Serial/Criminal Minds WW - Game Thread

[samac]

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Is your wolf read of AM influenced by your wolf read of me, or just vice versa?

My potential wolf read of you is influenced by AM, just from wolfing with her.
When I wolfed with her in a 3 man pack she put Dina as her top village read and me in the sketchy end. If there’s a 3 man pack I think you would be the 3rd.
With a serial killer though I’m leaning towards a 2 man pack with Bob and AM.

 

[Viscernable]

I actually have. I feel the activity on D1 indicates at least one wolf was on the board.

Which activity?

 

[Viscernable]

My potential wolf read of you is influenced by AM, just from wolfing with her.
When I wolfed with her in a 3 man pack she put Dina as her top village read and me in the sketchy end. If there’s a 3 man pack I think you would be the 3rd.
With a serial killer though I’m leaning towards a 2 man pack with Bob and AM.

Yeah but I’m curious if your wolf read of AM is influenced by your wolf read of me, since from my PoV I would discount that reasoning

 

[Animal Midwife]

Which activity?

The higher level of activity compared to yesterday's quietness.

 

[Viscernable]

Bob I don't have specific wolf or village points for, though a flip could be interesting - I'd especially be interested to see who would actually be willing to vote there

If you’re not wolf reading him, why would you be especially interested to see who would be willing to vote for him?

 

[samac]

Yeah but I’m curious if your wolf read of AM is influenced by your wolf read of me, since from my PoV I would discount that reasoning

No. She felt off to me first, I shouted in my role chat about it and since my read rate on her is so poor I started to look for potential partners. You were first as her top village read and I felt you two to be compatible and I didn’t have a lot of village points to give you so I voted there first
today I decided to just look into Bob and he feels wrong. Less jokey, trying to be more serious and I realized a wolf chat with AM could push him into that. I saw them both as compatible and the way that they’re reacting, Bob blowing up at me, and AM saying she’ll go there but not putting her money where her mouth it really makes me think I’m right.
Also do you prefer chocolate, strawberry, or vanilla?

 

[samac]

The higher level of activity compared to yesterday's quietness.

No one moved their votes for a good 30 minutes. I moved to self prez, and then with the option to go to a wolf read did that. It didn’t feel like a higher level of activity than you changing off stagg at the last second. To save him.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I. DONT. FACKING. BUS. LIKE. THAT.
I only do it when necessary.
And I sure as **** don’t do it day 1 and 2.
The fact that you’re unwilling to even listen to a word I say, keep going at me, and are trying to paint this cubs/Samac narrative when I throw sus at you is pretty telling.
You howling at the moon aren’t you?

I think you are projecting or seeing my tone as hostile instead of tone that is free flow of ideas. Unwilling to listen to a word? I am asking about you and cubs. I asked you and listened to you about your thoughts on AM and visc. (I don't wanna upset you, but I was being nice by not pointing out your reason for visc being POE seemed less than TME reason).

I saw a potential for compatibility and was transparent and having open conversation/thought process. When you said you don't bus, I didn't argue and say you do. I took it as a possibility you don't. So I asked if cubs would. I have been your vote and being pushed and I consider you may be sincere with your sus or maybe just trusting cubs too much. You gripe about me not talking, then you gripe about me talking. And I have yet to resort to all caps (lol).

 

[samac]

I think you are projecting or seeing my tone as hostile instead of tone that is free flow of ideas. Unwilling to listen to a word? I am asking about you and cubs. I asked you and listened to you about your thoughts on AM and visc. (I don't wanna upset you, but I was being nice by not pointing out your reason for visc being POE seemed less than TME reason).

I saw a potential for compatibility and was transparent and having open conversation/thought process. When you said you don't bus, I didn't argue and say you do. I took it as a possibility you don't. So I asked if cubs would. I have been your vote and being pushed and I consider you may be sincere with your sus or maybe just trusting cubs too much. You gripe about me not talking, then you gripe about me talking. And I have yet to resort to all caps (lol).

Cubs does bus. It does not matter in the respect to the conversation around a pack between the 2 of us because I don’t. That’s my point.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I don't think it is helpful for me to ask about me. I'm hunting and already know I'm village. If you want to vote me I think you will for different reasons than any made up narrative. Speaking of, Cubs had multiple false narratives that I disproved with actual posts. And his reply when proven wrong was no reply. I think you have shown your compatibility with my main wolf read, Cubs. You didn't question any of his false narratives. You haven't really taken stock in my reads of him. And you haven't pressured me the way I imagine you would with someone that was YOUR wolf read. I think you are following cubs blindly. Evidence- you have him as most village and me as most wolf. Do you ever get pocketed like this, or is this your first time? (or is there another reason you are openly sheeping?)

I defended what seemed like code speak between you and cubs bc I don't think anyone would do that. I did think that would be a convenient way for a wolfpack to distance themselves... by asking that open question. It was pointless to ask. What would he possibly say? Yes? It seemed to be theatrics or for show. I have just been watching this and holding off while considering who is compatible with Cubs and you seem to be answering that.

I ask about visc and AM bc I want to make sure I don't tunnel off on one idea only. I can see AM. But visc kinda blew my mind. Your evidence was lackluster and is not helping me move her down.

You keep trying to frame me for this "false narrative" business. At best I explained exactly what I was referring to, at worst you didnt understand the explanation (or are just being obtuse).

You didnt "defend" me and samac's "code speech," you called it lone wolf communtication.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Yeah. Cubs voted you D1. Is a scenario where cubs and samac distance themselves on D1 possible? When votes can move easily and for no good reason? No one blinks about jumping off votes early D1, so that makes a good time to bus? Would cubs buss D1? Would Samac openly ask cubs "mi amore, are you wolf" to create distance? Then magically samac and cubs make up, kiss and now their votes align when I have sussed cubs for days openly on thread, proven his false narratives, and then moved my vote to him? All of sudden cubs is samac's number one village read. She agrees with all he says and pushes his #1 pusher/voter. Samac has apparently pushed cubs more than me but I am the one she is voting bc "the time is right." Why is the time right? Is it bc I am making sense?

Things can happen at night Bob to change peoples perspectives

 

[Animal Midwife]

No one moved their votes for a good 30 minutes. I moved to self prez, and then with the option to go to a wolf read did that. It didn’t feel like a higher level of activity than you changing off stagg at the last second. To save him.

That's what I'm referring to. The stiffness despite multiple self-prez options.

I would definitely say it was higher than yesterday because exactly nobody but me was moving.

 

[Viscernable]

Also do you prefer chocolate, strawberry, or vanilla?

I didn’t get any messages so don’t know the meaning of this, but out of game, chocolate.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Well the biggest change for me is I feel better about TME and samac.

Im not a huge village cray camp person right now because I see what Mel sees, but I have higher wolf targets, and many people village reading her.

Aside from AM saying shes ok with voting Bob, but not voting Bob, someone will have to explain to me what sus theyre seeing.

So I guess Im going back here.

vote Bobtuse

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Cubs does bus. It does not matter in the respect to the conversation around a pack between the 2 of us because I don’t. That’s my point.

I get that you don't. Cubs has felt off to me the most. And I am trying to get more info, one way or the other to decide. I know you think he seems village, but the second hand info only goes so far. People vouch often enough for me not to bank on it.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I didn’t get any messages so don’t know the meaning of this, but out of game, chocolate.

milk?

 

[samac]

That's what I'm referring to. The stiffness despite multiple self-prez options.

I would definitely say it was higher than yesterday because exactly nobody but me was moving.

I wasn’t making a tie last nigiri.
I moved at 9:56 night 1 because no one would.
Staggs came on thread late day 1 and backed my original thought and moved to alley.
I then moved to alley because I was wolf reading her and wanted to take out a wolf read instead of just self prezzing onto someone.
I totally disagree with your assessment of how those nights went.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Well the biggest change for me is I feel better about TME and samac.

Im not a huge village cray camp person right now because I see what Mel sees, but I have higher wolf targets, and many people village reading her.

Aside from AM saying shes ok with voting Bob, but not voting Bob, someone will have to explain to me what sus theyre seeing.

So I guess Im going back here.

vote Bobtuse

what could possibly make you feel better about samac, hmmmm? lol

Bobtuse? Dad jokes are sus

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I will try to return to thread prior to going to bed close.

Where were you guys all day while I had time?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I wasn’t making a tie last nigiri.
I moved at 9:56 night 1 because no one would.
Staggs came on thread late day 1 and backed my original thought and moved to alley.
I then moved to alley because I was wolf reading her and wanted to take out a wolf read instead of just self prezzing onto someone.
I totally disagree with your assessment of how those nights went.

I get you weren't making a tie, but with how close the wagons are any two people could vote a different wagon (or just one as in my case) to prevent a tie and keep Stagg.

I'm not harping on you for this because England, but that doesn't mean there was a lot of activity because you chose to not get involved.

 

[cubsrule4e]

sounds menacing

What are you picking up with the menacing terminology?

 

[Viscernable]

milk?

In general, flavour-wise

 

[Viscernable]

Ill be busy the next hour
Vote TME

 

[samac]

Ill be busy the next hour
Vote TME

No that’s wrong

 

[cubsrule4e]

I will try to return to thread prior to going to bed close.

Where were you guys all day while I had time?

Why have you been fighting with me all this time instead of AM? 🤔

 

[cubsrule4e]

No that’s wrong

Honey, people gotta make their own choices in life 😗

 

[samac]

Why have you been fighting with me all this time instead of AM? 🤔

I literally don’t think we’ve ever been on the same page before.
This is a nice change of pace.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

You keep trying to frame me for this "false narrative" business. At best I explained exactly what I was referring to, at worst you didnt understand the explanation (or are just being obtuse).

You didnt "defend" me and samac's "code speech," you called it lone wolf communtication.

No. I think I said I didn't think you would do the code speech. I will try to come back later with actual quotes. I can't believe you are saying I didn't defend it when I said you clearly could do other methods. Quote both posts were I mentioned it please

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Things can happen at night Bob to change peoples perspectives

Like a black light

 

[cubsrule4e]

@Melchizedek

Thoughts on an AM/Bob situation?

 

[cubsrule4e]

No. I think I said I didn't think you would do the code speech. I will try to come back later with actual quotes. I can't believe you are saying I didn't defend it when I said you clearly could do other methods. Quote both posts were I mentioned it please

Well if you did defend it, why would you call it out in the same sentence? Ill go reread.

 

[cubsrule4e]

This. It doesn't look good. But I think she could easily get the info through other means if she really wanted it. So I very seriously doubt that is what she is doing. It reads as samac is very sus of cubs. Can you imagine a wife on the witness stand of a trial looking over to her husband and saying "please tell me you didn't do it"

Ok fair enough. You were directly replying to vis about her thoughts on it, so the beginning of it is misleading. But then you completely misinterpreted what it actually meant, which we have since explained to a degree.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3: Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves what he gets

TME (2) - AM, Visc
cubs (1) - Bob
Bob (2) - samac, cubs
Cray (1) - Mel
AM (1) - TME

7/9

Has yet to vote: @Crayola227 @Stagg737

Police hot on their tail: @BobLoblaw78 @TelemarketingEnigma

Vote closes at 10pm EST, TODAY, 11/16 (a long time but pls entertain my need for blood) (~2.75 hours)

 

[Crayola227]

Dubs is trying to find the game with in game coded talking/messages (like what you were concerned that samac and cubs were doing)

Was it me worried about that? Thought someone else brought it up. Tme?

 

[Crayola227]

Random act of whining:

Spoiler

Not sure what I did, but I tweaked my knee, no doubt owing to the 30 lbs of pregnancy weight I've got on me now at 8 months. I'm already wearing a pelvic girdle support belt because my pubic symphysis is coming apart under the weight of a 4 lb 8 oz baby's head resting on it and a hormone called "relaxin" if that's any clue what's happening to my hips. This is starting to get a little hard. The only big comfort is the baby is pretty big now and it's kinda neat feeling a creature that large roll around in there. Not exactly looking forward to a near doubling in its weight that may happen but OK.

I'm trapped on the couch when I was cleaning. Gonna make the best of it and WW at least.

 

[Crayola227]

Also no doubt I started being in samac's pocket when she said I was busy being future mom. It melted my usually cold heart.

 

[Crayola227]

You picked the wrong person... You should've sent it to me. I would've made you love PM's more than you already do! (yes, it's possible)

Sounds like you're claiming here.

 

[Crayola227]

Hey, samac,

Spoiler

stop

Oh lord what is going on now

 

[Crayola227]

I actually have. I feel the activity on D1 indicates at least one wolf was on the board.

Really? Can you explain more your thinking here? Because I followed other people's thoughts who thought they were all village wagons. I think.

 

[Crayola227]

Well, being in the POE gives me deeper perspective on what things actually look like.

I don't understand this comment

 

[samac]

Also no doubt I started being in samac's pocket when she said I was busy being future mom. It melted my usually cold heart.

Ya know what’s great about it?
No pockets this game.
For once I just saw you scream village on thread and stuck to my gut.

Oh lord what is going on now

She’s mad I’m trying to get her to vote her wolf partner

 

[cubsrule4e]

Im going to trivia, good with my vote, will check in for any developments.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Really? Can you explain more your thinking here? Because I followed other people's thoughts who thought they were all village wagons. I think.

People are looking at Enigma as good from the perspective that I'm a wolf. Assuming Stagg was just distracted and knowing alley is village, Enigma sticks out for not self-prezzing.

 

[Crayola227]

That's what I'm referring to. The stiffness despite multiple self-prez options.

I would definitely say it was higher than yesterday because exactly nobody but me was moving.

I moved.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't understand this comment

Being confirmed to myself automatically reduces the POE.

 

[Crayola227]

I didn’t get any messages so don’t know the meaning of this, but out of game, chocolate.

Do you have an in game preference?

 

[samac]

People are looking at Enigma as good from the perspective that I'm a wolf. Assuming Stagg was just distracted and knowing alley is village, Enigma sticks out for not self-prezzing.

My read of her is independent of my read on you.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I moved.

Yes, I saw that but it wasn't in a way that would necessarily save Stagg. It did make it easier to break ties, however.

 

[Animal Midwife]

My read of her is independent of my read on you.

That's interesting.

 

[Melchizedek]

@Melchizedek

Thoughts on an AM/Bob situation?

AM started annoying me yesterday and I went to ISO her. D1 seems spicy. I don’t see much bob interaction up through page 2 of her ISO she didn’t ask me about my wolf!bob theory but she questioned genny on her bob read. Idk I’m unconvinced it’s an AM/bob pack but would reevaluate if bob flips wolf. I’d back that vote for previously stated reasons