was incredibly important to me.

I used something like this from Amazon- the white filter blocks out 29 dB, and they’re completely reusable. So once I stopped drumming, I would use the white (29 dB) when I’m needing to sleep on airplanes and I would use the green (23 dB) when I’m studying in a coffee shop. They cost $28 and one pair lasted me for a 4 years until l lost them.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Hi former drummer here who started half deaf so hearing protection was incredibly important to me.

I used something like this from Amazon- the white filter blocks out 29 dB, and they’re completely reusable. So once I stopped drumming, I would use the white (29 dB) when I’m needing to sleep on airplanes and I would use the green (23 dB) when I’m studying in a coffee shop. They cost $28 and one pair lasted me for a 4 years until l lost them.


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Thank you! I actually used to be a drummer also. But mostly I just wadded up toilet paper in my ears, which I have taken to doing recently also. This sounds like a better approach and I will def check those out. Much appreciated.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

If you need recs on pillows for smothering purposes, hit me up.

 

[killerleaf]

the breathe-rite strips also help some people. and getting allergies under control. and maybe check if his tonsils/adnoids are huge? that is part of my hubby's issue, his are huge, but he is too old (65) to get them taken out. Actually, he was 58 when the ENT doc said "wow, those are huge, bet you snore, huh?'

 

[sheltermed]

I don't really know why I feel the way I do sometimes. Well, I know more or less, but even so I still can't figure out how to keep those feelings at bay. I feel like if you know the root cause of something, you should be able to overcome it. I've overcome a lot, but there are remnants of my issue(s?) that come out every now and again. Now being one of those times. I have someone I care about and I sabotage it. Why? I actually KNOW why, like I said, so why doesn't that stop me? I don't think I deserve friends. Nor good things in general. Self pity blah blah etc. I'll spare you the rest.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't really know why I feel the way I do sometimes. Well, I know more or less, but even so I still can't figure out how to keep those feelings at bay. I feel like if you know the root cause of something, you should be able to overcome it. I've overcome a lot, but there are remnants of my issue(s?) that come out every now and again. Now being one of those times. I have someone I care about and I sabotage it. Why? I actually KNOW why, like I said, so why doesn't that stop me? I don't think I deserve friends. Nor good things in general. Self pity blah blah etc. I'll spare you the rest.

Just because we identify why we do something, doesn't mean we can stop it from happening. It's like...just because you know the causative agent of a disease doesn't necessarily mean you can cure it, you know? It takes a **** ton of work and identifying where it's coming from is really just the first step there. Try not to be too hard on yourself. At least you are self aware, and that's more than a lot of people can say. And you definitely do deserve friends and good things.

 

[nyanko]

Hope it is all ok. You've definitely sparked my inherent IM brain as it is running through all the possibilities just reading this. I sometimes miss being able to really work up cases like this back in vet school.

Meanwhile I've been on Internal Medicine for 2 weeks (we have to do a handful of weeks a year on other ACVIM services) and I can't wait to go back to my "home planet" of Neuro tomorrow.

 

[DVMDream]

Meanwhile I've been on Internal Medicine for 2 weeks (we have to do a handful of weeks a year on other ACVIM services) and I can't wait to go back to my "home planet" of Neuro tomorrow.

Weird neuro people........







Actually I wouldn't mind neuro except it involves sx, so um, no thanks.

 

[ajs513]

Weird neuro people........







Actually I wouldn't mind neuro except it involves sx, so um, no thanks.

As someone going in with the intention of doing surgery, would you mind telling me why you don’t like it? The vet I work for now isn’t a fan just because he’s impatient, but what’s your take?

 

[DVMDream]

As someone going in with the intention of doing surgery, would you mind telling me why you don’t like it? The vet I work for now isn’t a fan just because he’s impatient, but what’s your take?

It is just very stressful for me. I mostly don't like abdominal surgery or orthopedics. I really despise spays. They are bloody, fatty, slippery, you can't see most of what you are doing because the ovaries in the deep, dark abyss of the abdomen and yes, you break the ligament and bring the ovary "up and out" but it still isn't by much so it is hard to see what you are doing so a lot is by feel. So you have to kind of hope that ligature you just placed is tight enough, didn't catch any fat, omentum and didn't catch the ureter either.

So then I go home and think about the 2342341 complications that can occur after doing a spay and hope that none of those happen to your patient. I can't stop thinking about the potential "wrongs" that can happen and when things do go "wrong" they can go VERY wrong... so then I don't sleep, get overwhelmed, don't sleep again because too overwhelmed and overtired so then I end up in a long cycle of not sleeping.

Surgery just isn't my thing. I don't mind neuters, some mass removals, dentals, wound/laceration repairs but anything else gets a hard pass from me.

 

[ajs513]

It is just very stressful for me. I mostly don't like abdominal surgery or orthopedics. I really despise spays. They are bloody, fatty, slippery, you can't see most of what you are doing because the ovaries in the deep, dark abyss of the abdomen and yes, you break the ligament and bring the ovary "up and out" but it still isn't by much so it is hard to see what you are doing so a lot is by feel. So you have to kind of hope that ligature you just placed is tight enough, didn't catch any fat, omentum and didn't catch the ureter either.

So then I go home and think about the 2342341 complications that can occur after doing a spay and hope that none of those happen to your patient. I can't stop thinking about the potential "wrongs" that can happen and when things do go "wrong" they can go VERY wrong... so then I don't sleep, get overwhelmed, don't sleep again because too overwhelmed and overtired so then I end up in a long cycle of not sleeping.

Surgery just isn't my thing. I don't mind neuters, some mass removals, dentals, wound/laceration repairs but anything else gets a hard pass from me.

That makes sense. Thanks for the response! It’s always good to get perspectives like that.

 

[DVMDream]

That makes sense. Thanks for the response! It’s always good to get perspectives like that.

Anytime! Some people thrive on surgery and would love to do surgery all day long. I am just not one of those.

Everyone is different.

 

[Trilt]

Meanwhile I am basically like:

MO' BLOOD MO' FUN!

And l actively like large dog spays as one of the more challenging things we do surgically in GP. Millers knots are lyfe. I would shoot myself if I only did appointments all day everyday.

 

[cdo96]

Meanwhile I've been on Internal Medicine for 2 weeks (we have to do a handful of weeks a year on other ACVIM services) and I can't wait to go back to my "home planet" of Neuro tomorrow.

The emergency & specialty hospital I’m shadowing for a bit this summer has a neuro department with a boarded neurologist, two residents, and an intern and I’m super excited!

I took a clinical neurology/ case rounds elective with the sweetest professor this semester, and it was a completely filled class between the second and third years. So I’m excited to see if it can pay off!

 

[DVMDream]

Meanwhile I am basically like:

MO' BLOOD MO' FUN!

And l actively like large dog spays as one of the more challenging things we do surgically in GP. Millers knots are lyfe. I would shoot myself if I only did appointments all day everyday.

Yeah, we already knew you are weird... 😉 😉


(Kidding)

I do miss the not seeing appointments part of surgery, it is a nice break from peopleing... if I could just do all the non abdominal surgeries then I'd be fine.

 

[SARdoghandler]

This whole conversation just now made me feel a whole lot better. We've finished all of our vet school spays just now and I found spays extremely stressful and I don't know if that's something I could ever enjoy. Neuters were ok. Large animal surgeries were awesome!

So that gives me validation that it's okay to not like all areas of surgery and still be a vet hahaha

 

[Doctor-S]

A patient told me he has been giving his arthritic dog pain meds prescribed specifically for humans-patients by his primary care physician.

NO!!!!

TL/DR: Pets are prescribed meds by veterinarians 'cuz they're VETERINARY MEDICINE DOCTORS!

 

[SkiOtter]

A patient told me he has been giving his arthritic dog pain meds prescribed specifically for humans-patients by his primary care physician.

NO!!!!

TL/DR: Pets are prescribed meds by veterinarians 'cuz they're VETERINARY MEDICINE DOCTORS!

I hope you yelled at him

 

[cdo96]

A patient told me he has been giving his arthritic dog pain meds prescribed specifically for humans-patients by his primary care physician.

NO!!!!

TL/DR: Pets are prescribed meds by veterinarians 'cuz they're VETERINARY MEDICINE DOCTORS!

You know, I’m not even surprised.

 

[supershorty]

It was 70 degrees and sunny 2 days ago and now there is SNOW EVERYWHERE and I’m so over winter

 

[FutureFelineVet]

Rant: I get really tired of people who act like their school is the greatest school to have always existed of all time and all other schools are sub-par. It’s super cool to love your school and to be proud to attend there—that’s how I feel about my school—but can we not hate on other schools? And I don’t just mean the Caribbean schools, but all schools. This is a hard freaking field we’re in, both mentally and physically, so can’t we all just respect each other a little more and realize we’re all working our a**es off to accomplish the same goal? And I mean, we all take the same NAVLE.

/end rant

EDIT: I’m talking about people who just straight up hate on schools and spread misinformation.

 

[tinynest]

A patient told me he has been giving his arthritic dog pain meds prescribed specifically for humans-patients by his primary care physician.

NO!!!!

TL/DR: Pets are prescribed meds by veterinarians 'cuz they're VETERINARY MEDICINE DOCTORS!

A client at work, who is also a HUMAN neurologist, thought his dog was having petit mal seizures and started him on anticonvulsants without consulting our vet. >_<

 

[ajs513]

A client at work, who is also a HUMAN neurologist, thought his dog was having petit mal seizures and started him on anticonvulsants without consulting our vet. >_<

But was he right?

 

[SkiOtter]

But was he right?

Doesn’t matter if he was right or not. He is attempting to practice veterinary medicine without a license. Which is illegal. In some states it’s even a felony.

 

[ajs513]

Doesn’t matter if he was right or not. He is attempting to practice veterinary medicine without a license. Which is illegal. In some states it’s even a felony.

Well yea, obviously. I just want to know if he ended up being right.

 

[cdo96]

Doesn’t matter if he was right or not. He is attempting to practice veterinary medicine without a license. Which is illegal. In some states it’s even a felony.

yes... and no... is it wrong? Absolutely. Is it practicing without a license? Not reaaaaaally. It depends on the state. It’s their own pet. In Oklahoma at least, and Texas too, animals are your property, and you can give seizure meds or antibiotics or anything on your own animals (because they assume that you won’t sue yourself if something goes wrong).

But doing that your cousin’s dog? Or your neighbor’s cat? That’s practicing medicine and illegal.

 

[Caiter92]

yes... and no... is it wrong? Absolutely. Is it practicing without a license? Not reaaaaaally. It depends on the state. It’s their own pet. In Oklahoma at least, and Texas too, animals are your property, and you can give seizure meds or antibiotics or anything on your own animals (because they assume that you won’t sue yourself if something goes wrong).

But doing that your cousin’s dog? Or your neighbor’s cat? That’s practicing medicine and illegal.

Um, you can still get in trouble for practicing without a license on your own pets. It’s not just about being sued by someone else.

Also, this person is an MD. Where did they get the meds? Did they take them from the pharmacy? Did they write a prescription for their own pet to get them? That is majorly overstepping and would definitely get them in trouble.

Also, those laws usually apply to literally just being authorized to give medications. As in, an owner can give medical treatment to their pet as prescribed or dictated by a veterinarian. It does not authorize an owner to prescribe treatment on their own.

 

[allieh8607]

I'm late to the party, but on the topic of hating surgery....I make it a point to not check my appointment schedule at work in advance because I've found when I know what surgeries are scheduled I tend to get anxious about them. I just saw a text from my colleague saying I'm most likely going to have to cut a foreign body obstruction tomorrow. While I appreciate the heads up...I'm just dreading work tomorrow now. I hate abdominal explores.

 

[DVMDream]

I'm late to the party, but on the topic of hating surgery....I make it a point to not check my appointment schedule at work in advance because I've found when I know what surgeries are scheduled I tend to get anxious about them. I just saw a text from my colleague saying I'm most likely going to have to cut a foreign body obstruction tomorrow. While I appreciate the heads up...I'm just dreading work tomorrow now. I hate abdominal explores.

Ugh, I hate this. Had another relief vet email me about a case she saw and all the diagnostics she ran and blah blah blah on my day off because she wanted me to follow up the next day.

Just leave a communication for me, I'll look at it. I don't need to know the night prior it just gives me anxiety. Now I'm thinking of the 1837736 things it could be, what I might need to do/recommend and this is right before I'm to be going to sleep. So frustrating. Don't tell me before, let me deal with it when I get to work.

 

[twelvetigers]

Day before anxiety is the worst. That, and when you have a surgery that isn’t quite right and you spend the next week worrying about it.

 

[Squeaksmom]

I'm late to the party, but on the topic of hating surgery....I make it a point to not check my appointment schedule at work in advance because I've found when I know what surgeries are scheduled I tend to get anxious about them. I just saw a text from my colleague saying I'm most likely going to have to cut a foreign body obstruction tomorrow. While I appreciate the heads up...I'm just dreading work tomorrow now. I hate abdominal explores.

So far I dislike all surgery, and it scares me. Small animal was marginally less terrifying than large. I'm hoping to be a nutritionist at the end of all this, so hopefully I only have to deal with it temporarily. I was joking with one of the surgeons that I appreciate their existence because I'm hoping never to have to cut anything open after the next two years.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Meanwhile I am basically like:

MO' BLOOD MO' FUN!

And l actively like large dog spays as one of the more challenging things we do surgically in GP. Millers knots are lyfe. I would shoot myself if I only did appointments all day everyday.

This is a wavelength I can relate too😀

 

[ajs513]

Everyone’s input has been really helpful. I spoke to my vet about it and he raised an interesting point. Aside from just not liking surgery to begin with, a lot of new vets are obviously (and rightfully) nervous about doing surgery. In vet school you only get a few chances to do surgery unless you seek out other electives/outside experiences. Few if any are solo. Once you’re a vet, he said it’s definitely extremely intimidating to go from what you did in school to being on your own doing surgery on your own patient. So if you work at a multi-doctor practice, it becomes a vicious cycle of being nervous about surgery, not wanting to do it, another vet in the hospital does it instead, etc. For him, he just had to keep pushing through that anxiety until he finally felt more comfortable, and those concerns about complications, not seeing what he was doing, and everything else slowly went away. Of course he’s been in practice for almost 15 years (which isn’t a ton of time but he’s definitely not a new vet) so he’s had some years to get over that hump. I just liked his take on it because it seems like most vets start out very nervous to do surgery, and the difference between those who aren’t nervous anymore and those who still are is that the former wanted to continue with it and did it enough that they don’t feel nervous anymore. Of course there’s nothing wrong with not wanting to do surgery with the 1,000 other things you can do especially as a GP. I just like to think that even if I’m extremely nervous years down the line, it’s common and if I decide I want to push past that, i eventually can.

TL;DR: apparently if you want to push past that nervousness, many people end up being able to. Almost everyone starts out very nervous, and if you want to continue doing surgery because you’ll enjoy it, you’ll likely get over that anxiety once you have enough experience under your belt.