Stranger Things Part 2 - WW Game Thread

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what are your reads?
I liked True's timing of his cancel so he's my strongest village read atm. The rest is a blob.

These are my pairings. The ones below the cut aren't impossible, but just seem extremely unlikely to me.
alley genny
alley Barks
genny Vis
genny Barks
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True genny
True Barks
 
No rush, but I'd also love to hear your thoughts. Trying to figure out who's mutually compatible with whom is giving me a headache.
well, my eel pool is basically just alley, barks, and AM at this point.

i never should have made a tie after this tally lol:
Day 1: That's Impossible Vote Tally

PSV (3) - AM, alley, Barks
Zenge ()
True ()
AM ()
alley (4) - PSV, True, Vissy, alissa
alissa (1) - genny
Barks (1) - Zenge


9/9

Winning: @alleycat03
Missing: No one!
Vote closes at 10pm EDT (~4 minutes)

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no thank you. we can discuss whom i'm wolfreading, not interested in discussing vis or true.
I'm just curious because this could be the last chance we get and I'll take anything that will help me refine my POE. It's almost tight as-is. Being able to take out Vis would leave me with three options instead of four.

I don't really have any questions about Barks or alley because I'm also unsure about them. I didn't ask about True.
 
if i'm one of the four, how is anything i say going to remove vis from your POE but keep me in it?
Because whiteknighting is a thing. Regardless, if you're village you'd have to know one of your three is village, so it's in your best interests to try and work with that villager to form a bloc unless you want wolves to have control over the wagons.
 
Absolutely.

To get it out of the way, you're at the bottom because it feels like you were encouraging/egging Alissa on yesterday. I understand that you had RL stuff come up, but from our perspective it really did seem like you got two small wagons set up on villagers (myself and Alissa), and were able to step back and let things play out.

I haven't voted for you yet because I want to take the real life stuff into account when thinking about how last evening progressed.


I still feel like genny is acting right in line with Village!genny. Every time I've played with wolf or cult genny she's had significantly more "fade into the background" energy. Beyond that, her actual read and contributions have felt clearheaded and productive. I do acknowledge that at this point, no one is truly 'safe', so I am still actively reevaluating her.


Vis has been contributing to the thread consistently and her analysis posts have been among the longest and easiest to follow. I am going to be extremely disappointed (in myself) if she ends up being a wolf because I have been relying on her thoughts to help my own understanding of the threadstate.


Barks has been less present than I'd like, but activity is NAI (as I've been consistently reminded since my first game 😅). When she's here, she's felt calm and reasonable. She's avoided leaping onto wagons from what I can remember, though I want to find time today to do a shorty-style vote tracker.

Finally, AM. My tell for scum AM wasn't there on the first day— she's acted notably less forthcoming and more stressed when she's scum. Her interrogations also felt less aggressive in her scum games I've seen/been in. Now that we're getting closer to parity, though, I'm worried that I starting to see signs of that stress— but obviously, we're under more stress too, since we basically need to catch a wolf today.
I don’t get how I was “egging on” Alissa. I completely thought you were wolfy until you did the night cancel. Alissa brought up a lot of your posts that seemed pretty wolfy, but I was actually way more concerned with you twisting words and trying to change perceptions (like when you said you were “barely scum” in the last game). That seems incredibly wolfy to me and I voted as such. I don’t agree with the way you’ve painted me as wolfy for egging Alissa on. We both had valid critiques of how you seemed suspicious, and I wasn’t egging her on at all.


I do appreciate you taking the time to lay out the reasonings for other people and why you see them as less suspicious than me. But you’re wrong, and you’re going to misyeet me.
 
Wait a sec, your last sentence doesn't make sense. Obviously there probably wouldn't be a wolf protector, but if she was a wolf, she could just... lie about being a protector.
Seems very ballsy for her to come up with that ability on the fly and hope that nobody counter-claimed her. A wolf protector also seems like a very weak wolf ability tbh, though I know it’s possible.
 
Thank you for taking the time to put this together, I found it very helpful.

Posts like this are why I'm having a hard time picturing Wolf!Vis.
All she did was compile quotes mentioning me and add in a few comments. That shouldn’t be clearing her as a wolf at all.
 
I'm confused why someone who's mechanically clear in your eyes is below two others including someone who's been on two misyeets.
Because literally everything else he’s done this game has seemed wolfy except for the night cancel. I’m begrudgingly accepting that him canceling the night is a pro-village move and would be stupid for a wolf to do.
 
Because literally everything else he’s done this game has seemed wolfy except for the night cancel. I’m begrudgingly accepting that him canceling the night is a pro-village move and would be stupid for a wolf to do.
But what makes genny more villagey than him?
 
But what makes genny more villagey than him?
Because she’s been actually acting village this entire game. I admit that’s a logical flaw because true is probably village and there’s mechanical evidence to suggest he’s village. I don’t want him to be village because I don’t want my read on him to be so completely wrong.

I can’t figure out why there would be a wolf with a night cancel ability. Has that ever happened before? It seems counter-intuitive to the wolf agenda.
 
Because she’s been actually acting village this entire game. I admit that’s a logical flaw because true is probably village and there’s mechanical evidence to suggest he’s village. I don’t want him to be village because I don’t want my read on him to be so completely wrong.

I can’t figure out why there would be a wolf with a night cancel ability. Has that ever happened before? It seems counter-intuitive to the wolf agenda.
Again, all abilities but one are NAI. No exceptions. I don't know if a wolf has ever had the ability, but I've seen them cancel night intentionally through an item for cred. The key then was that the cancel was used with weird timing. I do wish True had used it N1, but this is the second best time he could have done it. I'm not village reading him off of the ability. I'm village reading him for the usage of said ability.
 
I don’t get how I was “egging on” Alissa. I completely thought you were wolfy until you did the night cancel. Alissa brought up a lot of your posts that seemed pretty wolfy, but I was actually way more concerned with you twisting words and trying to change perceptions (like when you said you were “barely scum” in the last game). That seems incredibly wolfy to me and I voted as such. I don’t agree with the way you’ve painted me as wolfy for egging Alissa on. We both had valid critiques of how you seemed suspicious, and I wasn’t egging her on at all.


I do appreciate you taking the time to lay out the reasonings for other people and why you see them as less suspicious than me. But you’re wrong, and you’re going to misyeet me.
I wouldn’t say “egging on” personally but when I was catching up the other day I was getting strong vibes of you and alissa teaming up
I can’t figure out why there would be a wolf with a night cancel ability. Has that ever happened before? It seems counter-intuitive to the wolf agenda.
Idk about your question but I also find it interesting you’re discussing wolf vs. village abilities so much
 
good thing i didn't etch it in stone
That response doesn't make sense. I'm only compatible with alley so by voting me, you're saying the team is exactly me/alley.

I will give you until tomorrow to fix this or I'm pulling quotes from you in other endgames to highlight how you always behave.
 
idk you both look a little furry to me.....
Too bad you've never given a reason for wolfreading me, huh?

Additionally, you can't split votes or wolves will have control. So if you really believe this, you'd be voting alley.
 
All she did was compile quotes mentioning me and add in a few comments. That shouldn’t be clearing her as a wolf at all.
I'm just having a hard time picturing wolf!Vis, she's still very much an option I'm considering. It's the nature of the game that I'm going to have a harder time seeing people as scum when I agree with most of what they say, and when they're putting in a solid amount of effort towards increasing clarity.

I feel like right now the normal scum strategy would be to discourage detailed discussion and keep things murky.
 
Again, all abilities but one are NAI. No exceptions. I don't know if a wolf has ever had the ability, but I've seen them cancel night intentionally through an item for cred. The key then was that the cancel was used with weird timing. I do wish True had used it N1, but this is the second best time he could have done it. I'm not village reading him off of the ability. I'm village reading him for the usage of said ability.
To give full clarity, it was my intention to hold the ability until we caught our first wolf, and then use the momentum to close out the game with no more villager deaths. (Part of the reason I was flustered after the fake PSV reveal on N1 is because I had already gone to my role PM to use my night cancel and was writing up a post to hint that it was me when Dubz stepped in to let me know that I had missed the real update.)

However, after two misyeets in a row I got scared that the wolves would NK me before I could use the ability. As I said last night before using it, I decided to trust that we could use what we learned D1 and D2 to make a successful yeet today, keeping us away from parity. I'm aware that it doesn't affect the raw number of cycles, but it gives us one more day with 4:2 before the numbers get worse.
 
To give full clarity, it was my intention to hold the ability until we caught our first wolf, and then use the momentum to close out the game with no more villager deaths. (Part of the reason I was flustered after the fake PSV reveal on N1 is because I had already gone to my role PM to use my night cancel and was writing up a post to hint that it was me when Dubz stepped in to let me know that I had missed the real update.)

However, after two misyeets in a row I got scared that the wolves would NK me before I could use the ability. As I said last night before using it, I decided to trust that we could use what we learned D1 and D2 to make a successful yeet today, keeping us away from parity. I'm aware that it doesn't affect the raw number of cycles, but it gives us one more day with 4:2 before the numbers get worse.
That's why it's second best to me. If you didn't use it tonight, and Barks didn't successfully protect someone, we'd be in yolo. (Thus borderline disabling your ability altogether.)
 
Too bad you've never given a reason for wolfreading me, huh?

Additionally, you can't split votes or wolves will have control. So if you really believe this, you'd be voting alley.
barks has claimed protector, so that leaves you and alley. would you like to tell me why i should go alley/barks over you?
 
For even more honesty, every time I've been away from the thread today I start feeling like AM might be one of the wolves, then I come back and read what she's said and feel better. When I'm away from thread, little things like the quick backtrack on the Barks yeet, the odd phrasing of her surprise over there being at least three village PRs... they nag at me.

Then I come on and I agree with what she's saying and find her explanations reasonable.

This is probably unhelpful, but I wanted to share in case it helps someone think.
 
For even more honesty, every time I've been away from the thread today I start feeling like AM might be one of the wolves, then I come back and read what she's said and feel better. When I'm away from thread, little things like the quick backtrack on the Barks yeet, the odd phrasing of her surprise over there being at least three village PRs... they nag at me.

Then I come on and I agree with what she's saying and find her explanations reasonable.

This is probably unhelpful, but I wanted to share in case it helps someone think.
how does that affect your vote?
 
barks has claimed protector, so that leaves you and alley. would you like to tell me why i should go alley/barks over you?
Ignoring everything, if there's more than one wolf on the board, village loses. If there's a villager voting another villager we lose. You splitting the vote is fostering those environments.

Now onto the specifics.

How does claiming protector clear Barks when someone still died?

Why did you decide me/alley is more viable than alley/Barks?

Why isn't why Vis isn't in your POE? I'm allowed to inquire when you were super wrong about alissa for two cycles.
 
For even more honesty, every time I've been away from the thread today I start feeling like AM might be one of the wolves, then I come back and read what she's said and feel better. When I'm away from thread, little things like the quick backtrack on the Barks yeet, the odd phrasing of her surprise over there being at least three village PRs... they nag at me.

Then I come on and I agree with what she's saying and find her explanations reasonable.

This is probably unhelpful, but I wanted to share in case it helps someone think.
How is getting off Barks with less than five minutes to spare a quick backtrack?

I also don't know what you mean by my surprise or how it's odd phrasing.
 
Ignoring everything, you if there's more than one wolf on the board, village loses. If there's a villager voting another villager we lose.

Now onto the specifics.

How does claiming protector clear Barks when someone still died?

Why did you decide me/alley is more viable than alley/Barks?

Why isn't why Vis isn't in your POE? I'm allow to enquire when you were super wrong about alissa for two cycles.
1. it doesn't
2. i haven't. i'm still waffling.
3. some things i just know
 
Hiding reasoning doesn't make sense if you both think I'm a wolf and this is mylo. There's literally no consequences to sharing so I can see if I agree.
 
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