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BLADEMDA said:
Biden comes across to many as that "old gomer who is barely coherent." Many of his supporters are very worried about the his cognitive ability heading into the debates this Fall.
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Gotta be kidding me. These comparisons of the mental capacity of Trump v. Biden are just laughable. Just desperate, flailing attempts from a desperate group of ppl who are searching for any reason to support anything Trump says or does. Forget about the fact that Biden actually has character, something which Trump has lacked the entirety of his life.

Trump is the absolute worst and most dangerous kind of stupid. He's stupid and, not only does he not know that he is stupid, he actually sincerely believes he is a genius. It's this combination of stupidity, arrogance, and ignorance that is so unbelievably dangerous. This is the kind of stupid which fails to understand and trust science, math, experts in their respective fields, the seriousness of a global pandemic, and how to prepare for and manage a crisis. This kind of stupid is the reason we are where we are today. As bad as you may attempt to portray Biden's capabilities, he is nowhere near this level of incompetence.
 
Oh, please.

No leader is better than a bad leader. Even if Biden were totally demented, the Steady State, made up of federal career employees, could function very well if left to their procedures and protocols. It's dismantling and disrespecting those legal and constitutional procedures and protocols, the checks and balances, that make Trump and his cronies so rotten and dangerous to the country.

At this point in our history, almost anybody is better than Trump. He's proven so bad for the country that there are no words. We are in a much worse situation than in 2016 from most points of view. I like conservative politics and the European culture this country was founded on, but what he has been doing is not small government or low taxes, or defending traditional values, it's moral and financial bankruptcy of the country, and of Main Street, while enriching only his cronies and the very rich. He makes the government of a banana republic look not much different than ours.
 
BLADEMDA said:
Biden comes across to many as that "old gomer who is barely coherent." Many of his supporters are very worried about the his cognitive ability heading into the debates this Fall.
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'There is no elephant in this room....there is no elephant in this room.....there is no elephant....
 
BLADEMDA said:
Biden comes across to many as that "old gomer who is barely coherent." Many of his supporters are very worried about the his cognitive ability heading into the debates this Fall.
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I would rather the "old gomer" who surrounds himself with intelligent people that he trusts and relies on over the current third grader who’s continuously picking from the bottom of the barrel for sycophants to make him feel important and popular.

I also find it ironic that the main right wing hits on Biden are his cognitive decline and supposedly his soft stance on China. They just choose to willfully ignore that Trump also can’t put together a coherent sentence or even stick to a written script, and that he’s in massive debt to a number of adversarial countries and cowers to ruthless dictators. But it’s just him playing 4D chess, am I right? Give me a break.
 
Biden or Trump mental health?

It is Is the difference between the doddering, demented, mostly benign old guy in the NH vs the mean, obscenity screaming, physically restrained demented old guy in the NH.
 
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Leon'sMom said:
I'm referring strictly to his quoted comment, not his clinical expertise. And in regards to his comment, I stand by my comment, he is misinformed. He is allowed his opinion, and I mine. Some of us just get "Probationary Status" when we speak it, though. 🙄
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It’s the way you speak it. I have been on this board for almost two decades now and everyone knows I can be a loudmouth at times.
But I just don’t come off here immediately calling people names, calling them stupid, and acting like I know it all like some of you people.
I respond to people attacking me but I don’t go after people. You and your ilk do and it’s very immature and violates some of the rules. Maybe I am wrong as I don’t have time to go after all your posts but you stick out in my mind as one of the newer ones who’s quite abrasive.
You all need to be banned quite frankly.
This board is very lenient.
 
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The nation is evenly divided right now between Trump and Biden. I think Biden may have the edge by 1% but it really depends on the Poll. This is a very close Presidential contest and polarized as well. I like Trump's appointees to the Federal Courts. I liked his economic policies up until recently when the spending exploded and continues to rack up. I do not think Trump is interested in another war and his 3.5 years in office proves that fact. I do not like his narcissistic, juvenile comments as he is his worst enemy most of the time.

The other side of the aisle is simply too "woke" for my tastes. Too much interference in our daily lives and telling businesses how to run their corporate boards. The social policies of the Democrats are too far left for me. I can't support any party that tell businesses how they should run their companies.

Anyway, many of you are far more liberal than I am but there is so much more to picking a candidate than whether you like him or her. The policies enacted by our policymakers are much more important to me than the person elected to office.

www.newsweek.com

How Trump vs. Biden Match Up in Key Swing States, According to the Polls

Trump narrowly beat Hillary Clinton in several battleground states that Obama had won in 2008 and 2012. Democrats aim to win back these states in 2020.
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I feel like the Democrats could squeak out a win if they would focus on converting trump supporters. They should be running ads showing the simplified timeline of covid 19 interspersed with trump's tweets. Just over and over 24/7, of trump's idiotic statements. Just PROVE to the other side how dumb trump is and they'll win. I run more with the Republican side if I were to claim any particular "side" even though I really dont like either side, but I will most definitely be voting for Biden this round because of how incompetent trump and his cronies are.
 
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White House economic advisor Kevin Hassett says unemployment rate will approach Great Depression

A White House senior economic senior advisor, Kevin Hassett, said on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday morning that the economy is in a "really grave situation."
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

The USA was only able to recover from the Great Depression after FDR spent a lot of Federal money on programs. This took years (about a decade) to get back to 1929 levels.

The 3 trillion in spending is supposed to prevent a full depression and instead facilitate a recession lasting about a year. At this time, a study of history is in order because raising taxes or cutting existing programs during a recession is probably not advisable.
 
BLADEMDA said:
I liked his economic policies up until recently when the spending exploded and continues to rack up.
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The deficit for the 2017 fiscal year was $666 billion. 2018 was $779 billion. It ain't anything recent.

I do not think Trump is interested in another war and his 3.5 years in office proves that fact.
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The guy that thought that hiring John Bolton was a good idea is anti-war? C'mon.



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Trump would get into a war in a second if he thought it could successfully distract from a scandal or increase his re-election chances.

I do not like his narcissistic, juvenile comments as he is his worst enemy most of the time.
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I like how conservatives are always playing the minimizing and deflecting game with their adjectives about trump. The guy is sociopathic, *****ic, and unqualified. "Narcissistic" and "juvenile," while accurate, have a more playful quality befitting a freshman fratboy, not our current POTUS.

I can't support any party that tell businesses how they should run their companies.
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Right. Instead, you'll vote for the people who will continue giving companies our hard-earned tax dollars as corporate welfare and subsidies, just as long as we can't tell the companies what to do with our money. Makes sense.
 
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There is a big divide between the philosophies of the Right and Left. Sometimes one must choose between the lesser of two evils on election day. I believe we have the greatest economy on Earth because we limit government intervention into private businesses as much as possible. We walk that line between unfettered Capitalism and European Social Democracy.

"Progressive policies don’t always make for good politics. In many heavily white, sparsely populated parts of this country, it would be less than pragmatic for Democratic candidates to campaign on abolishing ICE, banning semiautomatic weapons, slashing the defense budget, revoking the tax-exempt status of churches, or a whole host of other excellent ideas. And in just about any part of America, progressive policies that require large middle-class tax increases come with genuine political risk — even when said policies are broadly popular in the abstract — as single-payer advocates in Colorado and Vermont recently discovered. "

nymag.com

The Radical Labor Policy That Every Democrat Should Run On

Forcing companies to give workers representation on company boards is wildly popular, requires no tax hikes, and would almost certainly raise wages.
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nypost.com

Republicans want a lifeline; Democrats want to remake the country

The cynical partisan opportunism of Democrats exhibited during the coronavirus economic crisis has been breathtaking. Rather than move forward with a quick, no-frills, massive $1.8 trillion re…
nypost.com nypost.com

“This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision,” Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) reportedly told his colleagues this week, echoing President Barack Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel’s famous 2008 assertion that Democrats should never let a serious crisis go to waste.
 
BLADEMDA said:
nypost.com

Republicans want a lifeline; Democrats want to remake the country

The cynical partisan opportunism of Democrats exhibited during the coronavirus economic crisis has been breathtaking. Rather than move forward with a quick, no-frills, massive $1.8 trillion re…
nypost.com nypost.com

“This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision,” Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) reportedly told his colleagues this week, echoing President Barack Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel’s famous 2008 assertion that Democrats should never let a serious crisis go to waste.
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The guys who write pieces like that really are just unbelievably hypocritical ****heads who are either totally ignorant of history or just willfully shoving their heads in the sand


At least COVID is a bonafide external crisis, as opposed to the ones Republicans actually created in the attempt to restructure things to fit their vision:

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The 2013 United States debt-ceiling crisis centered on the raising of the federal government debt ceiling, and is part of an ongoing political debate in the United States Congress about federal government spending and the national debt. The crisis began in January 2013, when the United States reached the debt ceiling of $16.394 trillion that had been enacted following the debt ceiling crisis of 2011.

Members of the Republican Party in Congress opposed raising the debt ceiling, which had been routinely raised previously on a bipartisan basis without conditions, without additional spending cuts. They refused to raise the debt ceiling unless President Obama would have defunded the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), his signature legislative achievement.[1] The US Treasury began taking extraordinary measures to enable payments, and stated that it would delay payments if funds could not be raised through extraordinary measures, and the debt ceiling was not raised. During the crisis, approval ratings for the Republican Party declined.[1] The crisis ended on October 17, 2013 with the passing of the Continuing Appropriations Act, 2014, although debate continues about the appropriate level of government spending, and the use of the debt ceiling in such negotiations.
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The best part is that the 2013 crisis came a mere two years after their 2011 debt crisis gamesmanship. And what happened as a result of their 2011 buffoonery?

"The Government Accountability Office (GAO) estimated that the delay in raising the debt ceiling increased government borrowing costs by $1.3 billion in 2011 and also pointed to unestimated higher costs in later years.[1] The Bipartisan Policy Center extended the GAO's estimates and found that delays in raising the debt ceiling would raise borrowing costs by $18.9 billion.[2] "
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So yea, all the pearl clutching coming from the right isn't fooling anyone.
 
FFP said:
Come on. The NY Post is a rag. Why do you even bother?
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No kidding. I tend to be more conservative in some ways but even I know to ignore the NY Post completely and usually assume that the truth is the opposite of their headlines.
 
Arch Guillotti said:
Why would you doubt he is a true conservative? Is this a joke? Trump has no political allegiance. The right-wing religious wackos have latched on to him, why don't you ask them about his dementia? Wait, they don't care because the douche Brett is now on the SC???

Biden is no saint but he is better than an old gomer that is barely coherent.
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Why do you right wing religious "wacko"? I am wacko because I am Muslim and support Trump? I support Trump because he is good for economy, not because he is "socall-Christian". He seems more like "pagan" to me!! Please be nice!!
 
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“Contact 1 underwent 11 serial throat swabs for SARS-CoV-2. Her case demonstrates the challenges of clinical interpretation qRT-PCR results for SARS-CoV-2. On 2 separate occasions, she had 2 consecutive negative results on throat swab specimens for SARS-CoV-2, only to revert back to having a throat swab specimen positive for SARS-CoV-2 (Figure, panel A). Contact 1 was the only family member who underwent serologic tests, which demonstrated low B lymphocyte counts but no detectable SARS-CoV-2–specific IgM or IgG. We cannot determine the cause or clinical significance of the lack of a detectable antibody response in contact 1 in our study, which differs from findings reported in other studies (6). The immunologic response after asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection requires further study.”


wwwnc.cdc.gov

Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Household Contacts of a Healthcare Provider, Wuhan, China

Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Household Contacts of a Healthcare Provider, Wuhan, China
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VA Hopeful Dr said:
No kidding. I tend to be more conservative in some ways but even I know to ignore the NY Post completely and usually assume that the truth is the opposite of their headlines.
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I find many supposed Mainstream publications to be biased against Trump and the GOP. This includes the New York Times and Washington Post. Still, I would never assume that 100% of their reporting was false or opposite of the truth; I just know they have an agenda as does the NY Post.

The WallStreet Journal also has a bias against Liberal agendas like Pelosi. That still doesn't alter the FACTS that a significant % of the leftwing base wants radical changes to our system including the regulation of the private sector.
 
Kevin Durant said:
I was being flippant with my wording there. It was technically true, I put everything in my trading account at the time on that play, but most of my money is still in cash and IRA accounts. I moved more money over to the trading account to play with. I'm still bullish and have loaded up on more S&P puts on the run up.
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so how far down are you with all the money you poured into puts?
 
I watch a lot of Stock shows on CNBC. Often, the "pain trade" refers to the movement of the market that causes the most PAIN to the traders. This often means the market moves in the opposite direction one would expect. I would expect a fair market value of around 2600 or 2700 max. The S and P is at 2850. Even though I think the market should go back down the PAIN is to the upside.

That's why I don't short stocks or the market. Instead, be an optimist and play a stock or ETF from the LONG side using Options. Or, you can just buy ETFs, stocks and Mutual funds like me (and most of us) knowing that over time the market moves up.

I still would like to invest a large sum of cash into equities but not at 2850. I'm waiting patient for that BAD news or second wave or something to drive stocks back to 2600.

If the market stay around 2750-2900 then that cash won't get invested until the "all clear" signal next year.
 
The virus didn't decimate them. They didn't stop living. The society didn't get shutdown and fall apart. They are winning.

#teamsweden

www.forbes.com

The Predicted Coronavirus Catastrophe Hasn’t Arrived In Sweden. What’s Next?

Around Stockholm lately it appears as if a growing number of people are moving on from the early depths of coronavirus anxiety. Does that mean its controversial strategy has worked? And what can we expect to happen next as other countries ease restrictions?
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
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Leon'sMom said:
I'm referring strictly to his quoted comment, not his clinical expertise. And in regards to his comment, I stand by my comment, he is misinformed. He is allowed his opinion, and I mine. Some of us just get "Probationary Status" when we speak it, though. 🙄
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You'll be banned. If I hadn't basically self banned I would too. It won't be the biggest loss in your life either. You're biggest problem is you are in a left wing echo chamber that has zero tolerance for dissent and no interest in exchange of thought. Words like *****ic and f-ing stupid are screamed at opposing viewpoints repeatedly and in unison so often on here that it supposedly must confirm truth.

You can bring up taboo topics like abortion if you have a left slant on it. Not by once. Two different occasions by two different people. I personally wouldn't bring up these topics, but I should be able to respond to the hypocrisy in the comments without penalty. When the guy placing you on probation is writing "religious right whackos" and calling a conservative Supreme Court Justice "douche," you easily see what the result will be. It all really gets boring to be honest.

I personally couldn't care less how loud you scream Trump is a ***** and how stupid one is to vote for him. He's quite a unique buffoon, but I can assure as someone who voted for him you assessment of my intellect is as meaningful to me as what you had for breakfast. Just do people the favor of letting others voice their opinion that Hillary should be in jail, Biden is as demented as anyone at the Sunnyvale Rest Home, and Crowned King Obama is also a massive douche.

Carry on.
 
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Anyone following the constant additions of more phases, programs, and easing going on regarding Corona economics? It's like a shock and awe. As the trillions pile on you get desensitized and they figure you'll ignore it and vote them in again.

If I were to summarize it in a sentence to keep in your mind each time you see bailouts of any kind, Stimulus deficit spending is nothing more than theft and redistribution of tax payer money, Quantitative Easing is nothing more than theft of the value of the dollar.

#nofreelunch
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
The virus didn't decimate them. They didn't stop living. The society didn't get shutdown and fall apart. They are winning.

#teamsweden

www.forbes.com

The Predicted Coronavirus Catastrophe Hasn’t Arrived In Sweden. What’s Next?

Around Stockholm lately it appears as if a growing number of people are moving on from the early depths of coronavirus anxiety. Does that mean its controversial strategy has worked? And what can we expect to happen next as other countries ease restrictions?
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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and they only had to sacrifice about 7x as many deaths per capita as their neighbors in Finland! At that rate if we did the same thing we'd be sitting pretty at somewhere just under 500,000 deaths so far.

#winning
 
TUCKER CARLSON: "Six weeks later we are happy to say that curve has been flattened, but it's likely not because of the lockdowns.

The virus just isn't nearly as deadly as we thought it was, all of us, including on this show. Everybody thought it was, but it turned out not to be.

Hospitals never collapsed. Outside of a tiny number of places, they never came close to collapsing, at least not from an influx of infected patients."

www.mediamatters.org

Tucker Carlson: COVID-19 "just isn't nearly as deadly as we thought it was"

www.mediamatters.org www.mediamatters.org
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Good transcript to look at just in case you weren't sure if the 2020 GOP is a death cult.
 
Mman said:
and they only had to sacrifice about 7x as many deaths per capita as their neighbors in Finland! At that rate if we did the same thing we'd be sitting pretty at somewhere just under 500,000 deaths so far.

#winning
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I thought the whole point of shutting everything down was to make sure the hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. Flattening the curve doesn't change the area under the curve.
 
Mman said:
and they only had to sacrifice about 7x as many deaths per capita as their neighbors in Finland! At that rate if we did the same thing we'd be sitting pretty at somewhere just under 500,000 deaths so far.

#winning
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I would like to see a breakdown of the deaths. How many are debilitated nursing home patients. Just throwing out death numbers is meaningless. Nursing home patients are by definition at the end of life and it is madness to shut down society to prevent......what exactly are we preventing?
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
You'll be banned. If I hadn't basically self banned I would too. It won't be the biggest loss in your life either. You're biggest problem is you are in a left wing echo chamber that has zero tolerance for dissent and no interest in exchange of thought. Words like *****ic and f-ing stupid are screamed at opposing viewpoints repeatedly and in unison so often on here that it supposedly must confirm truth.

You can bring up taboo topics like abortion if you have a left slant on it. Not by once. Two different occasions by two different people. I personally wouldn't bring up these topics, but I should be able to respond to the hypocrisy in the comments without penalty. When the guy placing you on probation is writing "religious right whackos" and calling a conservative Supreme Court Justice "douche," you easily see what the result will be. It all really gets boring to be honest.
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Moderation is not a perfect science. However both of you solely visit this forum to grind an axe and it gets really old fast.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
I thought the whole point of shutting everything down was to make sure the hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. Flattening the curve doesn't change the area under the curve.
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This. So much of the media and honestly a lot of politicians are either misleading or don’t understand the concept. The only deaths that flattening policies prevented are those caused by overwhelming the system or the small possibility that a cure or real treatment is developed before either a vaccine or herd immunity is reached. That’s it.

I’ve seen several stories in the past week about how states that didn’t shut down have increased or increasing death rates compared with those that did. In another week or so, we’ll see the same stories about Georgia and MAYBE Colorado. It’s completely dishonest reporting. If you don’t enact “curve flattening” policies, of course you’re going to see more upfront deaths. As states reopen, of course we’ll see more deaths. Instead of trying to get sound bites out of Trump and Co., it would be nice if our media would be asking questions about weighing economic impact vs mortality or quality of life vs mortality. How are these decisions being analyzed and made? Are they? Maybe ask about testing and to what extent we need it? How do you contact trace something with an asymptomatic period of 10-14 days during which the carrier is most infectious. One person using the subways in New York can literally expose thousands of people before they ever exhibit a symptom.

We won’t know which country did this right for months. Sweden thinks they’re going to have herd immunity by the end of May. Also, Sweden is very liberal in what they attribute a death to COVID while Germany, the “best” in terms of response per many people, has very strict definitions of what counts. This obviously is going to confound any analysis.
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
The virus didn't decimate them. They didn't stop living. The society didn't get shutdown and fall apart. They are winning.

#teamsweden

www.forbes.com

The Predicted Coronavirus Catastrophe Hasn’t Arrived In Sweden. What’s Next?

Around Stockholm lately it appears as if a growing number of people are moving on from the early depths of coronavirus anxiety. Does that mean its controversial strategy has worked? And what can we expect to happen next as other countries ease restrictions?
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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sweden has a population of 10m. its literally comparable to one of the US states not shutting down and not getting hit too hard because they dont have that many people , more spread out. their population density is comparable to kentucky. and despite not shutting down, sweden had a slow down
sweden also benefit from their neighbors shutting down
 
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anbuitachi said:
sweden has a population of 10m. its literally comparable to one of the US states not shutting down and not getting hit too hard because they dont have that many people , more spread out. their population density is comparable to kentucky. and despite not shutting down, sweden had a slow down
sweden also benefit from their neighbors shutting down
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From this logic each governor should be well within their right to decide for their state what their policy will be. Not Trump, and not the NYC media.
 
Welcome to the politicization of medicine. If we reopen the economy in any way, I guarantee opponents of the administration will be pointing fingers if Covid mortality rises by N=1. Hopefully, when we see the next spike, and we will, people at risk will social distance by choice and people at low risk can live their lives as they see fit. We will see people in masks and gloves at grocery stores and in public places. But with our current experience, reams of new data, stockpiles of ppe, vents, test kits, and hospitals with plans in place to increase capacity quickly, we should see a different outcome both from an economic and health standpoint. Hopefully we can lose the politics and learn how to live with this virus until there is a vaccine or an effective treatment. After reading many of the comments from those where Pres Trump lives in their head rent free, I'm not very hopeful.
 
My hospital now increasing elective cases!!! Thank you to everyone who talk to their leaders to get back to normal!! I hope we continue to get stronger as a country, I believe in USA!!!
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
I thought the whole point of shutting everything down was to make sure the hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. Flattening the curve doesn't change the area under the curve.
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flattening the curve keeps mortality lower by preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed and dragging out possible infections into a time in the future when we have better treatments and/or vaccines.
 
dannyboy1 said:
I would like to see a breakdown of the deaths. How many are debilitated nursing home patients. Just throwing out death numbers is meaningless. Nursing home patients are by definition at the end of life and it is madness to shut down society to prevent......what exactly are we preventing?
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we all want exact numbers. The problem is it will take 12-18 months to start to get a grasp on WTF actually happened in various countries. Like someone smart said at the start of this, the absolute best possible outcome of a lockdown is after the fact wondering if we needed to do that much and could have done less.
 
Mman said:
flattening the curve keeps mortality lower by preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed and dragging out possible infections into a time in the future when we have better treatments and/or vaccines.
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Exactly. I don't recall hearing that Swedish hospitals were overwhelmed.

The problem with waiting for vaccine/treatment is that it takes a huge amount of time. We can't stay shutdown for another 12-18 months.

The point I was making is that flattening the curve doesn't change the mortality from the disease unless the hospitals are overwhelmed.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Exactly. I don't recall hearing that Swedish hospitals were overwhelmed.

The problem with waiting for vaccine/treatment is that it takes a huge amount of time. We can't stay shutdown for another 12-18 months.

The point I was making is that flattening the curve doesn't change the mortality from the disease unless the hospitals are overwhelmed.
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1) some hospitals/ERs in this country were/are overwhelmed. It's not like we totally prevented it.
2) flattening the curve lowers mortality if you can treat the disease better later on
3) Sweden is about as easy a place as you can find in Europe to have minimal disease impact. It's a relatively healthy population in a country that is not densely populated and has a strong healthcare system. And considering their death statistics, it's a little early to be calling them a good example of anything. Heck, their stock market is down more than ours in the last 2 months 🙂
 
Mman said:
flattening the curve keeps mortality lower by preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed and dragging out possible infections into a time in the future when we have better treatments and/or vaccines.
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the same strategies to flatten the curve, if implemented early and aggressively also introduce the possibility of eliminating the virus from the population. It's too early to tell if that is possible long term but it's promising. The best example of that so far is NZ (well done Kiwis), parts of Australia are getting there too
 
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