What is the WORST medical school?

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I have several friends who go to LUCOM (I did my undergrad in VA). I hear the facilities & education are great. Idk much about clinicals since it's DO, but it seems a lot of people on SDN bash LUCOM (some rightfully so), without knowing much about it or about the students who go there.

I didn't apply there, but like @Matthew9Thirtyfive , if I had no other choice I'd gladly go there and put up with the dress code and rules. (I know people who went to Liberty undergrad and plenty of students drink/smoke/party/fornicate, the school looks more strict on paper from what I hear).

Just my 2 cents lol.
 
Healer@1994 said:
I have several friends who go to LUCOM (I did my undergrad in VA). I hear the facilities & education are great. Idk much about clinicals since it's DO, but it seems a lot of people on SDN bash LUCOM (some rightfully so), without knowing much about it or about the students who go there.

I didn't apply there, but like @Matthew9Thirtyfive , if I had no other choice I'd gladly go there and put up with the dress code and rules. (I know people who went to Liberty undergrad and plenty of students drink/smoke/party/fornicate, the school looks more strict on paper from what I hear).

Just my 2 cents lol.
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I had a LU graduate in my med school class and she was legitimately surprised that I had even heard of her school when we met at orientation.
 
WingedOx said:
I had a LU graduate in my med school class and she was legitimately surprised that I had even heard of her school when we met at orientation.
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That's interesting, I feel as though most people would have heard of it due to the Trump/Falwell bromance lol
 
Healer@1994 said:
I have several friends who go to LUCOM (I did my undergrad in VA). I hear the facilities & education are great. Idk much about clinicals since it's DO, but it seems a lot of people on SDN bash LUCOM (some rightfully so), without knowing much about it or about the students who go there.

I didn't apply there, but like @Matthew9Thirtyfive , if I had no other choice I'd gladly go there and put up with the dress code and rules. (I know people who went to Liberty undergrad and plenty of students drink/smoke/party/fornicate, the school looks more strict on paper from what I hear).

Just my 2 cents lol.
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Yeah, I have the same opinion I did earlier. I would go if I had no other options. I know a few people who graduated from or go to Liberty for undergrad and grad school (not the med school though), and they like it. That said, they are all conservative Christians, so the school's rules are not burdensome. If one of my gay or transgender friends said they only got into LUCOM (not sure why they applied, but play along), I'd certainly respect their decision to decline and reapply (or change careers).

Personally, I am a Christian, but I am not nearly as conservative as the people I know who go/went there. I have many LGBT friends, I watched SCOTUSblog live for a week waiting for Obergefell to be put out (and was ecstatic when it was), etc. So I probably would have to hold my tongue a LOT.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Yeah, I have the same opinion I did earlier. I would go if I had no other options. I know a few people who graduated from or go to Liberty for undergrad and grad school (not the med school though), and they like it. That said, they are all conservative Christians, so the school's rules are not burdensome. If one of my gay or transgender friends said they only got into LUCOM (not sure why they applied, but play along), I'd certainly respect their decision to decline and reapply (or change careers).

Personally, I am a Christian, but I am not nearly as conservative as the people I know who go/went there. I have many LGBT friends, I watched SCOTUSblog live for a week waiting for Obergefell to be put out (and was ecstatic when it was), etc. So I probably would have to hold my tongue a LOT.
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For sure, of course you have to respect everyone's decisions. My only point was that LUCOM might not be as bad as it seems.
 
I was initially going to apply to Loma Linda but, when I saw the chapel requirement, I passed. My undergrad had the same chapel requirement (chapel 2 days a week and 4 days of convocation every semester where you should not have exams but professors give you loads of assignments and an exam right after convocation). I didn't mind it but it became a burden when I moved off-campus and didn't have any classes on campus on chapel days.
However, we could wear denim and I saw a lot of half-naked people in chapel and class and around campus so I guess they were not too strict about enforcing the dress codes (no miniskirts or shorts). The classrooms and buildings were always freezing cold in summer though so they enforced it indirectly? :shrug:

I never considered LUCOM though but if it's anything like Loma Linda, it'll be a hard pass.
 
nezpas said:
I was initially going to apply to Loma Linda but, when I saw the chapel requirement, I passed. My undergrad had the same chapel requirement (chapel 2 days a week and 4 days of convocation every semester where you should not have exams but professors give you loads of assignments and an exam right after convocation). I didn't mind it but it became a burden when I moved off-campus and didn't have any classes on campus on chapel days.
However, we could wear denim and I saw a lot of half-naked people in chapel and class and around campus so I guess they were not too strict about enforcing the dress codes (no miniskirts or shorts). The classrooms and buildings were always freezing cold in summer though so they enforced it indirectly? :shrug:

I never considered LUCOM though but if it's anything like Loma Linda, it'll be a hard pass.
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Yeah, I go to church every week anyway, and I can't imagine not going to a med school because I couldn't wear shorts. But to each his own.
 
Goro said:
I'm dreading the day someone tells me that they have accepts to Touro-NY, LUCOM and CNU and asks me which one they should go to.
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:horns:CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER:horns:
 
Saifa said:
:horns:CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER:horns:
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@Goro, given that CNU obviously puts its bottom line above its students to the point of denying them access to federal aid, not to mention the issues with the guy running the school, and that LUCOM is simply a religious school with some Draconian rules, would you recommend people go to LUCOM over CNU? Just curious what your thought process is like there.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
@Goro, given that CNU obviously puts its bottom line above its students to the point of denying them access to federal aid, not to mention the issues with the guy running the school, and that LUCOM is simply a religious school with some Draconian rules, would you recommend people go to LUCOM over CNU? Just curious what your thought process is like there.
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nah, cuz MD.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
@Goro, given that CNU obviously puts its bottom line above its students to the point of denying them access to federal aid, not to mention the issues with the guy running the school, and that LUCOM is simply a religious school with some Draconian rules, would you recommend people go to LUCOM over CNU? Just curious what your thought process is like there.
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Immoral behavior is immoral behavior, whether DO or MD.
BombsAway said:
nah, cuz MD.
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Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
If you were a marginal applicant whose only acceptance was CNU, you wouldn’t take it?
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I'm a little torn, to be honest. I interviewed at CNU this year and I have to say I really didn't enjoy the university or the interview day. They really didn't seem like they had everything together. Another issue I had was their interview setup. It was MMI with 5 minutes of the interviewer not being allowed to speak to you or respond; you'd just walk in and give them the answer with them sitting silently. I feel like that was a strange way to conduct things and it may not be the best way to get qualified thinkers but more qualified speech givers.

Additionally, while I was there, I'm almost 100% sure one of the interviewers (Who did not follow the rule about not speaking to the applicants) definitely asked me illegal interview questions. I answered the questions he asked but it made me really uncomfortable with the entire thing. Another interviewer asked me my GPA and MCAT, although we were told that all interviewers should be blindly reviewing us. I gave him the answer to that, as I didn't want to dodge the question and be dinged for it.

The same interviewer who asked my what my GPA and MCAT were asked me what specialties I was thinking of, and then tried to talk me out of going into it. So I especially didn't enjoy that.

Overall, if that was the only place I got in and there was no way I could improve my app anymore and attend medical school within 2 years, I'd chose CNU. Otherwise, I don't think so.
 
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FlavivirusProtease said:
I'm a little torn, to be honest. I interviewed at CNU this year and I have to say I really didn't enjoy the university or the interview day. They really didn't seem like they had everything together. Another issue I had was their interview setup. It was MMI with 5 minutes of the interviewer not being allowed to speak to you or respond; you'd just walk in and give them the answer with them sitting silently. I feel like that was a strange way to conduct things and it may not be the best way to get qualified thinkers but more qualified speech givers.

Additionally, while I was there, I'm almost 100% sure one of the interviewers (Who did not follow the rule about not speaking to the applicants) definitely asked me illegal interview questions. I answered the questions he asked but it made me really uncomfortable with the entire thing. Another interviewer asked me my GPA and MCAT, although we were told that all interviewers should be blindly reviewing us. I gave him the answer to that, as I didn't want to dodge the question and be dinged for it.

The same interviewer who asked my what my GPA and MCAT were asked me what specialties I was thinking of, and then tried to talk me out of going into it. So I especially didn't enjoy that.

Overall, if that was the only place I got in and there was no way I could improve my app anymore and attend medical school within 2 years, I'd chose CNU. Otherwise, I don't think so.
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That’s a well-reasoned answer.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
That’s a well-reasoned answer.
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Also, the lunch buffet was Indian Food and they gave it to us then had us do 90 minutes of interviewing. I like spicy Indian food, but that just seems like a lapse in judgement for the weak-stomached.

Why not do something safe like sandwiches? I just can’t get behind a program that thinks it’s a good idea to give a bunch of nervous people a whole lot of Indian and then grill them with questions for 90 minutes.
 
FlavivirusProtease said:
Also, the lunch buffet was Indian Food and they gave it to us then had us do 90 minutes of interviewing. I like spicy Indian food, but that just seems like a lapse in judgement for the weak-stomached.

Why not do something safe like sandwiches? I just can’t get behind a program that thinks it’s a good idea to give a bunch of nervous people a whole lot of Indian and then grill them with questions for 90 minutes.
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Yeah, that sounds terrible.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
You’d rather them not be a doctor?
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NOT a CNU doctor. I am honestly worried that because They're on LCME's radar (and not in a good way) that their may not have a med school for too much longer.

Seriously, a med student shouldn't have to have their degree solely depend upon the efforts of the med school's lawyers at holding the LCME at bay.

This is all academic where my kids are concerned. Both of them despise Science.
 
Wow... I truly didn't think med schools got as ****ty as this. I will NEVER apply to LCOM, Touro or CNU. I just thought that a med school is a med school, but the stuff on this thread *shudders* .. worried about getting caught in a bar or watching porn as a grown as adult!
 
yikes. i wonder if its serious or just speculation right now that cnu is in actual deep doodoo
 
sammiesings said:
yikes. i wonder if its serious or just speculation right now that cnu is in actual deep doodoo
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From what I've seen, the complaints that Goro, gyngyn, etc., have expressed about CNU fall into at least one of three categories: (1) patently false (e.g., gyngyn: "A review of faculty credentials reveals a significant lack of scholarship"), unverifiable (e.g., Goro: "CNU is on LCME's radar"), and (3) trivial (e.g., gyngyn: "[the inaugural] class ended up with twice as many men as women"). These quotes are from a mid-2017 CNU-bashing thread.

CNU will be fine. People were going nuts about RVUCOM (the first for-profit DO school) when it first opened. So far, RVUCOM has established itself as one of the best DO schools in terms of matriculating student quality, board performance, and match outcomes.
 
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Osminog said:
From what I've seen, the complaints that Goro, gyngyn, etc., have expressed about CNU fall into at least one of three categories: (1) patently false (e.g., gyngyn: "A review of faculty credentials reveals a significant lack of scholarship"), unverifiable (e.g., Goro: "CNU is on LCME's radar"), and (3) trivial (e.g., gyngyn: "[the inaugural] class ended up with twice as many men as women"). These quotes are from a mid-2017 RVU-bashing thread.

CNU will be fine. People were going nuts about RVUCOM (the first for-profit DO school) when it first opened. So far, RVUCOM has established itself as one of the best DO schools in terms of matriculating student quality, board performance, and match outcomes.
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i've only picked up on things here and there but i feel like you've summarized it well.

facts only, y'alllll lol. if only for the poor kids who are enrolled and flip out every time they see anything on here lol
 
also, to be clear, not one of them 😉.
sammiesings said:
i've only picked up on things here and there but i feel like you've summarized it well.

facts only, y'alllll lol. if only for the poor kids who are enrolled and flip out every time they see anything on here lol
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piii said:
Everything I've read suggests LECOM-B to be a terrible school.
Prison guard like security guards, strict business formal dress wear including in anatomy lab (no scrubs!), no water in the lecture halls, mandatory lecture, unaccommodating admin.
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i hate all the LECOMS after interviewing at 2/3 campuses. GIMME WATER
 
sammiesings said:
facts only, y'alllll lol. if only for the poor kids who are enrolled and flip out every time they see anything on here lol
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They continue to deny their students access to federal loans and (even more important) payback mechanisms.
 
FlavivirusProtease said:
Also, the lunch buffet was Indian Food and they gave it to us then had us do 90 minutes of interviewing. I like spicy Indian food, but that just seems like a lapse in judgement for the weak-stomached.

Why not do something safe like sandwiches? I just can’t get behind a program that thinks it’s a good idea to give a bunch of nervous people a whole lot of Indian and then grill them with questions for 90 minutes.
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This is SDN gold.

Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Yikes. Link?
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I doubt there is one. The comment sounds like a big over-exaggeration of LUCOM's religious belief that homosexuality is a sin.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This is SDN gold.
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I remember thinking they were joking too, because when they went over the schedule at the start of the day, the presenter told us we were having Indian for lunch and then giggled.

Then we got there for lunch and there was a massive table of Indian food waiting for us.
 
FlavivirusProtease said:
I remember thinking they were joking too, because when they went over the schedule at the start of the day, the presenter told us we were having Indian for lunch and then giggled.

Then we got there for lunch and there was a massive table of Indian food waiting for us.
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Jesus christ.. it had to be done on purpose. Maybe that one last weed-out for the weak stomached applicants?
 
gyngyn said:
They continue to deny their students access to federal loans and (even more important) payback mechanisms.
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yes, that's a fact. i was referring to the vague "they're under lcme's radar and may not have a school soon" lcme knew they were doing the above. so its not for that reason they're "on lcme's radar."

and if they're not actually in immediate danger of being shut down, we shouldn't be spreading that, right?
 
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