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Dr.J.D said:
The next few generations of Muslim Americans will be pretty religious and forthright citizens, with success in their fields and embodying enlightenment ideals, however what I worry is that religiosity may be lost. We were learning in AP gov the other day, that the US is much much more religious than any of the European countries, and I think we are better because of it ( whether the symbolism of religion or even active practicing) because the US is liberal compared to the other "Western" countries, yet hold on to certain beliefs which kind of hold it together. Another one of these values is diversity. Myy point is that I hope the US stays religious in the way it is.
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‘Extremism & violence’: Iran joins Pakistan in blasting Norway for Koran burning stunt under the pretext ‘freedom of expression’

Tehran has summoned its Norwegian envoy to voice “strong protest” over the burning of a Koran at an anti-Muslim rally in Norway, joining Pakistan in condemning what it deemed an incitement of hatred and division.
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Smh.. dont even give me the bs- "its there freedom to do whatever they want". OFC your allowed to do many things, but it doesnt mean that its the right thing. Some people dont want solutions. They want to cause trouble by doing stupid stuff that will just create more animosity and violence. They teach you why this is bad and will never resolve anything, in pre k
 
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Hamhock,
I'm skeptical that the hundreds of the Muslim academics and scientists in the world who also happened to be islamic scholars in their right, because of Al-Ghazali, abandoned mathematics because they believed his assertion that it was from the devil. al Ghazali only represents one sect of the dozens of sects of Islam. Neil Degrasse also fails to explain how Islam destroyed its own golden age. Islam is a religion, not a group of people. The principles of Islam did not do anything to stunt the discoveries of muslim scientists. With the collapse of the Abbasid Empire, the golden age ended and did not recover.
 
Nah I actually meant it when I said ur my bud.:cyclops:
Im not toxic i say what i mean
 
i hate passive aggresive people, they're worse than outright rude people. fricking insane. moving out as soon as i can.
 
Dr.J.D said:
its all about the moola. 10 billionaires could fix many of the problems in these war ravaged countries.
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That has got to be top 5 for most ridiculous things written in this entire thread.

The Arab states are some of the wealthiest on the planet. If money could fix them, they'd have been fixed by now. Why aren't any Saudi or Qatari or UAE-i billionaires or governments fixing problems? Maybe the Saudis are too busy murdering journalists in Turkey and killing the wrong kind of Muslims in Yemen, and Qatar and the UAE are too busy fighting a proxy war in Libya.
 
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so why are certain groups more fit than others? *whisper* which happen to be white and for centuries believed their skin gave them superioity and acted on that basis to hurt others
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Western secular democracy IS superior to theocratic totalitarianism. You know it, we all know it. It's OK to say it.
 
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pgg said:
That has got to be top 5 for most ridiculous things written in this entire thread.

The Arab states are some of the wealthiest on the planet. If money could fix them, they'd have been fixed by now. Why aren't any Saudi or Qatari or UAE-i billionaires or governments fixing problems? Maybe the Saudis are too busy murdering journalists in Turkey and killing the wrong kind of Muslims in Yemen, and Qatar and the UAE are too busy fighting a proxy war in Libya.
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money with right intentions. The saudis are corrupt and want to dominate. Not fix problems. They are hypocrites who prescribe a strict interpretation of Islam but in private do every sin in the book.
 
pgg said:
Western secular democracy IS superior to theocratic totalitarianism. You know it, we all know it. It's OK to say it.
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okayy....? When did I disagree.

All i I said was the circumstances which have allowed the west to flourish have often meant leaving everyone else behind. Isnt a coincidence that Africa, and much of Asia has been exploited to make the West rich, and look at those countries now
 
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dr doze said:
That's what they used to be. We are now everything that they once were. Our technology, Science, Engineering and Culture lead the world. We do it by doing almost everything their religion says is wrong. We've deeply sinned yet we've won. They can't save face. It is not even that we win, but the their score is virtually zero.

Muslims are no less brilliant than anyone else. But they are incapable of making world class contributions in Islamic societies. Those countries need to own it instead of blaming the West and Israel for thier utter complete failures.
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One of the things that fuels rage and inspires people (all people) to lash out is public humiliation. Whether it's a misfit white boy in a suburban upper-middle-class American high school who's been bullied his entire life, or a citizen of Country X who has spent his entire life staring at his culture's failure to achieve the prosperity and security other cultures have, it's the same. Honest introspection and change is harder than blaming others, especially when others actually do bear some fault. Humiliation and shame are large obstacles to change. Then they're told it's not at all their fault, that it's external injustice keeping a great person/people down.

Nazi Germany rose from the ashes of WWI because Hitler could exploit the German peoples' humiliation and sense of injustice.

How humiliating must it be to hop on social media every day and see wealth and peaceful prosperity on display in virtually every non-majority-Muslim country on the planet?

I mean, it must be rough being a Cincinnati Bengals fan these days, but imagine if that 0-11 record was your tribe's, your nation's, your culture's.

The OPEC countries have the resources, technology, and people to be world leaders in all of those things. Their culture - and it's crazy to deny that Islam is absolutely central to their culture - won't let them.
 
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okayy....? When did I disagree.

All i I said was the circumstances which have allowed the west to flourish have often meant leaving everyone else behind. Isnt a coincidence that Africa, and much of Asia has been exploited to make the West rich, and look at those countries now
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Africa and southeast Asia are grindingly poor, and economic failure and desperation explain much of the violence and misery there. And of course you can blame a lot of Africa's problems on centuries of foreign slave trade, colonialism, and racism. But again, the middle east has been awash in fabulous oil wealth for the better part of a century, and somehow those are violent miserable places too. Maybe there's some other common thread contributing to their problems.

There are Muslim societies in the world that can legitimately claim victimhood at the hands of non-Muslims. As I've mentioned before in this thread, the worst thing happening to any Muslim community on the planet right now is what China is doing to the Uyghurs. That's an actual ongoing holocaust and genocide, being documented in slow motion by satellite pictures, smuggled photos, and leaked Chinese memos. Unforgivable and intolerable, but somehow the woke are more worried about how the west is responsible for Saudis Muslims killing Yemeni Muslims, Turkish Muslims killing Kurdish Muslims, or the Qatar/UAE Muslims fighting proxy war using other Muslims in Libya.
 
Dr.J.D said:
fallacy after fallacy. Whos we? like really. Keep pushing the we vs them mentality like its some type of competition. Muslims HAVE made world class contributions while being deeply devoted to Islam. And yea you can blame the West for alot of turbulence in the middle east, africa, etc.
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So did the ancient Greeks, and Romans. We can acknowledge and honor their contributions, but their civilizations collapsed and are gone. Today's Greece and Italy have no connection to those societies and cultures, beyond some kind of neat archaeological sites.

The same thing happened to the old Muslim civilization that invented the Arabic numerals on your keyboard. Today's Muslim-majority nations have about as much connection to that world as modern Peruvians do to the Incas' incredible stone masonry in Macchu Picchu.
 
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pgg said:
The OPEC countries have the resources, technology, and people to be world leaders in all of those things. Their culture - and it's crazy to deny that Islam is absolutely central to their culture - won't let them.
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I absolutely acknowledge this and it's why I want the US to be a paragon of economics, science, and culture from which all cultures can learn, and I do say that continuing to mock or ridicule them, or paint 2 billion people as ignorant backwoods savages does nothing to further this goal. It's also why I want our country to be easily accessible through lawful means to those who realize this and want to leave their country to join the party here. At this point, I'm honestly embarrassed that people like our good friend Dr. Amir can see here some of the blanket characterizations and the vitriol with which some have written about those of his faith.
 
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vector2 said:
I absolutely acknowledge this and it's why I want the US to be a paragon of economics, science, and culture from which all cultures can learn, and I do say that continuing to mock or ridicule them, or paint 2 billion people as ignorant backwoods savages does nothing to further this goal. It's also why I want our country to be easily accessible through lawful means to those who realize this and want to leave their country to join the party here. At this point, I'm honestly embarrassed that people like our good friend Dr. Amir can see here some of the blanket characterizations and the vitriol with which some have written about those of his faith.
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If you want an Islamic society, don’t complain when you get an Islamic education system and Islamic economy and social discord because of those choices. If that meets your definition of “vitriol and blanket characterization”, well sorry.


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dr doze said:
If you want an Islamic society, don’t complain when you get an Islamic education system and Islamic economy and social discord because of those choices. If that meets your definition of “vitriol and blanket characterization”, well sorry.


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It's like the National Socialists in California, they should be happy destroying their own state with high taxes, lawlessness, and over regulation. The crazy thing is, those same National Socialists who enjoyed destroying California are now leaving and going to Texas, Idaho, Montana, Colorado to destroy those states too.
 
Mikkel said:
It's like the National Socialists in California, they should be happy destroying their own state with high taxes, lawlessness, and over regulation. The crazy thing is, those same National Socialists who enjoyed destroying California are now leaving and going to Texas, Idaho, Montana, Colorado to destroy those states too.
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Oh yeah California is such a sh*thole state. It’s one of only 2 states where the death rate for middle aged adults declined. It’s far from destroyed. Sadly I can’t say the same for some other states.

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It’s Not Just Poor White People Driving a Decline in Life Expectancy (Published 2019)

A new study shows that death rates increased for middle-aged people of all racial and ethnic groups.
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paint 2 billion people as ignorant backwoods savages does nothing to further this goal. It's also why I want our country to be easily accessible through lawful means to those who realize this and want to leave their country to join the party here.
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Two thoughts:

1. It is of course wrong to demean or ridicule people; not to mention how counter productive it is. However, it is not wrong -- in fact it is often necessary -- to demean and ridicule ideas (including many of those found within Islam). The best of us can ridicule the idea (eg Islam) without making the person (eg a Muslim) feel attacked...it is then that progress is made and both people benefit from a better community.

2. Sure, the US must start to accept more and more endangered and persecuted peoples, often from countries that are both Islamic and recently disrupted by short-sighted US foreign policy. However, screening immigrants for problematic beliefs*** that can destabilize our prosperity (even our peace!) is a perfectly just "security check" at the door to "the party here".

***some of these problematic beliefs are commonly found in the Islamic world and are directly contradictory to American ideals and rights, such as:
--women and men have the same rights
-- the US constitution is the ultimate federal law in the US, not the law of a mythical deity as expressed in ancient books
-- freedom of speech (including blasphemy) is a right and must be tolerated if not celebrated
-- freedom of religion (including leaving a religion for another or none) is a foundational right

HH
 
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Most of the people in muslim countries are not at fault. They are now in an endless cycle. We are lucky to be born here. If we were born there, we wouldnt make much progress. The few people that have power and the ability to make change dont ( monarchs, and arab elites ). And to top it all off we have Trump sword dancing with human rights violators.
 
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Right. I was there 2 weekends ago for a trail half with my college friend. Didn’t see any ****. All I saw was.....
 

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pgg said:
One of the things that fuels rage and inspires people (all people) to lash out is public humiliation. Whether it's a misfit white boy in a suburban upper-middle-class American high school who's been bullied his entire life, or a citizen of Country X who has spent his entire life staring at his culture's failure to achieve the prosperity and security other cultures have, it's the same. Honest introspection and change is harder than blaming others, especially when others actually do bear some fault. Humiliation and shame are large obstacles to change. Then they're told it's not at all their fault, that it's external injustice keeping a great person/people down.

Nazi Germany rose from the ashes of WWI because Hitler could exploit the German peoples' humiliation and sense of injustice.

How humiliating must it be to hop on social media every day and see wealth and peaceful prosperity on display in virtually every non-majority-Muslim country on the planet?

I mean, it must be rough being a Cincinnati Bengals fan these days, but imagine if that 0-11 record was your tribe's, your nation's, your culture's.

The OPEC countries have the resources, technology, and people to be world leaders in all of those things. Their culture - and it's crazy to deny that Islam is absolutely central to their culture - won't let them.
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I dont its Islam that is stopping them. Its extreme versions of it, but to be fairly honest the Saudis wouldnt be amazing altruistic, zealous to be pioneers in science, if Islam wasnt a part of their culture. A holes will be A holes. The greed of the leaders of Muslim countries is what stops progress. They dont open up the Quran and be like YAY we can live lavish lifestyles at the expense of the others ( there was literally a report that a Saudi prince bought a 450 million dollar painting)- allthewhile their actions causing so many to starve and die.
 
pgg said:
Well, that explains a lot. :)

I admire your enthusiasm, and the mere fact that you even care about these things as a high school student.
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Yeah pgg did a much better job than I would have with that
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Damn I got roasted :laugh: U guys gotta admit I did make atleast a couple good arguments.

U might not agree, but my perspective of having a different religion, different skintone, different culture/household upbringing in the US of A, causes me to think differently and more sympathetically due to the fact I've been an outsider. Dont get me wrong I love America and all of its ideals alot, but I have an identity which runs concurrent to it. I hope in the near future there comes better Muslim rulers, Muslims will become more tolerant, more accepted, and more productive in all walks of life. They cant do it alone though. Heck take any big name scientist, and make their birthplace Aleppo Syria, and they no longer become big name scientists. These kids are not at fault. It is the fault of the leaders who buy 450 million dollar painting from the money they got from being born into a monarchy, and it is the fault of western leaders who enable them.
 
Lot of hate towards Muslims, and brown and black people out there
 
Dr.J.D said:
dumbest thing you've said.
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Why don't you come back in 10 years or so, Greta? You're a bit too underage for this forum.

And stop reading/watching whatever is brainwashing you into these radical thoughts. Nobody intelligent cares about whatever the heck you are, just what you have between your ears.
 
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FFP said:
Why don't you come back in 10 years or so, Greta? You're a bit too underage for this forum.

And stop reading/watching whatever is brainwashing you into these radical thoughts. Nobody intelligent cares about whatever the heck you are, just what you have between your ears.
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Because my ideas are sooo radical right? I'd rather be young and hopeful, than be a 30 year medical professional whos questioning climate change (happened in this very thread). Most of my points are yet to be disproven. I havent gotten nasty as of yet, so don't let your inability to provide good arguments turn this into maliciousness. Funny how you got so defensive when poor little Israel gets mentioned. sooo radical
 
Dr.J.D said:
Because my ideas are sooo radical right? I'd rather be young and hopeful, than be a 30 year medical professional whos questioning climate change (happened in this very thread). Most of my points are yet to be disproven. I havent gotten nasty as of yet, so don't let your inability to provide good arguments turn this into maliciousness. Funny how you got so defensive when poor little Israel gets mentioned. sooo radical
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This was not about Israel (do stop seeing the world through your very narrow religious telescope). This was about a spoiled teenager telling a highly-educated adult about the "dumbest thing s/he's said". And, by the way, what s/he said was an excellent irony; funny (given who s/he was saying it to) if it weren't true (and sad).

You seem not to appreciate being able to have a discussion with people who are WAAAAY more educated and experienced than you. Like Greta. So you should go spend your time with people your age, and come back only when your fontanelle has closed.

I say this with a lot of sympathy (and annoyance).
 
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Speaking of brainwash:
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Knife attacker shot on London Bridge was known to police

Usman Khan, 28, was jailed in 2012 for terrorism offences for his part in an al Qaeda-inspired terror group that plotted to bomb the London Stock Exchange and kill Boris Johnson.
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"London Bridge killer was 'an Islamic extremist wearing an ELECTRONIC TAG after being released from jail a year ago"
 
FFP said:
This was not about Israel (do stop seeing the world through your very narrow religious telescope). This was about a spoiled teenager telling a highly-educated adult about the "dumbest thing s/he's said". And, by the way, what s/he said was an excellent irony; funny (given who s/he was saying it to) if it weren't true (and sad).

You seem not to appreciate being able to have a discussion with people who are WAAAAY more educated and experienced than you. Like Greta. So you should go spend your time with people your age, and come back only when your fontanelle has closed.

I say this with a lot of sympathy (and annoyance).
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Real mature
 
And you don't know the darndest thing about me so think again before calling me spoiled. :D
 
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If only people realized religion is nonsense, there’d be so much less hate in the world...
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White supremacists dont do what they do solely and/or at all bc of religious purposes...
 
FFP said:
Why don't you come back in 10 years or so, Greta? You're a bit too underage for this forum.

And stop reading/watching whatever is brainwashing you into these radical thoughts. Nobody intelligent cares about whatever the heck you are, just what you have between your ears.
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Well unfortunately those in charge aren't always intelligent...the president of this country as a prime example haha.
So there certainly are people who care "what you are" in the grand scheme of life and that can shape your trajectory unfortunately (or fortunately for some people...again the president of this country as a prime example).
 
Dr.J.D said:
White supremacists dont do what they do solely and/or at all bc of religious purposes...
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Yeah it won’t eliminate hate entirely, but whoever convinces the religious of the error of their ways will probably win the Nobel Peace Prize with a unanimous vote.
 
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