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I’m not convinced alley is a wolf. But i don’t know where the reflection ability would reflect back a seer or not.

for now, although I love you today you’ve made me nervous. I’m not sure about you so for now yeet enigma
 
if it's all about this morning's cult focus, I'll remind that i also spent several posts last night digging through vis's history for wolf data (including acknowledging that our votes have frequently been aligned, even when that's the reason alleycat has come under suspicion). The reason i focused strong on cult this morning is that zepp's death made me dig through that history and find the conflicting info on night messages re: vet01, which in combo with my previous suspicions makes me pretty confident vet was converted cult. but if yeeting cult isn't in our best interests tonight, i'm willing to vote elsewhere, and alleycat is the current alternative that has been presented. i'm open to better alternatives.
 
Hey whoever I think is trying to protect us don’t put kras in a room tonight. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

I just think vet is not the way to go because at worst they’re cult and that doesn’t matter tonight.
 
I don't believe it's vet01, I tend to agree with samac on that one, at worst cult. I need to look more into yesterday's sequence of events with Visc before I decide on a vote, but I'll try and make sure I vote before 7 pm, because I'm starting a 28 hr shift then.
 
I'm not convinced Alleycat is a wolf. IF she were a wolf, the smart decision would be to diversify the votes (which has been mentioned multiple times in the past). Because ALL 5 of her votes (from Enigma's previous list) aligned with Vis, I think it is far more likely that this happened due to a coincidence rather than voting together as wolves. Personally, I think it would be a better bet to look down at the list and see who voted similarly to Vis, rather than all the same (therefore people who voted 3,4 times with Vis). I know I am included in this list, but personally I think this might be a better direction to follow, if looking at previous voting patterns.

Looking back at Zepp's comments, she was sus of Vis and Enigma before she died, and it turns out Vis was a wolf. Enigma was also very strongly interested in yeeting off a cult member rather than wolves this morning, which I do understand, but personally as a village member that was not where my first thoughts would have gone. I'm not sure about this so will definitely do more reading before finalizing my yeet vote, but for the moment anyways...

Yeet Enigma

*edited to bold
 
I feel like defending myself will probably dig me deeper, but gonna do it anyway:

thanks wolves, sorry we're gonna keep trying to yeet you now

Do we know if leaderless cult members pose a danger to the village? if so, I would vote to yeet, but if not, better to look for wolves

I don't read vet01 as wolf (can cult convert wolves? we don't even know) but i def read them as cult convert.

If this is because you think i'm going too hard on cult, that's fair. And I do think the argument that cult can't grow tonight is a good point, so I'm willing to change my vote to a wolf targeting one.
I've been clear from the get go that I don't think vet is wolf, and I was not the only one discussing cults, including the possibility of a second cult leader this morning. I put a vote in early because i was trying not to be a last minute vote as I've usually been but I'm listening to others thoughts and waffling accordingly.
 
Since Zepp has some sort of seer abilities and was right about Vis, I am going to go off of that and for now

yet enigma

I feel like I have some deeper dives I need to do and I don’t trust Zepp but they were right about Vis..... but for now, there is where my suspicions lie
 
Ugh, as per usual, I feel like I have no idea what I think.

I really don't think vet01 is village, and I think there's a strong possibility that they're wolf converted to cult, but no one else seems convinced by that and I don't want to throw away my vote.

Unyeet vet01
 
Day 6: Oh Bother Yeet Tally

Vet01 ()
alleycat (3) - mayo, TelemarketingEnigma, booksandshoes
TelemarketingEnigma (3) - samac, Randomizereh, lumya

6/16

Leading: ---

Missing: more than half

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Yeet/Vote closes at 9pm Eastern (~4.5 hours)
 
Updated yeet lists:

Day 2: Whodunnit *FINAL* Yeet Tally
sunshinefl (15)
- V, m935, supershorty, jhmmd, alleycat, Philosloth, Random, anthony210, Lawpy, Nasterzinger, Telemarketing, samac, Aprilthearab, vetschools, biomajor
Viscernable (1) - kras
Bread (1) - Bread
biomajor2019 (7) - pawprintsandponytails, booksandshoes, mammalade, hallowmann, sunshinefl, vet01, cessnaflyer
M935 ()
alleycat ()
Nasterzinger ()
cessnaflyer (3) - Zeppoli, mayo, Lumya
samac ()

27/27
leading: @sunshinefl
Missing: n/a

Day 3: This Whomps *FINAL* Yeet Tally
Lawpy ()
biomajor (5) - jhmmd, Randomizereh, books, pawprintsandponytails, hallowmann
cessnaflyer (11) - Vet01, nasty, mayo, Zeppoli, M935, supershorty, Viscernable, TelemarketingEnigma, mammalade, alleycat, biomajor2019
jhmmd (1)
- Aprilthearab
Randomizereh (1) - kras
hallowmann (3) - Lawpy, samac, Breadmann
Booksandshoes ()
lumya ()
Breadmann (1) - lumya
M935 (1) - cessna

23/24
Leading: @cessnaflyer
Missing: @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Day 4: I Am Batman *FINAL* Yeet Tally
biomajor2019 (6) -
Viscernable, alleycats, jhmmd, Booksandshoes, samac, hallowmann
Viscernable (1) - Vet01
alleycat (6) - mayo, Bread, Zeppoli, TelemarketingEnigma, vetschools, Lawpy
Bread (2) - M935, lumya
Vet01 (1) - kras, supershorty
Zeppelyn ()
kras ()
Booksandshoes (2) - Aprilthearab, Nasterzinger
M935 (1) - mammalade

19/22
Leading: @biomajor2019 & @alleycat03
Missing: @Randomizereh @biomajor2019 @...someone else

Day 5 FINAL They're Heeeere Yeet Tally
mayo (1) - alleycat
Nasterzinger (2) - mammalade, random
Randomizereh (2) - Booksandshoes, lumya
Bread ()
Zepp ()
Vis (8) - Vet01, Zepp, samac, kras, bread, hallow, mayo, nas
Vet01 (2) - Enigma, shorty
hallows (1) - april

16/18
Winner: @Viscernable
Missing: @Viscernable @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Dead and gone as of D5
11. @JHon1 - Inspector Gadget, gift-giving villager
1. @sheepcowdoghorse23 - Scrooge McDuck, vanillager
2. @sunshinefl - Winnie the Pooh, vanillager
3. @PhiloslothicalStudent - Haunter, absentee villager and mayor
4. @anthony210 - Elmer Fudd, Independent Murderer
5. @cessnaflyer - Wolverine, bulletproof (x2) villager
6. @pawprintsandponytails - Scooby Doo, village tracker
7. @biomajor2019 - Spider-Man, village blocker
8. jhmmd - Wakko, paranoid mason
9. @Matthew9Thirtyfive - Miss Frizzle, night cancel villager turned cult follower
10. @Lawpy - Buttercup, vengeful villager
11. @Viscernable - Mandark, wolf silencer
12. @Zeppelyn - Calvin, cultist seer
 
Until yesterday, alleycats has been hanging right with V in the bandwagons, which is enough of a reason for me to
yeet alleycats
 
Until yesterday, alleycats has been hanging right with V in the bandwagons, which is enough of a reason for me to
yeet alleycats
For the same reason I’m gonna yeet alleycats
im also sus of vet01 and naster but this one seems to have slightly stronger reasoning
 
I don’t know how abilities work with the reflector thing but if you can get a good read on alley I don’t think she is wolf.
 
I don’t know how abilities work with the reflector thing but if you can get a good read on alley I don’t think she is wolf.
Being a reflector can be really useful for a wolf, just as it can for a villager. I'm not going by anybody's power, but votes can't be hidden. TME was also in most of the bandwagons, so also sus, but I just feel like alleycat (despite saying they've been following other people in panic voting) has been stuck pretty closely to V and nobody else.
 
Being a reflector can be really useful for a wolf, just as it can for a villager. I'm not going by anybody's power, but votes can't be hidden. TME was also in most of the bandwagons, so also sus, but I just feel like alleycat (despite saying they've been following other people in panic voting) has been stuck pretty closely to V and nobody else.
Sure it can be a wolf ability, but I’m not sure she’s a wolf.
 
I think the best way to defend myself is explain all of my votes for each day. So here are some quoted posts from day 1

I agree with M935, I feel like there’s not much of a risk in voting to yeet sunshine but I want her to defend herself and explain before I cast a vote. I’m still semi-confused on how many wolves there are? Do we think there’s like 3 or 4?

Based on my very limited knowledge, it seems more likely that there was a double kill or a 3P was involved. If the two killed villagers were linked, I think either their cartoons or the MO of how they were killed would be related.

Hello, I am here and finally caught up on the thread. I think Lawpy is trying to tell us something with his changing vote. I am sus of sunshine being a 3P or a wolf, based on what I’m interpreting from the silenced lawpy and the cryptic message from the start of day.

I’m a noob and very confused, but what exactly do we lose if we vote her out and she is just a vanilla villager? We don’t have any other info or leads, and the worst thing that happens is we lose 1 villager. I feel like we’re going blind here and the best thing to do for now is vote for sunshine.

I can be convinced otherwise if people provide more evidence but for now

yeet sunshinefl

What do you suggest we do? I’m hoping for another vote tally soon with an update from Lawpy but until we have that, the only obvious thing I’m seeing is to vote for sunshine? Especially if lawpy is trying to communicate with us and point us to her. Though this may just be what the wolves want us to do, gang up on a random villager instead of seeking them out.

Here it is. I promise I’m trying to be active, I have just been working a lot and it’s hard to catch up.

I voted for sunshine because we haven’t had a clear alternative option presented. I think we should chill for a second and see if Lawpy can give us some intel. I think voting for sunshine is the least risky option at the moment since the write-up singled her out for a specific reason.

Since lawpy changed his vote, and he was instructed by M935 to only change if he knows for sure, I’m sticking with my vote for sunshine.

Are you able to clarify this? Is this a special ability you have? Might point to some wolves sneaking around at night and their cartoon characters make those sounds.


All of these posts are from day 1. I worked all day that day and tried to check in to the thread as much as I could once I got off work. To me, it seems like a lot of my posts sound like a typical noob villager, since that is what I am.

I voted for sunshine on day 1 because of the intel from Lawpy and the fact that sunshine was called out in that day's write-up. We now know to not trust the random person in the write-up, but at the time we went off of the information we knew. I voted earlier in the day and stuck with my vote after getting intel from Lawpy.
 
But how do we have a guarantee that reflecting is not a wolf ability. It does however sound like you would not be able to be turned into a cultist.
I just learned from my manator that wolves can have the reflector ability too, and it depends on the mods and game mechanics whether or not they include it. Apparently wolves can have almost any ability. So I guess pointing out my role doesn't really prove that I am not a wolf. The only thing I can say regarding why I revealed my role is that I genuinely did not know wolves could have abilities, especially the reflector ability, until my manator told me that was possible. Regardless, several people did night actions on me last night and they were reflected back on them. I am guessing the silencing person may have done their action, and now they cannot speak?


I'm not convinced Alleycat is a wolf. IF she were a wolf, the smart decision would be to diversify the votes (which has been mentioned multiple times in the past). Because ALL 5 of her votes (from Enigma's previous list) aligned with Vis, I think it is far more likely that this happened due to a coincidence rather than voting together as wolves. Personally, I think it would be a better bet to look down at the list and see who voted similarly to Vis, rather than all the same (therefore people who voted 3,4 times with Vis). I know I am included in this list, but personally I think this might be a better direction to follow, if looking at previous voting patterns.

Looking back at Zepp's comments, she was sus of Vis and Enigma before she died, and it turns out Vis was a wolf. Enigma was also very strongly interested in yeeting off a cult member rather than wolves this morning, which I do understand, but personally as a village member that was not where my first thoughts would have gone. I'm not sure about this so will definitely do more reading before finalizing my yeet vote, but for the moment anyways...

Yeet Enigma

*edited to bold

I think Random has a great point here. I'm not sure what motivated them to defend me, but it makes no sense for me to vote the same way as Vis every day. The only reason I didn't switch to voting out Vis yesterday is because I voted early on and was then away from my computer celebrating Christmas with my family and did not have the chance to get caught up on the thread until after the yeet deadline.
 
@alleycat03 the write up from Vis's yeeting says they were able to silence and they're dead now. I don't know if it's safe to assume that only one person would have a particular ability but it doesn't seem completely impossible to me either that no one else can silence at this point.
 
I'm not completely convinced that allycat or enigma are wolfs. Ally for the reasons stated above, and that I could be pointed out as well for the connection. And Enigma for the fact of not pushing the campaign for mayor harsh (V voted for samac). I feel that Enigma wouldve pushed more for mayor being another power for the wolves.
 
I will say as I said previously that i'm not 100% on alleycat being wolf and I appreciate their response here. But seeing as the current alternative is me, I've gotta stick with my vote now unless a stronger alternative is presented.

while we're presenting defenses, if the thought is that zepp seered me, I can say that the only night action that has been performed on me was someone on N4 offering me bandages and tinctures that I did not need. I suppose that could be a weird way of seering someone, or perhaps some abilities are not noticed by the recipient of the action, but to my knowledge I have not been approached by anyone else in the night. @samac can confirm this one, as I was the random villager her PM bounced to instead of Lawpy, and I shared this info with her. I realize that saying this could dig me deeper as perhaps those PMs contributed to her suspicion, but I can share that on my end they were basically the same speculations I have shared publicly in this thread

I also feel like if I was a wolf, laying low after vis's yeet would've been a much better idea than diving into the public speculation immediately like I did (which does seem to have backfired to some extent, but I was willing to share my own voting flaws if it would help us find a wolf)
 
Day 2 voting explanation

I think mainly that they had been inactive so they might be a wolf keeping a low profile. I’m not sure yet, so I’m holding off on a yeet vote for now. Does anybody want to campaign to be our new mayor?
(this was response for why cessna was being put up as a possibility for yeeting) As you can tell, at first I was not suspicious of cessna and felt more suspicious about hallows at that point.
I have not been productive at work today due to checking this thread so often 🤷‍♀️. Luckily it’s my last day of work before the holidays!
I worked all day on Tuesday and was checking in to the thread periodically.
This is based mainly off of a gut feeling, but biomajor doesn’t seem wolf-y to me.
I think Lawpy has some good points and I trust his judgement since he’s played multiple games before. So this is a very tentative vote.

I kind of feel like I’m shooting in the dark but I get more wolf-y vibes from hallows than biomajor, plus biomajor is usually just busy and chimes in once she’s done at work. I am curious to see her defense post.

yeet hallowmann
^On Tuesday, I did not feel confident that Biomajor was a wolf. I was following lawpy and his judgements as an experienced player. I was hoping she would defend herself and explain that she was not a wolf.
I need biomajor to come on here and defend herself (presuming she’s not silenced) because I am stuck between her and hallows, and it’s a close vote.


Nas, can you tell us more about needing jelly? Do you have any other info? I feel like that was kind of glossed over in the past few pages.
^I still did not trust hallows at that point, but did not feel confident in the vote for either Biomajor or Cessna, since both of them seemed like villagers to me.

Unyeet hallowmann

yeet cessna


I trust M935 and ties stress me out
^This post was made at 7:49CST/8:49EST, so only 11 minutes before the deadline. I literally commented while in the Taco Bell drivethru trying to get dinner for myself and my SO. I followed Lawpy and M935 (RIP) on the votes since they were the experienced players and I trusted them the most. Also note that sloth had been killed and we had not elected Samac yet, so we did not know what would happen if there was a tie that night.

You seem to know what you’re doing (and you’re one of the few people who have played before). Once I found out ties could cause both people to die (and we potentially lose 2 villagers if we were wrong) I wanted to prevent a tie. Hopefully Cessna was a good choice.
^This was a response to M935 after the yeet vote, but before the write-up. I did not want to vote for either Cessna or Biomajor, but I wanted to avoid a tie since we had no clue what would happen.

Same. I was trying to avoid a tie and I trusted M935 since he doesn’t seem to be a wolf (the whole volunteering that he was shoved into a room). Maybe I shouldn’t have trusted him 🤔
^This was a response to Biomajor expressing my uncertainty about the vote and the entire wafflefest.



Lastly, these are just other clarifying posts I made on Tuesday to try and help piece everything together and try to uncover a wolf.
Are you able to clarify this? Is this a special ability you have? Might point to some wolves sneaking around at night and their cartoon characters make those sounds.
I know this is old, but I’m agreeing with this line of reasoning. On N1, Elmer/anthony210 probably killed inspector gadget/jhon1 and the wolves killed sheep/Scrooge, and then the wolves killed Elmer on N2? But sloth was also killed last night, and a cause of death was not given. So I’m thinking there’s some kind of 3P or vigilante wolf out there since we’ve now had 2 nights with 2 kills.
I go and get Taco Bell and come back to people voting to yeet me 😥 I’m just a noob trying to figure out who the wolves are, and clearly I’m not doing a good job. I still haven’t gotten a response from Nas about the Jelly and speaking in pig Latin.
 
Should we try and target one of the more active members or one of the silent people?
 
I will say as I said previously that i'm not 100% on alleycat being wolf and I appreciate their response here. But seeing as the current alternative is me, I've gotta stick with my vote now unless a stronger alternative is presented.

while we're presenting defenses, if the thought is that zepp seered me, I can say that the only night action that has been performed on me was someone on N4 offering me bandages and tinctures that I did not need. I suppose that could be a weird way of seering someone, or perhaps some abilities are not noticed by the recipient of the action, but to my knowledge I have not been approached by anyone else in the night. @samac can confirm this one, as I was the random villager her PM bounced to instead of Lawpy, and I shared this info with her. I realize that saying this could dig me deeper as perhaps those PMs contributed to her suspicion, but I can share that on my end they were basically the same speculations I have shared publicly in this thread

I also feel like if I was a wolf, laying low after vis's yeet would've been a much better idea than diving into the public speculation immediately like I did (which does seem to have backfired to some extent, but I was willing to share my own voting flaws if it would help us find a wolf)
Samac, can we get confirmation that your discussion was with TME? Samac said yesterday that the person their PM went to instead of Lawpy (since Lawpy died) was a "vanilla villager." I guess TME could be lying and saying to Samac that they are a regular villager, but now Samac is currently voting for TME?

Quotes:
mammalade said:
Did you learn anything that could help us find a wolf? Or at the very least someone who isn't a villager?
Unfortunately it was with a vanilla villager who doesn’t have much to help.
 
Samac, can we get confirmation that your discussion was with TME? Samac said yesterday that the person their PM went to instead of Lawpy (since Lawpy died) was a "vanilla villager." I guess TME could be lying and saying to Samac that they are a regular villager, but now Samac is currently voting for TME?

Quotes:
They did tell me they were a vanilla villager.
I guess my thoughts came from her coming out so hard against cultists this morning after going after vet yesterday and continuing this morning. And not going for Vis yesterday.
 
I didn't vote for vis yesterday because my initial suspicions were on zepp, and then I waffled to vet. While I recognize now that my reasoning there was wrong (I didn't like the way vet initially argued against vis/linked with zepp), I didn't end up being wrong about zepp...
 
as a reminder
unyeet zepp

yeet vet01


I just really get weird vibes from the way they initially pushed vis with a weird weak argument, even though others have followed through with better arguments. Not clearing vis at all though, it could be a wolf v. cult situation or something, or just a noob argument, I just don't feel strongly enough to jump on the bandwagon tonight. If it turns out y'all are getting it right I'll be very very happy
 
I think both Alley and I would likely be happy to consider a third option - there's a lot of people who haven't talked much today and haven't cast votes, so i suspect we'll have another race to the finish
 
Day 3 vote explanation:


I found biomajor’s defense yesterday to be pretty weak. I understand being busy at work, but after her shift was done she could’ve provided more evidence or a reasoning why she is not a wolf.

I’m also suspicious of bread and hallows still.

I’m driving home to see my family so I will hop back on here once I’m done driving.

for now,
Yeet biomajor
As I stated in my post, I spent several hours driving home to my family. I voted for Biomajor because she did not defend herself on Tuesday besides saying she was busy and just got off work.
For now, I’m still sticking with yeeting biomajor unless jhmmd can tell us more about zeppelyn without making herself a target. Honestly still confused on the whole mason role thing. If jhmmd is a mason, how can she also have another role that has a power?
Later in the day, I hopped back on to say that I was sticking with biomajor for the time being.

Guys do not vote me out. I am not a wolf. I have been trying to figure out who the wolves are since the beginning
It hit 7:50CST and I checked the thread to see a ton of panic votes for me. I was watching a movie with my family and frantically tried to defend myself.
I have not had any night actions this entire time. I have a passive ability to reflect, but that is it. Anybody switching to me is probably a wolf or jumping on some bandwagon
I haven’t had it used, but whatever people do to me I reflect back onto them
^In a panic, I revealed my role and posted about it as fast as I could.
I think it’s too late now but that’s literally all I know because nobody has done anything to me. It’s a passive ability and I haven’t had to use it
Hallows asked for clarification on my power, which I provided.

I was with family and realized it was 7:50 so I thought I would check the thread. Didn’t realize I would be uncovering a dumpster fire of people jumping to yeet me. Not sure how the vote tally will end up.
In case the tie does work in my favor.

I have been asking questions every single day and trying to connect the dots between the deaths, the night actions, and who the wolves could be. I’ve asked a lot of clarifying and noob questions, just look at my post history.

I was driving home today and spending time with my family, whom I haven’t seen in months. The past 2 days I was working all day, but I got on here as often as I could. I have been a lot more active than multiple players, and I was not really trying to lay low.

I switched votes yesterday to avoid a tie and because I trust M935 is a villager and an experienced player who actually knows what he’s doing.

The only points I’ve seen against me are that I haven’t been active enough and I have been bandwagon voting. I can explain more if people have other suspicions against me

Really hoping we can find the real wolves now.
After the yeet deadline had passed, I tried to defend myself in case I was saved by the tie.

I literally revealed my power to avoid being yeeted tonight. The wolves may still kill me but I really do not understand why people think I’m being wolf-y
As I just stated, I revealed my power to hopefully prove that I was a villager with a power. Now I know that apparently wolves can be reflectors too, as my manator told me just today.



These are just posts I made late on Tuesday/all day on Wednesday trying to clarify and again figure out who the wolves are:
The write ups have mentioned cyclops and his “dream” / hearing gunshots twice now. I feel like that’s significant somehow, and we should be focused on how the wolves are killing.
Cyclops “heard” the gunshots even though Elmer Fudd was the one who was killed, and he was killed by being beaten with his own gun? So were gunshots happening elsewhere?
I think lawpy is a 3P with a special power. He might have a win scenario if we yeet him on a certain day or something like that? I have also been sus of him since the weird sunshine vote, but yesterday he told us that he was silenced because of someone else. To me, it’s very weird that he was silenced twice if it’s not related to his ability.
So Nas is still searching for jelly, and he seems to be poisoned and has a punishment of some kind every time he doesn’t find it? The first day was the blue/bold text, yesterday was the pig Latin, and today he can only communicate in pics/gifs.

Can somebody please give him his jelly?? 🙄
No, I can’t see a roster.
If somebody else does have it out for lawpy, they might be trying to protect us or they’re stopping him from helping us.

it’s day 4 and I still feel like I know nothing about this game. When does the noobness feeling go away?
 
I felt strongly about Alley last night after our successful wolf hunt and the ensuing fever. Now I'm not so sure, just because it seems genuine that Alley wasn't aware that wolves could also reflect and did really think admitting that was a way of defending themselves. I could be wrong. All the bandwagons they were a part of with Vis also were bandwagons a lot of people jumped on. I would hope if Alley was wolf they would be smart enough to diversify themselves at least once.
 
I will keep doing my voting explanations, but I am taking a break for a second to point out that a lot of people have been quiet today and provide some reads.


I personally think that Hallows, Samac, Kras, Lumiya, april, and shorty are all villagers. This is based off of noob status questions, their posts that I've seen since I've been going through the thread for the past few hours, and the fact that Samac and Kras are masons. Maybe some of those people are cult members, but I do not think they are wolves. I also think TME is a villager based on their posting history and defense, unless they were lying to Samac yesterday in the PMs. Previously, I was suspicious of hallows, but their posts over the past few days have made me think they are a villager. Somebody pointed out a few days ago that Lumiya was just a noob villager, and that post convinced me of their allegiance.

Mayo has been gunning for me for a while, but I think I have adequately defended myself against their attacks. If they are a wolf, they have identified me as an "easy target" to be voted off even though I am clearly not a wolf. I have also been sus of Nas and their weird jelly posts for a while now, along with Bread and his jokes.

As for Random, Books, Vet01, Mammalade, and Vetsplz I am really not sure where any of them lie.
 
samac lead us in the right direction yesterday, so for now I’m going to put my vote with them hoping they know more and can’t reveal it to us

yeet enigma
 
samac lead us in the right direction yesterday, so for now I’m going to put my vote with them hoping they know more and can’t reveal it to us

yeet enigma
I do not have anything particularly against enigma.
I do believe alleycat is truthful.
 
samac lead us in the right direction yesterday, so for now I’m going to put my vote with them hoping they know more and can’t reveal it to us

yeet enigma
If you think I said something in the PMs, I'm happy to paraphrase my whole side of the convo here (not quote, since not allowed, and I won't share samac's contributions out of respect) I don't have much to lose so I'm putting everything out here for all to see

I'm increasingly thinking we're making a mistake with alleycat since they seem genuine with their defense here too, but I want to preserve myself as well for the sake of the village.

In interest of full disclosure of my reads, the only thing I feel really strongly about is vet01 as converted cult, but it seems we've agreed that it's not in the village interest to target that, hence my vote switch. I also believe samac/kras as masons, and don't get the feeling that either was converted. I don't have any confident wolf reads, but my list of "weird vibes" (which in all honesty are probably just noob vibes that we all give off) has at times included pretty much everyone else - lumya alleycat, april, mayo, hallow, breads, mammal. shorty and I have been aligned on a lot of things, so I sure hope they're village, but I dunno. I think Nas is some kind of 3P situation that I don't fully understand. I've never had a good read on random, books, or vetsplz in any direction
 
At this point, I feel like both Enigma and alleycat are both providing very good, very concrete evidence why they should not be yeeted.
As I just stated, I revealed my power to hopefully prove that I was a villager with a power. Now I know that apparently wolves can be reflectors too, as my manator told me just today.
These are just posts I made late on Tuesday/all day on Wednesday trying to clarify and again figure out who the wolves are:
I felt strongly about Alley last night after our successful wolf hunt and the ensuing fever. Now I'm not so sure, just because it seems genuine that Alley wasn't aware that wolves could also reflect and did really think admitting that was a way of defending themselves. I could be wrong. All the bandwagons they were a part of with Vis also were bandwagons a lot of people jumped on. I would hope if Alley was wolf they would be smart enough to diversify themselves at least once.
For me, this aligns to my theory about what I said before. I strongly believe that it was a huge coincidence that Alleycat voted similarly to Vis; when looking back at her posts, she was also never actively agreeing with Vis. She was also extremely busy for the first few days, so I understand the bandwagoning (though doesn't really help my point)
 
I'm increasingly thinking we're making a mistake with alleycat since they seem genuine with their defense here too, but I want to preserve myself as well for the sake of the village.
If we really have the village's best interest at heart, I think finding another sus person may be an option to pursue here, as Bread mentioned. We haven't heard from @Booksandshoes much the past few days, though I understand if she was busy during the holidays. It looks like she just jumped on the bandwagon for the past few nights.
 
Okay, I've voted with enigma last night and I'm still sus of vet01 being a wolf-cult convert, but I feel like samac has been a strong leader and I didn't follow her lead last night, and it led to me not being part of the vote against a wolf (unless I'm right about vet01).

I feel like I was more sus of hallowmann before Bugs kept dropping those hints in the write ups - because so far all of those have set our sights on villagers, and for that reason alone, it makes me LESS sus of hallow. I don't know if hallow is village, but I don't think they're wolf either.

I don't feel like I have a strong "wolf read" on anyone because I don't know what I'm looking for, necessarily. I don't think Nas is village, but I think they're more likely 3p or cult. Bread's comedy routines have made me laugh, but I do find myself wondering if that's a cover for wolfy behavior. I feel like I have no read at all on books or please, and I'm not sure how to interpret that.

The arguments for/against Enigma and alleycat are very similar, but I feel like they've both made arguments in their favor that make sense to me. Samac believes alleycat, and I really trust samac's judgment especially given that she can have conversations with people and get an idea about who they are.

@samac , have you had any conversations with books? Or have any reads on them?
 
I don't feel like I have a strong "wolf read" on anyone because I don't know what I'm looking for, necessarily. I don't think Nas is village, but I think they're more likely 3p or cult. Bread's comedy routines have made me laugh, but I do find myself wondering if that's a cover for wolfy behavior. I feel like I have no read at all on books or please, and I'm not sure how to interpret that.
One of Vis's requirements was to make at least 20 posts a day, so it is possible that puns could be part of the ability list (though idk this could just be what she does :happy: )
 
Who are the most quiet players? Granted it’s the holidays and the types of people on SDN are generally going to have busy schedules regardless of holidays, but maybe the wolves are just sitting back, watching us all accuse other villagers while forgetting they’re even in the game.
 
Okay, I've voted with enigma last night and I'm still sus of vet01 being a wolf-cult convert, but I feel like samac has been a strong leader and I didn't follow her lead last night, and it led to me not being part of the vote against a wolf (unless I'm right about vet01).

I feel like I was more sus of hallowmann before Bugs kept dropping those hints in the write ups - because so far all of those have set our sights on villagers, and for that reason alone, it makes me LESS sus of hallow. I don't know if hallow is village, but I don't think they're wolf either.

I don't feel like I have a strong "wolf read" on anyone because I don't know what I'm looking for, necessarily. I don't think Nas is village, but I think they're more likely 3p or cult. Bread's comedy routines have made me laugh, but I do find myself wondering if that's a cover for wolfy behavior. I feel like I have no read at all on books or please, and I'm not sure how to interpret that.

The arguments for/against Enigma and alleycat are very similar, but I feel like they've both made arguments in their favor that make sense to me. Samac believes alleycat, and I really trust samac's judgment especially given that she can have conversations with people and get an idea about who they are.

@samac , have you had any conversations with books? Or have any reads on them?
Unfortunately I know very little about books. They have literally never came up in a conversation I’ve had with anyone.

Enigma, I was strong on the youre a villager side of things until last night when you were gunning for get away from Vis. When I was going back through reading our chat you say you’re a vanilla villager and then told someone if that if they had a special ability it would be in their first message from the mods.
I didn’t realize that myself so that made me sus that you did have something you were hiding on top of the Vis thing.
 
I feel like flying under the radar, especially now that we've yeeted one wolf, might be a tactic that wolves would take to protect their numbers. It is confounded by the holidays, but I'm just kind of suspicious of it. And with tonight's vote so far seeming less like there's a strong case against anyone, I'm leaning toward trusting my gut unless someone saw/heard something that might make a quiet, behind-the-scenes person seem non sus.

Yeet books
 
One of Vis's requirements was to make at least 20 posts a day, so it is possible that puns could be part of the ability list (though idk this could just be what she does :happy: )
did breads use puns the first day? I was thinking that it was started the 2nd day. Which would not make for a solid theory
 
I feel like flying under the radar, especially now that we've yeeted one wolf, might be a tactic that wolves would take to protect their numbers. It is confounded by the holidays, but I'm just kind of suspicious of it. And with tonight's vote so far seeming less like there's a strong case against anyone, I'm leaning toward trusting my gut unless someone saw/heard something that might make a quiet, behind-the-scenes person seem non sus.

Yeet books
I can say though the case against vis last nights was about equal to the case against the 2 front runners tonight.
 
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