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So I hear all this talk about some major transformations occuring at USC that promises to transform it into one of the top places in the country.
What exactly are these changes that are being implemented. Anyone knows?

Cheers.
 
this is something id like to know as well....

tho it wouldnt matter since keck would be one of my top choices if i got accepted.

maybe even do more with the inner cities than what they are doing right now?

no clue.
 
Originally posted by adesua
So I hear all this talk about some major transformations occuring at USC that promises to transform it into one of the top places in the country.
What exactly are these changes that are being implemented. Anyone knows?

Cheers.

Every medical school with some degree of funding and academic reputation is in the midst of "major transformations that will transform it into one of the top places in the country"

The problem is, since every school is upgrading, few schools move up relative to others.

Take a look at any medical center. Most likely, there are tons of cranes all over. So much so that if you are lost during your first week of med school, you can just follow the tall cranes back home.

I think we are really seeing some form of the Req Queen Hypothesis for med schools, and its a good thing. All schools are improving absolutely, but are remaining more or less fixed relatively. The big winners are faculty, med students, and patients.

And I would imagine some part of this competition has to do with US News Rankings. Perhaps one of the few good things to have come out of that publication.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
And I would imagine some part of this competition has to do with US News Rankings. Perhaps one of the few good things to have come out of that publication.

Haha so true. All us news does is makes premeds more neurotic about their scores and where to apply.
 
To expand a bit on Gleevec's point, I've now interviewed at schools ranging from #1 to unranked (in the eyes of USNews, at least), and every one of them had some major new research center or initiative coming down the pipeline. And, since the higher ranked schools generally have more money, larger institutional donors, and richer alumni, there's sort of a "rich get richer" dynamic as the new facilities at the bigger-name schools make the additions at the smaller schools pale in comparison.

Think about what it takes to really improve a school's stature, whether by USNews rankings or otherwise. You can poach hordes of high-yield faculty members from other schools that will bring in lots of research dollars and prestige, but that's extremely difficult to do on a large enough scale that would really affect perceptions. You could start attracting "better" students, but that's sort of like the tail wagging the dog.

The factors that affect reputation and rankings can change over long periods of time, but it will generally take more than a new research building and/or a curriculum change. In the long run, there will be schools with better leadership that will be able to shift upwards in the rankings over several years, but most schools will tread water.

That said, if a school is one of your top choices and you really like the place, you probably shouldn't even bother letting this kind of stuff play into your decision.
 
Yeah, on the one hand, dont assume that a curriculum overhaul or a new research building will lead to a meteoric climb in the US News ranking. This situation is extremely unlikely.

But do remember that the fact that the school you wish to attend is undergoing renovations and new construction means that the school is in good financial health and that you are most likely in really good hands.

Construction is always a good thing for a med center =)
 
Wow. If ever there was a post that I should post on. Let me add 2 disclaimers. 1. Gleevec is right. 2. I'm president of a few things here so I know more information about this stuff than almost any other student because I've been to way to many meetings on it.

Now onto some things that have happened, will happen, etc, etc.

As you know, we are Keck School of Medicine at USC. This is because a foundation named after Keck gave us 110$ million dollars. This money was originally trying to be given to UCLA, but it was taking 3+ years because of red tape and stuff over at UCLA. Steve Sample, current president of USC, called up the chair of the Keck foundation and told him that if he wanted to give the money to a medical school, USC would be a great choice. He could go strait through the presidents office and it would take less than a month. With the 110$ million dollars, the med school would be named after Keck and also strive to be a powerhouse in research. We promised to raise 330$ million in matching funds and be a top ten school in ten years in research funding (not USNews)

That was 3-4 years ago. So far, we have raised 400 Million in gifts to the school and have reset the goal to getting one billion in ten years (Even in this bad economy. We made the promise during the boom years, figuring it would be easier) We have completed one research building which is estimated to bring in 30-40$ Mill a year in research funding, and have 1 more research buildings that should be complete by next March and another just had ground broken so that it will be finished next December. 3 new wings to currently existing hospitals have been built (open in 2-3 months) and another one is just had ground broken on it. One research building just had it?s ground broken and construction will start within a month or two. The largest of the currently planned research building will break ground in another couple of months. Funding for all buildings planned right now is fully complete. There is also a new hospital being built to replace county hospital, but that won?t do anything to help Keck become a better research hospital, except that I think we are going to inherit County hospital (which can?t be used for patients after 2010 because the building is to old) which will be used for more research and office space. Our NIH research funding has gone from 78$ Million 4 years ago to 150-160$ million this year. Top ten is about 310$ Million right now, but the number will prolly go up. I think we?ll end up top 15-20 (right now I think we are around 25)

That was pretty dry, now for the cooler stuff.

I?m a second year here at Keck. Once we got the Keck gift, we actually started actively recruiting students, which we had never done before. The first year we did that, we offered 250 acceptances, and 195 people enrolled for a class of 168. That mistake wasn?t done again. But the level of people who have enrolled here has gotten consistently better. The class above me had the highest MCAT and GPA in school history. My class beat them by .8 on the MCAT and .05 on GPA. The current first year class beat my class. I?m fairly sure the class of 2008 will beat them.
We also implemented a new curriculum 3 years ago. The current third years are the first people to have it. It switched to a systems based curriculum from a standard curriculum. Right now we have a maximum of 20 hours a week of class and 3-6 hours a week of patient interviews/physical diagnoses a week. It also changed to pass/fail the first 2 years, and all new learning stops March 10th so that you have 7 weeks of review (12 hours of review class a week), one week for a clinical test, one week for a year end test (one day that week) and then 4 weeks before you start rotations. There was a few snags in their teaching, since it was the first time the material had been taught this way. At most schools when they put in a new curriculum, there is a dip in the board scores for the first class to go through it, and then it rises above the former average. The current third years scared 5 points more than the previous class and easily the best in our history. My class should beat them easily, in part because we are smarter than them, and in part because we didn?t have any of the problems they had. ( I feel sorry for them. They always complained, but they didn?t fix it for them but they fixed it for us)


Those are some of the main things that has happened here. I don?t think we will end up a top ten school in either ranking, in part because other schools are trying to improve, too. I look at it as Keck/USC is finally living up to it?s potential, especially considering it?s location and the name USC has. I think we will prolly end up in the 20-25 range in USNews when all is said and done.
 
Originally posted by Jalby
Wow.

As you know, we are Keck School of Medicine at USC. This is because a foundation named after Keck gave us 110$ million dollars. This money was originally trying to be given to UCLA, but it was taking 3+ years because of red tape and stuff over at UCLA.


....... But the level of people who have enrolled here has gotten consistently better. The class above me had the highest MCAT and GPA in school history. My class beat them by .8 on the MCAT and .05 on GPA. The current first year class beat my class. I?m fairly sure the class of 2008 will beat them.


I am wondering why the Keck Foundation was trying to give the $ to UCLA?

Was it before or after UCLA received about $200(?) from David Geffen?

Why does UCLA appear to be everyone's first choice to receive big $?

Also, I tend to think that USC or any UC wouldn't have any problem elevating the matriculants' mean GPA and MCAT scores for few consecutive years even the quality of the applicants remains the same. It would be nice to also enjoy the applicants' stats from the past few years. Thanks
 
Originally posted by calcrew14
I am wondering why the Keck Foundation was trying to give the $ to UCLA?
donno. They give out lot's of $$$$.

Was it before of after UCLA received about $200(?) from David Geffen?

Before


Why does UCLA appear to be everyone's first choice to receive big $?

Probably because that is where rich people go to get medical treatment (and Cedar Sinai) So they have more of an attachment to the hospital. Or because they went to school at UCLA. (I think Geffen went there, but I'm not sure)


Also, I tend to think that USC or any UC wouldn't have any problem elevating the matriculants' mean GPA and MCAT scores for few consecutive years even the quality of the applicants remains the same. It would be nice to also enjoy the applicants' stats from the past few years. Thanks


Why would you say this??? Most schools pick the best applicants they can every year.
 
Didnt Geffen go to UCLA for film school?

The Keck foundation donates a ton of money to all sorts of schools, there is usually a building or two named after him at most med schools.
 
I think he/she means that they could just pick people with the highest numbers and ignore the important stuff. I certainly wouldn't want to be part of that class.
 
Originally posted by mfleur
I think he/she means that they could just pick people with the highest numbers and ignore the important stuff. I certainly wouldn't want to be part of that class.

Oh, you mean make USC into WashU.

I dont know if USCers would enjoy that.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
Oh, you mean make USC into WashU.

I dont know if USCers would enjoy that.

Ahh. Now I understand. I don't think that has happened. My class had 2 different Holloween party, and mfluers class all went to a West Holleywood club on the guest list.
 
Originally posted by mfleur
I think he/she means that they could just pick people with the highest numbers and ignore the important stuff. I certainly wouldn't want to be part of that class.

You are correct. I pointed it out only in hope of a more complete info (from every school), if possible.

There is a lot of well qualified applicants to all schools here. Adcoms wouldn't have to go all the way to the extreme to do it. It takes only some awareness and a little adjustment.

BTW, I would be more than glad to be part of that class or any class at USC.
 
Wow, that's a pretty massive fund-raising drive. I remember seeing Keck at a med school recruiting/info fair at my college two years ago. The admissions people were really nice and into telling you about the school. They realized many people may not have considered them before.

A similar thing happened to my high school. They got a massive donation, similar size as the Keck donation, and revamped facilities and actively recruited students they couldn't get before (plus giving great financial aid to students who couldn't afford the school before). The classes of students they started enrolling were an entirely different caliber than those before, and the school has a much better reputation now.
 
periodic,

where did you go to high school? i have a good guess and am wondering if i'm right.
 
out of curiosity, what were the average gpa and mcat scores for the most recent entering class? anyone know?
and i know i heard that when you get your interview at keck doesn't really make a difference in whether you're accepted or not, but is that really true? it'd be hard to believe....
 
Originally posted by camstah
i know i heard that when you get your interview at keck doesn't really make a difference in whether you're accepted or not, but is that really true? it'd be hard to believe....

Camstah,

What do you mean exactly?
 
USC is number two in the nation!!!

Oh, this is about medical schools not college football...oh well, Texas is number 12 now!!!
 
well, i think it says on the keck application (or somewhere anyhow) that when you schedule your interview (which they make easy by doing it all online) they say that whether you schedule it for the soonest possible date or for later on in the admissions timeline won't make a difference as to whether you're more likely to get accepted or not.....i think it said that decisions aren't really made until march or may or something....but that sounds wrong if people are getting acceptances soon after interviewing...it would make it a rolling admissions process....so now i'm just confused as to whether it really is a rolling admissions thing or not.........
 
It's my understanding that there's also been a change in the admissions policy so that there is less emphasis on diversity and legacy like there used to be. Therefore, while the numbers may be increasing it may not tell the whole story. In addition, I am always skeptical of statistics like gpas and board scores because certain lesser ranked schools enroll more students from easier undergradute schools and the teaching focus may have shifted from becoming a quality physician to obtaining better scores.
 
havent checked SDN forever but I saw this and I had to post - I love my class (2007) - i have been having a great time at SC - the people are fun, football is fun, school hours arent terrible and my experiences at county have already been incredible even though i have only been in school for a couple months.

Yay usc!
And yes, the halloween party in hollywood was very fun (although, lets be honest, i wish i remembered more of it! 😉 )
 
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