Stranger Things Part 2 - WW Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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I just feel very mixed about everyone, is the problem. I think there have also been some small pings here and there colouring my read but I’m not good at remembering those details.

On alissa:
- we thought genny was voting alissa (I thought I saw AM saying she was? I might have misread at the time)
- alissa posted reads with genny at the top and PSV, True, and me, people voting for her, near the bottom. She acknowledged that feeling instinctively suspicious of people voting for her might be biasing her reads
- you said “wow you really think it’s pro-village to automatically scumread people voting for you? This is retaliatory and super suspicious.”
- you also said “wow why is genny at the top if she’s voting for you, why is she different from the other people voting for you? This is sus”
- the answer to the above is imo obvious: sometimes the way people push you feels villagey and sometimes it feels like it’s in bad faith. Interactions with people pushing you can be very revealing, so it’s not at all sus for people to take them into account when making reads, ESPECIALLY if you acknowledge that you might be biased to feel suspicious of people voting you. Having some people voting you at the top of your reads and some at the bottom is evidence AGAINST someone being automatically retaliatory or trying to bully people away from voting you
- so your reasonings are both individually sus to me and are 100% contradictory

No, I kept mentioning to PSV that I didn't understand her focus on alley from saying alissa was in her POE when genny was the one who parked on alissa all day.

 

[alissa14]

Alissa/true - definitely doesn’t make sense
Alissa/alley - possibly if they’re going for “obvious team is too obvious to be wolf”
Alissa/vis - maybe? I don’t see why not

And then I don’t think is AM or genny so

NGL I’m a bit confused why you are so strongly wolf reading me in the first place. I’m pretty sure you’ve caught me wolfing D1 in the past. Are you seeing similarities or?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hmmmm just throwing it out there… what if there are two lone wolves that need to find each other or something? Would explain why we are having trouble lining a pack up

That seems unfair in a 9 person game.

 

[alissa14]

That seems unfair in a 9 person game.

Ok I feel better then… the paranoia…

 

[Viscernable]

alissa posted reads with genny at the top and PSV, True, and me, people voting for her, near the bottom.

Wait I butchered this, obviously this isn’t what happened lol one sec

 

[alleycat03]

I just feel very mixed about everyone, is the problem. I think there have also been some small pings here and there colouring my read but I’m not good at remembering those details.

On alissa:
- we thought genny was voting alissa (I thought I saw AM saying she was? I might have misread at the time)
- alissa posted reads with genny at the top and PSV, True, and me, people voting for her, near the bottom. She acknowledged that feeling instinctively suspicious of people voting for her might be biasing her reads
- you said “wow you really think it’s pro-village to automatically scumread people voting for you? This is retaliatory and super suspicious.”
- you also said “wow why is genny at the top if she’s voting for you, why is she different from the other people voting for you? This is sus”
- the answer to the above is imo obvious: sometimes the way people push you feels villagey and sometimes it feels like it’s in bad faith. Interactions with people pushing you can be very revealing, so it’s not at all sus for people to take them into account when making reads, ESPECIALLY if you acknowledge that you might be biased to feel suspicious of people voting you. Having some people voting you at the top of your reads and some at the bottom is evidence AGAINST someone being automatically retaliatory or trying to bully people away from voting you
- so your reasonings are both individually sus to me and are 100% contradictory

Okay now I'm definitely confused. I was talking about PSV and not alissa. I did get confused about who genny was voting for, but I was always questioning PSV for scumreading me and AM because we were arguing/questioning her, and I wasn't questioning Alissa. I don't even recall what Alissa's reads were at the time, and I didn't pick up the similarity you're statign here. Alissa wasn't even there for most of D1 and idk when she first posted reads.

 

[alleycat03]

Also the way you’ve seemed to be intentionally disingenuous with missing the reason I find your reasoning sus, despite me already explaining at least once that it was based on understanding that you thought genny was voting for her (I had the same misunderstanding, but that’s irrelevant to my evaluation of your reasoning) is another thing about it that’s pinging me.

I misunderstood who you were suspicious of and stated that. I thought you were also suspicious of PSV, not me. I am even more confused about your recent post, which I just responded to.

 

[alissa14]

I’m glad you’ve been posting more but the tunnel on true feels off to me

Alissa and true have both made me uncomfortable but they’re obviously not compatible and alissa has made me feel worse

Defensiveness is NAI for alissa. Everything else after that though is not

Idk… maybe it’s my defensiveness creeping in but barks has not really given a solid reason why she’s voting there.

 

[Barkley13]

NGL I’m a bit confused why you are so strongly wolf reading me in the first place. I’m pretty sure you’ve caught me wolfing D1 in the past. Are you seeing similarities or?

The way you were pushing true was very stretchy and felt like a fake wolfy tunnel. And I’m not sure what game that would’ve been so hard to say about similarities

 

[alissa14]

The way you were pushing true was very stretchy and felt like a fake wolfy tunnel. And I’m not sure what game that would’ve been so hard to say about similarities

What was stretchy about it? I got sus feels, did a full iso of his posts this game and compared them to posts where he scummed in the last game and even compared it to shorty’s accurate read of true. Also pointed out how the timeline of the PSV/True interaction felt pocket-y

Edit to add: and I gave reasoning and comments on almost everything quoted laying out my thought process. I don’t know how to be more pro-village than that

 

[Viscernable]

This is the series of posts I’m talking about

I reread her posts and I think Barks seems okay as well. So as things currently stand...

True
genny
Zenge
Barks
Vis
AM
alley

Tried to pick somewhat gentle color shades as my feelings are fairly malleable at this point and I don't usually do ordered reads lists D1 but I'm putting this out there just in case.
(alissa omitted as she is a true neutral "need more info")

It feels odd that you’re wolf-reading people who have questioned you the most, but you’re strongly village reading genny who’s actually voting for you (as of the last tally I saw).

I mean in theory, her list shouldn't really be correlated to who's putting suss on her if she's village and trying to gamesolve.

With only 9 people, I worry about reading too much into patterns in reads lists. There just aren't that many ways to order a list of 8 people as compared to 25 or whatever.

genny just feels fine to me. I don't think she's wolfing so I'm village reading her.
And I think I am inherently biased to find it wolfy when someone finds me wolfy when I know I'm village so I'm sure that is influencing things.

I didn’t explain it very well, idk how to put into words what I was seeing.

Basically, the reads list PSV posted seemed to villanize the people questioning her, but genny, who actually voted her, was top village with no explanation.

AM explained her concerns better than I did, but it definitely made me furrow my brow at PSV.

Why does that feel odd?

Wolf reading the people who think you’re sus solely because they’re suspicious of you isn’t the best method though. You should wolf read people who are actually sus, not just people who are wolf reading you.

Because it seems reactionary, and I explained my thoughts a bit further to true above this.

PSV also didn’t explain why she was strongly village-reading genny until like 15 mins ago.

I'm aware. But given the main person we've been discussing is me, that's going to color my reads.

genny isn't voting for me. AM is.

Okay I’m stupid, I thought genny was voting PSV and not Alissa

Frowning at this post

But why is it weird that genny is at top? Is that not just evidence that she’s not automatically OMGUS reading, but is evaluating how different pushes on her feel?

Why? Reactionary cross-voting is bad. You don’t vote for people solely because they’re voting for you.

I got confused and thought genny was voting for PSV and not Alissa. PSV explained her read on genny and I understand her better now

Nah I was going on the assumption genny was voting psv due to multiple people stating it. My issue with your reasoning is based on that.

It’s straw-manning

I understand what a straw man argument is, but I don’t follow what discussion/argument you’re claiming is a straw man.

PSV never said she’s reading people based entirely on them sussing her nor that it would be good to do so. She recognized that the people low in her reads were sussing her and that us sussing her might be colouring her reads.

I understand. I still think she’s reading us as wolfy in a retaliatory way because we questioned her.

 

[alissa14]

The way you were pushing true was very stretchy and felt like a fake wolfy tunnel. And I’m not sure what game that would’ve been so hard to say about similarities

What about true has him so strongly in your village reads?

 

[alissa14]

This alley/Vis conflict is coming off as v/v aka villager on villager violence

 

[Viscernable]

No, I kept mentioning to PSV that I didn't understand her focus on alley from saying alissa was in her POE when genny was the one who parked on alissa all day.

Ah, I misinterpreted “her” I guess

 

[alissa14]

Idk I’m out of ideas… how do we feel about alley/barks? I’ve liked alley in the last few days but she’s largely been agreeing with me and I’m feeling extra lost and I’m trying to decide if her agreeing with me made me move her up on my list

 

[alissa14]

omg i had the same vibes. she's putting out some spooky energy.

Genny, thoughts on AM?

 

[Viscernable]

Okay now I'm definitely confused. I was talking about PSV and not alissa. I did get confused about who genny was voting for, but I was always questioning PSV for scumreading me and AM because we were arguing/questioning her, and I wasn't questioning Alissa. I don't even recall what Alissa's reads were at the time, and I didn't pick up the similarity you're statign here. Alissa wasn't even there for most of D1 and idk when she first posted reads.

Will edit that post with the right names lol it’s a mess sorry

 

[genny]

Genny, thoughts on AM?

oh yeah, i'll totally help you yeet her.

 

[Barkley13]

What was stretchy about it? I got sus feels, did a full iso of his posts this game and compared them to posts where he scummed in the last game and even compared it to shorty’s accurate read of true. Also pointed out how the timeline of the PSV/True interaction felt pocket-y

Edit to add: and I gave reasoning and comments on almost everything quoted laying out my thought process. I don’t know how to be more pro-village than that

Your posts and interpretation of his posts from last game felt like you decided you were going to tunnel on him and THEN tried to find posts to back it up. I pulled some quotes (not all because of time)

Idk how true is when wolf but when I am a wolf I tend to check wolf chat before thread. I thought his reaction to the PSV fake flip seemed off, but if wolf, I would assume he wouldn’t have done something like that because it would bring a lot of unnecessary attention on him.

Idk in my head he probably wouldve seen the confusion from the fake PSV flip in wolf chat and not needed that weird post about “oh I guess I need to burn my reading card”

I didnt like his reading card post but reading it again it sounds genuine in the moment

Originally saying that his posts from EOD seemed genuine and would be weird for a wolf to do

My reads look something like

Genny

AM - I have to agree with genny, her following the vote was a bit weird. But overall mostly village
Barks - Nothing overall has pinged me. But I need more

Vis
Alley - need to re-read the PSV interaction. Her frustration seemed genuine, but im a sucker for AtE
True

For no explanation put him at the bottom of your list

Ughhhh I had a bunch of shorty/true quotes from the last game where shorty was sus of him the whole time but stupid mobile SDN. True’s comments to shorty like “Is that why you've been upset with me this game?” kind of evoked the same feeling of AtE with his comment to me yesterday “Did I do something to offend you?” shorty also explicitly pointed out that True tends to look for approval when posting as wolf. He hasnt been doing that this game but maybe it is because it was explicitly pointed out…

Then posted this from CYO where you do mention his play this game doesn’t exactly line up from his play that game

The following post is a response to my post above





Maybe its a pet peeve of mine but it pings me when people repeatedly refer to themselves as village. He did it a lot last game where he kept repeating that he randed village lover twice because it bought him a few village points from some. And I am seeing it again here.

You’ve ignored posts saying that he has done this as village also

True - maybe its the tunnel but I did find some supporting evidence based on when he was scumming last game. I really haven’t played a game with village True yet so I don’t have much of a comparison.

This is a stretch because you admit that you don’t know what he’s like as village. So you’re comparing his play to a scum game and using it as evidence without knowing if he also does the same things as village

I keep asking myself, would shorty be screaming to yeet true (like she might be in sub chat) if she were here on thread? My guess is yes

This post really sketched me out and is what I was referring to about you putting words in shorty’s mouth

Feels pocket-y when re-reading

Going back to make things sketchy

 

[Animal Midwife]

Idk I’m out of ideas… how do we feel about alley/barks? I’ve liked alley in the last few days but she’s largely been agreeing with me and I’m feeling extra lost and I’m trying to decide if her agreeing with me made me move her up on my list

Not really something I thought a lot about. I felt like her reaction to being wagoned might have been okay though.

 

[Barkley13]

What about true has him so strongly in your village reads?

I have never said he was in my village reads. But that doesn’t mean that your push on him doesn’t feel wrong

 

[Viscernable]

I might be being a sucker but alissa’s recent posts are pushing her more village to me, and I feel a bit better about alley. Idk

 

[WildZoo]

How's your trousers?

 

[genny]

I might be being a sucker but alissa’s recent posts are pushing her more village to me, and I feel a bit better about alley. Idk

you should probably make up your mind soon.

 

[alissa14]

Unofficial Tally

alissa (3) - genny, True, Barks
Vissy ()
True (2) - alissa, alley
Barks (1) - AM

Missing: vis

Vote closes ~27 minutes

 

[Viscernable]

How's your trousers?

 

[genny]

View attachment 357555

i see no butter or syrup though

 

[Viscernable]

Since I’m too conflicted on alley and alissa and I think barks could be compatible with pretty much anyone except AM, I’m gonna try

Vote Barks

 

[Viscernable]

Your posts and interpretation of his posts from last game felt like you decided you were going to tunnel on him and THEN tried to find posts to back it up. I pulled some quotes (not all because of time)






Originally saying that his posts from EOD seemed genuine and would be weird for a wolf to do

For no explanation put him at the bottom of your list

Then posted this from CYO where you do mention his play this game doesn’t exactly line up from his play that game

You’ve ignored posts saying that he has done this as village also

This is a stretch because you admit that you don’t know what he’s like as village. So you’re comparing his play to a scum game and using it as evidence without knowing if he also does the same things as village

This post really sketched me out and is what I was referring to about you putting words in shorty’s mouth

Going back to make things sketchy

But then like, this does feel like real wolf hunting. Halp.

 

[Viscernable]

And like, I see what Barks is saying there. But also alissa sounds so genuine. But also stretchy and I didn’t notice her 180ing on her interpretation of True’s comments until Barks just pointed it out.

 

[alissa14]

Your posts and interpretation of his posts from last game felt like you decided you were going to tunnel on him and THEN tried to find posts to back it up. I pulled some quotes (not all because of time)

I never wanted to tunnel him from the start. Otherwise I would’ve put a vote there D1.

Originally saying that his posts from EOD seemed genuine and would be weird for a wolf to do

Ok but then I followed the whole PSV/True interaction and decided maybe it was a pocket-y attempt

For no explanation put him at the bottom of your list

Surely I have something but I’ll have to double check

Then posted this from CYO where you do mention his play this game doesn’t exactly line up from his play that game

You’ve ignored posts saying that he has done this as village also

Maybe so… but they still rub me wrong. And I did pull quotes from a game he was village and I didn’t play. He did state his village-ness but it wasn’t as explicit as this game or the last game

This is a stretch because you admit that you don’t know what he’s like as village. So you’re comparing his play to a scum game and using it as evidence without knowing if he also does the same things as village

Ok but I started picking up on True scumminess last game and that’s where I started to get similar feels this game

This post really sketched me out and is what I was referring to about you putting words in shorty’s mouth

I said I would guess that maybe she would pick up the same vibes. But I can understand how this is inappropriate since shorty isn’t playing

Going back to make things sketchy

 

[alissa14]

And like, I see what Barks is saying there. But also alissa sounds so genuine. But also stretchy and I didn’t notice her 180ing on her interpretation of True’s comments until Barks just pointed it out.

How did I do a 180. IVe been on the True train for quite some time. I will say I started to fall for some AtE because I genuinely felt bad he felt bad and don’t want my crusade to upset him. My feelings toward him in this game do not reflect my feelings toward him outside of WW

 

[alissa14]

Unofficial Tally

alissa (3) - genny, True, Barks
Vissy ()
True (2) - alissa, alley
Barks (2) - AM, vis

Missing: none

Vote closes ~16 minutes

 

[alissa14]

Out of interest of attempting to self-prez, and also my 2nd highest wolf read:
unyeet true, Yeet barks

 

[WildZoo]

Thanks for keeping up with tallies, guys! Hard to tally while driving

 

[alissa14]

Unofficial Tally

alissa (3) - genny, True, Barks
Vissy ()
True (2) - alley
Barks (3) - AM, vis, alissa

Missing: none

Vote closes ~15 minutes

 

[kaydubs]

Thanks for keeping up with tallies, guys! Hard to tally while driving

Seconded. Thanks everyone!!

 

[kaydubs]

WHY IS THERE A TIE, YOU HEATHENS

 

[genny]

well now that's interesting

 

[alissa14]

I’m really frustrated because I’ve really been trying to be present the last few days and trying to wolf-hunt. It’s rare that I have a game overlap with me having a decent chunk of days-off so I can actively play.

 

[genny]

WHY IS THERE A TIE, YOU HEATHENS

we're waiting to see if @alleycat03 breaks it

 

[Viscernable]

You're actively ignoring some of my posts to build your own fake narrative.

This is just actively, aggressively scummy.

Yeet Alissa.

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If you thought the last tally was half-assed...

unofficial quarter-assing sub tally

alissa (2) - genny, True
Vissy ()
True (2) - alissa, alley

Leading: does it look like anyone's leading to you? No. It's a tie.
Missing: do you see your name on the right side? No? Then it's you

Vote closes today, probably
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Yeet Barks

but it burns my skin

And I will

Yeet alissa

Vote progression tingz. Barks really didn’t talk about alissa except light defence yesterday until there was heavy sus on her today. Which like, ai think also makes sense regardless of aff since Barks wasn’t around from after last EOD until after alissa had said some stretchy things and gotten sus today, so it would make sense for her to be paying attention then regardless. But I could still see it as bussing.

 

[Truenamer]

I'm really not seeing the problem with Barks. AM or Vis, could you refresh me on why you're voting for her?

 

[WildZoo]

Nine minutes!

 

[Barkley13]

But I could still see it as bussing.

Bussing who? Alissa? Because I dont know see how we could be compatible at all

 

[alissa14]

Idk in my head he probably wouldve seen the confusion from the fake PSV flip in wolf chat and not needed that weird post about “oh I guess I need to burn my reading card”

I didnt like his reading card post but reading it again it sounds genuine in the moment

This is about True saying he needs to burn his PSV reading card, not the reverse, true offering PSV a reading card for him. the genuine comment was in regards to the PSV fake flip

Currently alley, True, and maybe vis depending on how far she wants to push my yeet from my actions yesterday

He never left my POE

My reads look something like

Genny

AM - I have to agree with genny, her following the vote was a bit weird. But overall mostly village
Barks - Nothing overall has pinged me. But I need more

Vis
Alley - need to re-read the PSV interaction. Her frustration seemed genuine, but im a sucker for AtE
True

This read was support by my earlier sus posts of him

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm really not seeing the problem with Barks. AM or Vis, could you refresh me on why you're voting for her?

It's just a weird gut feeling. Still anxious about everything though.

 

[Truenamer]

Vote progression tingz. Barks really didn’t talk about alissa except light defence yesterday until there was heavy sus on her today. Which like, ai think also makes sense regardless of aff since Barks wasn’t around from after last EOD until after alissa had said some stretchy things and gotten sus today, so it would make sense for her to be paying attention then regardless. But I could still see it as bussing.

This counts as explanation, thank you for ninjaing my request with an answer

 

[alissa14]

@alleycat03 pls come back

 

[Viscernable]

My current reads are:

genny
AM

alley - much better today but leaving high neutral as i sort out why I got gut feels yesterday and ended up voting there
vis - see the ISO, the lack of continued push for True about his “PSV is misyeet” really bothers me
barks - the longer the quiet continues, the more uneasy I become

True

Hmm this bussing would probably be unlikely though.