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[deepstate2016]

Wherever you can get more bang for your buck is where manufacturing, or for that matter any job goes. Jobs are leaving china back to the US due to labor costs, or moving to Bangladesh. We manufacture huge amounts of products. We just do it with fewer and fewer people automation you know.
You cannot turn back the clock. If you are so concerned about these millions of families why not expand public education into industrial certification? Or other post high school degrees in community colleges. Support quality child care allowing others to work. Invest in these citizens you claim toe concerned about.

These suggestions will work and have a proven track record, they are not all balls like build the wall, or "I'll make the Chinese knuckle under", but hey it is not the answer you want. Just the sound and the fury.....which signify nothing.

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[deleted171991]

Yes, but an educated voter is an informed voter (with exceptions, as we can see on this forum). And that's the last thing populists (and many politicians) want. Because politics of fear don't work on a well-rounded education. Our public high schools should be prep school level, and college should not be kindergarten for adults. We should study more about the world, and less about us, more about science and less about the sacred books. Admission should be based on merit only, not genes etc. That's how you face the 21st century; just look at Korea.

But education is never popular among uneducated people. Too much reading causes dyslexia, ADHD and other American millenial diseases.

And then we act surprised when regular dumb Joe becomes unemployed...

 

[Ignatius J]

Wherever you can get more bang for your buck is where manufacturing, or for that matter any job goes. Jobs are leaving china back to the US due to labor costs, or moving to Bangladesh. We manufacture huge amounts of products. We just do it with fewer and fewer people automation you know.
You cannot turn back the clock. If you are so concerned about these millions of families why not expand public education into industrial certification? Or other post high school degrees in community colleges. Support quality child care allowing others to work. Invest in these citizens you claim toe concerned about.

These suggestions will work and have a proven track record, they are not all balls like build the wall, or "I'll make the Chinese knuckle under", but hey it is not the answer you want. Just the sound and the fury.....which signify nothing.

Of course I support education. That's silly and almost insulting that the best you can come up is the Hillary "Well, let's educate them!". No ****, Hillary. Let's do that!

You are still willfully obtuse about jobs moving from America. For example, Nabisco will be moving a manufacturing plant to Mexico and bringing in their product tariff-free. Jobs will be lost and it has nothing to do with technology or fair trade.

It's a company that benefits from the US economy. There should be a reasonable tariff attached to it.

Btw, our manufacturing is declining and has been for a while. Our manufacturing industry is crippled. You wouldn't see these trade deficits if it was viable.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/econo...an-manufacturing-jobs-are-a-thing-of-the-past

 

[deleted171991]

You put tariffs on imports, they will put tariffs on their imports (from us), too. It works both ways.

And you need huge tariffs to account for the 5x higher cost of the American employee. That's why our jobs are going abroad.

The only way to compete in this world is to be able to do something that others are not able to, or to do it much better, or cheaper. Like CRNAs vs anesthesiologists. No economy has thrived on protectionism, especially now that the planet is so small.

 

[deepstate2016]

How many jetliner is mexico producing? Heavy earth moving equipment?, large generators, railroad engines? Zero to none, practically speaking. We manufacture large amounts of high end finished goods. Not much in light industry. Why because light industry is not capital intensive, nor is as profitable.
You know who pays the tariff? The consumer. It is a direct tax that gets passed along to the consumer. Guess what as pointed out the other side can do it too.
Tax policy toward companies offering profits and jobs maybe.

These fantasies that Mr. Trump spins and so many seem eager to buy are just that fantasy

 

[deepstate2016]

But go ahead, vote for the guy.

 

[pgg]

The answer to illegal immigration is to prosecute the Americans who hire and pay illegal immigrants.

Imagine a Southern California or Arizona in which Joe the restaurant owner, Bob the hotel owner, Sam the suburban homeowner, and the entire board of directors for the factory farm get arrested, tossed in jail overnight, and fined for hiring dishwashers, cleaning crews, day labor yard workers, and agriculture workers who are here illegally.

The problem isn't the poor Mexicans who risk their lives chasing a better life north of the border. It's the Americans who hire them under the table.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

Are you serious- a real estate businessman wanted house prices to go low so he could buy them and make money?!?! The horror!!

By the way, per CNN "In March, after a CNN report aired questioning the contributions, Trump's campaign provided a list showing 27 veterans organizations had received a total of $2.9 million to date, but the campaign did not confirm when the rest of the funds would be dispersed."

Other monetary donations were said to be waiting. The original number quoted was the amount pledged and not necessarily the am

1) That's a charitable way of looking at it! Another way would be that a billionaire hoped lots of middle-class and poor people would lose their homes so he could add to his billions. And now he wants us to believe that our best interest is what's important to him?! He's a con-man.

2) You need to read what HE SAID. He said during the fundraiser that 6 mil was raised. When asked why only 3 mil was accounted for, he called the interviewer "nasty", and claimed he never said 6mil. When told that this was actually a televised event where his words were recorded, he changed the subject. This PLUS the fact that he didn't deliver on his own promise of 1 mil until asked where that money was.

Tbe fact that he cares about NOTHING but his own pocketbook and celebrity I guarantee would be further supported by his tax returns. Which is partially why he won't release them. This after belittling other candidates in the past for not releasing theirs fast enough. I'm sure you know when asked by George Stephanapoulis about his returns, he said "it's none of your business". Interpret that how you want.

Not looking to convince you of anything. It's just interesting to list the very overt cons he pulls that his supporters don't bat an eyelash at. And they'll get worse. Count on it.

 

[Ignatius J]

1) That's a charitable way of looking at it! Another way would be that a billionaire hoped lots of middle-class and poor people would lose their homes so he could add to his billions. And now he wants us to believe that our best interest is what's important to him?! He's a con-man.

2) You need to read what HE SAID. He said during the fundraiser that 6 mil was raised. When asked why only 3 mil was accounted for, he called the interviewer "nasty", and claimed he never said 6mil. When told that this was actually a televised event where his words were recorded, he changed the subject. This PLUS the fact that he didn't deliver on his own promise of 1 mil until asked where that money was.

Tbe fact that he cares about NOTHING but his own pocketbook and celebrity I guarantee would be further supported by his tax returns. Which is partially why he won't release them. This after belittling other candidates in the past for not releasing theirs fast enough. I'm sure you know when asked by George Stephanapoulis about his returns, he said "it's none of your business". Interpret that how you want.

Not looking to convince you of anything. It's just interesting to list the very overt cons he pulls that his supporters don't bat an eyelash at. And they'll get worse. Count on it.

I bat an eyelash, of course. By when I have someone who is going to vote for a Clinton Machine that is associated with scandal after scandal everywhere they have been involving allegations of perjury, money laundering, coercion, adultery, sexual assault, sexual harassment, witness intimidation, security breeching, and bribery, sorry, it is hard to take you seriously.

Hillary supporters can argue qualifications all they want. One thing they can't argue is the moral or ethical high ground, or equivalency.

Speaking of not caring, ask the feminist proud Clinton candidate how much she empathized with Bill's victims when he creeped on them.

 

[deleted171991]

So, I guess, if the libertarian party comes out with Gary Johnson as candidate, you'll vote for him, since he will be the least morally corrupt?

 

[Ignatius J]

So, I guess, if the libertarian party comes out with Gary Johnson as candidate, you'll vote for him, since he will be the least morally corrupt?

I will vote for the candidate that will block Hillary, a person I perceive to be corrupt, morally bankrupt, and a viscous enabler. A vote for Johnson will not. Trump, however flawed he is (because I can admit his flaws), it is.

To answer your broader point, yes, I do consider someone's character and past almost as much as I do their political stances when deciding who or who not to vote for. Johnson would be fine, but Hillary's shadow of darkness looms larger than his candlelight.

 

[pgg]

1) That's a charitable way of looking at it! Another way would be that a billionaire hoped lots of middle-class and poor people would lose their homes so he could add to his billions. And now he wants us to believe that our best interest is what's important to him?! He's a con-man.

Investors often speak of market dips, corrections, even crashes as buying opportunities. That doesn't mean they cheer a retiree's 401(k) losses.

Trump never hoped people would lose their homes. He hoped his investments would do well. Gains don't just come from selling high. Buying low is part of it. There's no moral statement to be made either way.

If you really want to judge a person for their real estate investments, don't judge Trump a bad person for profiting because he bought during a down market ... judge Clinton a bad person for her corrupt stock gains because illegal practices actually harm other people.

 

[Machinery]

I will vote for the candidate that will block Hillary, a person I perceive to be corrupt, morally bankrupt, and a viscous enabler. A vote for Johnson will not. Trump, however flawed he is (because I can admit his flaws), it is.

To answer your broader point, yes, I do consider someone's character and past almost as much as I do their political stances when deciding who or who not to vote for. Johnson would be fine, but Hillary's shadow of darkness looms larger than his candlelight.

Then why are you supporting Donald J Trump?

 

[deepstate2016]

if you are truly assessing character then you should be repelled by Mr. Trump. Once again I believe your animus for Mrs Clinton is driving your decision, and I understand she is hardly a dream candidate. But as much as I personally dislike both candidates one seems to have zero grasp of government and policy and if in office can do us great harm. That is Donald Trump.

 

[DokterMom]

I bat an eyelash, of course. By when I have someone who is going to vote for a Clinton Machine that is associated with scandal after scandal everywhere they have been involving allegations of perjury, money laundering, coercion, adultery, sexual assault, sexual harassment, witness intimidation, security breeching, and bribery, sorry, it is hard to take you seriously.

Hillary supporters can argue qualifications all they want. One thing they can't argue is the moral or ethical high ground, or equivalency.

Speaking of not caring, ask the feminist proud Clinton candidate how much she empathized with Bill's victims when he creeped on them.

Since you ask -- This feminist is not thrilled with Bill Clinton's sexual conduct, but has no problems with candidate Hillary's, which is the relevant comparison. And if you're actually serious about comparing sexual conduct, you'll have to admit that Donald's sexual conduct is every bit as skanky and amoral as Bill's.

And Yes, the Clinton's have been "associated with scandal after scandal everywhere they have been involving allegations of perjury, money laundering, coercion, adultery, sexual assault, sexual harassment, witness intimidation, security breeching, and bribery," -- but this by republican hit squads and third-rate yellow "news" outlets, and yet somehow, not much has ever been proven. The political right has been doggedly after the Clintons for decades -- decades! -- and 'unproven allegations' and innuendos is all they've got.

Do I think the Clintons are candidates for sainthood? Certainly not - They're career politicians and that's a dirty job. But considering how hard and how long their political enemies have been digging, you'd think they've have found more dirt by now.

 

[Ignatius J]

Then why are you supporting Donald J Trump?

The much lesser of two evils.

 

[Ignatius J]

Since you ask -- This feminist is not thrilled with Bill Clinton's sexual conduct, but has no problems with candidate Hillary's, which is the relevant comparison. And if you're actually serious about comparing sexual conduct, you'll have to admit that Donald's sexual conduct is every bit as skanky and amoral as Bill's.

And Yes, the Clinton's have been "associated with scandal after scandal everywhere they have been involving allegations of perjury, money laundering, coercion, adultery, sexual assault, sexual harassment, witness intimidation, security breeching, and bribery," -- but this by republican hit squads and third-rate yellow "news" outlets, and yet somehow, not much has ever been proven. The political right has been doggedly after the Clintons for decades -- decades! -- and 'unproven allegations' and innuendos is all they've got.

Do I think the Clintons are candidates for sainthood? Certainly not - They're career politicians and that's a dirty job. But considering how hard and how long their political enemies have been digging, you'd think they've have found more dirt by now.

I'm just curious- have you actually ever even looked into Bill Clinton and all his mistresses and sexual assault/sexual harassment allegers? Here's a quick list, and we are just getting warmed up and not to the admitted ones, perjury, Juanita Broadderick, etc.

* Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. “I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn’t even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room.”

* Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.

* Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.

* Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation’s capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton’s hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.

* Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton’s leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant’s legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.

* Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/

 

[Machinery]

The much lesser of two evils.

Remember this quote in November, as it will be the explanation of Trump's defeat.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Then why are you supporting Donald J Trump?

You clearly cannot comprehend English.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

if you are truly assessing character then you should be repelled by Mr. Trump. Once again I believe your animus for Mrs Clinton is driving your decision, and I understand she is hardly a dream candidate. But as much as I personally dislike both candidates one seems to have zero grasp of government and policy and if in office can do us great harm. That is Donald Trump.

What about Hillary leads you to think she can handle being President when she couldn't handle being S o S?

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Since you ask -- This feminist is not thrilled with Bill Clinton's sexual conduct, but has no problems with candidate Hillary's, which is the relevant comparison. And if you're actually serious about comparing sexual conduct, you'll have to admit that Donald's sexual conduct is every bit as skanky and amoral as Bill's.

And Yes, the Clinton's have been "associated with scandal after scandal everywhere they have been involving allegations of perjury, money laundering, coercion, adultery, sexual assault, sexual harassment, witness intimidation, security breeching, and bribery," -- but this by republican hit squads and third-rate yellow "news" outlets, and yet somehow, not much has ever been proven. The political right has been doggedly after the Clintons for decades -- decades! -- and 'unproven allegations' and innuendos is all they've got.

Do I think the Clintons are candidates for sainthood? Certainly not - They're career politicians and that's a dirty job. But considering how hard and how long their political enemies have been digging, you'd think they've have found more dirt by now.

Intimidating female accusers and laughing about the female child rape victim shows significant improvement in her demeanor towards women. Bravo.

Supporting a fellow female who advocates that women who don't vote for Hillary have a special place in hell. Bravo.

 

[Machinery]

You clearly cannot comprehend English.

Trump style talk. Look, there will be an election in November and Trump will loose. For now, let's continue the Internet forum election simulation euphoria some of us are presently bathing in.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I'm just curious- have you actually ever even looked into Bill Clinton and all his mistresses and sexual assault/sexual harassment allegers? Here's a quick list, and we are just getting warmed up and not to the admitted ones, perjury, Juanita Broadderick, etc.

* Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. “I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn’t even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room.”

* Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.

* Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.

* Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation’s capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton’s hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.

* Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton’s leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant’s legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.

* Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/

Oh Bill.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Trump style talk. Look, there will be an election in November and Trump will loose. For now, let's continue the Internet forum election simulation euphoria some of us are presently bathing in.

Learn to spell. It's "lose" not "loose," you well-educated liberal.

He stated his reason for voting Trump over Hillary, despite Trump's moral short comings. It's a lot less than Hillary's and Hillary clearly is INCOMPETENT. She wants Bill to head up the treasury because "he knows what he's doing." Bull****. Greenspan piped up the economy with his bubble he created that was inevitably going to burst and it did.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

I'm just curious- have you actually ever even looked into Bill Clinton and all his mistresses and sexual assault/sexual harassment allegers? Here's a quick list, and we are just getting warmed up and not to the admitted ones, perjury, Juanita Broadderick, etc.

* Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. “I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn’t even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room.”

* Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.

* Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.

* Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation’s capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton’s hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.

* Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton’s leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant’s legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.

* Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/

I forget. Who were we talking about?

 

[Machinery]

Learn to spell. It's "lose" not "loose," you well-educated liberal.

He stated his reason for voting Trump over Hillary, despite Trump's moral short comings. It's a lot less than Hillary's and Hillary clearly is INCOMPETENT. She wants Bill to head up the treasury because "he knows what he's doing." Bull****. Greenspan piped up the economy with his bubble he created that was inevitably going to burst and it did.

Apparently I should replace my spell check with Internet buffoons

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Apparently I should replace my spell check with Internet buffoons

Well, glad you recognize that, buffoon.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I forget. Who were we talking about?

Hillary enabled all this, and lied. That's the problem. If she cared more about women, she wouldn't have.

 

[Ignatius J]

I forget. Who were we talking about?

The Clintons. Ask Juanita Brodderick how helpful Hillary was after Wild Bill allegedly brutally sexually assaulting her. Because every female victim deserves to be believed, as Hillary said, right?

 

[Ignatius J]

Remember this quote in November, as it will be the explanation of Trump's defeat.

I am not naive enough to contend that Trump is the favorite, even though he is leading in the RCP poll average. I think Hillary has a leg up and will get a boost when she finally fends of the 70+ year old Socialist. I do think, however, it will take all she has and her victory isn't in the bag by any stretch.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

Investors often speak of market dips, corrections, even crashes as buying opportunities. That doesn't mean they cheer a retiree's 401(k) losses.

Trump never hoped people would lose their homes. He hoped his investments would do well. Gains don't just come from selling high. Buying low is part of it. There's no moral statement to be made either way.

If you really want to judge a person for their real estate investments, don't judge Trump a bad person for profiting because he bought during a down market ... judge Clinton a bad person for her corrupt stock gains because illegal practices actually harm other people.

Except he wasn't talking about his investments. He was talking about potential investments in homes lost to foreclosure. That is a very legitimate position for a businessman to take, but it highlights what the masses see as a greedy, callous attitude of the super-rich toward the middle and lower-classes. It's not hard or unreasonable to be judgemental about his attitude.

 

[pgg]

He's a boorish self-centered narcissistic tool with a thousand faults, but I just can't count this among them. He was a real estate guy for being happy about a buying opportunity.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Except he wasn't talking about his investments. He was talking about potential investments in homes lost to foreclosure. That is a very legitimate position for a businessman to take, but it highlights what the masses see as a greedy, callous attitude of the super-rich toward the middle and lower-classes. It's not hard or unreasonable to be judgemental about his attitude.

The average big money investor wasn't salivating over the housing bubble bursting? That's an interesting notion.

 

[deleted171991]

I can't believe Trump voters are as bullies as he is, even among us. But apparently people vote with whom they identify with. What a shame... Plebes will be plebes. I am truly afraid for this country's future.

As usual, little people get all worked up, while the rich and powerful become just richer and more powerful. Divide et impera. As somebody wise said, it doesn't really matter who gets elected.

I'll keep walking...

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I can't believe those voting for Hillary are as dishonest as she is. Who knew?

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I can't believe Trump voters are as bullies as he is. But apparently people vote with whom they identify with. What a shame... Plebes will be plebes.

As usual, little people get all worked up, while the rich and powerful become just richer and more powerful. Divide et impera. As somebody wise said, it doesn't really matter who gets elected.

You're right, it really doesn't matter. Doesn't mean we need to pick someone who couldn't do a decent job as Sec of State. Trump has his faults, plenty of them. Still, at this time, he's more tolerable than the machine backed Hillary.

I'd love for a gridlock - I bet $5 that Ryan would go for it.

 

[deleted171991]

I can't believe those voting for Hillary are as dishonest as she is. Who knew?

Listen. The world is full of corrupt politicians, including a lot of developed countries; it comes with the occupation. What matters most is what they do for the little people. But no populist demagogue intolerant bully has ever led a democratic country to anything else but isolation, war and/or ruin. Opening the door to Trump is opening the door to fascism.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Listen. The world is full of corrupt politicians, including a lot of developed countries. But no populist demagogue intolerant bully has EVER led a democratic country to anything else but war and ruin.

That would have been Ted Cruz, nice try.
The Clintons and Obama have led us to enough wars. Dubya too. Would you have considered them populist demagogue intolerant bullies?
Carter was an excellent President too.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

The Clintons. Ask Juanita Brodderick how helpful Hillary was after Wild Bill allegedly brutally sexually assaulting her. Because every female victim deserves to be believed, as Hillary said, right?

Allegations are obviously very important to you, and that's ok. But it's fortunately pretty rare for a wife to throw her husband under the bus over allegations. I think that's probably the way it should be.
She's obviously accepted that he is/was a philanderer, and she made the choice to stay with him. Lots of women do. She probably does not believe he's a violent rapist.

And I bet as a lawyer Hillary Clinton is aware that both men AND women occasionally lie.

And again, Bill Clinton isn't running. But Trump, as a TMZ level celebrity, feeds off slime and scandal.

 

[deleted171991]

That would have been Ted Cruz, nice try.
The Clintons and Obama have led us to enough wars. Dubya too. Would you have considered them populist demagogue intolerant bullies?
Carter was an excellent President too.

If you didn't like Dubya, wait till you see Trump.

Yes, we have a fantastic talent at electing crappy presidents, thus proving that the system is f-ed up.

Can you believe that my wife calls me the republican of the family? Now imagine how close he and his fans remind me of wonderful dictators like Putin to make me rather vote for anybody else.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

The average big money investor wasn't salivating over the housing bubble bursting? That's an interesting notion.

It would be an interesting notion. Did someone say that?

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

If you didn't like Dubya, wait till you see Trump.

Yes, we have a fantastic talent at electing crappy presidents, thus proving that the system is f-ed up.

That's my point - you're point about populist demagogues and bullies are simply that. Hyperbole.
We have a checks and balance in gov't and Ryan can neutralize Trump to a degree whereas if Hillary wins, she'll take control of the Supreme Court, too.
Do you really want a third Obama term? They can't even mention "illegal immigrants" it's as if the elephant in the room doesn't even exist.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

It would be an interesting notion. Did someone say that?

Big Business and investors have been playing the little man since forever. This does not change my opinion of Trump for simply expressing something that would favor him as an investor. Nice try, though.

 

[Machinery]

Well, glad you recognize that, buffoon.

A little emotional? Sound like the type that cries after elections. Calm down dude, Trump probably does not give a rats rectum about all this Internet energy you are expending. Neither do I.

 

[deleted171991]

We have a checks and balance in gov't and Ryan can neutralize Trump to a degree.

Only in a democracy. I am not sure he will respect it; he seems to be the kind of the man for whom the end justifies the means, somebody who thinks he's always right.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

A little emotional? Sound like the type that cries after elections. Calm down dude, Trump probably does not give a rats rectum about all this Internet energy you are expending. Neither do I.

Neither do I care about all this. Trust me on that. Clearly you're expending energy because to me this is child's play.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Only in a democracy. I am not sure he will respect it; he seems to be the kind of the man for whom the end justifies the means.

Like Obama?

 

[Pooh & Annie]

He's a boorish self-centered narcissistic tool with a thousand faults, but I just can't count this among them. He was a real estate guy for being happy about a buying opportunity.

You're right, this is small among them.

There are people out there, though, who actually see these kinds of crashes in terms of people, and the effect on the country. Not money. I think that kind of person would make a better president, that's all.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

If you didn't like Dubya, wait till you see Trump.

Yes, we have a fantastic talent at electing crappy presidents, thus proving that the system is f-ed up.

Can you believe that my wife calls me the republican of the family? Now imagine how close he and his fans remind me of wonderful dictators like Putin to make me rather vote for anybody else.

More hyperbole.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

You're right, this is small among them.

There are people out there, though, who actually see these kinds of crashes in terms of people, and the effect on the country. Not money. I think that kind of person would make a better president, that's all.

Hillary sees people as people? Lol.