What is the WORST medical school?

[SwordOfTheMorning]

By far, the worst medical school has to be the one with an undergrad that you attended, but still got rejected (or waitlisted) from. That's the worst kind of shaft.

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[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I hope you dont like wearing shorts either.
"Students may not wear the following unless specified in the syllabus of a specific course or as required for laboratory experiences:
• Shorts or cutoffs
• Miniskirts
• Jeans or denim of any type
• See-through clothing or halter tops
• Sandals, flip-flops, crocs, or any open-toed shoe
• T-shirts of any type may not be worn as the outer shirt Jogging, yoga, or other exercise clothing
• Inappropriately matched garments
• Garments with any offensive, suggestive, obscene, or unprofessional statements or gestures
• Hats, caps, or head coverings, other than religious cover, may not be worn in the classroom, laboratories, library or other educational settings.
• Scrubs may not be worn outside of the OMM, Anatomy or Clinical Medicine Laboratory.
• Scrubs may not be worn on clinical rotations except on Surgery, OB, or ER unless directed by faculty or DSME"

I wonder if they are talking about those in the biblical sense. Yeah, they probably are. This sounds a lot like Saudi Arabia in terms of personal liberty.

That's to class. I currently wear this ~70 hours a week:

Not being able to wear shorts or jeans to class is not really a deal breaker for me.

 

[libertyyne]

Here are some more gems :

"Students are to be in their residence halls each night by curfew. Everyone is asked to be courteous at all times concerning noise. No one is permitted to do laundry after curfew. Curfew hours are:  Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday - 12:00 AM (midnight)  Wednesday - 10:00 PM  Thursday – 12:00 AM (midnight)  Friday and Saturday - 12:30 AM"
"Liberty University prohibits the possession, use, manufacture, or distribution of alcoholic beverages, tobacco, nicotine and illegal drugs or controlled substances by its students, whether this occurs on or off campus. This includes the use or possession of prescription medications not prescribed to the student and the abuse of prescribed medication. Violations of this prohibition may result in disciplinary action, including administrative withdrawal. In addition, the possession, use, manufacture and/or distribution of illegal substances is a crime and Liberty University will cooperate with law enforcement authorities who are charged with enforcing the law"

"For the protection of its students and community, the university conducts an on-going program of mandatory random drug testing"

"Media or entertainment that is offensive to Liberty's standards and traditions (i.e., lewd lyrics, anti-Christian message, sexual content, nudity, pornography, etc.) is not permitted"

"While industry ratings systems for movies, games, and other media generally are not reliable standards, they can be helpful in identifying content. Movie content rated “X” and “NC-17” and video game content rated “A” are not permitted. • Caution should be used in viewing movie content rated “R” and “PG-13” and video game content rated “M”"

"12 Points (+ $50.00 Fine) • Deception • Minor violation of the Statement on Sexuality & Relationships (e.g. inappropriate personal contact; visiting alone with the opposite sex at an off-campus residence; entering the residence hallway, quad, or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex or allowing the same; visiting any dwelling or residence with a member of the opposite sex in inappropriate circumstances)"
"
"18 Points (+ $250 Fine & 18 Hours Disciplinary Community Service)
Intentional participation in a social gathering where alcohol is served (e.g. party, bar, or nightclub)
• Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior • Violation of the Entertainment Guidelines (may be considered a 12-18 point violation)
• Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress with member of opposite sex"

 

[Perfect Hair Day]

Here are some more gems :

"Students are to be in their residence halls each night by curfew. Everyone is asked to be courteous at all times concerning noise. No one is permitted to do laundry after curfew. Curfew hours are:  Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday - 12:00 AM (midnight)  Wednesday - 10:00 PM  Thursday – 12:00 AM (midnight)  Friday and Saturday - 12:30 AM"
"Liberty University prohibits the possession, use, manufacture, or distribution of alcoholic beverages, tobacco, nicotine and illegal drugs or controlled substances by its students, whether this occurs on or off campus. This includes the use or possession of prescription medications not prescribed to the student and the abuse of prescribed medication. Violations of this prohibition may result in disciplinary action, including administrative withdrawal. In addition, the possession, use, manufacture and/or distribution of illegal substances is a crime and Liberty University will cooperate with law enforcement authorities who are charged with enforcing the law"

"For the protection of its students and community, the university conducts an on-going program of mandatory random drug testing"

"Media or entertainment that is offensive to Liberty's standards and traditions (i.e., lewd lyrics, anti-Christian message, sexual content, nudity, pornography, etc.) is not permitted"

"While industry ratings systems for movies, games, and other media generally are not reliable standards, they can be helpful in identifying content. Movie content rated “X” and “NC-17” and video game content rated “A” are not permitted. • Caution should be used in viewing movie content rated “R” and “PG-13” and video game content rated “M”"

"12 Points (+ $50.00 Fine) • Deception • Minor violation of the Statement on Sexuality & Relationships (e.g. inappropriate personal contact; visiting alone with the opposite sex at an off-campus residence; entering the residence hallway, quad, or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex or allowing the same; visiting any dwelling or residence with a member of the opposite sex in inappropriate circumstances)"
"
"18 Points (+ $250 Fine & 18 Hours Disciplinary Community Service)
Intentional participation in a social gathering where alcohol is served (e.g. party, bar, or nightclub)
• Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior • Violation of the Entertainment Guidelines (may be considered a 12-18 point violation)
• Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress with member of opposite sex"

This is a joke right?
What vices are students attending this university permitted to lean on as an outlet from the unrelenting rigors of medical school? Wait wait, let me guess - prayer?

 

[SpartanWolverine]

Here are some more gems :

"Students are to be in their residence halls each night by curfew. Everyone is asked to be courteous at all times concerning noise. No one is permitted to do laundry after curfew. Curfew hours are:  Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday - 12:00 AM (midnight)  Wednesday - 10:00 PM  Thursday – 12:00 AM (midnight)  Friday and Saturday - 12:30 AM"
"Liberty University prohibits the possession, use, manufacture, or distribution of alcoholic beverages, tobacco, nicotine and illegal drugs or controlled substances by its students, whether this occurs on or off campus. This includes the use or possession of prescription medications not prescribed to the student and the abuse of prescribed medication. Violations of this prohibition may result in disciplinary action, including administrative withdrawal. In addition, the possession, use, manufacture and/or distribution of illegal substances is a crime and Liberty University will cooperate with law enforcement authorities who are charged with enforcing the law"

"For the protection of its students and community, the university conducts an on-going program of mandatory random drug testing"

"Media or entertainment that is offensive to Liberty's standards and traditions (i.e., lewd lyrics, anti-Christian message, sexual content, nudity, pornography, etc.) is not permitted"

"While industry ratings systems for movies, games, and other media generally are not reliable standards, they can be helpful in identifying content. Movie content rated “X” and “NC-17” and video game content rated “A” are not permitted. • Caution should be used in viewing movie content rated “R” and “PG-13” and video game content rated “M”"

"12 Points (+ $50.00 Fine) • Deception • Minor violation of the Statement on Sexuality & Relationships (e.g. inappropriate personal contact; visiting alone with the opposite sex at an off-campus residence; entering the residence hallway, quad, or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex or allowing the same; visiting any dwelling or residence with a member of the opposite sex in inappropriate circumstances)"
"
"18 Points (+ $250 Fine & 18 Hours Disciplinary Community Service)
Intentional participation in a social gathering where alcohol is served (e.g. party, bar, or nightclub)
• Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior • Violation of the Entertainment Guidelines (may be considered a 12-18 point violation)
• Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress with member of opposite sex"

hoooo boy. Gems indeed. I'd have an awful lot of "points"...

 

[Lucca]

"Liberty"

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior

Oh ****. I'm ****ed.

 

[tessellations]

Does LUCOM have a chapel requirement like Loma Linda?

As someone who is single, secular, and drinks alcohol from time to time, I would probably be absolutely miserable at LUCOM or Loma Linda. Also no jeans or leggings and mandatory lectures!? I'm really not a fan of a school trying to control its students so much.

But I also recognize that it's totally in their right to do that and that they have their own niche. It's just important that students actually research their schools before applying and finding out that the school has an evolution problem

 

[libertyyne]

Does LUCOM have a chapel requirement like Loma Linda?

As someone who is single, secular, and drinks alcohol from time to time, I would probably be absolutely miserable at LUCOM or Loma Linda. Also no jeans or leggings and mandatory lectures!? I'm really not a fan of a school trying to control its students so much.

But I also recognize that it's totally in their right to do that and that they have their own niche. It's just important that students actually research their schools before applying and finding out that the school has an evolution problem

They call it convocation I believe. I am not against a private organisation practicing however they see fit as long as it is within the realm of the law. The only real beef I have with liberty is their teaching creationism as science. This draconian code of conduct does remind me that this group of fundamentalists share a worldview with Saudi Arabia.

 

[tessellations]

They call it convocation I believe. I am not against a private organisation practicing however they see fit as long as it is within the realm of the law. The only real beef I have with liberty is their teaching creationism as science. This draconian code of conduct does remind me that this group of fundamentalists share a worldview with Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, you're definitely right about creationism. It's wild that a medical school is allowed to teach their students that. I've heard people claim that you don't need evolution to be a physician, but that's BS. How do you explain things like antibiotic resistance without evolution?

 

[blackroses]

Let us not forget that up until this year, Loma Linda forbid any form of "homosexual behavior".

Changed policy or not, I cannot imagine that it's the friendliest environment for LGBT individuals.

 

[libertyyne]

Let us not forget that up until this year, Loma Linda forbid any form of "homosexual behavior".

Changed policy or not, I cannot imagine that it's the friendliest environment for LGBT individuals.

Liberty rejects not only behavior ,but also advocacy for lgbtq causes. They also reject premarital relations even amongst heterosexual couples. I am will to bet they don't even practice OMM on the opposite sex in labs.

 

[blackroses]

Liberty rejects not only behavior ,but also advocacy for lgbtq causes. They also reject premarital relations even amongst heterosexual couples. I am will to bet they don't even practice OMM on the opposite sex in labs.

I'm not arguing that one is better than the other, just pointing out that one is terrible!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Honestly though, it's 2 years. The other 2 are in clinicals. And then you're out of there. You couldn't put up with that **** for two years if that was your only acceptance?

 

[gyngyn]

Honestly though, it's 2 years. The other 2 are in clinicals. And then you're out of there. You couldn't put up with that **** for two years if that was your only acceptance?

I couldn't.

 

[SValley]

Honestly though, it's 2 years. The other 2 are in clinicals. And then you're out of there. You couldn't put up with that **** for two years if that was your only acceptance?

...it's gonna be a no from me dawg

 

[blackroses]

Honestly though, it's 2 years. The other 2 are in clinicals. And then you're out of there. You couldn't put up with that **** for two years if that was your only acceptance?

4 years. Even during clinicals, if word of your "misconduct" gets back to school administrators, you still face the consequences for it.

And no, I couldn't spend 4 years at a school unable to be in any sort of relationship because the school administrators don't like the gender of the person I'm in a relationship with. That is not something that you can compromise about.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I couldn't.

...it's gonna be a no from me dawg

4 years. Even during clinicals, if word of your "misconduct" gets back to school administrators, you still face the consequences for it.

And no, I couldn't spend 4 years at a school unable to be in any sort of relationship because the school administrators don't like the gender of the person I'm in a relationship with. That is not something that you can compromise about.

I've been in worse situations. I'd probably just suck it up. But I totally respect the decision not to.

 

[blackroses]

I've been in worse situations. I'd probably just suck it up. But I totally respect the decision not to.

It's easy to say that when it's something that would have no effect on you personally.

 

[Pagan FutureDoc]

I've been in worse situations. I'd probably just suck it up. But I totally respect the decision not to.

I'm bisexual, pagan, and a punk musician...
I might have been thought worse but I can't imagine willingly subjecting myself to worse.

 

[wolfofparkstreet]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.en...l-jr-and-why-is-he-reforming-higher-educatio/

We'll all have the worst med school soon once jerry gets done with reforming.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I'm bisexual, pagan, and a punk musician...
I might have been thought worse but I can't imagine willingly subjecting myself to worse.

Like I said, I respect anyone's personal decision to not go to medical school over going somewhere they hate. I just know that even if it sucked, I'd still do it. Everyone's different.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

It's easy to say that when it's something that would have no effect on you personally.

Because you know what personally effects me or what I've been through.

 

[blackroses]

Because you know what personally effects me or what I've been through.

You seem to have taken that as some sort of personal insult or dig. It wasn't, it was a statement of fact. Very few people have the ability to truly put themselves in these sorts of situations when they personally aren't affected by the circumstances, it's human nature to struggle with this. I strongly suspect that if I felt like putting in the effort to come up with a nice long list of all the things that people commonly find to be an important part of their life and/or identity, you would pick out a few things that you wouldn't be willing to "compromise" on - all things that would affect you personally.

 

[TehTeddy]

Yeah, you're definitely right about creationism. It's wild that a medical school is allowed to teach their students that. I've heard people claim that you don't need evolution to be a physician, but that's BS. How do you explain things like antibiotic resistance without evolution?

Based on speaking to strict creationists in the past: You could still believe in natural selection, without believing in evolution on a larger scale. For instance, a strict creationist might believe bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics via natural selection, or finches various types of beaks based on local food sources, but won't believe that all life originated from macromolecules (like self replicating RNAs) billions of years ago.

I use the term "strict creationist" because even among the religious, disbelief in evolution is a fringe view (at least to younger people, from my experience). It's mostly fundamentalists that hold the strict position.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

You seem to have taken that as some sort of personal insult or dig. It wasn't, it was a statement of fact. Very few people have the ability to truly put themselves in these sorts of situations when they personally aren't affected by the circumstances, it's human nature to struggle with this. I strongly suspect that if I felt like putting in the effort to come up with a nice long list of all the things that people commonly find to be an important part of their life and/or identity, you would pick out a few things that you wouldn't be willing to "compromise" on - all things that would affect you personally.

I didn't take it as an insult. I'm just reminding you that it's presumptuous to tell someone what they have or haven't been through.

 

[blackroses]

I didn't take it as an insult. I'm just reminding you that it's presumptuous to tell someone what they have or haven't been through.

I guess I don't consider it an assumption that you haven't spent 4+ years in a medical school that rejects and punishes anything they define as "homosexual behavior" as a gay individual when you're listed as a pre-med, but my apologies if that was presumptuous

 

[FCMike11]

I've been in worse situations. I'd probably just suck it up. But I totally respect the decision not to.

I mean, I have sacrificed a lot to get to this point. I didnt apply to LUCOM but I could absolutely do it for two years. I did interview (and accepted) at UIW and fit was a huge issue. Still would have attended if my only option.

Of course, I am somewhat used to keeping my business personal (rural-ish texas- secular snd very liberal regarding civil rights).

That's life. Still a better option than carribbean (still I didnt and wouldn't apply to LUCOM).



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[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I guess I don't consider it an assumption that you haven't spent 4+ years in a medical school that rejects and punishes anything they define as "homosexual behavior" as a gay individual when you're listed as a pre-med, but my apologies if that was presumptuous

Haha. I meant the assumption that I haven't been in something as crappy or worse. A super conservative med school would still be a vacation compared to some things.

 

[BombsAway]

Trump University Medical School and Casino Resort is gonna be YUGE!

Roll the dean his 5 point fire bet and you get your top choice residency?

 

[astrostellar]

These are a few gems.

"Code of Personal Conduct The College of Osteopathic Medicine Code of Conduct does not replace the University Code of Student Conduct rather supplements it for osteopathic medical students."

"Non-marital sexual relations and the encouragement or advocacy of sexual behaviors which undermine Christian identity or Liberty Universities faith mission are defined by the University as morally inappropriate misconduct and constitute violations of this Personal Code of Conduct."

"E. Pornography Involvement with pornographic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive materials, expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Personal Code of Conduct and the Christian World View of the College and University. Use of the University's computing network to obtain or distribute such materials constitutes a violation of the Code."


https://www.liberty.edu/media/1290/pdfs/LUCOM-Code of Conduct-Academic Standards-Computing-Social Media Policies-11212014.pdf

oooomg. not that I was planning on applying to LUCOM anyway... but I'd guess being divorced, not-remarried and having a child out of wedlock would immediately put a bad taste in their mouths, huh? (besides the fact that I'd consider going OB/GYN and working as an abortion provider. can't see that going over well either.)

 

[Lawpy]

Honestly though, it's 2 years. The other 2 are in clinicals. And then you're out of there. You couldn't put up with that **** for two years if that was your only acceptance?

I couldn't.

...it's gonna be a no from me dawg

4 years. Even during clinicals, if word of your "misconduct" gets back to school administrators, you still face the consequences for it.

And no, I couldn't spend 4 years at a school unable to be in any sort of relationship because the school administrators don't like the gender of the person I'm in a relationship with. That is not something that you can compromise about.

honestly, if my only acceptance were at a school like that, i'd be more than happy to switch careers and do something else.

 

[BombsAway]

@Matthew9Thirtyfive
Have some self-respect. You're better than Liberty. Its really not even worth considering them a viable option.

Additionally, stop leaning on your military service to win arguments on the internet. Its hard to watch.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

honestly, if my only acceptance were at a school like that, i'd be more than happy to switch careers and do something else.

Fair enough. It's good that you know yourself that well.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

@Matthew9Thirtyfive
Have some self-respect. You're better than Liberty. Its really not even worth considering them a viable option.

I actually don't think I'm going to apply to any DO schools. I still might, but I'm on the fence.

Additionally, stop leaning on your military service to win arguments on the internet. Its hard to watch.

Didn't realize this was an argument. I clearly said a couple times that I respect other's decisions and differing opinions. And I wasn't referring to my time in the military, actually. I joined at 28. The military has been a relatively small portion of my life chronologically, and I've enjoyed it for the most part so far.

 

[Lawpy]

Fair enough. It's good that you know yourself that well.

of course this is assuming i would have even applied there in the first place. this is why researching schools and preparing good school lists matter, so that such an unsettling situation can be reliably avoided.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

of course this is assuming i would have even applied there in the first place. this is why researching schools and preparing good school lists matter, so that such an unsettling situation can be reliably avoided.

Yeah, same. I'm not even going to apply there. But if I did and it was my only choice, I would definitely go. It would suck ass, but it's only 4 years and it's still med school.

And just for the record, no, I was not referring to my military service in this thread when I mentioned being in ****tier situations.

 

[BombsAway]

Yeah, same. I'm not even going to apply there. But if I did and it was my only choice, I would definitely go. It would suck ass, but it's only 4 years and it's still med school.

And just for the record, no, I was not referring to my military service in this thread when I mentioned being in ****tier situations.

Your photo comment with uniforms was the cause for confusion.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Your photo comment with uniforms was the cause for confusion.

Oh my bad. That was supposed to be a joke about having to wear annoying uniforms and follow an annoying dress code.

 

[Lawpy]

Yeah, same. I'm not even going to apply there. But if I did and it was my only choice, I would definitely go. It would suck ass, but it's only 4 years and it's still med school.

Yeah it depends on the individual. Even the worst schools like LUCOM are far superior to Caribbean schools simply because it's a US medical school. For me, i just feel if i'm stuck with a rotten option as my only acceptance, i would need to accept that perhaps the career wasn't meant for me and move onto something else.

 

[BombsAway]

Yeah it depends on the individual. Even the worst schools like LUCOM are far superior to Caribbean schools simply because it's a US medical school. For me, i just feel if i'm stuck with a rotten option as my only acceptance, i would need to accept that perhaps the career wasn't meant for me and move onto something else.

nah, just reapply after boosting your weakest link. Caribbean>LUCOM (if you have moral fibre).

 

[Jalby]

Does the med school have the same rules as their undergrad? Even LUCOM med doesn't hold the med students to the same code of conduct I don't think

LLU Does hold it's medical students to it's code of conduct. They also ask for a LOR from your pastor.

 

[wolfofparkstreet]

You seem to have taken that as some sort of personal insult or dig. It wasn't, it was a statement of fact. Very few people have the ability to truly put themselves in these sorts of situations when they personally aren't affected by the circumstances, it's human nature to struggle with this. I strongly suspect that if I felt like putting in the effort to come up with a nice long list of all the things that people commonly find to be an important part of their life and/or identity, you would pick out a few things that you wouldn't be willing to "compromise" on - all things that would affect you personally.

You've just described white privilege

 

[Lucca]

Avoiding a situation in which LUCOM must actually be considered as a choice to become a practicing physician is why you study on Thursday night instead of hitting the bars.

 

[MDProspect]

Trump University Medical School and Casino Resort is gonna be YUGE!

That is not such a bad idea after all. The students will have an opportunity to win back some of their tuition money in their spare time.

 

[libertyyne]

And I hear that they are opening an English language program in Russia as well!

I thought it was a Russian program in America!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I thought it was a Russian program in America!

That's been here since the 50s. It's a really underrated program.

 

[JoaoMoutinho]

That's been here since the 50s. It's a really underrated program.

It's trying to move past its early history though. I've heard a lot of people think twice about it after the whole Rosenberg fiasco. It seems like it's a lot safer nowadays.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

It's trying to move past its early history though. I've heard a lot of people think twice about it after the whole Rosenberg fiasco. It seems like it's a lot safer nowadays.

I think they require a programming course now though. I'm not adding another prereq.

 

[JoaoMoutinho]

I think they require a programming course now though. I'm not adding another prereq.

Yeah I don't blame you for that. You should call up their admissions office though and see if they'll waive it for you. I think that they'd be pretty interested in some of your background and ECs. I'm sure somebody with a work history like yours could add a lot to their program.