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[Dinashadow]

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@supershortylooks like my gut was right about at least one thing so far...

Almost as if wolves know who is villager and who isn't 🤔

 

[Dinashadow]

Sure, easy to be "right" when you're in the informed minority.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Contingency yeet MsP

I figured she would be left to the mod gods, clearly I was wrong. I don't like the way she swung onto the thread to get Sloth yeeted (and we see how that turned out). Possibly protecting Ace for all we know. Not helpful to village at best.

 

[Zenge142]

Alright, now that the pressure of voting is off, time to go back to reading Vis’s novel.

 

[supershorty]

Contingency yeet MsP

I figured she would be left to the mod gods, clearly I was wrong. I don't like the way she swung onto the thread to get Sloth yeeted (and we see how that turned out). Possibly protecting Ace for all we know. Not helpful to village at best.

Um, she voted for Ace.

Your protection of him is interesting to me though.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Um, she voted for Ace.

Your protection of him is interesting to me though.

You right. I just checked

 

[Aprilthearab]

But if you think I was going to touch a tie to see what would happen if two people and myself died, yeah, no thank you

 

[supershorty]

Spoiler: Spreadsheet with votes and stuff

 

[Crayola227]

Ace needs to be flipped and msp needs to be flipped too.

Also not feeling very good about cray. I have a hard time believe village!cray would break the tie and the fact she broke it onto a villager so close to yeet close makes me feel worse, but I'm going to file that away for later.

contingency yeet ace

And I'm going to have a think about whether I'll stay here or switch to MsP

I got really angry at this, almost to the point of combing past games for quotes, but Cray, especially village Cray, is VERY anti-tie. Ties are VERY anti-village. Anyone pushing for ties gets immediate sketch points.

Don't take the fact that I have a hard time keeping my hand out of ties, accidentally make them, and die in them, to mean I'm pro-tie in any way.

Me breaking the tie is exactly village Cray, I've broken many a tie. Wolf Cray if she sees a tie that doesn't endanger a wolf, that's the only time I would let a tie stand.

 

[supershorty]

But if you think I was going to touch a tie to see what would happen if two people and myself died, yeah, no thank you

No, but I think your reasoning for MsP vs your boyfriend is not super sound, and I'm starting to think nice!April is being a little too nice to someone who is super wolfy as of late.

 

[Aprilthearab]

No, but I think your reasoning for MsP vs your boyfriend is not super sound, and I'm starting to think nice!April is being a little too nice to someone who is super wolfy as of late.

You're right, he is super wolfy - I'm not going to defend him on that. I want to see if that near-death experience knocked some sense into him. If not (and you can quote me on this) I will vote for him D3. But right now I'm feeling MsP.

 

[alleycat03]

Welcome to the accidentally-made-a-tie club!

@Zenge142
Even though you were saved by Kdubs, you’re still welcome in the club. If somebody accidentally makes a tie a 2nd time, they instantly become the president of the club.

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142
Even though you were saved by Kdubs, you’re still welcome in the club. If somebody accidentally makes a tie a 2nd time, they instantly become the president of the club.

Since it didn’t technically go through/was saved by Kdubs, I think, maybe it’s safer to say I applied for membership and my decoder ring got lost in the mail.

 

[kaydubs]

@Zenge142
Even though you were saved by Kdubs, you’re still welcome in the club. If somebody accidentally makes a tie a 2nd time, they instantly become the president of the club.

I’d weigh the options carefully, Zenge. Even if you’re president of the universe, you still will be dead.

 

[Zenge142]

@Crayola227

Do you think you’ll go back to your Alley vote tomorrow?

 

[Dinashadow]

I got really angry at this, almost to the point of combing past games for quotes, but Cray, especially village Cray, is VERY anti-tie. Ties are VERY anti-village. Anyone pushing for ties gets immediate sketch points.

Don't take the fact that I have a hard time keeping my hand out of ties, accidentally make them, and die in them, to mean I'm pro-tie in any way.

Me breaking the tie is exactly village Cray, I've broken many a tie. Wolf Cray if she sees a tie that doesn't endanger a wolf, that's the only time I would let a tie stand.

Sorry, I confused you accidentally making ties with you being pro-tie. It was just the way I perceived it from how it was talked about last game and during the last cycle of this game. I certainly didn't mean to make you angry

All of what I said was contingent on ace flipping wolf, but I realize I didn't make that clear.

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227

Do you think you’ll go back to your Alley vote tomorrow?

Not sure. Torn between an Alley vote, Ace, Dina, Lainey, Ms P, Shorty, Kras.

Dina and Shorty feel like they're wolf-hunting but I might be wrong. Some wolves love to wolf active, and as long as you don't put your foot in mouth wolfing in plain sight is best.

Feeling paranoid of Sunny too, but that's a tinfoil on her tinfoil.

Not wanting to drop a vote before night close because I don't want wolves to factor it into their NK choices.

 

[kraskadva]

Aight, gonna go shovel now

Spoiler: Snow shoveled

 

[Zenge142]

Not sure. Torn between an Alley vote, Ace, Dina, Lainey, Ms P, Shorty, Kras.

Dina and Shorty feel like they're wolf-hunting but I might be wrong. Some wolves love to wolf active, and as long as you don't put your foot in mouth wolfing in plain sight is best.

Feeling paranoid of Sunny too, but that's a tinfoil on her tinfoil.

Not wanting to drop a vote before night close because I don't want wolves to factor it into their NK choices.

For sure. Reading back, it seemed like you only pulled off to disrupt the tie, so I was wondering how strong your conviction was on that, but there’s obviously a lot more information now. Lots to think about.

 

[Zenge142]

Spoiler: Snow shoveled

Lake effect snow is brutal.

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay I just woke up. I came on and looked for what happened. So I haven’t caught up on reading all the pages I just looked for finally yeet count and write up (so I naturally saw some posts around them).

-wow I really thought sloth would flip wolf. Seemed like a lot of evidence pointing there. I thought this was going to be the shortest WW game ever with a village win.
-I saw that Zenge made a tie but it didn’t count because he didn’t know, but also shorty said he did it for her?
-Ms P arrived
-in regards to thinking the remaining pack in noobs and the continued AM/WZ NK discussion, it could either have been suggested by Genny in wolf chat as she was going down to give them a chance, or it could have been for any number of reasons (Kras/AM, Cray/AM, Lainey/AM etc come to mind offhand.)

Now I need to read and update my spreadsheet.

 

[kraskadva]

Lake effect snow is brutal.

Oh, at least I'm on the right side of the lakes for that. This was just a couple inches of powder, but 11F +wind chill is bloody f-ing cold.
Used to live on the Buffalo side and it'd be the same temp but 3+ft of snow

 

[supershorty]

Okay I just woke up. I came on and looked for what happened. So I haven’t caught up on reading all the pages I just looked for finally yeet count and write up (so I naturally saw some posts around them).

My bad temper came out big time tonight. Happy reading.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I spent more money than I should have oops

Just reread the hour leading up to yeet until now. I missed a few posts live bc my computer said what's refreshing. That was a whirlwind, and I'm confused about the Sloth flip.

contingency yeet ace

lainey's not far behind

 

[supershorty]

I spent more money than I should have oops

That’s how going to Target works for me too.

 

[Crayola227]

I hope I don't get in trouble because this isn't the Lounge, but Cessna just sent me this and I thought it was fitting:

Spoiler: Pirate medics

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay I just finished through page 28 but I was accumulating too many quotes:

My tinfoil is that MsP is wolfing and has been super active in wolf chat and is waiting until 20 minutes before yeet close to post her 10 posts while apologizing profusely that she forgot she had signed up

so I am having the same tinfoil especially now since she showed up (and from the skimming I saw it seemed like she had been aware of some thread happenings)

This was your point on Ace and Sloth that stayed me temporarily from yeeting Sloth. Concerns me Ace is wolf and maybe Sloth innocent. Not sure.

hmmmm.... I don't remember what post you were commenting on, but makes me feel slightly better about you maybe

I’m leaning Alley; but also want to give her the benefit of the doubt with what she just posted, yesterday (or whenever it was, I can’t find the post now, thanks to broken sdn), the tinfoil sunshine posted about cray has gotten me thinking about them as a possibility. I am also considering Lainey, but she really hasn’t posted much today so its hard to say.

Cray for the most part has been significantly contributing to wolf-hunting but a wolf would also do that to disguise themselves as village, but I also don’t think cray would have gone for AM or dubz on night 1? Makes me lean towards a newer wolf such as alley or Lainey, or maybe ace???

Ace is also another possibility, because considering the fact that I am village, they may be trying to take attention off of themselves similar to me last day cycle by staying off of the bandwagon and postponing their vote until closer to yeet close, although it didn’t work very well.

but then again Cray did say to me that AM/Genny/WZ would be the ones to suspect her if we killed AM Night 1 when we were wolves together in breadsticks. We yeeted wolf genny day 1, and then the wolves took out AM and WZ simultaneously. Thats 1 possibility for why it could still be Cray. Another possibility is that she is capitalizing on the rep that an early AM NK couldn't be wolf Cray.

With this same note let it be known that I could have just jumped on the bandwagon when it first started and people were suspicious of sloth and just gone with it. I was hoping given more time there may be better arguments or positions made by other parties in question that would further push me to commiting and make my decision easier.

Or... maybe you need to drive the conversation forward yourself by placing a vote, contributing to discussion, wolf hunting, analyzing interactions and vote histories, etc.

Do you think that lainey bussed Genny or what? I'm a bit confused on your point there.

She could have...

Unyeet Sloth

Yeet Ace

hmmm over the pages I've read so far in my catchup (plus looking again at her voting april early and then sitting on it) I was starting to feel worse about alley, but in light of the sloth flip, maybe she is village...

It's generally considered unwise to say super wolfy things right before yeet closes. Ace is learning a hard lesson. And I think one of his pack is bussing him.

I see the Ace vote building so far, and now I'm curious to see how things continue as I keep catching up. But is there anyone specific you think/thought is bussing him?

Philosloth (5) - sunshine, LaineyLou, Zenge, kras, Acehunter
alleycat (1) - Cray
Acehunter (5) - Philosloth, vetschools, supershorty, Dina, alleycat
LaineyLou (1) - April

The last 3 on sloth are what's giving me yucky feelings about the wagon.

I understand Kras and Ace, but why would Zenge make you feel yucky?

I think Ace is WAYYYYY more sus than Sloth right now. His most recent posts make no sense to me. So I'm really hoping someone votes soon and breaks the tie cause I don't want to die too, but I feel worse about Ace than Sloth.

more positive village cred for Alley here in light of sloth flip

Bussing?

THIS IS VERY SUS OF LAINEY TO ASK AGAIN. THIS WAS THE BLOWUP WITH AM AND I ALREADY EXPLAINED IT TO HER.

I think it's very likely there's another wolf on April (dina, ace, alley), a wolf on genny (z, sunny, april, me, lainey), and a wolf off the main wagons (kras, sloth, shorty, vets, cray). I can't see a pack that knows its likely one of them is going to flip being bold enough to not diversify their votes.

There may only be 3 wolves. And I think wolf packs usually try to diversify some in the beginning but I have seen a couple wolves on the same vote. Also, with one of their own going down, I think it messed with what their votes may have been otherwise.

alley - april 14. I really don't like her giving genny (implied) village points for "very good points" for posting 3 sketchy reads with little reasoning - this was post 332, before the tide was turning against genny so I don't think busing her was on the wolves minds yet and they might have been hoping to go powerwolfing. Echoing genny's weird thing about Dubz being "more jokey and upbeat" is sketching me out, especially considering she's never played village Dubz. Sticking to April sus after genny's flip, "especially with AM gone" does not make sense to me, but I'm more confused by it than anything. I would think wolves would want to get the hell away from being associated with genny's self-prez push on April. That's WIFOM, though. The way she commented on the methods of the murders in writeup and tried to raise that as a point of discussion gave me a twinge. It sounds so like what we did in noob game trying to distract and confuse the thread with speculation about which kills were wolfy based on writeup. Her post 1046 on sloth was very bland and echoey, and I have a feeling wolves are subtly busing each other or ignoring each other after genny's flip. Alley/sloth w/w looking very compatible.

hmm more points to consider about Alley

april - dina 9>genny vote not sure when. I don't understand how it would make sense for genny to try to self-prez onto a wolf, so she's out of the POE for now, but there's nothing she's said that gives me a village read.

I did briefly consider that Genny was trying to sacrifice April for herself by thinking she was a more valuable wolf, but I don't think she would do that because April was already on Genny, Genny was already under so much suspicion, and with only 3-4 wolves they couldn't afford that if they were w/w.

I don't know how I feel about her response to ace tunneling on her, especially the long "look how helpful I'm being giving noobs strategy tips! [insert flashbacks to noob helpfulness last game]" post (I don't know the full context since it's the most recent post before I started writing and I haven't read the last couple pages) but I want to note she seems strongly defensive of shorty over herself in a way that feels pockety.

you think April is pocketing Shorty? Or shorty is pocketing April?

cray - sloth 30>vis 61>unvote 797. sketchy from a wagonomics point of view but otherwise village read. I don't think boldly busing genny early and then trying to prez her late is like wolf-cray. Although it's not impossible for her to change her strategy, I'm getting a strong village feeling from her analysis. Very conflicted because I think her voting is the most sus of the 5 people off the main wagons but her posts are the least sketch. I'm putting more weight on her posts and her strong posts against genny because I've seen a lot of villagers panic around yeet deadline and make weird voting choices.

hmm all interesting points about Cray. It is hard for me to ignore that vote situation, especially since tonight she emphasized again how careful she is of ties when she is a wolf.

Dina - MsP>April 774. Paid a lot of lip-service to genny suspicion but suddenly got cold feet once she was in real danger of being yeeted. I need to look back over her posts because I remember her initially saying she was suspicious of the genny wagon because she felt it was stalling, and when challenged about that being a reason to think it was a misyeet her reason changed to feeling like there wasn't resistance. I need to check I didn't misremember or misinterpret that but there's nothing that gives me wolf tingles like misrepresenting your own reasoning. From a wagonmics point of view her vote timing, especially considering her "suspicion" of genny looks very bad but I think her reasoning was better than many others on april - not just echoing "the salt vote was sus and I have bad feels", e.g. she pointed out it was antivillage to vote for someone because they were a strong villager last game. I am leaning towards thinking sloth/dina are not w/w as he moved her from village to neutral along with genny because "MsP vote is unproductive" and I don't see him pulling the same move with two partners. In my wolf list but not a top contender considering how sketchy sloth is.

Yeah outside of that super weird vote situation, her posts/contributions/presence has seemed village. The "stalling" was a weird word choice, but maybe just maybe she meant that she thought the wolves were content with the yeet? I don't know. I actually do want @Dinashadow to explain that specific wording, even if she feels she already explained the vote switch.

kras - Dubz 15 (initially joke then serious). I don't really understand the content she's been posting but I do love that she's posting content and her tone sounds much more provillage than last game. The Dubz vote really sketched me out, though, especially considering she never (unless it comes in the couple pages I haven't read yet) delivered the promised quotes when pushed about it. Her wolfhunting doesn't feel genuine but I don't know if that's just because I'm not understanding what her reads are or why - maybe just a communication problem.

I still have her ??? as of now. I think she may be calmer because she's busy IRL, AM is dead, and she said she would make an effort to be more pro-village.

lainey - genny 694. Just after tide was turning hard against genny. I'm leaning towards seeing it as a solid village point since I'm not sure she would have been able to read the rapidly changing thread state and make a decision to bus genny so quickly, but she is still in the POE and her vote looks like the most likely genny bus (I can't see wolves letting that bus opportunity go and in any case I assume there's a wolf on most wagons). The more I think about it the worse I feel about it - she's new but she seems to be very decisive and she could have been coached anyway, so the busing seems more likely than I initially felt it was.

she does seem very decisive, but that means she could make moves unilaterally even as a wolf. (not that she's a top suspect, she's just not in my village block)

shorty - kras>genny (around 400 I think)>sloth 457. Sloth vote looks good to me but I'm sketched out by hopping onto genny quickly then hopping off as the thread turned more and more against her. Otherwise she has sounded pretty village but I have no strong read on her.

Yes I commented on this below. Hopping off Genny as her vote turned to 3 and actually became viable is kinda weird.

sloth - alley 13>unyeet alley 37>dubz late. Very sketched out by everything I discussed EOD1 and sloth's top of my wolf reads right now. He only "felt pressured to give reads prematurely" after sunny raised it as a possible reason, and no one was directly pressuring him (I can understand a villager feeling pressured in the face of anticipated suspicion based on past games, but I'm not at all convinced that's what's happening here). When pushed on reading genny village she was quietly shuttled into neutrals, and only explained as "because her feuding with sunny was sus" when directly pushed. I truly do not understand that reason and that's the least sus thing genny did (not because fighting sunny is inherently village but because genny was such a sketchball). Defended genny just as she was starting to be sussed with a vague "sounds like she always does

As to the bolded in the post above and below, you are correct I wasn't defending sloth as much as saying it was NAI because that play style can cause misyeets.

sunny - genny 487. Voted genny right when the tide really turned against her but it wasn't at all yet clear she would be yeeted. Not sure how clearing that is, since I don't remember her pushing genny as much as others on her or raising original points against her. Otherwise her tone has sounded village to me. Her defense of sloth has been noted but I think she was genuinely just defending the playstyle on principle. Not so much trying to defend sloth as village as stating that what he did was NAI because she thinks the suspicion is based on a playstyle that frequently causes misyeets. They're compatible as wolves but I don't think the interaction is a strong point in favour of sunny/sloth w/w.

I was pushing Genny. I said early on that she was off, even before voting there, then was the 3rd vote on her 5 hours out (2nd that stuck since Shorty moved), and actively recruited people to yeet her as much as was reasonable given I didn't 100% know and just strongly suspected. And as in your very own summary above, Genny and I were in direct opposition of each other.

vetsplz - MsP 420>ace 459>sloth 470. I like her reasons for voting sloth, especially criticizing the early sus over the alley salt vote (I'm now leaning towards it actually being sus, but only because I'm reading them both wolfy and it feels like an early bus in that light. I did not understand the initial suspicion, but it was early and there wasn't a lot to analyze so fair enough) instead of doing the easy thing and echoing. I did not like the brief MsP vote reasoning. Deliberately trying to reduce the number of yeets by voting someone she thinks will be modkilled seems very antivillage to me. But I know my thoughts on whether village should try to maximize our number of yeets/vig shots or try to hold off until we have more info is far from universal, and I've made the mistake before of reading other villagers as wolfy for it before, so I will tentatively call it NAI.

another agreement on NAI game strategy principles

z - genny 352. Went after her with strong, original reasoning early and stayed on her. Need to look over his analysis and pay close attention to his reads because I don't see anyone I can trust more than him.

Besides myself, I trust him the most as well.

Also @Viscernable I voted genny right after Zenge did and hopped off 5 hours later to go after sloth

I do understand what you're saying here, even despite sloth's flip since there was so much reason to suspect her. However, I do still give you sus points for hopping off Genny

Two so new people together? I feel like that’d be much more obvious to veteran players by now due to slip ups.

well yeah there have been slip ups, and 3 of the biggest vets are gone (2 by the wolves).

Maybe that's why you've been killing the vets

Exactly.

Is there a summary 🙁

You're not giving a tl;dr for that monster post, but you want one for 9pgs of thread?

this is what I was going to reply to you Visc lol

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay I am caught up. Also shout out to @genny in dead chat for really seeding the doubt on Sloth.

The preoccupation more with how your vote will be perceived than where you think it will be productive is interesting

I agree. Ace is a little too concerned with how he is being perceived vs actually wolf hunting.

We'd get a lot of info from the flips if someone were to tie it up again

with 2 of my wolf reads neck in neck...

I am struggling with an Ace/sloth pack concept though at this point

Probably because we aren’t in a pack

But that doesn’t mean one of you isnt

Welp, this leaves Ace in light of the Sloth flip.

The amount of discussion that has come with ace being on the line is giving me more reason to want to flip him

hmmm.... interesting point.

"We"? 🤣

lmaooooo at calling Ms. P out for "we caught a wolf"

I have a final question for thought... if I was a wolf, what reason would I have had to kill WildZoo and AM?

OOOO! Me! Call on me! I can answer that!

Because Genny told you they'd be the biggest threats.

All of the reasons. Every single one.

Lots. A more experienced wolf like genny could tell you to take out some of the top gunners so you'd have a chance

all of this, Ace. These reasons.

No I don't think she is. This is how she plays as a wolf

**HERE Dina says she knows how Ms. P plays as a wolf

Like I said, killing AM and Dubz N1 is a sign of a weak/newbie wolf pack with at least one OG player

Yeah, a few of us have hypothesized this. I'm curious to see who they go for tonight.

Yes I still agree. Genny was the OG and we are probably looking for noob wolfs.

To be fair, you were supposed to be playing 🤣 🤣

lmaooo this is great

Heck if I know.

But I do know that you showed up 20 minutes before yeet close right before being narrowly modkilled 🤔

**YET, HERE Dina says she doesn't know Ms. P as a wolf (the "heck if I know" was replying to Ms. P. saying has she ever NK AM on night 1 as a wolf)

It looks like you've been reading over the thread then? Why did you wait so long to post?

this is an excellent question for Ms. P

Sorry I'm not buying it. This is very similar to how you've wolfed in other games I've played with you

**But again, HERE Dina says she knows how Ms. P plays as a wolf

I may be giving you a run for your money there...

lmaooo now I wish AM was still alive just to see who she pushed

Ace needs to be flipped and msp needs to be flipped too.

Also not feeling very good about cray. I have a hard time believe village!cray would break the tie and the fact she broke it onto a villager so close to yeet close makes me feel worse, but I'm going to file that away for later.

contingency yeet ace

And I'm going to have a think about whether I'll stay here or switch to MsP

I got really angry at this, almost to the point of combing past games for quotes, but Cray, especially village Cray, is VERY anti-tie. Ties are VERY anti-village. Anyone pushing for ties gets immediate sketch points.

Don't take the fact that I have a hard time keeping my hand out of ties, accidentally make them, and die in them, to mean I'm pro-tie in any way.

Me breaking the tie is exactly village Cray, I've broken many a tie. Wolf Cray if she sees a tie that doesn't endanger a wolf, that's the only time I would let a tie stand.

Yes, and this goes back to my tinfoil after yeet day 1, you are so careful about ties with wolves and you were begging someone to move to April with you....

 

[sunshinefl]

Another tinfoil (and don't get mad Kdubs even though I think you may but I am not questioning your mod abilities, I just can't ignore the possibility and need to see what others think)...

what if KD mod killed Roro but not Ms. P because she had a more distinct minority role (3P/Wolf) that she didn't want to lose due to balance? 🤔

 

[supershorty]

Or... maybe you need to drive the conversation forward yourself by placing a vote, contributing to discussion, wolf hunting, analyzing interactions and vote histories, etc.

This is the point where I started getting really pissed off at Ace because some people have been really making a strong effort on this thread and others have been really riding the coattails of those people. If he’s village, it’s strategically not the greatest idea to alienate other villagers by saying things like that. If he’s wolf and intended to bait someone with his attitude, it worked because I was spitting nails by the end of voting (and after).

I see the Ace vote building so far, and now I'm curious to see how things continue as I keep catching up. But is there anyone specific you think/thought is bussing him?

At the time I wrote that, I was referring to alley. I want to look more at any interactions the two of them had.

THIS IS VERY SUS OF LAINEY TO ASK AGAIN. THIS WAS THE BLOWUP WITH AM AND I ALREADY EXPLAINED IT TO HER.

I also had this feeling about Lainey and moved her back to wolfy from neutral/wolfy. She’s playing up the noob cluelessness in a way that’s starting to remind me of how I wolfed in the noob game.

 

[supershorty]

At the time I wrote that, I was referring to alley. I want to look more at any interactions the two of them had.

Intending to do this later this morning when I’m on my computer instead of phone.

 

[sunshinefl]

Another thing, when I originally posted the Cray tinfoil, I full believed sloth was a wolf. Now, in light of the sloth flip, there is no more discordance with my "cray and sloth not together" notes.

 

[sunshinefl]

I really want to vote Ace, because he's my other wolf read. But then I have some concern that either because he's super nooby and sus he is not the most valuable target, or that he may just be a bad villager because he's a noob. But nah that's just the Libra analyzer in me considering all angles.

for now, Yeet Ace

 

[supershorty]

I want to go back and look at any Ace/Lainey interactions or mentions, and I might ISO cray’s posts too, although I had her as one of my stronger village reads until recently.

In case anyone reads this later and wonders why I’m saying things I’m intending to do later on, it’s because it’s 4am where I am and I am up because of symptoms but am not very awake and want to make sure I see this in the morning and actually do it.

 

[sunshinefl]

I'm on my 8 year old laptop with a smaller screen and annoying copy/paste, and I want to sleep a couple more hours before my shift, so I haven't updated everything from my posts/reads that I shared tonight onto my spreadsheet notes (and don't put everything on there anyway), but I want to share current spreadsheet in case I getting NK'ed.

Spoiler: spreadsheet

Spoiler: abridged yeet progression

 

[supershorty]

@sunshinefl what are your thoughts on some of the April/Ace interactions? I haven’t moved her to wolfy based on them, but a few have made little red flags go up in my mind. For example, the contingency vote on MsP based on her “swooping in to yeet sloth” and mentioning that it might be to protect Ace, when in fact, MsP voted Ace and April has been kind of protecting him. I want to think it was an honest mistake on April’s part, but I also think she pays more attention to people’s votes than that.

I know nice!April is NAI, but occasionally on this thread, I’m feeling like she’s being awfully nice to someone awfully wolfy.

 

[sunshinefl]

@sunshinefl what are your thoughts on some of the April/Ace interactions? I haven’t moved her to wolfy based on them, but a few have made little red flags go up in my mind. For example, the contingency vote on MsP based on her “swooping in to yeet sloth” and mentioning that it might be to protect Ace, when in fact, MsP voted Ace and April has been kind of protecting him. I want to think it was an honest mistake on April’s part, but I also think she pays more attention to people’s votes than that.

I know nice!April is NAI, but occasionally on this thread, I’m feeling like she’s being awfully nice to someone awfully wolfy.

if it weren't her boyfriend I would be sus. But I have her as solid village AND I think she is being biased by her relationship.

(vs my husband when I tried to get him to play saying "what, so you can just kill me?")

 

[supershorty]

(vs my husband when I tried to get him to play saying "what, so you can just kill me?")

LOL this is like me and Z, but so far in the 2 games we’ve played together, we’ve both been village so haven’t had the opportunity. I’m sure the first time he and I are w/v, he will gleefully kill me 😂

I had the same thought (being swayed by relationship) but it’s good to hear it from someone else too.

 

[Crayola227]

The last 3 on sloth are what's giving me yucky feelings about the wagon.

When I said this (you can go back to quote) last 3 on wagon did NOT include Zenge. It was Ace, Kras, Alley

 

[Aprilthearab]

@sunshinefl what are your thoughts on some of the April/Ace interactions? I haven’t moved her to wolfy based on them, but a few have made little red flags go up in my mind. For example, the contingency vote on MsP based on her “swooping in to yeet sloth” and mentioning that it might be to protect Ace, when in fact, MsP voted Ace and April has been kind of protecting him. I want to think it was an honest mistake on April’s part, but I also think she pays more attention to people’s votes than that.

I know nice!April is NAI, but occasionally on this thread, I’m feeling like she’s being awfully nice to someone awfully wolfy.

I have a bad habit of saying things before I check them and then coming back and correcting myself. I don't know why I thought MsP voted there but obviously once I went back and found I was wrong that part of my argument against her became null. I still think she has definite wolf potential for the other reasons. Really not liking that she's lurking and seemingly intentionally just barely avoiding a mod kill and Dina who has played with her before confirmed this fits her wolf meta.

 

[Acehunter123]

I'll admit at this point things don't look too good for me. I will try my best to try and have you guys see that I am just trying to learn how to play better as a villager. I appreciate all the suggestions and tips you guys have been giving me and will try to incorporate them into our session going forward. I was trying to be more open about my thought processes, but without strong evidence to back up my thoughts I notice I have attracted more suspicion than I should have. I will try to be better assuming I was not killed by the dragons overnight, I just ask that for those of you who are suspicious of me that you allow for me to try and do a better job in this cycle to prove it to you.

 

[supershorty]

My current pack thought is Ace, Lainey, +/- MSP but ISOs coming once I drag myself out of bed. Need to reevaluate where I am on alley too.

 

[supershorty]

I'll admit at this point things don't look too good for me. I will try my best to try and have you guys see that I am just trying to learn how to play better as a villager. I appreciate all the suggestions and tips you guys have been giving me and will try to incorporate them into our session going forward. I was trying to be more open about my thought processes, but without strong evidence to back up my thoughts I notice I have attracted more suspicion than I should have. I will try to be better assuming I was not killed by the dragons overnight, I just ask that for those of you who are suspicious of me that you allow for me to try and do a better job in this cycle to prove it to you.

I’m not sure if I’m looking at this too critically because I’m still angry, but this whole post to me reads like “am noob wolf realizing I went too far and am trying to save myself.” Especially the “assuming I was not killed overnight.” That’s not believable and even if you are village, you wouldn’t be a smart choice for a NK because of all the suspicion on you currently - wolves would capitalize on letting you be a misyeet today and kill one of the stronger players during the night.

Again, trying not to let the fact that I’m still seething color my read of this post too much, but I’m definitely marking it as wolfy.

 

[Acehunter123]

I’m not sure if I’m looking at this too critically because I’m still angry, but this whole post to me reads like “am noob wolf realizing I went too far and am trying to save myself.” Especially the “assuming I was not killed overnight.” That’s not believable and even if you are village, you wouldn’t be a smart choice for a NK because of all the suspicion on you currently - wolves would capitalize on letting you be a misyeet today and kill one of the stronger players during the night.

Again, trying not to let the fact that I’m still seething color my read of this post too much, but I’m definitely marking it as wolfy.

I concur regarding the wolves not nightkilling me as I have already attracted a good amount of suspicion. It definitely seems the most advantageous for them to let me take on the suspicion and get yeeted as they know based on their list that I am just a noob villager and an easy target to be pinned as suspicious. I understand that you are probably still angry, I just hope that on the assumption that you are infact village I may be able to in some way help you see that I am too over this next period of time.

 

[kaydubs]

night 2 closed, write-up pending

 

[supershorty]

I just hope that on the assumption that you are infact village I may be able to in some way help you see that I am too over this next period of time.

I'm more likely to believe this if you actually play in a pro-village way. Talk is cheap.

WW is like a group project where you want everyone on your team to win, whether your team is village or wolf. If you're village, the way you help your team is by actively wolfhunting - with evidence, not based on "muh feelz" - and putting in the effort to find discrepancies in other people's posts/votes. Your posts yesterday came across to me as that person who doesn't contribute anything to the group project, but then saunters in at the end and smugly suggests a whole bunch of edits without any support to back it up and without contributing anything. And that's what really made me angry, as someone who has been putting in a ton of effort to find wolves. So if you're really village, step your game up big time today, and when people probe you with questions, give supporting evidence for your answers. Deliberately coming across as sketchy doesn't help the village.

I still don't believe you, but maybe others will, and maybe you'll change my mind today.

 

[kaydubs]

Night 2

After a tense vote, the players were filled with new, unsettling thoughts. Some struggled to sleep. Others skipped it altogether, building elaborate tinfoil structures.

At morning role call, it was noted that one was missing.

The search party found some charred remains surrounded by...candles? Was the dead player having a vigil of some sort? Or some other sort of summoning ceremony? Guess we'll never know.

Dead is @Zenge142 - Pirate, vanillager

Steel yourselves and vote!

12 players remain
2. @Dinashadow
4. @supershorty
5. @Aprilthearab
6. @Ms Procrastinator
8. @alleycat03
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease
10. @LaineyLou
12. @sunshinefl
13. @kraskadva
14. @Viscernable
16. @Crayola227
18. @Acehunter123

Dead/Lost to Sea/Space
7. @genny - Dragon, vanilla wolf
1. @Animal Midwife - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
3. @WildZoo - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
15. @DrRoRo - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
17. @PhiloslothicalStudent - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
11. @Zenge142 - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager

It is now Day 3. Yeet/Vote deadline is at 10pm EST (9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland) on Wednesday, 2/10/2021.

~*~*~*Table of Contents*~*~*~

Spoiler: Spectators

@Lawpy
@Cyndia
@Doggo Labs

 

[kaydubs]

On Day 3, We're Shufflin' Yeet Tally

Acehunter (4) - supershorty, Dina, vetschools, sunshine
MsP (1) - April

5/12

Leading: ---

Missing: most

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TOMORROW, Wednesday, 2/10/2021 (~35.25 HOURS)

 

[supershorty]

Okay, this may have been a little over the top, but I redid the entirety of Lainey's ISO so I could put some more things in context. I left out most of her fighting with AM because I don't think that's necessarily relevant (and I addressed it in the last ISO post I did on her). I did find that there's this consistent pattern of playing up just how much of a noob she considers herself and trying to use this as a way to distract people from her (i.e. "but I'm so new and I don't know anything, so disregard me, hehe!"). This is exactly what I did in the noob game when I was wolfing, and so it really caught my attention.

I want to note that these quotes are not necessarily in chronological order: I am grouping them based on content and because there are so many of them, I will spoiler them so I don't ruin someone's day by making them have to scroll past a giant post. There are a few main categories of post that I've noted: posts that bandwagon with what is a popular idea at the time, posts that overdo the "I'm a wee bebe noob!", posts that strike me as ones that could either be legit or could be a wolf trying to cover herself, and then things that make me raise an eyebrow based on who my other wolf reads are.

Spoiler: Posts that agree with other people's points but don't really contribute any of their own ideas

Like they're trying to overdo it? That I could see.

I can DEFINITELY see that, try to be inconspicuous but inadvertently being sketchy.

thats suspicious!

They’re definitely sus

I’m definitely questioning them because a few reasons. Why is your gut telling you to yeet them?

After this game, I never want to hear about "gut feelings" again.

Definitely suspicious!

There are quite a few of these posts, and those by themselves really don't give me a lean on someone one way versus the other when they're really new to the game. It can be hard to put reads out there because then you get questioned by everyone else. However, the pattern of it, and the fact that it's remained so consistent across this game, is starting to catch my attention.

Spoiler: I'm just a noob!

Im not getting wolfy vibes here, being so new i know how it feels

true... i thought only wolves could kill. Was she a wolf? I cant remember

I don't know that I believe that she has already forgotten that AM was a vigilante, given that she's carried over so much anger toward her from the last game.

Yeah i guess id like to know why she thought i was suspicious as well. That way i dont make the same mistakes and get killed off prematurely and without reason.

AM has said, both on this thread and in dead chat from the last game, why she killed Lainey.

what amount of time quantifies no longer a noob

Does anything happen to you if you yeet wrong?

Lainey was somewhat active in dead chat of the last game, at least when she first arrived, so she knows from watching misyeet after misyeet in that game that nothing happens.

Are you punished in that game or something if you’re wrong

What again is ISO

What do you mean I’m the only candidate? For what

IM NEW IDK WTF THAT MEANS

Think of my bandwagoning more of “ohhhhh gotcha that does make sense” rather than me being sketchy. I’m still trying to learn all the things that are allowed and done in this game.

I’ve got work again today *ughhhhh* but I’ll send out my thoughts when I can!

Would genny have tried to last minute vote on April (packmate) to try to keep herself alive? I mean it didn’t work but it’s one thought.

This seemed like a tinfoil that wasn't well thought out.

Only if that would be a probable explanation but it does sound risky

are there always a certain number of wolves?

I hesitated on whether to put this in or not because even though I know other people find this question sketchy, I think it can be a legit question from someone new at the game. But I've also learned that bringing it up on the thread is perceived as sketchy (and this contributed to my misyeet in the last game). So with that in mind, I made a note of it, but I personally didn't hold this against Lainey, although it certainly is a possibility that a wolf would ask this and try to seed the idea that there were more/fewer wolves.

Anyone find this odd so late in the game?

I don't know why an obvious self-preservation move (that nearly worked) was perceived as odd.

I’m a bit confused on that logic, can you explain?

Bussing?

Like sunshine, this one made a big red flag go up for me. There's no way Lainey doesn't know what bussing is at this point given that it came up earlier in the thread. Overplaying the noob hand.

Spoiler: Posts that could be more legit

Hey sorry. I guess whenever I work animals decide to all spontaneously start dying!

Reads on people

Wolfy/suspicious
-genny: I thought her statement about " i just show up and say things" seemed a tad odd, but then again im new so idk how they play. then they replied to my "is this sus" question "I sure did", also trying to self prez early. Still a bit iffy on what this means but i think its odd
-visc- has said questionable things in the beginning and were super over explainy

???
-sunshine: kinda defended genny but also may know them better
-sloth- stated toward the beginning they were just following the trend, also they havent put in vote yet so are they sitting back and watching till the end for some reason.


Village lean
-kras- just seems to be neutral
-Cray- people say they've been normal, i dont see anything that stands out

This is what i have so far. If a name isnt listed it means im neutral about them or havent heard or felt enough to make a definite decision

This was interesting to me because given that genny was pushing Vissy, I'm not sure why you'd have them in a pack together right off the bat.

I acuallu question whether genny and sunshine could be wolves together. It was something about how sunshine defended genny but they may just know genny better. By neutral I just mean not trying too hard or going over the top which gives me chill vibes=village vibes. ??? I meant like I’m suspicious but then not suspicious so I have no clue. Neutral I just don’t have much thoughts on.

I don't know what it is with noobs in this game using the term "defending" but it seems to have a very loose definition.

Made my decision based on above description

**YEET GENNY**

Bussing?

Sunshine village, sloth wolf

I'm not holding this against Lainey if she's village because I had a strong wolf read on Sloth based on those reads lists they posted and I was wrong (sorry Sloth). BUT, on the other hand, this seems like a good way for Lainey to try and get a little bit of village cred (before Sloth flipped) because there was, we thought, some good evidence of wolfiness and it was an easy way for her to join that wagon. Now with Sloth having flipped village, it doesn't look good in retrospect, but quite a few of us were very wrong on that.

There have been now two (that ive recorded) statements from genny that seemed to defend another. Defending cray and sloth. Genny said in D1 that they felt cray was "fine" and then they stated they dont find sloth very wolfy. I feel like I will be focusing on cray and sloth for a bit as soon as i catch up.

It's smart for wolves to village read some villagers too. Worked out very unfortunately for sloth, in this case. I'm really not getting wolf vibes from Cray still, although I need to go back and look at some posts.

Above: This makes me suspicious of sloth. They are thinking genny is village. Is that because they are trying to protect a packmate? They also lean visc as wolfy which is what genny thought too. SO maybe genny and sloth are packmates trying to draw attention elsewhere.

Sloth has no good reasons why genny would be village other than they've always played w/ them as village but that doesnt seem a good enough reason.

I agree with april here

Spoiler: Posts that made me raise my eyebrows

Everyone’s moving to ace last minute and it’s all seeming very sus!

Yeah I’m very concerned rn at what’s happening

Normally, a last-minute wagon like that would get me concerned too. But having said that, Ace made some super sketchy statements last night after really not contributing anything useful to wolfhunting efforts thus far, and then he kept playing up the sketchiness right until the end. Because I have wolf reads on both him and Lainey at this point, these 2 posts strike me as a wolf trying to cover for another wolf.

Two so new people together? I feel like that’d be much more obvious to veteran players by now due to slip ups.

Yeah I know it’s randomized but I feel like day 1 a noob wolf would have been found

These 2 posts could have gone in the "But am noob" spoiler, but with when they occurred, they really made me lean more wolfy. Again, this is so strikingly similar to how I wolfed in the noob game - really overdoing the "I am a noob and have no idea what's going on" and it worked relatively well, but because of that, it really stands out to me now.

Lainey's vote history:
D1: voted genny 58 minutes before yeet close
D2: voted Sloth 7 hours, 45ish minutes before yeet close

 

[supershorty]

Going to reevaluate alley and Ace but need to get some work done too so I'll post those later today.