Stranger Things Part 2 - WW Game Thread

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Ok ok the true discussion has been making my head spin but I think this is the right take
Animal Midwife said:
What I'm saying is there's not a single world where True doesn't stop the nightkill. Meanwhile there are at least 4 where Barks doesn't stop the nightkill, and that's only if she's village. This is why his timing was advantegous. Yes, it would have been even more perfect if Barks stopped the kill and True didn't get pushed today, but that's asking a lot for a lot of unknowns to perfectly align.
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Animal Midwife said:
I do. Even if your numbers are correct that she is more likely to fail on N3 than N2, three things have to be rememebered:

1. She could still fail N2. If she does, we're in F5 not F6. True can only use his ability in this scenario IF we vote right (assuming he isn't POE'd and voted out for holstering the whole game).

2. The fact that we can even have a N3 to allow Barks to shine is mechanically the same as your N2 protect, N3 cancel scenario. The only difference is we can afford to misyeet once in this world.

3. True basically cleared himself as a living player which wouldn't otherwise be possible unless he exactly was attacked and protected by Barks.
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Part of the purpose of using my night cancel when I did was to try and use the ability as a bootleg innocent child.

As AM has explained multiple times, we were at the point where a single off-wagon villager means the wolves can force a tie. They may choose to bus instead of doing that, but still, we need unity for a clean yeet.

That's why I used my ability last night rather than wait. Both to preserve one more villager for one more day of discussion (because you aren't just votes, you are problem solving resources), and to do my best to remove myself from the yeet options to make it easier to find the actual wolves.
 
I want to give AM village points just for understanding and explaining my PR usage 😅

Gooder thoughts in the morning, we still have 20 hours.
 
Okay, I should be trying to demoralize you and stress you out but it's midnight and I can't sleep so:

Just so impressed with the wolves' play this game. This is hard. Can't wait to discuss your strategy after the game.
 
Day 3: Curiosity Voyage Vote Tally

alley (1) - Visc
AM (1) - genny

2/6

missing: @Animal Midwife @alleycat03 @Truenamer @Barkley13

vote closes at 10pm EDT (~15.5 hours)
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Either genny and Vissy are extremely bold wolves, or yeah, things just got more clear.

Of the remaining three people, I don't think AM and Barks can be a pair.

So the hinge is Alley.

Yeet Alley
 
Delayed writeup

Night 1

The party felt wholly…confused? Still reeling from the super speed succession of there being: 1. A high score of 751,300 points, 2. That high score being on DIG DUG of all things, 3. That impossible high score ON DIG DUG by a GIRL!!!?, 4. AND THAT GIRL DIED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!!!

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Elsewhere, a young woman had just stormed back into her house, past her always somewhat clueless parents, and up into her bedroom with a frustrated yell. Her brother could be SUCH an assh*le. He was so dead when she got her hands on him. She began cleaning up the mess that he had left, stuffing her clothes back in the drawers when a stray photograph caught her attention.

Barb. Tears immediately sprang to her eyes. Fighting back a sob, she steeled her nerves. Hastily blotting her tears, she tucked the photo into her purse and climbed out her bedroom window.

Dusk was just falling as she hurried along, eager to follow up on a hunch that has been on her mind. She didn’t care what promises her parents had made to those government officials. She wanted answers.

Unfortunately, she would never get them.

As she turned another corner, she felt something slimy grab both of her ankles, jerking her to the ground and dragging her below ground.

Dead is @Zenge142, who was Nancy Wheeler, village odd night vanilla seer (results would be vanilla/not vanilla)

It is now Day 2, vote deadline is tomorrow at 10pm EST.

7 players remain

Roster
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Truenamer
3. @alleycat03
4. @alissa14
6. @genny
8. @Viscernable
9. @Barkley13

Dead
@potentialsheltervet - Max Mayfield - vanillager
@Zenge142 - Nancy Wheeler - vanilla seer

Subs
utc. @supershorty
1. @justafluff
2. @holdthemayo
3. @IvyMoose

Tots
uts. @Lawpy
2. @bluestoat
3. @SportPonies
4. @Crayola227
5. @jaboo​
 
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I suppose now's a good time to note that genny let us know (in her genny way) that she had extra information on Vis. I had said that I was feeling bad about Vis and she responded with:

genny said:
this is wrong. pick someone else.
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@genny I will smoothly request we consolidate on a single person. Do you see a problem with my logic about Alley being a clearer hinge for the pack than AM?

I'll note that this logic is based on me believing your and Vissy's claims.
 
Alright. Well, if Barks has nothing to say about the implications, I see no reason why I shouldn't.

Yeet alley
 
Truenamer said:
@genny I will smoothly request we consolidate on a single person. Do you see a problem with my logic about Alley being a clearer hinge for the pack than AM?

I'll note that this logic is based on me believing your and Vissy's claims.
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If we believe what genny and vis are saying, then the pack has to be alley/AM. Unless you’re being very fancy lol
 
Animal Midwife said:
alley's only compatible with you.

So the team has to exactly be alley/Barks or Vis/genny.
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I want to say it's Barks/Alley or Vis/genny now, because of your Alley vote... but there's a chance that this situation is close enough to "mechanically confirmed" that it gives you wiggle room. IDK. I'm stressing about this.

Animal Midwife said:
That response doesn't make sense. I'm only compatible with alley so by voting me, you're saying the team is exactly me/alley.

I will give you until tomorrow to fix this or I'm pulling quotes from you in other endgames to highlight how you always behave.
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I agree with this sentiment, I look forward to genny coming back and explaining her thought process a little more.

My biggest fear is that genny and Vis are going for a very flashy play.
 
Truenamer said:
I want to say it's Barks/Alley or Vis/genny now, because of your Alley vote... but there's a chance that this situation is close enough to "mechanically confirmed" that it gives you wiggle room. IDK. I'm stressing about this.


I agree with this sentiment, I look forward to genny coming back and explaining her thought process a little more.

My biggest fear is that genny and Vis are going for a very flashy play.
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It's important that alley returns too. She's the most critical perspective in this entire thunderdome.
 
At least in my defense for why I'm not a wolf, let me list out every PR that'd have to exist in a world where everyone's village.

1x vanilla seer
1x night cancel
1x protector
1x mason
1x mason

That's five PRs and all are super strong ones at that. Two of which are each equivalent to innocent children, not counting how True's night cancel is also an innocent child. There's no way masons and a protector can coexist in a 9 person game. It's beyond village-sided regardless of what PRs the wolves may have. So one of those groups is confirmed wolves.
 
Thank you for being around to discuss this though because I've done too many marvolos where someone posts for the first time 10 minutes to close, doesn't post at all, decides to vote a vanity wagon away from the rest of the village, and/or votes in a vacuum without considering compatibility. It's refreshing.
 
Animal Midwife said:
At least in my defense for why I'm not a wolf, let me list out every PR that'd have to exist in a world where everyone's village.

1x vanilla seer
1x night cancel
1x protector
1x mason
1x mason

That's five PRs and all are super strong ones at that. Two of which are each equivalent to innocent children, not counting how True's night cancel is also an innocent child. There's no way masons and a protector can coexist in a 9 person game. It's beyond village-sided regardless of what PRs the wolves may have. So one of those groups is confirmed wolves.
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I absolutely hear you, but is there a chance we're not considering how strong the wolves might be? The monsters in Stranger things are much stronger than the protagonists (aside from Eleven).
 
Truenamer said:
I absolutely hear you, but is there a chance we're not considering how strong the wolves might be? The monsters in Stranger things are much stronger than the protagonists (aside from Eleven).
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Oh, I know they have to be strong. At some point though, things are unfairly tipped in village's favor and no wolf PR can overcome multiple mechanical clears. It'd mean they almost always lose regardless of how skilled they were on thread. If this were a much bigger game, I wouldn't bat an eye. However here, even if wolves killed and misyeeted a PR every cycle, they'd still have one alive in yolo. That doesn't seem realistic to me.
 
Barkley13 said:
I wouldn’t say “egging on” personally but when I was catching up the other day I was getting strong vibes of you and alissa teaming up

Idk about your question but I also find it interesting you’re discussing wolf vs. village abilities so much
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Alissa and I both had valid concerns with True’s play and how he was wolfy. We pointed out different things that bothered each of us. Even if you perceive that as teaming up, that doesn’t make me a wolf. It makes me a villager who had an incorrect read, something we’ve all done before.

I am discussing wolf Vs village abilities because I don’t see how protector or night cancel could be wolfy. AM has already lectured me on this and I know that they’re preferentially village roles but can also be wolfy. It’s all about how they’re used. Your usage of protector and True’s usage of the night cancel were used in pro-village ways. Does that clear you both completely? No. But it gives y’all village points in a game where it has been really hard to form a village bloc.
 
Truenamer said:
I'm just having a hard time picturing wolf!Vis, she's still very much an option I'm considering. It's the nature of the game that I'm going to have a harder time seeing people as scum when I agree with most of what they say, and when they're putting in a solid amount of effort towards increasing clarity.

I feel like right now the normal scum strategy would be to discourage detailed discussion and keep things murky.
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So is it just a process of elimination and the fact that I pushed you on D2 the main reasons why you think I’m wolfy? I guess I just don’t see how anything I’ve done is so much more scum-like than anything Vis has done this game.
 
Viscernable said:
So little Mike was flopping around the woods behind his yard looking for salamanders and ****, and found a bald girl who was even cooler than salamanders. And he wasn’t sure about this **** but it mechanically seemed way bastard for her to be wolf in a game this size given the info he has from the role pm, so they looked at each other and said “****, we’ve got each other, but we’re gonna get misyeeted”, and then looked on in amazement as they were both village read for once. And he was like whoa whoa whoa let’s try not to get her NKed here, but had no energy to pretend to be particularly sus of her, so threw out some mentions of it being possible she was wolf.
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So Mike had to find his El and become masons? Is this like shorty and I in the WWedding game where I had to PM someone each night until Dubz and sporty (me and shorty) were connected?
 
I know I’m not a wolf, and I’m going to fight until vote close and try to prevent y’all misyeeting me. This seems insurmountable, but I’m not giving up because village doesn’t deserve to lose this game.
 
alleycat03 said:
So is it just a process of elimination and the fact that I pushed you on D2 the main reasons why you think I’m wolfy? I guess I just don’t see how anything I’ve done is so much more scum-like than anything Vis has done this game.
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I mean, I voted for you on Day 1 because you felt the least village to me of everyone; but yes, it's essentially process of elimination coupled with the feeling that your pushes on PSV and myself were opportunistic attempts to get villagers misyeeted. I'm not factoring the D2 alissa situation into things, I understand that you were held up in real life.

If you are a wolf, you've been killing it this game, and your pack may still win depending on your PRs.

If you aren't a wolf, one of these is true:

1. genny and Vis are the pack.

or

2. AM has voted for a packmate (and has also levelled up her acting ability from just a few games ago).

My current feeling is that those two things are less likely than an Alley-Barks pack.
 
One of the only things giving me pause is the fact that the consolidation on Alley happened so smoothly, with AM and Barks doing it within one minute of each other.

Is that a mistake a pack would make, to vote in unison like that? Would AM have voted for Barks on D2 if they were packmates? She reversed it very quickly after Barks role revealed, so was that all planned to destroy the idea of an AM-Barks pack? I don't think AM likes to wolf like that, but this game is coming down to the wire. If she's a wolf it shines a very different light on her comments about there being "too many" village PRs.
 
Truenamer said:
One of the only things giving me pause is the fact that the consolidation on Alley happened so smoothly, with AM and Barks doing it within one minute of each other.

Is that a mistake a pack would make, to vote in unison like that? Would AM have voted for Barks on D2 if they were packmates? She reversed it very quickly after Barks role revealed, so was that all planned to destroy the idea of an AM-Barks pack? I don't think AM likes to wolf like that, but this game is coming down to the wire. If she's a wolf it shines a very different light on her comments about there being "too many" village PRs.
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The short answer is no.

The long answer is there's no guarantee the bus wouldn't go through. Anyone could have jumped ship from your wagon and/or alissa's wagon and sent Barks in the lead. And, if for some godforbidden reason I decided to both say I didn't like two free village wagons AND bus my only partner who had no votes until I started the wagon, why would I get off? I'd have mad cred if Barks flipped wolf with me starting and staying the wagon.
 
Animal Midwife said:
It's important that alley returns too. She's the most critical perspective in this entire thunderdome.
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My perspective is that you all are making a huge mistake by voting for me. I am a villager, which means that genny and Vis have to be lying about being masons. That is the only explanation that makes sense.
 
alleycat03 said:
My perspective is that you all are making a huge mistake by voting for me. I am a villager, which means that genny and Vis have to be lying about being masons. That is the only explanation that makes sense.
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Okay, then it's time to case them and work to help the rest of us see that.
 
alleycat03 said:
My perspective is that you all are making a huge mistake by voting for me. I am a villager, which means that genny and Vis have to be lying about being masons. That is the only explanation that makes sense.
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I guess the next question is, why would they do that? genny softed it back on Thursday, it's not like they just pulled it out of nowhere. Isn't it really risky to make a claim like that when they're not being pressured?

Also if that's the truth, only AM and myself don't have a PM with someone. 🙁
 
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