What is the WORST medical school?

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piii said:
Everything I've read suggests LECOM-B to be a terrible school.
Prison guard like security guards, strict business formal dress wear including in anatomy lab (no scrubs!), no water in the lecture halls, mandatory lecture, unaccommodating admin.
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And yet so many of their graduates go on to perform marvelously on their boards and become licensed physicians. (Also, it is one of the least expensive options, across the board.)

No, none of the LECOM branches are party schools... though we do still have fun. But if you think that having to dress up and attend lecture is the measure of the worst possible school, maybe you misunderstand what going to med school is all about. In which case, it is best for everyone if you do choose a different school.
 
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piii said:
We should also add Harvard, Columbia, BU, Dartmouth which have the same tuition.
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Harvard and Columbia are T10 schools. Dartmouth has the benefit of having that "Ivy-brand" associated with it, even though it's not that highly ranked.

BU on the other hand is ranked #29. Has no brand name. And expects kids to shell out close to what the schools above do. Ditto Tufts.

Explain that to me pls.
 
WedgeDawg said:
Yeah it was a little off putting to be perfectly honest.
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Does yield go into med school rankings like they do for undergrad? NYU is working very hard to maintain and raise their ranking. Every little bit counts, so maybe it is that?

ElCapone said:
Harvard and Columbia are T10 schools. Dartmouth has the benefit of having that "Ivy-brand" associated with it, even though it's not that highly ranked.

BU on the other hand is ranked #29. Has no brand name. And expects kids to shell out close to what the schools above do. Ditto Tufts.

Explain that to me pls.
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BU is a brand name...at least on the east coast. Tufts med schools is less of a brand for medicine, but still good. But, yeah, Harvard, Columbia, etc cost as much as Tufts except they give a lot of aid
 
ElCapone said:
Harvard and Columbia are T10 schools. Dartmouth has the benefit of having that "Ivy-brand" associated with it, even though it's not that highly ranked.

BU on the other hand is ranked #29. Has no brand name. And expects kids to shell out close to what the schools above do. Ditto Tufts.

Explain that to me pls.
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Because you're a silly premed that says things like t10
 
ElCapone said:
Harvard and Columbia are T10 schools. Dartmouth has the benefit of having that "Ivy-brand" associated with it, even though it's not that highly ranked.

BU on the other hand is ranked #29. Has no brand name. And expects kids to shell out close to what the schools above do. Ditto Tufts.

Explain that to me pls.
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Illinois' tuition is 15k higher than Tufts...
 
Why all the hate for Harvard and Princeton? Aren't these considered top tier schools?


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Promethean said:
And yet so many of their graduates go on to perform marvelously on their boards and become licensed physicians. (Also, it is one of the least expensive options, across the board.)

No, none of the LECOM branches are party schools... though we do still have fun. But if you think that having to dress up and attend lecture is the measure of the worst possible school, maybe you misunderstand what going to med school is all about. In which case, it is best for everyone if you do choose a different school.
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Wow you got me, I'm gonna rethink this whole med thing now, thanks for your awesome advice 🙂 Yeah, it's ridiculous how all the other crazy party liberal med schools have amazing match records and education!! Man, you guys certainly figured out the right way to teach med students, congrats! Now I'm going to enjoy my non mandatory lectures and scrubs in anatomy lab like a dirty hippy 😉
 
ElCapone said:
Harvard and Columbia are T10 schools. Dartmouth has the benefit of having that "Ivy-brand" associated with it, even though it's not that highly ranked.

BU on the other hand is ranked #29. Has no brand name. And expects kids to shell out close to what the schools above do. Ditto Tufts.

Explain that to me pls.
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Lol you're funny. And maybe you could grasp the idea that the prices aren't because of quality or brand name or reputation or what ever, but because of actual cost to train students, in that location, with all the facility, realty, and employee costs. But NOO That can't be it can it??'! Only t10 schools can be that expensive cause they're just that good!
 
ElCapone said:
Harvard and Columbia are T10 schools. Dartmouth has the benefit of having that "Ivy-brand" associated with it, even though it's not that highly ranked.

BU on the other hand is ranked #29. Has no brand name. And expects kids to shell out close to what the schools above do. Ditto Tufts.

Explain that to me pls.
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Spoiler alert: the cost of educating a med student is not tied to the prestige of a university. I can't believe this has to be explained.
 
Promethean said:
And yet so many of their graduates go on to perform marvelously on their boards and become licensed physicians. (Also, it is one of the least expensive options, across the board.)

No, none of the LECOM branches are party schools... though we do still have fun. But if you think that having to dress up and attend lecture is the measure of the worst possible school, maybe you misunderstand what going to med school is all about. In which case, it is best for everyone if you do choose a different school.
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I'm actually fairly certain this speech was delivered verbatim at my LECOM interview.
 
Psai said:
Because you're a silly premed that says things like t10
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Yeah, because "Yale SOM" clearly carries the same impact as "Tulane SOM" to people both inside and outside of medicine. Try laterl-ing into consulting/biopharma/etc. with a degree from the latter, and see how far you go 🙂

Now, you won't like to admit it because you don't want to feel bad on the inside about how the world operates. But it's just the truth.

piii said:
Lol you're funny. And maybe you could grasp the idea that the prices aren't because of quality or brand name or reputation or what ever, but because of actual cost to train students, in that location, with all the facility, realty, and employee costs. But NOO That can't be it can it??'! Only t10 schools can be that expensive cause they're just that good!
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Cool response bro. If you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, go over to University of Illinois, and pay $72,442 per year for out-of-state tuition. After all, it's so high just because the cost of training students, right? 😉

Or are people not allowed to perform cost-benefit analysis on how much they get out of School X vs Y for the amount of tuition they put in at each?
 
ElCapone said:
Yeah, because "Yale SOM" clearly carries the same impact as "Tulane SOM" to people both inside and outside of medicine. Try laterl-ing into consulting/biopharma/etc. with a degree from the latter, and see how far you go 🙂

Now, you won't like to admit it because you don't want to feel bad on the inside about how the world operates. But it's just the truth.



Cool response bro. If you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, go over to University of Illinois, and pay $72,442 per year for out-of-state tuition. After all, it's so high just because the cost of training students, right? 😉

Or are people not allowed to perform cost-benefit analysis on how much they get out of School X vs Y for the amount of tuition they put in at each?
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Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. I remember the time when I demanded a Yale medical school trained physician and they were amazing, healed me solely by touch. Oh wait no one does that. Laterl bro
 
MD programs all have to maintain the same standard of excellence across the board. There are excellent physicians produced by the "lowest ranked" schools and poor physicians from places like Harvard & Penn.


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ElCapone said:
Yeah, because "Yale SOM" clearly carries the same impact as "Tulane SOM" to people both inside and outside of medicine. Try laterl-ing into consulting/biopharma/etc. with a degree from the latter, and see how far you go 🙂

Now, you won't like to admit it because you don't want to feel bad on the inside about how the world operates. But it's just the truth.



Cool response bro. If you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, go over to University of Illinois, and pay $72,442 per year for out-of-state tuition. After all, it's so high just because the cost of training students, right? 😉

Or are people not allowed to perform cost-benefit analysis on how much they get out of School X vs Y for the amount of tuition they put in at each?
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Consulting firms often have recruiters at Tulane...I highly doubt that a Tulane or Tufts pedigree would keep you out of consulting. But like I said, the difference between Yale and Tufts/Tulane is that Yale will give out a lot of aid, so they don't actually cost their sticker price
 
ElCapone said:
Yeah, because "Yale SOM" clearly carries the same impact as "Tulane SOM" to people both inside and outside of medicine. Try laterl-ing into consulting/biopharma/etc. with a degree from the latter, and see how far you go 🙂

Now, you won't like to admit it because you don't want to feel bad on the inside about how the world operates. But it's just the truth.



Cool response bro. If you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, go over to University of Illinois, and pay $72,442 per year for out-of-state tuition. After all, it's so high just because the cost of training students, right? 😉

Or are people not allowed to perform cost-benefit analysis on how much they get out of School X vs Y for the amount of tuition they put in at each?
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Ok pump the breaks there champ...

1) Were commenting on "T10" not Yale vs Tulane. T10 is arbitrary and there is no reason to believe the 9th ranked school will be appreciably better than the 11th for a given field.


2) it's not the students doing the cost benefit analysis lol. Schools set tuition, and most accepted students get 1 acceptance. Usually people will pay astronomical tuition if it's their only option.
 
ElCapone said:
Yeah, because "Yale SOM" clearly carries the same impact as "Tulane SOM" to people both inside and outside of medicine. Try laterl-ing into consulting/biopharma/etc. with a degree from the latter, and see how far you go 🙂

Now, you won't like to admit it because you don't want to feel bad on the inside about how the world operates. But it's just the truth.
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It still makes no sense to do CBA on med school tuition using the probability of obtaining lateral opportunities outside of medicine. Like, who cares? 5% of applicants? The vast majority of people who go to school want to practice medicine. In this respect, a bigger name carries some weight but besides a couple of uber competitive fields or elitist residencies, schools are nearly equal. Where the analysis DOES become useful is for the clinical training. That's mostly where the quality difference is. Just because you care other the fringy stuff doesn't mean it makes sense for other people to. Nobody gives a ****
 
youououa said:
How do you know? This wasn't a problem when I applied (and was offered a seat) in the 2014-2015 cycle.
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I interviewed there in the same cycle and they explicitly told us we had to send them following our interview. It is possible it was a miscommunication but the person who relayed the info to us seemed adamant about it.
 
Ah, I didn't get that guidance. I also applied to the MD/PhD program, which might have influenced their post-interview selection process.

WedgeDawg said:
I interviewed there in the same cycle and they explicitly told us we had to send them following our interview
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wanderingorion said:
Are these things people were mentioning, like obligatory thank you notes and LOIs, still necessary? Sounds ridiculous.
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Yeah. Maybe they learned and stop requiring people to write a letter of intent in order to be considered for admission.
 
Let's put it this way...if LUCOM was my only option I wouldn't be in med school.

Loma Linda would make me miserable but it still would be worth it.
 
Counting only US institutions, I'd probably say it's one of the DO schools that doesn't have enough home rotation sites, leaving their students forced to do umpteen aways their fourth year.

Like, a lot of people voluntarily do 1-2 aways, but not having even the option to stay home for the rest of your fourth year rotations? I think that's a pretty crappy thing to do to your students.
 
Pagan FutureDoc said:
Let's put it this way...if LUCOM was my only option I wouldn't be in med school.

Loma Linda would make me miserable but it still would be worth it.
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If I only got into LUCOM, that's where I'd be going. I care more about being a doctor than where I go to med school.
 
Pagan FutureDoc said:
Let's put it this way...if LUCOM was my only option I wouldn't be in med school.

Loma Linda would make me miserable but it still would be worth it.
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Well I dont know. Liberty University is such a shining example of excellent education that the President asked its leader, Jerry Falwell Jr. to become the secretary of Education. Upon declining that role Falwell is now going to lead a task force aimed at "reforming" education.
 
Since this thread got bumped, I would just like to say that for some google searches, SDN threads trashing Georgetown show up ahead of the Georgetown's actual website.

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@Jalby has won the propaganda war.
 
Shreman said:
Your Google searches are optimized based on your prior search history. Since you frequent SDN, those hits will be prioritized. Not everyone in the world will be seeing the same exact search.
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Also he wrote "Georgetown worst medical school." Of course the SDN thread with those exact words are going to pop up first.
 
Lucca said:
Since this thread got bumped, I would just like to say that for some google searches, SDN threads trashing Georgetown show up ahead of the Georgetown's actual website.

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@Jalby has won the propaganda war.
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Not quite. This isn't accurate. SDN shows up as the first result because Google mines your history and data and sees that you frequent SDN a lot, so it's a "more relevant" result for you. In incognito/private (i.e., absent of Google data mining), Georgetown's official site shows up first.
 
avgn said:
Not quite. This isn't accurate. SDN shows up as the first result because Google mines your history and data and sees that you frequent SDN a lot, so it's a "more relevant" result for you. In incognito/private (i.e., absent of Google data mining), Georgetown's official site shows up first.
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neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd
 
Lucca said:
Does the med school have the same rules as their undergrad? Even LUCOM med doesn't hold the med students to the same code of conduct I don't think
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These are a few gems.

"Code of Personal Conduct The College of Osteopathic Medicine Code of Conduct does not replace the University Code of Student Conduct rather supplements it for osteopathic medical students."

"Non-marital sexual relations and the encouragement or advocacy of sexual behaviors which undermine Christian identity or Liberty Universities faith mission are defined by the University as morally inappropriate misconduct and constitute violations of this Personal Code of Conduct."

"E. Pornography Involvement with pornographic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive materials, expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Personal Code of Conduct and the Christian World View of the College and University. Use of the University's computing network to obtain or distribute such materials constitutes a violation of the Code."


https://www.liberty.edu/media/1290/...-Computing-Social Media Policies-11212014.pdf
 
libertyyne said:
These are a few gems.

"Code of Personal Conduct The College of Osteopathic Medicine Code of Conduct does not replace the University Code of Student Conduct rather supplements it for osteopathic medical students."

"Non-marital sexual relations and the encouragement or advocacy of sexual behaviors which undermine Christian identity or Liberty Universities faith mission are defined by the University as morally inappropriate misconduct and constitute violations of this Personal Code of Conduct."

"E. Pornography Involvement with pornographic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive materials, expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Personal Code of Conduct and the Christian World View of the College and University. Use of the University's computing network to obtain or distribute such materials constitutes a violation of the Code."


https://www.liberty.edu/media/1290/pdfs/LUCOM-Code of Conduct-Academic Standards-Computing-Social Media Policies-11212014.pdf
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Millenials and their safe spaces and censorship amiriteguys
 
libertyyne said:
These are a few gems.

"Code of Personal Conduct The College of Osteopathic Medicine Code of Conduct does not replace the University Code of Student Conduct rather supplements it for osteopathic medical students."

"Non-marital sexual relations and the encouragement or advocacy of sexual behaviors which undermine Christian identity or Liberty Universities faith mission are defined by the University as morally inappropriate misconduct and constitute violations of this Personal Code of Conduct."

"E. Pornography Involvement with pornographic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive materials, expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Personal Code of Conduct and the Christian World View of the College and University. Use of the University's computing network to obtain or distribute such materials constitutes a violation of the Code."


https://www.liberty.edu/media/1290/pdfs/LUCOM-Code of Conduct-Academic Standards-Computing-Social Media Policies-11212014.pdf
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I'm married and I don't watch porn. I'd still go.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I'm married and I don't watch porn. I'd still go.
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I hope you dont like wearing shorts either.
"Students may not wear the following unless specified in the syllabus of a specific course or as required for laboratory experiences:
• Shorts or cutoffs
• Miniskirts
• Jeans or denim of any type
• See-through clothing or halter tops
• Sandals, flip-flops, crocs, or any open-toed shoe
• T-shirts of any type may not be worn as the outer shirt Jogging, yoga, or other exercise clothing
• Inappropriately matched garments
• Garments with any offensive, suggestive, obscene, or unprofessional statements or gestures
• Hats, caps, or head coverings, other than religious cover, may not be worn in the classroom, laboratories, library or other educational settings.
• Scrubs may not be worn outside of the OMM, Anatomy or Clinical Medicine Laboratory.
• Scrubs may not be worn on clinical rotations except on Surgery, OB, or ER unless directed by faculty or DSME"

I wonder if they are talking about those in the biblical sense. Yeah, they probably are. This sounds a lot like Saudi Arabia in terms of personal liberty.
 
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