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killerleaf said:
I have lived in a rural area a long time. There are no laws regarding dogs "trespassing" in our area. Only if they bite or damage someone/something. Most of the time, we manage to work things out, and people are apologetic that their dog got out. However, I do know of a case where someone ran a hotline right on their property line. It was only one long enough for the dog to get "stung" once. then they turned it off, but left the wire and posts. dog never came back on their property. 🙂 🙂
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That's definitely something we are considering too!
 
It works pretty good on the coyotes, too. Just sayin.....
 
People who park like THIS next to you in a parking lot. :rage::rage::rage::bang::bang::bang::bang:

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Been working as a doctor (intern currently on overnight ER) for just two weeks and I already have a client wanting to sue me. Claims I missed that his pup (3 days post spay) had a hernia, but rads reviewed by a boarded radiologist (with a report) show intact body wall at the time of her visit with me. Guy just didn't keep his pup confined as I recommended. He wanted to blame the vet that did the spay as the reason for her infected incision, so I think he's just the type looking to blame others. Still stressful, and honestly a bit devastating, to have an owner state he will sue you unless he gets a full refund. The good thing about corporate medicine is that you have a large management and legal team that deals with this stuff for you, so hopefully I won't even have to see this owner again.

Also lost my first patient the other night. Nice owner just trying to get more time with his dog. Older dog presented with tricav effusion, owner wanted 7th palliative chest tap. Told owner dog is in a-fib, I feel this will go poorly and dog may die, had QOL talk and rec. euthanasia as an option. Dog didn't make it past the sedation. Owner was a very nice guy and handled it all very well but was shocked, like I didn't just tell him that I felt strongly that his dog wouldn't survive the procedure.

Idk. Having some second thoughts about being a doctor right now. Can I survive a career of sue-happy owners and other crappy situations?
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
Idk. Having some second thoughts about being a doctor right now. Can I survive a career of sue-happy owners and other crappy situations?
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Angry clients happen. Sometimes for no reason, sometimes because they didn't follow instructions, and sometimes it actually is your fault. Regardless of the reason, you can't carry their anger with you or you'll burn out. What helps me is my happy file: a stash of notes and reviews from people that I helped who were happy with the outcome. It really helps me refocus on why I like being a doctor. There's one from a crazy cat lady who compared my level of care with that of one of my colleagues who has been practicing for 30+ years that I really look up to. That one I keep pinned to my bulletin board so I can read it whenever I lose confidence in myself. Life is always going to look crappy if you dwell on the negative, and I feel like veterinarians and veterinary students are predisposed to do that so we don't repeat the same mistakes. But you also have to pat yourself on the back for the good stuff too, and remember all the things you did right.
 
genny said:
Angry clients happen. Sometimes for no reason, sometimes because they didn't follow instructions, and sometimes it actually is your fault. Regardless of the reason, you can't carry their anger with you or you'll burn out. What helps me is my happy file: a stash of notes and reviews from people that I helped who were happy with the outcome. It really helps me refocus on why I like being a doctor. There's one from a crazy cat lady who compared my level of care with that of one of my colleagues who has been practicing for 30+ years that I really look up to. That one I keep pinned to my bulletin board so I can read it whenever I lose confidence in myself. Life is always going to look crappy if you dwell on the negative, and I feel like veterinarians and veterinary students are predisposed to do that so we don't repeat the same mistakes. But you also have to pat yourself on the back for the good stuff too, and remember all the things you did right.
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I was talking with an SNDer the other day about having a dream the night before about a client not necessarily being happy that I was a new grad, and low and behold, the next day it was a thing. I hope at the end they felt good about my quality of service, but otherwise, I did all I can and it is ultimately not my concern if they were not satisfied just due to my time at the practice.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
Been working as a doctor (intern currently on overnight ER) for just two weeks and I already have a client wanting to sue me. Claims I missed that his pup (3 days post spay) had a hernia, but rads reviewed by a boarded radiologist (with a report) show intact body wall at the time of her visit with me. Guy just didn't keep his pup confined as I recommended. He wanted to blame the vet that did the spay as the reason for her infected incision, so I think he's just the type looking to blame others. Still stressful, and honestly a bit devastating, to have an owner state he will sue you unless he gets a full refund. The good thing about corporate medicine is that you have a large management and legal team that deals with this stuff for you, so hopefully I won't even have to see this owner again.

Also lost my first patient the other night. Nice owner just trying to get more time with his dog. Older dog presented with tricav effusion, owner wanted 7th palliative chest tap. Told owner dog is in a-fib, I feel this will go poorly and dog may die, had QOL talk and rec. euthanasia as an option. Dog didn't make it past the sedation. Owner was a very nice guy and handled it all very well but was shocked, like I didn't just tell him that I felt strongly that his dog wouldn't survive the procedure.

Idk. Having some second thoughts about being a doctor right now. Can I survive a career of sue-happy owners and other crappy situations?
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genny said:
Angry clients happen. Sometimes for no reason, sometimes because they didn't follow instructions, and sometimes it actually is your fault. Regardless of the reason, you can't carry their anger with you or you'll burn out. What helps me is my happy file: a stash of notes and reviews from people that I helped who were happy with the outcome. It really helps me refocus on why I like being a doctor. There's one from a crazy cat lady who compared my level of care with that of one of my colleagues who has been practicing for 30+ years that I really look up to. That one I keep pinned to my bulletin board so I can read it whenever I lose confidence in myself. Life is always going to look crappy if you dwell on the negative, and I feel like veterinarians and veterinary students are predisposed to do that so we don't repeat the same mistakes. But you also have to pat yourself on the back for the good stuff too, and remember all the things you did right.
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Not a vet yet...just a vet student. But I just want to second this. I have a box (I started it for many ago, way back when I was in high school) where I keep a random stuff from various clubs, hobbies, jobs etc. that are reminders of things that I did right, things that make me happy, or things that remind me why I'm putting myself through all this. It always helpful for me to look through it during the really hard times and helps me stay grounded. Also...when I was working as a vet tech and someone was having a really hard time with a client we'd always tell each other "its not you, its just the situation". Sometimes clients are in an emotional place and lash out and you just have to remember...its not about you and you really did do everything you could.
 
altadama said:
Not a vet yet...just a vet student. But I just want to second this. I have a box (I started it for many ago, way back when I was in high school) where I keep a random stuff from various clubs, hobbies, jobs etc. that are reminders of things that I did right, things that make me happy, or things that remind me why I'm putting myself through all this. It always helpful for me to look through it during the really hard times and helps me stay grounded. Also...when I was working as a vet tech and someone was having a really hard time with a client we'd always tell each other "its not you, its just the situation". Sometimes clients are in an emotional place and lash out and you just have to remember...its not about you and you really did do everything you could.
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10/10
 
I tack all of my important keepsakes to tack boards. Concert tickets, thank you notes, inside jokes, all of it. I'm on my second tackboard and they help so much on bad days. I recommend some sort of scrap booking type thing or keep sake thing like this to keep spirits up.
 
I used to keep a Feel Better Jar. Each day I would write a good thing that happened to me and stick it in there. Also put in stuff like concert tickets, nice notes, etc. It was great to go through when I felt bad, especially when I had kept it for more than a year. I eventually stopped adding things to the one I had because it got too full, but I never started another one after that. Maybe I should
 
vetmedhead said:
I used to keep a Feel Better Jar. Each day I would write a good thing that happened to me and stick it in there. Also put in stuff like concert tickets, nice notes, etc. It was great to go through when I felt bad, especially when I had kept it for more than a year. I eventually stopped adding things to the one I had because it got too full, but I never started another one after that. Maybe I should
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Yeah, I also had something like this for a couple years. I would put good things that happened that year and then read them all on New Year’s Eve. (Also if I needed a pick me up throughout the year)
 
SkiOtter said:
Yeah, I also had something like this for a couple years. I would put good things that happened that year and then read them all on New Year’s Eve. (Also if I needed a pick me up throughout the year)
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I may have started mine as a New Year's Resolution of some sort :thinking:

My current NYR was to read more this year. I think I'm on book 30 or so thus far
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
Been working as a doctor (intern currently on overnight ER) for just two weeks and I already have a client wanting to sue me. Claims I missed that his pup (3 days post spay) had a hernia, but rads reviewed by a boarded radiologist (with a report) show intact body wall at the time of her visit with me. Guy just didn't keep his pup confined as I recommended. He wanted to blame the vet that did the spay as the reason for her infected incision, so I think he's just the type looking to blame others. Still stressful, and honestly a bit devastating, to have an owner state he will sue you unless he gets a full refund. The good thing about corporate medicine is that you have a large management and legal team that deals with this stuff for you, so hopefully I won't even have to see this owner again.

Also lost my first patient the other night. Nice owner just trying to get more time with his dog. Older dog presented with tricav effusion, owner wanted 7th palliative chest tap. Told owner dog is in a-fib, I feel this will go poorly and dog may die, had QOL talk and rec. euthanasia as an option. Dog didn't make it past the sedation. Owner was a very nice guy and handled it all very well but was shocked, like I didn't just tell him that I felt strongly that his dog wouldn't survive the procedure.

Idk. Having some second thoughts about being a doctor right now. Can I survive a career of sue-happy owners and other crappy situations?
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Just know that most people who threaten to sue to get out of payment do not have the funds to actually sue you. Don’t worry about it until it actually happens, and even then if things are well documented, it shouldn’t matter. Plus, so ****ing what if you missed the hernia at the time of the exam!? Maybe it was there (I don’t think a radiologist can say it definitively wasn’t there unless it was huge), and it was reducible and not obviously palpable through the incisional infection. That has no bearing on what happens/happened to the pet unless organs were herniated and strangulated and you missed it and the pet had adverse outcome because of it. That’s the only thing he could sue you for. You weren’t the one that caused it either unless you surgerIzed the pup. People can’t sue you just because you missed something on exam unless that led to an adverse outcome.

Anytime an owner says something along the lines of how they would come after me if something goes wrong, I tell them to piss off and go elsewhere and will refuse to do any procedures on their pet.
 
WildZoo said:
Can I pen a strongly worded letter to SDN for this "Guide to Pets" article that mentions keeping goldfish in a bowl? 😡
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Interesting....

I am all for someone presenting the veterinary side of pet ownership for the medical student/intern. We need more pieces from the vet community. I am hoping to eventually represent our community once I get my feet under me...
 
Also mentioned reptiles being "low maintenance" and while I get that they meant in terms of time spent interacting (as compared to a dog for instance) I would not, in general, call a reptile a low maintenance pet, and them being portrayed as such is one of my big pet peeves.


Anyway I'd write an article myself if I had time 😛
 
WildZoo said:
Also mentioned reptiles being "low maintenance" and while I get that they meant in terms of time spent interacting (as compared to a dog for instance) I would not, in general, call a reptile a low maintenance pet, and them being portrayed as such is one of my big pet peeves.


Anyway I'd write an article myself if I had time 😛
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I would deem reptiles one of the most needy for sure in terms of husbandry. Especially as many as I see that I can no longer help because of said keeping. harrumph
 
Elkhart said:
I think, in general, my mood is doing better than it has been for the past year or so. But then I still have days like today where I look at and hear about all of the things my vet school classmates and others are doing and I just feel like such a ****ing dumb*** loser by comparison. I'd planned to do the ASPCA Spay/Neuter Alliance externship along with my two best vet school friends, and we were able to schedule and coordinate it in such a way that we would be able to attend during the same block. They're in NC at the externship right now, and a bunch of photos were posted on Facebook of them and a new third friend from the class where they look like they're having an absolute blast together. I know I shouldn't let it get to me at this point (it's been almost two years now), but it actually really stung to see.
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Hun, you need to be gentle to yourself. You’re not dumb. You’re not a loser. I know how hard it is, but you need to tell those thoughts to **** off when they happen. They’re not true. **** happens and it sucks, and I’m so sorry you’re still struggling with this, I can’t imagine how hard it is. But mistakes don’t define you.
 
As much as this may sound weird, have you considered unfollowing for a while? It doesn't have to be permanent, but it would be like taking a break from something that is becoming consuming in your life. There is definitely nothing wrong with it in my opinion. I mean, I gave up WW because I have no self control when I play and needed to focus on the next chapter of my life. haha
 
Lupin21 said:
As much as this may sound weird, have you considered unfollowing for a while? It doesn't have to be permanent, but it would be like taking a break from something that is becoming consuming in your life. There is definitely nothing wrong with it in my opinion. I mean, I gave up WW because I have no self control when I play and needed to focus on the next chapter of my life. haha
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Seconded. Sometimes the best way to be okay with those things is to stop seeing them altogether for a while. You don’t need to unfriending these people on Facebook. Just unfollow. Or even take a short hiatus from social media (excluding SDN since it seems like this is a great stress reliever for you). It’s gives you a chance to fully heal before seeing those things again.
 
Woaaah there. Can we now not bump old threads at all?

I tried to complain about the avatar editing on new SDN on the hey guys... avatar change! thread and SDN just told me no.

Not, "are you sure you want to post in this old thread?" but "It is very likely that it does not need any further discussion and thus bumping it serves no purpose" and wouldn't let me post. And that's some bull****.
 
Trilt said:
Woaaah there. Can we now not bump old threads at all?

I tried to complain about the avatar editing on new SDN on the hey guys... avatar change! thread and SDN just told me no.

Not, "are you sure you want to post in this old thread?" but "It is very likely that it does not need any further discussion and thus bumping it serves no purpose" and wouldn't let me post. And that's some bull****.
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I believe threads are closed now when they haven't been posted on for a year or more. There's been some ritualistic bumping in the lounge now because of it
 
vetmedhead said:
I believe threads are closed now when they haven't been posted on for a year or more. There's been some ritualistic bumping in the lounge now because of it
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That is super duper obnoxious.

I understand a reminder and a "Are you SURE you want to post in this?" type heads up, but there are definitely legitimate reasons to post in older than a year threads when you have an established community...
 
Trilt said:
Woaaah there. Can we now not bump old threads at all?
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It's on the post-upgrade "to do list" that WildWing is keeping track of and said was forwarded to the 3rd party developer/admin person, but it's been a couple months without any tangible updates or communications. I hope some headway happens soon.
 
WildZoo said:
Can I pen a strongly worded letter to SDN for this "Guide to Pets" article that mentions keeping goldfish in a bowl? 😡
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Lupin21 said:
Interesting....

I am all for someone presenting the veterinary side of pet ownership for the medical student/intern. We need more pieces from the vet community. I am hoping to eventually represent our community once I get my feet under me...
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Elkhart said:
Yes, please do.
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Skimble said:
I'd happily help with that.
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genny said:
My biggest problem with the article is that one little line they slip in under the financial situation that mentions "veterinarian bills if your pet gets sick". Um, no. Your pet should see a veterinarian at least annually, not just when they get sick.
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Attached is the quick "vet med" version I spent the last hour or so typing up. It's a down and dirty rough draft with absolutely no editing as I finished it 2.5 minutes ago. I have no references as I was taking a lot of the info from what I remembered from my electives/clinical rotations. So if you have a viable source to add, please add!!! 😀 Please rip it to shreds if it needs it. lol
 

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vetmedhead said:
I used to do a presentation on this topic for my residents when I was an RA
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Same. When I was an RD, a girl was dumb enough to snap chat that she snuck a cat into the dorms. Someone ratted her out and I got to interrupt some *interpersonal physical activity* between her and her boyfriend to tell her to get rid of the cat.
 
batsenecal said:
Attached is the quick "vet med" version I spent the last hour or so typing up. It's a down and dirty rough draft with absolutely no editing as I finished it 2.5 minutes ago. I have no references as I was taking a lot of the info from what I remembered from my electives/clinical rotations. So if you have a viable source to add, please add!!! 😀 Please rip it to shreds if it needs it. lol
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Maybe add in a tidbit in the "exotic" pet sections that if someone is considering adopting one of these species it is recommended they seek/search for a vet prior to getting said species. Since it can be harder to find a vet that will see "exotics" it is a good recommendation that someone considering owning one of these species know where their veterinary option(s) is(are). This will allow them to see if they can realistically own an exotic pet as if their closest vet is too far away for them to be willing to drive to for regular exams or even at the first sign the pet is sick, then an exotic pet isn't a good fit for them. 🙂
 
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batsenecal said:
Attached is the quick "vet med" version I spent the last hour or so typing up. It's a down and dirty rough draft with absolutely no editing as I finished it 2.5 minutes ago. I have no references as I was taking a lot of the info from what I remembered from my electives/clinical rotations. So if you have a viable source to add, please add!!! 😀 Please rip it to shreds if it needs it. lol
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Round of applause, I love it
DVMDream said:
Maybe add in a tidbit in the "exotic" pet sections that if someone is considering adopting one of these species it is recommended they seek/search for a vet prior to getting said species. Since it can be harder to find a vet that will see "exotics" it is a good recommendation that someone considering owning one of these species know where their veterinary option(s) is(are). This will allow them to see if they can realistically own an exotic pet as if their closest vet is too far away for them to be willing to drive to for regular exams or even at the first sign the pet is sick, then an exotic pet isn't a good fit for them. 🙂
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So much this. We see so many exotics emergencies from people that had traveled 3+ hours because they didn't realize there was no exotics vet in their area and so wait until the animal is basically dead to get it seen.
 
I have to rant!

I have had a great summer job for two years with an equine vet. We got along great and he paid very well. I had two options for the summer and spoke to him. He said I'd be making the same amount and he wanted to teach me even more this summer. I turned down the other job. Went on first trip with him and everything was great. Went on a second trip and fine. Then he paid me, less than agreed on. I thought it was a mistake so I mentioned it, very diplomatically. He got mad (just showed on his face) and handed me another $100. I said thank you and moved on. Well I had a 4 day weekend and texted when I got back to find out what he wanted next. Just like he wanted me to do. No answer. Asked again. Nothing for two weeks. I finally gave up left home and went back to campus to try and find a job for the rest of the summer. He finally texts and says I had priced myself out of the job! What? All he needed to say is that he was paying less this summer and why. If he had discussed it with me all would have been fine, I wouldn't have been thrilled but would have taken the lower salary at that point. I learned that I have to get my salary in writing! This guy didn't do that.

Now I'm stuck with no job for the rest of the summer. All the campus jobs taken and I'm annoyed even though I know it was partially my fault. Oh well. I have one meeting today with a department head but I don't think he has anything. Then I'm going to go try to get a generic job somewhere around town til school starts. I'll just study for the GRE and my on-line english class.

And in the same week my new Macbook pro fell out of my car into a puddle and has to be replaced, AND my bank account got hacked and they can only send the card back to my parent's house. Thank you for letting me vent!
 
Polocrosse2017 said:
I have to rant!

I have had a great summer job for two years with an equine vet. We got along great and he paid very well. I had two options for the summer and spoke to him. He said I'd be making the same amount and he wanted to teach me even more this summer. I turned down the other job. Went on first trip with him and everything was great. Went on a second trip and fine. Then he paid me, less than agreed on. I thought it was a mistake so I mentioned it, very diplomatically. He got mad (just showed on his face) and handed me another $100. I said thank you and moved on. Well I had a 4 day weekend and texted when I got back to find out what he wanted next. Just like he wanted me to do. No answer. Asked again. Nothing for two weeks. I finally gave up left home and went back to campus to try and find a job for the rest of the summer. He finally texts and says I had priced myself out of the job! What? All he needed to say is that he was paying less this summer and why. If he had discussed it with me all would have been fine, I wouldn't have been thrilled but would have taken the lower salary at that point. I learned that I have to get my salary in writing! This guy didn't do that.

Now I'm stuck with no job for the rest of the summer. All the campus jobs taken and I'm annoyed even though I know it was partially my fault. Oh well. I have one meeting today with a department head but I don't think he has anything. Then I'm going to go try to get a generic job somewhere around town til school starts. I'll just study for the GRE and my on-line english class.

And in the same week my new Macbook pro fell out of my car into a puddle and has to be replaced, AND my bank account got hacked and they can only send the card back to my parent's house. Thank you for letting me vent!
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I’m really sorry! That really sucks...
 
Today was just a really bad day at work playing catch up for a pharmacist who is still learning, and arguing with an insurance company who told me two different contradictory things depending on who I spoke to (I've never considered myself someone who would go off on overworked call center workers until today).
 
I’ve been waiting for UPS to come and pick up boxes to ship all morning. They said they’d be here between 8-1 so I’ve literally just been waiting for them all day. I have to get my car serviced, make a good will drop, run by Home Depot, and go to trader joes to get car snacks and I can’t do any of that until they come.
I went to the bathroom for 2 minutes and UPS came and left. They didn’t even knock, or if they did, it wasn’t very loudly because I didn’t hear it.
I’m livid.
I called UPS and now they’ll be back by 3pm (they wanted to say by 5pm and I was like LOL NO I can’t sit here until 5 I’m driving across the country tomorrow and I have **** to do).
I’m angry crying rn. This is the last thing I needed.
Sitting for 4 hours and missed them in the 2 minutes it took me to pee. JFC
 
grebes4lyfe said:
I’ve been waiting for UPS to come and pick up boxes to ship all morning. They said they’d be here between 8-1 so I’ve literally just been waiting for them all day. I have to get my car serviced, make a good will drop, run by Home Depot, and go to trader joes to get car snacks and I can’t do any of that until they come.
I went to the bathroom for 2 minutes and UPS came and left. They didn’t even knock, or if they did, it wasn’t very loudly because I didn’t hear it.
I’m livid.
I called UPS and now they’ll be back by 3pm (they wanted to say by 5pm and I was like LOL NO I can’t sit here until 5 I’m driving across the country tomorrow and I have **** to do).
I’m angry crying rn. This is the last thing I needed.
Sitting for 4 hours and missed them in the 2 minutes it took me to pee. JFC
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I hate UPS with a passion. The driver in the area I used to live just came to the apartments with a stack of sorry we missed you already filled out, stuck them on doors and left. If I wanted them to actually deliver something I had to wait at the window and watch for them because under no circumstances would they knock. They absolutely refuse to do their job and deserve a fiery pit in hell.

Fedex wasn't much better, they would frequently toss things on my second floor balcony, even if labeled fragile, often into the snow. It ruined a bunch of electronics.
 
Coopah said:
I hate UPS with a passion. The driver in the area I used to live just came to the apartments with a stack of sorry we missed you already filled out, stuck them on doors and left. If I wanted them to actually deliver something I had to wait at the window and watch for them because under no circumstances would they knock. They absolutely refuse to do their job and deserve a fiery pit in hell.

Fedex wasn't much better, they would frequently toss things on my second floor balcony, even if labeled fragile, often into the snow. It ruined a bunch of electronics.
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I've never had a problem with UPS. The drivers just leave whatever it is on the doorstep and go. That whole sorry we missed you s%*t sounds awful.
 
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