Serial/Criminal Minds WW - Game Thread

[Melchizedek]

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What's the punchline?

You; continuing to push this line of questioning.

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[Animal Midwife]

You; continuing to push this line of questioning.

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a n g e r y

 

[Viscernable]

@Viscernable Do you have any thoughts on the discussion I was having with Mel?

Not really. It seems NAI for both of you, or at least NAI to me. Maybe those who’ve played more with Mel (I’ve only seen him wolf as a convert when I was also wolfing) can see something in it, but to me it just looks like he jokingly brought up a scenario that crossed his mind but didn’t actually want to pursue it. I don’t really see the wolf strategy in that, since he wasn’t “jokingly” saying “oh hey what if xyz framed me hmmm maybe we should vote them”, it was just a nonactionable hypothetical. Unless it’s a joke that he would be unlikely to make as a villager for some reason, I don’t see how it’s AI.

 

[Melchizedek]

a n g e r y

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[Animal Midwife]

Always feel weird to not be voting yet, so will try to make up my mind by early afternoon.

 

[Crayola227]

That’s fine. I don’t have to defend what I said. I thought you giving VSLMIP sketch points for that was bad logic. I was right.

It was crappy defense. Crappy defense gets sketch points. That's all. I'd congratulate you for reading VSOUP right except I don't know if you're a wolf or not and just how much credit you should get for that.

 

[Crayola227]

I could see it being a distancing tactic, banking on people assuming she wouldn’t bring it up if she were 3p

Yep. Feeling like we're on a wavelength. Not sure it's AI but it is fun.

 

[Crayola227]

Why do you not think genny may have been the wolf kill?

Oh for whatever reason trying to process the multiball and multikills on multinights I'm not doing a great job and without thinking about it I default to thinking of night kills as wolf kills by default.

But if wolves killed genny, you think genny killed please? Does OOO support this? Is that the acronym? But didn't someone on a multikill night claim a failed kill attempt we think is c/w genny's role?

Honestly I would love someone (not me) to summarize the write up results and also the nright result claims we've had

 

[Crayola227]

Istg if this is wwariors-style wolfpack/lone wolf communication happening on thread I will be very disappointed 😡

What game was this?

 

[Crayola227]

Not really. It seems NAI for both of you, or at least NAI to me. Maybe those who’ve played more with Mel (I’ve only seen him wolf as a convert when I was also wolfing) can see something in it, but to me it just looks like he jokingly brought up a scenario that crossed his mind but didn’t actually want to pursue it. I don’t really see the wolf strategy in that, since he wasn’t “jokingly” saying “oh hey what if xyz framed me hmmm maybe we should vote them”, it was just a nonactionable hypothetical. Unless it’s a joke that he would be unlikely to make as a villager for some reason, I don’t see how it’s AI.

Eh, someone saying oh gosh it looks like the wolves are framing me, is sorta hard to take as a joke. Could be joke. Could be strat meant to impact people's read being played off as a joke.

Even if it were a given it was a joke, jokes are fair game for analysis and can be AI.

Mel is that kind of wolf, btw.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Slight side-eye to this. I feel like there’s so many unknown variables and so much of wolves’ voting is pretty un-coordinated (especially the first couple days) that as a villager you can seldom distinguish co-ordinated movement vs random movement, so it’s a reach to use that to suggest that there’s no wolfpack.

Another possible reason for lack of coordinated movement feels is that even if it’s not all independent killers, a two player wolf pack is not unlikely given the starting numbers and genny’s known killing ability. Two players can definitely coordinate their votes but will have less obvious impact

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Wait, do I have this right? You were village, but you were willing to collude with a wolf just to get them to PM with you?

I was 3P survivor

I thought you were joking. I guess it isn't as bad if you are 3p and then it depends on how you see 3p alliances

Lol how conveniently hindsight

I had mkg as village this game throughout. I had posted that several times. My statement about not knowing was referencing previous games. ie- I don't have a grasp on how she usually plays as village or wolf to relate this game to.

@cubsrule4e this is important mi amore.
Did the husband do it?

Lol but what you just said isn't hedgy. So I don't see the issue there.

Some had questioned hedgy but others had questioned vagueness. My reference was to the vagueness

Not going to use village code for hunting, because as has repeatedly been pointed out there are likely cover roles/I have faith in the mods creativity
but given the villager reveals so far I think the reasoning for why I had "main team might be killers" as an early tinfoil should be becoming abundantly clear
and independent killers is not even a remotely difficult leap from the source material

I also do not actually think I can read mods minds

I never heard who came up with the original idea of main characters being bad guys. Once genny flipped as a main character it was very surprising. I think that original idea may not have aged well once genny flipped. I wonder if no one claimed the idea bc they realized it looked bad. Or they are just staying off the power grid

Why do you not think genny may have been the wolf kill?

It sounded like stagg's explosion was a minefield to kill an attacker. I assume that is what the minefield comment was saying. I don't think a wolf would do that for stagg.

Istg if this is wwariors-style wolfpack/lone wolf communication happening on thread I will be very disappointed 😡

This. It doesn't look good. But I think she could easily get the info through other means if she really wanted it. So I very seriously doubt that is what she is doing. It reads as samac is very sus of cubs. Can you imagine a wife on the witness stand of a trial looking over to her husband and saying "please tell me you didn't do it"

Not reassuring at all about cubs

Oh for whatever reason trying to process the multiball and multikills on multinights I'm not doing a great job and without thinking about it I default to thinking of night kills as wolf kills by default.

But if wolves killed genny, you think genny killed please? Does OOO support this? Is that the acronym? But didn't someone on a multikill night claim a failed kill attempt we think is c/w genny's role?

Honestly I would love someone (not me) to summarize the write up results and also the nright result claims we've had

OOO= out of order? Order of ovents? Order of occurrences?

Someone please clarify what OOO and minefield is.

As with medical issues, I think it makes more sense that one action explains two things. Stagg's event= someone tried to kill him (bc seer?) and they (genny) died for the efforts. Not an out of order situation.

Then. Someone else killed VSLIM. If there is more relevant info about the event then I assume samac/stagg's will tell us when best

The other scenario would be independent killers actions which provides no information at all. I don't think this scenario is helpful for hunting so I set it aside for now.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Yep. Feeling like we're on a wavelength. Not sure it's AI but it is fun.

I just dont see it being that coordinated that early, especially with how excited she was about the theme. Possible but Im inclined to believe the other side of the argument.

 

[cubsrule4e]

This. It doesn't look good. But I think she could easily get the info through other means if she really wanted it. So I very seriously doubt that is what she is doing. It reads as samac is very sus of cubs. Can you imagine a wife on the witness stand of a trial looking over to her husband and saying "please tell me you didn't do it"

Vis before this: Istg if this is wwariors-style wolfpack/lone wolf communication happening on thread I will be very disappointed 😡

Lolz at lone wolves (and definitely pack wolves) trying to communicate so obviously on thread. The husband/wife thing has been going on since RvB, I think she was trying to figure something out about my role.

 

[samac]

Istg if this is wwariors-style wolfpack/lone wolf communication happening on thread I will be very disappointed 😡

I wouldn’t be that ballsy.
No. I was just confirming something
It makes me lean cubs towards village.
Not saying it’s impossible for him to be wolf but based on what I can do I think his role is likely village.

 

[Viscernable]

What game was this?

Wwarriors. I didn’t play it but have heard

 

[kaydubs]

Wwarriors. I didn’t play it but have heard

Sporty’s and mine. I’ll look for a link when I’m home and tag Cray.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3: Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves what he gets

TME (1) - mel
cubs (1) - Bob

2/9

Has yet to vote: (almost) ALL OF YOU
Police hot on their tail: 🤔

Vote closes at 10pm EST, TODAY, 11/16 (a long time but pls entertain my need for blood) (~12.25 hours)

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

never heard who came up with the original idea of main characters being bad guys. Once genny flipped as a main character it was very surprising. I think that original idea may not have aged well once genny flipped. I wonder if no one claimed the idea bc they realized it looked bad. Or they are just staying off the power grid

I feel like I’ve claimed it like five times

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I feel like I’ve claimed it like five times

Sorry, my misunderstanding. I thought that you had said you picked it up from someone else earlier.

Who do you have in your POE?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeet Enigma

I'm uncomfortable with other candidates atm so going to try this again.

 

[Stagg737]

Lol if it isn't consensual, it isn't kink, it's assault.

I mean, plenty of kinks and fetishes aren't legal. Assault can still be kinky, lol.

Wdym? Genny died at night

I wasn't sure because I skimmed and thought her write-up had been separate from the initial night write-up. In that case, the night events look like this currently:

N1: Failed poisoning of Samac by Genny, NK of Zenge by being caught "It was something of a joint effort" by multiple????
N2: Failed strangulation of Stagg by ????, NK of Vets by gunshot by ????, NK of Genny by suffocation by ????

So means of death may or may not mean something, but if it does it means there were 3 kill attempts last night, all possibly by new methods from N1.

 

[Animal Midwife]

It's wild to see Bob posting so much, but I'm not complaining.

 

[Stagg737]

Yeet Enigma

I'm uncomfortable with other candidates atm so going to try this again.

Why? I've actually been feeling better about TME.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why? I've actually been feeling better about TME.

Everyone else I have reason not to vote for and I'm unsure about doing more with Mel.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

What's the punchline?

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Spoiler: I get older but your lovers stay my age

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[BobLoblaw78]

Lol if it isn't consensual, it isn't kink, it's assault.

When did this change??



🤣

 

[samac]

Yeet Bob.

i think it’s time.

 

[alleycat03]

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Spoiler: I get older but your lovers stay my age

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I HAVE HAD ATW STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR DAYS NOW

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[Melchizedek]

Unvote TME
Vote Cray

IDC.Everyone told me Dina was okay last game when I felt something off. I like this vote. I'd go for a samac vote. She was all "your reads shook me" and now she's voting the wolf read I had and agreeing that cubs is village. Either I'm just better than her at this game, she's a wolf, or cub's is pulling a shorty. Not that all three of those are mutually exclusive.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unvote TME
Vote Cray

IDC.Everyone told me Dina was okay last game when I felt something off. I like this vote. I'd go for a samac vote. She was all "your reads shook me" and now she's voting the wolf read I had and agreeing that cubs is village. Either I'm just better than her at this game, she's a wolf, or cub's is pulling a shorty. Not that all three of those are mutually exclusive.

What do you mean by cubs pulling a shorty?

 

[samac]

Unvote TME
Vote Cray

IDC.Everyone told me Dina was okay last game when I felt something off. I like this vote. I'd go for a samac vote. She was all "your reads shook me" and now she's voting the wolf read I had and agreeing that cubs is village. Either I'm just better than her at this game, she's a wolf, or cub's is pulling a shorty. Not that all three of those are mutually exclusive.

Hello, more game has happened since then.
Last night changed my opinion of cubs.
My other wolf reads are Visc or AM at this point which were toward the top of your village read.
Guess if I’m right we’re equally good at this game with both of us having pieces. If you’re right I’m bad at the game and that’s cool.

I do not think it’s cray.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3: Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves what he gets

TME (1) - AM
cubs (1) - Bob
Bob (1) - samac
Cray (1) - Mel

4/9

Has yet to vote: @TelemarketingEnigma @Crayola227 @Stagg737 @cubsrule4e @Viscernable
Police hot on their tail: 🤔

Vote closes at 10pm EST, TODAY, 11/16 (a long time but pls entertain my need for blood) (~5.5 hours)

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

My other wolf reads are Visc or AM

I am interested in further details of your (and others) opinion on AM at this point

I know that I have a personal tendency to tunnel on her so I have been making a very active effort to avoid that for the past few games, possibly to the point of ignoring her a bit too much for good game play

so far I've felt she's been playing relatively similar to some previous village games but I haven't been enjoying the extended tunnel on me

 

[samac]

We have too few people left for this split vote crap.
cubs and cray are strong village for me. They’re both on the board.
TME brought up the tinfoil of the good guys, I love her but I don’t know if she’s WW experienced enough to play that level of 3D chess.
Mel, you’re an enigma to me but you seem genuine.
Stagg seemed genuine, and if he’s lying we yeet him tomorrow.
This leaves Bob, Visc and AM.
Bob feels soooooo different than previous games. His tone is different, he’s more serious. I could see an AM/Bob combo with her pushing him to be more serious.

I am interested in further details of your (and others) opinion on AM at this point

I know that I have a personal tendency to tunnel on her so I have been making a very active effort to avoid that for the past few games, possibly to the point of ignoring her a bit too much for good game play

so far I've felt she's been playing relatively similar to some previous village games but I haven't been enjoying the extended tunnel on me

I got alarm bells when I was her 3rd highest village read but she said she was willing to go there.
It felt weird.
And other than my play I have no idea what reason she would have to keep me around with her “I’ve got reasons to keep everyone else” and the hedginess.
The level of tension between Bob and am does not feel as high as other games.
Maybe I’m crazy but something feels wrong.

I would like Bob to go first though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

We have too few people left for this split vote crap.
cubs and cray are strong village for me. They’re both on the board.
TME brought up the tinfoil of the good guys, I love her but I don’t know if she’s WW experienced enough to play that level of 3D chess.
Mel, you’re an enigma to me but you seem genuine.
Stagg seemed genuine, and if he’s lying we yeet him tomorrow.
This leaves Bob, Visc and AM.
Bob feels soooooo different than previous games. His tone is different, he’s more serious. I could see an AM/Bob combo with her pushing him to be more serious.

I got alarm bells when I was her 3rd highest village read but she said she was willing to go there.
It felt weird.
And other than my play I have no idea what reason she would have to keep me around with her “I’ve got reasons to keep everyone else” and the hedginess.
The level of tension between Bob and am does not feel as high as other games.
Maybe I’m crazy but something feels wrong.

I would like Bob to go first though.

I did not say "I would go there" in regards to you. I said you were in my neutrals.

I'm good with pressure on Bob for the record.

 

[samac]

I did not say "I would go there" in regards to you. I said you were in my neutrals.

I'm good with pressure on Bob for the record.

Then let’s vote Bob.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Then let’s vote Bob.

I'll consider it.

 

[samac]

I'll consider it.

I don't know that anything makes them incompatible, but I also don't have samac in my immediate POE. I'd like to see how she handles today.

Also this is your comment which I admit isn’t totally wolf reading me.
How’d I handle the day?

 

[kaydubs]

Sporty’s and mine. I’ll look for a link when I’m home and tag Cray.

@Crayola227 @Viscernable WWarriors - 132 pages worth
I was trying to find the thing that Visc mentioned but I need a screen break, lo siento

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also this is your comment which I admit isn’t totally wolf reading me.
How’d I handle the day?

Not as great as you could have.

 

[samac]

Not as great as you could have.

Ok, wolf!wife. 😈

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 @Viscernable WWarriors - 132 pages worth
I was trying to find the thing that Visc mentioned but I need a screen break, lo siento

What is happening?

 

[samac]

also, cubs I sent a message to AM last night if that tells you anything about my role.

 

[kaydubs]

What is happening?

DubZ is on it.

 

[samac]

AM, did you like my poem? 😊

 

[Crayola227]

I just woke up not long ago and working through my notifications. I was starting off in SPF first and leaving WW last since it ends up taking so much time

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

also, cubs I sent a message to AM last night if that tells you anything about my role.

sounds menacing

 

[samac]

sounds menacing

Oh it was.

 

[Crayola227]

Another possible reason for lack of coordinated movement feels is that even if it’s not all independent killers, a two player wolf pack is not unlikely given the starting numbers and genny’s known killing ability. Two players can definitely coordinate their votes but will have less obvious impact

I'm just frustrated with the vote spreads we've have up until deadline. I mean, this makes sense.

It does feel like we've been spread out in a way that gives wolves more control of the vote.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting VCA and vote strategy, that's what I rely on AM for.