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PCOM by specialty:
A list of just specialties is pretty much pointless.
PCOM by specialty:
PCOM by specialty:
Anesthesiology-18
Emergency medicine- 19 Emed/Family med-2 Emed/Imed- 1
Family Med- 44
Internal Med- 60
Med/Peds- 4
Neurology - 2
OB/GYN - 13
Opthalmology- 1
Orthopedic Surgery - 8
Pathology - 2
Pediatrics - 16
PMR - 13
Psychiatry - 11
Radiology -5
Surgery -9
Urology - 4
TY/TRI/Prelim/Research/DNP- ~15
Military- 14, specialities not listed in the email we received
I could probably name most of the sites off the top of my head for the competitive specialties if anyone wanted.
Having a solid affiliated hospital with a ton of surgical specialty residency spots definitely helps their match list.
OU-HCOM c/o 2015 ~75% self-reported
Anesthesiology
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Ohio State University ACGME Columbus, OH
South Pointe Hospital AOA Cleveland, OH
Emergency Medicine
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Mercy St. Vincent Medical Center ACGME Toledo, OH
MetroHealth ACGME Cleveland, OH
MetroHealth/Cleveland Clinic ACGME Cleveland, OH
Orlando Health ACGME Orlando, FL
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
Mercy St. Vincent Medical Center ACGME Toledo, OH
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Wright State University ACGME Dayton, OH
St. Joseph's Hospital AOA Warren, OH
Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital AOA Wyandotte, MI
St. Elizabeth Boardman Hospital AOA Youngstown, OH
St. Joseph's Hospital AOA Warren, OH
Emergency Medicine/Internal Medicine (Combined EM/IM)
LSU ACGME New Orleans, Louisiana
Family Medicine
Bethesda Hospital ACGME Cincinnati, OH
ProMedica Toledo Hospital Dual Toledo, OH
Tripler Army Medical Center ACGME Honolulu, HI
Good Samaritan Medical Center AOA Corvallis, OR
New Hanover Regional Medical Center Dual Wilmington, NC
Carilion Clinic Dual Roanoke, VA
Summa Akron City Hospital Dual Akron, OH
The Ohio State University ACGME Columbus, OH
Firelands Regional Medical Center AOA Sandusky, OH
St. Joseph's ACGME College Station, Texas
UPMC St Margarets Dual Pittsburgh, PA
Mount Carmel St. Annes ACGME Columbus, OH
Bethesda Hospital ACGME Cincinnati, OH
Summa Akron City Hospital ACGME Akron, OH
Duke's Southern Regional Hospital Dual Fayetville, NC
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
Cahaba Medical Care Dual Centreville, AL
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Western Reserve Hospital AOA Cuyahoga Falls, OH
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Riverside Regional Medical Center Dual Newport News, VA
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Summa Akron City Hospital Dual Akron, OH
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
General Surgery
Summa Western Reserve Hospital AOA Cuyahoga Falls, OH
Southe Pointe Hospital AOA Cleveland, OH
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Affinity Medical Center AOA Massilon, OH
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
Internal Medicine
Wright State University ACGME Dayton, OH
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Mt. Carmel ACGME Columbus, OH
Aventura Hospital and Medical Center ACGME Miami, FL
South Pointe Hospital Dual Cleveland, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Tripler Army Medical Center Army Honolulu, HI
MetroHealth ACGME Cleveland, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Wright State University ACGME Dayton, OH
Fairfield Medical Center AOA Lancaster, OH
Fairfield Medical Center AOA Lancaster, OH
MetroHealth ACGME Cleveland, OH
Parma UH AOA Cleveland, OH
Southampton Hospital NY AOA Southampton, NY
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Greenville Health System, University of South Carolina ACGME Greenville, SC
University of Louisville ACGME Louisville, KY
Wright State University ACGME Dayton, OH
Southeastern Health AOA Lumberton, NC
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Kettering Hospital ACGME Dayton, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth Dual Portsmouth, VA
Ohio State University ACGME Columbus, OH
Neurosurgery
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
OB/GYN
Riverside Methodist Hospital ACGME Columbus, OH
Summa Akron City ACGME Akron, OH
Ophthalmology
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Orthopedic Surgery
Summa Western Reserve Hospital AOA Cuyahoga Falls, OH
Affinity Medical Center AOA Massilon, OH
Affinity Medical Center AOA Massilon, OH
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
Pediatrics
Palm's West Children's Hospital AOA West Palm Beach, FL
University of Toledo ACGME Toledo, OH
Akron Children's Hospital ACGME Akron, OH
Akron Children's Hospital ACGME Akron, OH
Akron Children's Hospital ACGME Akron, OH
Kansas University ACGME Lawrence, KS
Dayton Children's (Wright State) ACGME Dayton, OH
Nationwide Children's Hospital/Doctor's Hospital Dual Columbus, OH
Akron Children's Hospital ACGME Akron, OH
Akron Children's Hospital ACGME Akron, OH
PM&R (Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation)
University of Michigan ACGME Ann Arbor, MI
University Hospitals AOA Cleveland, OH
University of Michigan ACGME Ann Arbor, MI
Psychiatry
Ohio State University ACGME Columbus, OH
Grandview Medical Center AOA Dayton, OH
NEOMED (Northeast Ohio Medical University) ACGME Rootstown, OH
Vanderbilt University ACGME Nashville, TN
Ohio State University ACGME Columbus, OH
Wright State University ACGME Dayton, OH
MSUCOM Detroit Wayne County Health Authority (DWCHA) AOA Detroit, MI
Radiology (Diagnostic)
University of Cincinnati Medical Center ACGME Cincinnati, OH
Cleveland Clinic ACGME Cleveland, OH
MetroHealth Medical Center ACGME Cleveland, OH
University of Florida - COM Jacksonville ACGME Jacksonville, FL
Doctor's Hospital AOA Columbus, OH
Traditional Rotating Internship/TY (Transitional Year)/Preliminary Medicine/Preliminary Surg - Followed by specialty if provided
Firelands Regional Medical Center (Traditional Rotating Internship) AOA Sandusky, OH
Danville Regional Medical Center (Traditional Rotating Internship) AOA Danville, VA
The Jewish Hospital (Preliminary Medicine - Radiology) ACGME Cincinnati, OH
Botsford Hospital (Traditional Rotating Internship - Dermatology) AOA Farmington Hills, MI
Ohio Health/O'Bleness Memorial Hospital (Traditional Rotating Internship - Dermatology) AOA Athens, OH
Summa Western Reserve Hospital (TY - Radiology) ACGME Cuyahoga Falls, OH
St. Vincent Charity Medical Center (Preliminary Medicine - Radiology, Diagnostic) ACGME Cleveland, OH
Manatee Memorial Hospital (Traditional Rotating Internship - Radiology, Diagnostic) ACGME Bradenton, FL
Adena Regional Medical Center (Traditional Rotating Internship) AOA Chillicothe, OH
Summa Health System (TRI/Prelim Medicine - PM&R) ACGME Akron, OH
Firelands Regional Medical Center (Traditional Rotating Internship - Research Fellowship) AOA Sandusky, OH
University Hospitals Richmond Heights (Traditional Rotating Internship) Cleveland, OH
All those Ohio matches, OU does a really good job at keeping people instate. Or selecting students that want to stay in OH I should say.
Only if you're OOS, and it's 90% IS.From what i remember from applying a few years ago, you had to sign a document saying that you would practice medicine in Ohio for a certain number of years of you do go there.
From what i remember from applying a few years ago, you had to sign a document saying that you would practice medicine in Ohio for a certain number of years of you do go there.
Having a solid affiliated hospital with a ton of surgical specialty residency spots definitely helps their match list.
We also have the AOA match results but there are names on the document as well as indication if that person didn't match, so I will not post it for privacy reasons.
I know for a fact there is a PCOM bias when selecting candidates for surgical residencies.
I can only speak for myself and co-interns, none of us are from PCOM in our surgical subspecialty...
I can only speak for myself and co-interns, none of us are from PCOM in our surgical subspecialty...
PCOM by specialty:
Anesthesiology-18
Emergency medicine- 19 Emed/Family med-2 Emed/Imed- 1
Family Med- 44
Internal Med- 60
Med/Peds- 4
Neurology - 2
OB/GYN - 13
Opthalmology- 1
Orthopedic Surgery - 8
Pathology - 2
Pediatrics - 16
PMR - 13
Psychiatry - 11
Radiology -5
Surgery -9
Urology - 4
TY/TRI/Prelim/Research/DNP- ~15
Military- 14, specialities not listed in the email we received
I could probably name most of the sites off the top of my head for the competitive specialties if anyone wanted.
"BUT I'M SCARED I CAN'T DO SURGERY AS A D.O.!!!!"
22 surgery matches in that class alone, not including military or the transitional years, with 13 going into competitive subspecialties.
You were absolutely correct that most of our surgical matches were AOA, but realistically they have to be. Someone with 250+ step scores and majority honors grades simply won't get some ACGME interviews just because they're coming from a DO school, it's an unfair situation but it's reality. That being said, out of 30+ DO schools, we accounted for 20% of all AOA Urology matches and 7.2% of all AOA ortho matches. That's something to be proud about.
Just wanted to say that I have no problem with a program having a regional or program bias. It makes sense to take people who are most likely to train in their area when finished. If every program did this then it might help the whole shortage problem a lot of cities have.
The other thing is that after going through the match process and knowing lots of people who did, any DO who wants neurosurg, urology, ortho, ENT, derm, or plastics needs to seriously consider AOA (and then former AOA) programs first no matter what their stats are...you may think you are a 260+ stud but ACGME does not care as long as you have the DO instead of MD. There are always RARE exceptions but for every 1 that gets an amazing match there are probably 5 or more that go home with nothing. Better to be in an AOA program than none at all.
Those stats are very misleading, almost no one with a step score that low is advised or supported in applying rad onc. The five who did and made it probably all had outstanding research and connections, and that is why they went and applied in the first place. The average rad onc match has 10+ pubs/poster/abstracts. Another way to look at it is the average MD student with a sub 210 has almost no chance at matching rad onc (bottom of the class/little to no research/no rad onc connections).I think the biggest difference with MD vs DO student opportunities is for those with marginal board scores. An MD student with a 205 Step 1 seems to have a solid chance at almost anything besides surgical specialties or derm. A DO student with this score would probably have a rough time matching into say, ACGME EM, Anes, Rads, or Rad Onc while these appear to be pretty attainable for an MD (source: charting outcomes 2014). I would imagine this is also accurate for university IM programs.
FWIW: 5/5 USMD students with 201-210 Step 1 matched Rad Onc in 2014.
This guy nailed it. From my experience, MD applications are usually > DO apps. That's just the way it is. It really isn't a DO thing as much as it is the applications. This is why I always stress DO students to do research and rotate at academic centers and get great LORs from them. A lot of my classmates think you can just go through the motions and you will get a spot in your specialty of choice. Residency is not a privilege. You have to earn itAs someone who matched ACGME one the surgical subspecialties you mentioned in your post and had plenty of interviews, I can say that what you are saying isn't completely true in my experience. This is a myth perpetuated on sdn, and I don't know why. I was an average applicant for my specialty (I did not have 250+ Steps, class rank doesn't matter at all but I was in the middle, etc) and saw little bias. I truly believe I would have recieved the same number of interviews at the same type of places had I gone to my local MD school. These residencies are obtainable in the ACGME world as a DO provided that you are at least an average applicant for that specialty. That means having meaningful research, great letters from academic faculty, and solid board scores. Many of my classmates lacked these things. I am of the opinion that the average DO students application are just not as good as the average MDs.
I'm not saying that there isn't some bias (there is although it's diminishing), but it isn't as much as SDN wants you to believe.
I will also admit that certain fields have more bias than others, for example general surgery is one of the most biased against DOs for whatever reason, more so then many of those surgical subspecialties you listed (which are more competitive than general surgery to begin with... weird)
And let me add that isn't just a myth on sdn. This is based on true experience. Ask any uro, ent or ortho applicant and they'll let you know how biased the system is. I also matched into a surgical subspeciality and there's a Google doc that people volunteer their information to- boards, # of pubs, AOA, number of places they applied to and number of interview they received. Let me tell you that my boards were above the national average for that specialty and I had more pubs than the average applicant and I only got 3 MD interviews. MD candidates with similar stats as me got 5 times as many and applied to half of the number of places I did. Your experience as a good optho applicant does not translate to uro, ortho or ent.
Will anybody really care if a program was "formerly AOA". I mean starting in July AOA programs can apply for pre-accreditation, the ones that meet ACGME standards will survive and the ones that don't will perish. As long as that program is ACGME accredited, than it provides adequate training to make a competent physician. I know PCOM's surgical residencies already exceed ACGME standards.
"Formerly AOA" is meaningless if they are ACGME accredited. You're going to the program for the ability to sit for the ABMS boards. If you are successful on them, its equivalent to finishing at any ACGME program. Now whether the program will train you well enough to have a successful pass rate on a board they haven't been teaching to, that's a different issue, but as long as you individually are successful, that's what matters.
Don't take this to mean that all ACGME programs are the same. There are huge differences in the quality of ACGME programs, and in turn in the opportunities they provide for their graduates. Good university programs mean a good amount of resident research with established faculty in the field, which translates to plenty of publishing, connections & LORs, and good fellowship opportunities. Most current AOA programs are in community hospitals, with at best some affiliation with a university (excluding the handful of public DO school).
So in other words, going to an ACGME community or a "formerly AOA" (i.e. currently ACGME accredited) community program will be equivalent. Its just like going to a new ACGME program, but I imagine some of the more established/better AOA programs will have a better rep.
Excellent post.
I will just add that it seems there is some question as to whether residents who are in a given program when it transitions to ACGME accreditation will be able to sit for the ABMS boards. As far as I know- and I might not be correct- a program being on pre-accreditation status will not qualify it's residents for the ABMS boards. Also, I believe only residents who complete a certain portion of the residency post-full ACGME accreditation will be eligible for the ABMS boards. How much time this is, will likely be specialty-dependent.
You must be optho, which is the most DO friendly of the surgical subspecialities.
Others are much, much worse and I know this for a fact. Congrats on your match but your experience is certainly not the standard of the norm.
But if that was true wouldnt it be true for uro as well?Is Ophtho really DO friendly or do we see more DOs matching it because the match occurs before the AOA match, which means that unmatched DOs can always use the AOA match as a back up?
You have several friends that matched ACGME uro? Unless you know like every DO student in the country from multiple schools or you go to TCOM, I doubt this is the case. This year, last year, and the year before that two DO's each matched ACGME uro. This year it was a girl from LECOM-B and a guy from WVSOM. Last year it was a girl from TCOM and a guy from PCOM. The year before that two DO's matched ACGME uro and they actually both from TCOM. So I understand how your perspective may be skewed but trust me, you have no idea what you're talking about outside of optho.
Also if you are a optho candidate from TCOM, isn't sort of concerning how I predicted that based on your bold generalizations on the match process for surgical subspecialites? Please please please confirm if you are though.
You must have not cold called enough placed for interviews and heard "Sorry, we don't consider DO candidates" or heard on your interviews, "We don't take/interview DO's here, we're only doing this because Dr. X called on your behalf."
You have several friends that matched ACGME uro? Unless you know like every DO student in the country from multiple schools or you go to TCOM, I doubt this is the case. This year, last year, and the year before that two DO's each matched ACGME uro. This year it was a girl from LECOM-B and a guy from WVSOM. Last year it was a girl from TCOM and a guy from PCOM. The year before that two DO's matched ACGME uro and they actually both from TCOM. So I understand how your perspective may be skewed but trust me, you have no idea what you're talking about outside of optho.
Also if you are a optho candidate from TCOM, isn't sort of concerning how I predicted that based on your bold generalizations on the match process for surgical subspecialites? Please please please confirm if you are though.
No actual list was posted with which you can make any sort of judgement. The information posted is completely worthless.What is terrible about that list?
No actual list was posted with which you can make any sort of judgement. The information posted is completely worthless.
VCOM - VC has theirs hanging up in the hallway. Officially will be in the useless yearbook they give out at the end of the year. As for VCOM-CC, I'm sure somebody knows but it would take somebody manually typing it on hereI'm curious about the VCOM-CC list. Anyone heard anything?
There is probably a bias favoring PCOM in general. Its PCOMI know for a fact there is a PCOM bias when selecting candidates for surgical residencies.
Did most get their top choices? Or do you know?VCOM - VC has theirs hanging up in the hallway. Officially will be in the useless yearbook they give out at the end of the year. As for VCOM-CC, I'm sure somebody knows but it would take somebody manually typing it on here
As for VCOM - VC, a few that popped out when I glanced were 3 Orthopedic Surgeries, 1 Neurosurgery (all AOA) and a Urological Surgery (ACGME I believe). Some great Neurology Residencies in the VCOM match this year for VC campus, kinda interesting.
300 posts and no one leaked Tourocom? I used to kick off this match list bachanal with that info every year. Things have changed since I graduated haha.
You're best bet to get CCOM's match list is through current students. I have never been able to find CCOM's match list on their website and or associated weblinks. If it wasn't for friends there, and SDN, I would have 0 clue as to where anyone has matched from there in the past few years (outside of seeing grads in certain res. programs while surfing the web of course)...Heard from a source there was a Cook County and Advocate Christ EM match from
CCOM
Edit: I wish DO schools were more timely with the release of these match lists. This is so annoying.
You're best bet to get CCOM's match list is through current students. I have never been able to find CCOM's match list on their website and or associated weblinks. If it wasn't for friends there, and SDN, I would have 0 clue as to where anyone has matched from there in the past few years (outside of seeing grads in certain res. programs while surfing the web of course)...
Could you just tell us of some places where students matched?... I know someone who matched IM in Arzona and another in EM at the university of Florida.. Both ACGME Programs.Once you start school at AZCOM, you will find out where people matched. The google map has personal information on it, that's why we do not distribute it out to the public.
Seriously i think someone had some crazy connections there. D's are specifically forbidden from rotating there, or at any of the community affiliates in SLC.