What are the downsides/negatives to osteopathic medicine?

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I am a new pre-med student and am looking into, both, allopathic and osteopathic medicine. Before I can begin to choose which branch may better suit me, I just wanted to get a feel of the negatives or what needs to be advanced in the field of osteopathic medicine. I figured I would ask here where the students are much more knowledgable.

Thanks in advance for your comments, all are welcome. 🙂

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I am a new pre-med student and am looking into, both, allopathic and osteopathic medicine. Before I can begin to choose which branch may better suit me, I just wanted to get a feel of the negatives or what needs to be advanced in the field of osteopathic medicine. I figured I would ask here where the students are much more knowledgable.

Thanks in advance for your comments, all are welcome. 🙂

I can't wait to hear the opinions (facts) from pre-meds on this one 😀
 
Medical knowledge is not sequestered to any particular degree. MDs and DOs know the same exact things except that DOs are trained in manipulation.

The only thing you should worry about, if you want to worry, is the possibility of discrimination in your residency choices if you want to complete an allopathic residency as an osteopathic physician. This discrimination is lessening but is still present. Remember, however, most allo residencies have osteo counterparts.

The choice is up to you. Pick a school you feel comfortable with.
 
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I am a new pre-med student and am looking into, both, allopathic and osteopathic medicine. Before I can begin to choose which branch may better suit me, I just wanted to get a feel of the negatives or what needs to be advanced in the field of osteopathic medicine. I figured I would ask here where the students are much more knowledgable.

Thanks in advance for your comments, all are welcome. 🙂

Advice: Do a search and read the millions of topics on this. This thread is just going to go down in flames with super well informed pre-meds spewing knowledge from the 'radiologist they shadowed.' Super.
 
To be honest, there are very, very few differences now days. When you walk in to a clinic and your physician walks in, NO ONE asks, "Hey, are you a DO or an MD?"

DOs can do allopathic or osteopathic residencies, so you have the ability to do anything you want.

No school in and of itself will make you a great doctor or give you great board scores. That's up to you. So, want that Dermatology or Plastics residency? Study hard, do well on boards, and be genuinely nice to your rotation preceptors.

By the way, I chose osteopathic and I haven't looked back! I absolutely love it!
 
I've heard that going to a DO school means you have a better shot at dermatology and plastic surgery - meaning the school is well ranked by US news - and that Allopath Schools put too many people into primary care and make it really hard to specialize.
 
Going through DO schools seem more demanding because you are required to complete additional training in OMM. This might be why fewer people go the DO route and why it's slightly easier (number-wise) to get into DO programs. MD is hard in itself. Some people don't want to do any extra work unless they have to.
 
How about instead of being rude, we be patient, promote our profession, and actually put a kind and decent personality to our initials?

i agree. a lot of people seem to be really jaded by trolls and others who purposely mock DO schools, the degree, AOA residencies, etc. but, when someone is looking for advice, i think we should try to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that their question is a sincere one. it leaves pre-meds, who are actually interested in osteopathic medicine and good candidates for many DO schools, with a bad impression if all we do is respond with sarcastic remarks and are incredible defensive all of the time. i think we have a right to defend our choice to pursue our specific schools and the DO degree, but i don't think we are making any sort of productive contribution by being blatantly rude.
 
1. There are five states in the US that will not allow you to practice there if you have not done an AOA traditional rotating internship. There is a loophole called Resolution 42 that makes you jumped through a few hoops in order to override this requirement in some cases. (https://www.do-online.org/index.cfm?PageID=sir_postdocabtres42)

2. DOs do not have the same practice rights as MDs internationally. For example, in certain Canadian provinces and in France, DOs are limited to OMM only. This is something to think about if you plan on doing some international aid-type work. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DOworld.PNG)
 
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Since doctor starts with DO, you have a significant advantage as a DO over MDs.
 
1. There are five states in the US that will not allow you to practice there if you have not done an AOA traditional rotating internship. There is a loophole called Resolution 42 that makes you jumped through a few hoops in order to override this requirement in some cases. (https://www.do-online.org/index.cfm?PageID=sir_postdocabtres42)

2. DOs do not have the same practice rights as MDs internationally. For example, in certain Canadian provinces and in France, DOs are limited to OMM only. This is something to think about if you plan on doing some international aid-type work. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DOworld.PNG)

Our current international practice rights ARE something to know about, definitely. However, times are quickly changing. In just the last 10 years, the DO degree has become a whole lot more widespread with their practice rights... I suspect that by the time anyone looking at medical school completes their residency, our practice rights will be almost identical to MDs.
 
I am a new pre-med student and am looking into, both, allopathic and osteopathic medicine. Before I can begin to choose which branch may better suit me, I just wanted to get a feel of the negatives or what needs to be advanced in the field of osteopathic medicine. I figured I would ask here where the students are much more knowledgable.

Thanks in advance for your comments, all are welcome. 🙂

I know where this thread is going but I haven't posted in awhile and thought I'd take the time to share a fresh opinion on the subject. I've only just begun my career as a medical student but I've come to the realization of a few things that may address these pre-med questions of DO and MD a little better than our faithful regulars suggesting a search and reminding the blind how little they know.

It's amazing to see some responses on distinguishing characteristics of osteopathic and allopathic physicians. True the distinction is small but if one exists it does no justice to say we treat the whole patient or do manipulative treatment in addition to all contemporary aspects of medicine. Who honestly knows what that even means?

If anything is negative or needs to be advanced in the field of osteopathic medicine it is public relations. One of our hugest failures as a profession is communicating to the public what it is we do. Osteopathic medicine is the fastest growing profession in the world. The opportunities you receive upon acceptance to a DO school are equal to our MD counterparts.

Sure some schools have better reputations than others and statistically one school may turn out more physicians in the specialty of your interest than another. It is not about the letters after your name or the school you received your diploma from. It is about how well you are able to find and comprehend the material you need to be a great physician. All that you need to do well is offered at every medical school in the country, the question is how ambitious you are to learn it.

You ask what branch is better suited for you, I ask what your goal is in pursuing this career in medicine? You must first learn the basic sciences and tie them to a clinical context to better prepare yourself for the pateints in the 3rd and 4th years continuing for the duration of your time as a practicing physician. Is there such a difference in the approach to accomplish this goal between the 2 professions? The short answer is no, not really.

Maybe your intentions are to become a radiologist or dermatologist, does that mean you have a better chance of doing that by going to an MD school? No. Just as you are no better suited in family practice as a DO. What is it that gives you a competitive advantage if it's not what school you attend? It's you!

You are responsible for learning the same amount of information and techniques no matter what medical school you attend. Upon entry into medical school you will soon discover you must know everything about everything. If it is medically relevant it is your responsibility to master it. Does everyone do this? No. Does anyone know everything about everything in medicine? No. However those that strive to be the best they can be will accomplish what they want regardless of any distinction that exists between the letters DO and MD.

Many people do not like to hear this and some will disagree with me no doubt. IMO, it is a matter of personal responsibility; not if I read my Gray's Anatomy book at CCOM or Eastern Virginia Medical School. This is what people mean when they say chose the school that is right for you. Be ambitious, never satisfied, and go above and beyond in everything you do once you have started medical school. If you do this it won't matter where you received your education you will be able to do whatever you want with it.
 
This is actually a serious question, and I greatly thank those that have pitched in their sincere thoughts. There really isn't a need to get defensive from a simple, honest question. It actually shows some insecurities that some of you may have. I'm always open to more comments...
 
This is actually a serious question, and I greatly thank those that have pitched in their sincere thoughts. There really isn't a need to get defensive from a simple, honest question. It actually shows some insecurities that some of you may have. I'm always open to more comments...

No, what is shows is that this question has been asked a million different times, a million different ways. I always find it comical when people ask a question, get a response, and then become angry/lash out at the very people the question was directed towards because they didn't like the response. Who the hell do you think you are ??? Don't ask a question, then tell the audience how to respond. A five second search would have fixed all your problems, and that is why people are blowing you off and giving you a hard time. The reaction in no way represents Osteopathic Medicine or the insecurities of members on the board, it represents a jaded attitude to repetitive questions.
 
Before I can begin to choose which branch may better suit me, I just wanted to get a feel of the negatives or what needs to be advanced in the field of osteopathic medicine. I figured I would ask here where the students are much more knowledgable.

There isn't any practical difference between osteopathic and allopathic medicine. The differences between the two are predominately historical and there is still some legacy from that divide, which occurred during the dark ages of medicine, in the mid to late 1800's. Essentially, whether you are a DO or an MD, you'll be practicing to a common standard of care in treating patients and unless you use OMT or reveal your degree, patients won't know which you are. So that being said, your question doesn't apply to modern medicine, since there isn't any difference in the way that medicine is practiced between the two degrees, with the exception that all DO's must learn, but not necessary practice (most do not), OMT.

At the risk of starting a horrific and baseless debate on the issue, I think the more appropriate question is, "are there any challenges to being a DO in a professional climate dominated by MD's?" The answer depends on what you care about.

I think the main issue facing DO's right now is that you have two main factions and no consensus. One group is more traditionalist, seeking to maintain, or even accentuate, what few differences remain between MD and DO. Indeed, I'd say that their whole campaign is centered around the "DO difference," "separate, but equal," and all that holistic, "treat the whole patient, not the disease," propaganda rubbish. I'd say that the AOA falls more into that group and since they essentially control the political direction of the profession, some say that they represent a formidable obstacle to change. The other group represents the realists, who know that in this day and age, the difference between the two traditions, osteopathic and allopathic, aren't particularly significant or relevant and that trying to accentuate differences is only serving to keep us down. If you simply observe the professional practice of medicine, it is plainly obvious that there isn't any difference between MD's and DO's, with the exception of OMT, which MD's can learn and practice, too, if they choose. This group seems to understand that, in the tradition of Plessy v. Ferguson, separate is not equal.

You have to understand that DO's are the minority amongst physicians. Naturally this status has associated challenges, some of which center around misunderstanding and confusion about the degree. Although there has been a great deal of education, recognition, and growth of the DO community in the last decade, I think we are going to be minority players for a bit longer and as long as we can't agree on our direction, we are going to be our own worst enemy.

Another significant problem is with osteopathic GME. Right now the trend is that a majority of DO's are choosing ACGME (allopathic) residencies rather than their own, leaving the OPTI's with many unfilled slots. Why? Well, there are two clear ones: the perception that allopathic residencies are of higher quality and that many osteopathic ones are located in geographically undesirable areas.

On top of that, I'd say that the third more signifcant issue is the topic of clerkships and how they are set up at a number of osteopathic medical schools. Right now, most osteopathic medical schools don't have a large, attached, academic hospital, so they farm their 3rd and 4th year rotations to a consortium of hospitals across the nation. Some schools use preceptors that aren't being paid for their role and don't provide a lot of assistance in helping arrange your forth year rotations. Clerkships are very important.

The last issue I'm going to bring up is the topic of rapid growth. As you know, there has been a rapid increase in the number of osteopathic medical schools recently. While there are many positives to that, one of the huge negatives is that you have to balance the increase in the number of graduates with the number of residencies and clerkships available. If you do nothing to increase the number and quality of GME and clerkships, you create a painful bottleneck. I do not support growth at the expense of quality. In particular, I have fears about the for-profit schools that have been showing up recently.

Anyway, I'm going to come off my soap box now and say that either way you go, MD or DO, you'll be a physician and rest assured that, for all practical purposes, there won't be any difference in your practice. You are a physician. Period. You will be defined predominately by how you practice rather than your degree. However, if you decide to go DO, make sure you understand where we stand and perhaps some of the challenges that you might inherit.
 
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2. DOs do not have the same practice rights as MDs internationally. For example, in certain Canadian provinces and in France, DOs are limited to OMM only. This is something to think about if you plan on doing some international aid-type work. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DOworld.PNG)

Not quite:

1) No one quite knows how much more accepted the USMD degree is accepted internationally. Find me a site that spells it and I'dbe grateful.

2) Working in another country is different that doing a medical mission in that country:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7140869&postcount=2
 
No, what is shows is that this question has been asked a million different times, a million different ways. I always find it comical when people ask a question, get a response, and then become angry/lash out at the very people the question was directed towards because they didn't like the response. Who the hell do you think you are ??? Don't ask a question, then tell the audience how to respond. A five second search would have fixed all your problems, and that is why people are blowing you off and giving you a hard time. The reaction in no way represents Osteopathic Medicine or the insecurities of members on the board, it represents a jaded attitude to repetitive questions.

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I think you misread what I wrote. I didn't make either of those arguments in my post.

I might be misreading you, but it appears that you are talking about doing internation aid work, which, to me, implies that your base practice is in the US, but you want to do medical missions or engage in international relief efforts. When speaking about practice rights, I think we are mostly referring to being able to establish a permanent practice internationally, which differs from medical missions and international relief efforts.
 
I might be misreading you, but it appears that you are talking about doing internation aid work, which, to me, implies that your base practice is in the US, but you want to do medical missions or engage in international relief efforts. When speaking about practice rights, I think we are mostly referring to being able to establish a permanent practice internationally, which differs from medical missions and international relief efforts.

I'm just saying that the rights are different internationally. This is definitely something you should look into if you plan on living abroad and that *may* be something you should look into if you plan on doing aid work.
 
I'm just saying that the rights are different internationally. This is definitely something you should look into if you plan on living abroad and that *may* be something you should look into if you plan on doing aid work.

I don't think there are any restrictions to performing international aid work as part of a relief organization, relative to having an DO degree vs. an MD degree.
 
I think you misread what I wrote. I didn't make either of those arguments in my post.

Let's look at your statement:

2. DOs do not have the same practice rights as MDs internationally.

How do you know? Have you discovered some place which actually tells you where the USMD is recognized internationally, or do you, like every other premed in the world, assume that the USMD is internationally recognized? It's not.

For example, in certain Canadian provinces and in France, DOs are limited to OMM only. This is something to think about if you plan on doing some international aid-type work. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DOworld.PNG)

I'm just saying that the rights are different internationally. This is definitely something you should look into if you plan on living abroad and that *may* be something you should look into if you plan on doing aid work.

Again, you are confusing two different types of rights. Moving abroad and working there is constrained by the other countries' licensing protocol.

Being able to do international aid or medical mission work isn't affected by where I live, but where I'm licensed.

Look, if I, as a USDO, licensed to practice medicine in the US, moves to one of the Canadian provinces that does not recognize the USDO degree, I will not be able to work as a physician there. But it doesn't stop me from volunteering for medical missions in other countries.

In fact, if I were to do a medical mission in a country that does not recognize my degree for work, I could still perform the medical mission because of the temporary privileges afforded to me through the relief organization.

So, in this crazy world, I could live in a Canadian province that does not recognize the USDO degree, but if I were sent to that same province under a medical mission, I could practice medicine for the length of the mission.
 
How do you know? Have you discovered some place which actually tells you where the USMD is recognized internationally, or do you, like every other premed in the world, assume that the USMD is internationally recognized? It's not.

This says that Saskatchewan accepts the US MD (http://www.quadrant.net/cpss/registration/register.html). It also seems to imply that the province accepts the DO degree, but the AOA says otherwise.

By looking at the AOA map you can see that in certain countries the practice rights are, in fact, different. That's what the map shows you. Also, I'm not sure where I wrote that the US MD is recognized in every country.

As for your other point, I can see that you want to continue discussing it. But, seeing as how I'm in agreement with you, I can't really refute it.
 
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No, what is shows is that this question has been asked a million different times, a million different ways. I always find it comical when people ask a question, get a response, and then become angry/lash out at the very people the question was directed towards because they didn't like the response. Who the hell do you think you are ??? Don't ask a question, then tell the audience how to respond. A five second search would have fixed all your problems, and that is why people are blowing you off and giving you a hard time. The reaction in no way represents Osteopathic Medicine or the insecurities of members on the board, it represents a jaded attitude to repetitive questions.


Ok, I'm not sure what you read in my post that makes me sound like I'm angry because I really, really am not.

I tried the search button, but found no results. If you care to do a "five second search" to help me, that would be great, rather than spending well over 5 seconds to form your responses.

You mad?

EDIT: And let me make this clear, since I believe my question is being misinterpreted. I am NOT comparing DO vs MD. I am simply asking for what can be improved upon in the osteopathic profession... without even considering the allopathic profession. One point has already been brought up with the international rights, which is something I was looking for.
 
I am simply asking for what can be improved upon in the osteopathic profession... without even considering the allopathic profession. One point has already been brought up with the international rights, which is something I was looking for.

I think my post cites some pertinent issues.
 
Going through DO schools seem more demanding because you are required to complete additional training in OMM. This might be why fewer people go the DO route and why it's slightly easier (number-wise) to get into DO programs. MD is hard in itself. Some people don't want to do any extra work unless they have to.

i highly doubt that is a common reason for not going DO and if it is, sure as hell no one will admit it.

Also, I have no idea how you jumped from additional training in OMM to "slightly easier number wise." Can you explain that connection, cuz i dont see the reasoning at all.
 
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