StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

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Stagg737 said:
My mush brain needs time to go back and reread, but not gonna do that with 38 pages today, but general thoughts...


Vote Vis

Felt like she was throwing shade to see what stuck. Lots of people felt she was sus but backed off because...lots of people noticed she was sus? Plus her flipping would give more info looking back.

I don't mind a Mighty flip and can see the reasoning, but I think a Vis flip provides more info.

@lucy. , where are you? Irl happens, but I don't like the low posting, especially after saying she'd be around. If not becoming more active, may become a policy vote tomorrow...

Also agree that stoat has some wolf leans, but mush brain can't recall why at the moment.
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Breaks the tie towards Vis like 5 minutes after I made it. Interesting. Makes me wish I had held off a little longer lol
 
Stagg737 said:
Early game there's less info, but you can look back on VCA easier in late game when there's enough movement around ties (unless the leaders today all end up village, but still possible to be helpful). Can look at movement tomorrow though too, which is part of why I moved. More measured movement to build or derail wagons gives more to analyze tomorrow as opposed to just last minute waffles which may or may not be very useful if wolves slip up. Vote tracker can say a lot.

Specifically here, plenty of commentary on VIS being sus but "oh, look how many people find her sus so she's probably village". I'd be interested in looking back on people who said she was sus but didn't vote there or moved off regardless of how she flips.
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Hmmmmmm

Okay team, do we feel like Stagg did this kind of follow up after Vis flipped?
 
supershorty said:
lucy (5) - PSV, Lawpy, Santy, alley, miranda
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SARdoghandler said:
What if santy's wagonomics pre-flip was applied to Lucy now? She is an easy wolf push because if she flips village you just go "oh, whoops. Well she wasn't here so free shrugs"
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Hmmmm

Though not extraordinarily helpful since PSV, miranda, and alley were all there at the time lol
 
SARdoghandler said:
Felt more to me like you're pushing for it not necessarily for a wolf vibe but more for things that flip would give you. Which I don't love because if you were a crafty wolf (which you are) then you could be setting up for an elaborate tunnel with subsequent arguments for other flips all based on a vis flip
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On the flippity flip side, Stagg pushing for a Vis yeet is interesting I hindsight because at the time that he joined there were 3 villagers on the vote (Zenge, AM, and myself) who would be cleared by her going over, so it truly was going to be a lot of info from that flip.


I'm excited to get to the very end of day because I just noticed something fascinating in the vote tracker!
 
Stagg737 said:
Because she took my statement and twisted the context to mean something completely different, then said I was contradicting myself to throw shade. Notice how she hasn't responded to my statements correcting her mischaracterization of my quotes? Seems like she got caught throwing shade and doesn't want her wagon growing.

You vibed more with her view that is provably incorrect? Which she hasn't tried to argue? What?


Did you miss the parts where I gave my reasons why I thought she was wolfy? Because they're there. She twisted my statements into a false context and when I called her out, didn't respond until I mentioned it a second time. Then doubled down on the shade, which is a big reasons my vote is where it's at. I'm voting there because she's my strongest sketch lean, if I had more solid reasoning for someone else my vote would probably be there.


I already responded to this, read back.
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Stagg737 said:
I'm less concerned that she threw shade, and more concerned that she threw shade, didn't f/up or respond to my initial comment, then came back later when it was brought back up and doubled down on the false info. I mean, it could be village, but I don't have better wolf reads right now and I had sketch leans on her before that.
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Again if it were anyone else... Lol
 
8:15pm
miranda920 said:
Between vis and lucy I feel better about this

yeet lucy
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8:55pm
Lawpy said:
What about mighty?
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9pm
miranda920 said:
So the thing about mighty is... I have trouble reading him

Our noob game I wolf read him right out the gate, but he was village at the time. He ended up being converted to wolf later and still maintained the same persona.

I'd feel better about a mighty yeet over vis ATM
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9:04pm
miranda920 said:
You know, if lucy is truly inactive it isn't worth using our yeet to flip her

unyeet lucy
yeet mighty
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Okay I will admit this feels a bit...icky

Tally just prior to that vote swap:

Vis (4) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg ()
mighty (5) - samac, JJJ, Clem, Dubz, SAR
Zenge ()
Santy ()
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (4) - PSV, Lawpy, alley, miranda
stoat (1) - Santy
 
WildZoo said:
Okay I will admit this feels a bit...icky
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If someone is going to most likely be modkilled for inactivity, it doesn't seem worth it to keep a vote on them. At least in my opinion.

Without knowing my own internal monologue it seems like a jump, but I think I explained my thought process pretty well here

miranda920 said:
I don't think it was suddenly. I didn't have any initial strong feelings but as things progressed and played out on the thread I felt better about yeeting him.
Lawpy asked me how I read mighty and I was honest, I didn't feel confident in my read on him because I wolf read him in our first game together and he wasn't a wolf (to start). I had an inherent bias to wolf read him.
I was concerned about lucys inactivity and what that might have meant, but clearly that was inaccurate. I felt that if my only reason for wolf reading lucy was because of low posting, that my vote for her was not beneficial to village. It was better used to yeet mighty who was becoming more and more suspicious.
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mightyrunner7 said:
I'm neutral on Vis. I feel like there has been good activity/participation, and I don't think the initial sus was warranted. But I also don't see anything that makes my point to a village lean.

I'd much rather focus on Lucy or stoat tonight, but since that seems unlikely, I'll probably have to jump on thr Vis wagon soon for self presentation
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See like it just blows my mind that mighty/Vis would treat each other like this in a w!Stagg scenario where he's out there hellbussing while it really should have been mighty and Vis going to all that effort

But deepwoof's gotta woof. Might need to look at his post-level interactions with packmates in previous games to see if he does the level of theater that it would require here.
 
miranda920 said:
If someone is going to most likely be modkilled for inactivity, it doesn't seem worth it to keep a vote on them. At least in my opinion.

Without knowing my own internal monologue it seems like a jump, but I think I explained my thought process pretty well here
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Yes but there were like 3 minutes between you saying you were unsure on your ability to read mighty and you switching your vote
 
WildZoo said:
Yes but there were like 3 minutes between you saying you were unsure on your ability to read mighty and you switching your vote
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I didn't realize that there was a minimum time required to change an opinion
 
I feel a little stuck, I can't be cleared because I don't have anything mechanically that I can contribute because I really am just village

But I also, like most of us, don't really know how to feel about the POE with the death of Clem making no sense

The top of my POE was barky and alley, but with their abilities I don't know. None of it makes sense.

Stagg is someone that I haven't payed much/if any attention too, but maybe that was their plan all along. Stay under the radar...
 
WildZoo said:
Oh I was actually saying it took too long, 3 minutes is just enough time to check wolf chat
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I didn’t realize there was also a maximum time required to change an opinion

I was also extremely busy last week
 
Okay, I have a physics test I need to study for and I have nothing left to say

Again, if you think it’s me, you’re wrong
 
miranda920 said:
Okay, I have a physics test I need to study for and I have nothing left to say

Again, if you think it’s me, you’re wrong
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Can you have things to say tomorrow? I understand you are busy, and absolutely go study. This is a team effort though, if you are village then your thoughts are valuable. So popping in and snarking at me when I'm just trying to solve the game and then leaving in a huff isn't super helpful.
 
miranda920 said:
how are you alive?!
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WildZoo said:
Did you stab her??
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miranda920 said:
No, someone locked me in my house.

Salty I couldn't plant my parsnips.
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WildZoo said:
Oh, then I'm confused about your question lol
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Barkley13 said:
🎣
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I'm confused about the confusion of the question and I think it's actually legit. If Alley is bodyguard and was stabbed, it seems really weird to me that she's still alive. I don't think Miranda's questions is as fishy as the fact that the bodyguard is claiming to both be stabbed and still alive. Side eyeing Alley hard here.
 
WildZoo said:
Oh, well idk, not all stabbings are lethal I guess. Maybe they used a butterknife.
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As an aside, you'd all be shocked at how many times my patients' plans to kill themselves are by trying to cut themselves with butter knives...

ETA: As would be expected these attempts are unsurprisingly very unsuccessful....
 
If any of you have accounts on MU and have not already changed your password (as well as your password on any site where you used the same one as your MU account), you should do that immediately because the site was hacked and it was confirmed that passwords were compromised.
 
WildZoo said:
Can you have things to say tomorrow? I understand you are busy, and absolutely go study. This is a team effort though, if you are village then your thoughts are valuable. So popping in and snarking at me when I'm just trying to solve the game and then leaving in a huff isn't super helpful.
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Yes, I promise to contribute more tomorrow. Sorry, I didn't intend on coming off that way. I'm literally back to square one too and not sure which way to go, I'm not great at this. It's just seemed with everything I've said today it's made me look poorly and clueless (which I am) :sorry:
 
Barkley13 said:
Who was it that said everyone was okay with vis because everyone thought she was sketchy even though that wasn’t what was happening? Was that allley?
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Yes
She was like "Why are we yeeting Vis, I thought we decided she was okay" or something
I haven't gotten to that post yet in my d1 reread I don't think
 
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