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Pooh & Annie said:
How so? And that's not rhetorical. I'd like to know.
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Off the top of my head, the big ones that grate on me often:

1) Disregard for the Constitution

Mostly this is subjective and open to interpretation. The ACA was found constitutional by the Supreme Court, so I guess by definition it is.


2) Transparency

Off mike comments caught when speaking to Medvedev: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility,"

Statements to the Brady group that he would pursue gun control "under the radar".

Executive privilege to further stall the Fast & Furious investigation. (As well as a number of other obstructive moves to interfere with that.)

White House staff using private email accounts to sidestep the law.

In short, he's as bad as (or worse than) Bush was in this regard.
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I think that debate went about as well as could be reasonably hoped for Romney.

He missed a couple opportunities. But. Coupled with lowered expectations for Obama, the sure knowledge that Obama would not be the passive loser he was in the first one, and the general tendency for 1st-debate-losers to at least revert to the mean if not become 2nd-debate-winners ... the slim to modest Obama victory most media outlets are declaring isn't a horrible result for Romney.

I think he did the minimum he had to do and not much more: look presidential, don't say stupid stuff that pisses people off.

I bet Obama maintains his current electoral lead into the last debate, but I don't think he'll recover the huge advantage he had prior to the first debate.
 
haha, lets hold osteoimperfecta to his word. if romney wins, he/she has to change his name on sdn because his mind loses credibility as his post would indicate
 
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pgg said:
Off the top of my head, the big ones that grate on me often:

1) Disregard for the Constitution

Mostly this is subjective and open to interpretation. The ACA was found constitutional by the Supreme Court, so I guess by definition it is.


2) Transparency

Off mike comments caught when speaking to Medvedev: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility,"

Statements to the Brady group that he would pursue gun control "under the radar".

Executive privilege to further stall the Fast & Furious investigation. (As well as a number of other obstructive moves to interfere with that.)

White House staff using private email accounts to sidestep the law.

In short, he's as bad as (or worse than) Bush was in this regard.
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Not real convincing in my opinion.
1) Is he wrong about the defense issue in an election year? Do you really think during an election cycle he'll get bipartisan agreement on a resolution for European missile defense policy? You know that's not going to happen. So should he say publicly "I might as well not even bother with this issue because we won't make anything happen this year"? I don't think he has much option here

2)I didn't know about the Brady thing but I looked it up. The quote was from Sarah Brady, who later admitted she NEVER EVEN SPOKE TO OBAMA about gun control. Regardless, the Brady group has given him failing grades throughout his presidency on the gun control issue. There is no evidence that he wants to pick a fight with the gun lobby.

3) Holder specifically requested the executive privilege. I wish he hadn't obliged. But in the end, this ******ed scheme was obviously not his. Yes, he absolutely needs to take responsibility for his appointments (ie Holder), but my guess is Obama would like to get the investigation over with so it's understood that the plan was someone else's. It's already known that there was a HUGE f$ck up by his people. I guarantee that's the extent of his involvement in the matter. I do wish he would just let the investigation proceed though

Anyway, I guess my point is, To me he's NOWHERE NEAR the anti-American, anti-constitution socialist like the right wants him to be perceived.
 
Romney had a strong showing as far as I am concerned and Obama came back strong and defended himself well as expected. Romney hit homeruns all night with the job situation and it could not have turned out better save for that Benghazi flub where people started applauding Obama. My biggest fear coming into the debate was that Romney would mishandle immigration and the DREAM act but his answers were appeasing to immigrants and rednecks alike.
 
leviathan said:
Romney only wins if people believe his lies. 31 myths in 41 minutes last night: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...romney-told-31-myths-in-41-minutes/?mobile=nc

His entire debate tactic seems to revolve around attacking Obama's performance while offering no clear solutions as to how he will do a better job.
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Take a look at your guy Obama. Please indulge us with clear solutions he laid out for us aside from more bankrupted solar panel companies. Romney laid out much more of a plan while Obama tried to sell more "fair shots."

And you are posting articles from thinkprogress? Seriously? Maybe I'll post something from Glen Beck later and refer to that as non biased fact. Getting your facts from sites like thinkprogress, democratic underground or drudge report will give you very few truths. And posting links from their sites will make you lose credibility as they are all clearly partisan.
 
Obama wins in 2012 - guaranteed.
 
Watching the Daily Show last night reminded me of this thread:


periopdoc said:
I watched the stream of the debate with no audio. Visually speaking, Romney looked more presidential. Obama looked like an uncomfortable actor in an ill fitting suit.
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One of them was mocking the networks' debate analysis teams with his own group of totally unqualified people. One of the bits was showing the debate on mute and asking who looked like he was winning.


Hawaiian Bruin said:
For sober analysis that's more than just biased conjecture, go to Nate Silver's blog fivethirtyeight. Has Obama as a 2:1 favorite right now.
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And Nate Silver was his guest.
 
Yo GabbaPentin said:
Take a look at your guy Obama. Please indulge us with clear solutions he laid out for us aside from more bankrupted solar panel companies. Romney laid out much more of a plan while Obama tried to sell more "fair shots."

And you are posting articles from thinkprogress? Seriously? Maybe I'll post something from Glen Beck later and refer to that as non biased fact. Getting your facts from sites like thinkprogress, democratic underground or drudge report will give you very few truths. And posting links from their sites will make you lose credibility as they are all clearly partisan.
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So much easier to just badmouth the source than actually address the content. The facts in the article come from sources that many would find perfectly trustworthy.

I wish the GOP had a candidate who is a reasonable alternative to Obama. Someone with truly conservative views who doesn't need to lie his pants off to get elected. Someone who is not just a shill for ideologues, multimillionaires, and corporations. McCain might have had my vote if not for Palin.
 
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Yo GabbaPentin said:
Take a look at your guy Obama. Please indulge us with clear solutions he laid out for us aside from more bankrupted solar panel companies. Romney laid out much more of a plan while Obama tried to sell more "fair shots."

And you are posting articles from thinkprogress? Seriously? Maybe I'll post something from Glen Beck later and refer to that as non biased fact. Getting your facts from sites like thinkprogress, democratic underground or drudge report will give you very few truths. And posting links from their sites will make you lose credibility as they are all clearly partisan.
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Partisan or not that site laid everything out that is right from the debate. Romney lies more than he tells the truth. Not that all politicians don't lie through their teeth, but Romney is so bad at it and he thinks Americans are too stupid to notice. He said right in his own debate that he will create 12 million jobs (which is a lie, that's the predicted job increase regardless of who is president), and then 5 minutes later he says that 'government doesn't create jobs'. The guy can't keep a stable position on any political topic because he's frantically trying to say whatever he thinks will get him elected.
 
leviathan said:
Partisan or not that site laid everything out that is right from the debate. Romney lies more than he tells the truth. Not that all politicians don't lie through their teeth, but Romney is so bad at it and he thinks Americans are too stupid to notice. He said right in his own debate that he will create 12 million jobs (which is a lie, that's the predicted job increase regardless of who is president), and then 5 minutes later he says that 'government doesn't create jobs'. The guy can't keep a stable position on any political topic because he's frantically trying to say whatever he thinks will get him elected.
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You mean like Obama calling Libya terrorist attack in the rose garden? Or him cutting the deficit in half? Or his original gay marriage stance before he thought that supporting it might energize his base? Or that Obamacare lowers cost and is budget neutral? Etc etc etc etc.... So tell me. There are only two choices. Is Obama a liar or failure? IMO he is both.

Truthfully, my biggest problem with him is the forcing of a bill which involved massive amounts of political arm twisting to pass and NO ONE READ IT. A 2200 page bill passed which no one read. IMO everyone who voted yes on something they never read should be thrown out of office or imprisoned.
 
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powermd said:
So much easier to just badmouth the source than actually address the content. The facts in the article come from sources that many would find perfectly trustworthy.

I wish the GOP had a candidate who is a reasonable alternative to Obama. Someone with truly conservative views who doesn't need to lie his pants off to get elected. Someone who is not just a shill for ideologues, multimillionaires, and corporations. McCain might have had my vote if not for Palin.
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I lost all respect for McCain that last election. I was a huge fan of his when he challenged Bush for the nomination. He completely and absolutely sold out to the far right to get elected 4 years ago. Now he sounds like your very average hack every time he speaks.
Ron Paul to me is what a politician SHOULD be. I disagree with probably most of what he believes, but nobody panders less than he does. He's got bigger balls than every dem and repub combined.
 
Yo GabbaPentin said:
You mean like Obama calling Libya terrorist attack in the rose garden? Or him cutting the deficit in half? Or his original gay marriage stance before he thought that supporting it might energize his base? Or that Obamacare lowers cost and is budget neutral? Etc etc etc etc.... So tell me. There are only two choices. Is Obama a liar or failure? IMO he is both.

Truthfully, my biggest problem with him is the forcing of a bill which involved massive amounts of political arm twisting to pass and NO ONE READ IT. A 2200 page bill passed which no one read. IMO everyone who voted yes on something they never read should be thrown out of office or imprisoned.
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You're blaming Obama for no one else reading his bill before voting on it?

Instead of misdirecting, why not answer the very reasonable issues raised about Romney's lies? My guess is you couldn't possibly care less what he says, as long as it gets him elected so we can get right back on the course set for us by GWB.
 
powermd said:
You're blaming Obama for no one else reading his bill before voting on it?

Instead of misdirecting, why not answer the very reasonable issues raised about Romney's lies? My guess is you couldn't possibly care less what he says, as long as it gets him elected so we can get right back on the course set for us by GWB.
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Unfortunately I have misrepresented my political views. I am a true independent who came very close to voting for Obama in 2008. Ultimately I voted for no one because I came to the conclusion that they both sucked.

On topic of Romney lying... Of course he lies!! They ALL lie. What pisses me off is the media dissecting every Romney word while sweeping every bonehead Obama scandal or lie. If there were five networks reporting like fox and one msnbc then I'd have a major problem with that too.

And HELL YES I blame Obama for the lack of reading the bill. He pushed that thing through like his pen was on fire and he couldn't drop it until he signed a massive crappy bill without reading it himself. All of the transparency talk was great and then a ton of closed door deals and essentially bribes to vote on healthcare law.

So no... I'm not voting FOR Romney. I'm voting AGAINST Obama. I wanted him to do well. But I'm not fond of kool aid and without the kool aid there is no way to claim anything other than pure failure.
 
Yo GabbaPentin said:
Unfortunately I have misrepresented my political views. I am a true independent who came very close to voting for Obama in 2008. Ultimately I voted for no one because I came to the conclusion that they both sucked.

On topic of Romney lying... Of course he lies!! They ALL lie. What pisses me off is the media dissecting every Romney word while sweeping every bonehead Obama scandal or lie. If there were five networks reporting like fox and one msnbc then I'd have a major problem with that too.

And HELL YES I blame Obama for the lack of reading the bill. He pushed that thing through like his pen was on fire and he couldn't drop it until he signed a massive crappy bill without reading it himself. All of the transparency talk was great and then a ton of closed door deals and essentially bribes to vote on healthcare law.

So no... I'm not voting FOR Romney. I'm voting AGAINST Obama. I wanted him to do well. But I'm not fond of kool aid and without the kool aid there is no way to claim anything other than pure failure.
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You're upset Obama rammed through the AHA?

No one has been killed or tortured as a direct result of the AHA.

Have you considered the kinds of things the last Republican administration rammed through? Can we really take a risk that Romney won't pick up where GWB left off?
 
powermd said:
You're upset Obama rammed through the AHA?

No one has been killed or tortured as a direct result of the AHA.

Have you considered the kinds of things the last Republican administration rammed through? Can we really take a risk that Romney won't pick up where GWB left off?
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Yup.
 
boanssi, you'll be in for quite a surprise in 16 days. he was saying his job for the campaign is not to worry about the 47% of the people who will vote for obama no matter what he says. its called having a strategy to win an election. obama does not target all american voters. why isnt he in georgia or texas?
and im glad you pointed out that politicians are flip flops. by definition thats what they do, to try and get votes. why dont you post a video of obama talking to a caucus of african american people and suddenly having an aunt jemima accent?

bottom line: obama failed, move on, there will be another messiah in 8 years for you to pray for hope and change
 
TRuSchool said:
boanssi, you'll be in for quite a surprise in 16 days. he was saying his job for the campaign is not to worry about the 47% of the people who will vote for obama no matter what he says. its called having a strategy to win an election. obama does not target all american voters. why isnt he in georgia or texas?
and im glad you pointed out that politicians are flip flops. by definition thats what they do, to try and get votes. why dont you post a video of obama talking to a caucus of african american people and suddenly having an aunt jemima accent?

bottom line: obama failed, move on, there will be another messiah in 8 years for you to pray for hope and change
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You think so? He ONLY had to face the biggest economical and financial crisis since the great depression, two wars (afghanistan and iraq), and all the ****-ups he inherited from the Bush administration.

The problem I see in Obama is that he set people's expectations too high in 2008. He couldn't have been elected otherwise, especially in a country as racist as America.

Just to sum up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLN-AdRluo
Funny and, at the same time, true :)
 
boanssi said:
You think so? He ONLY had to face the biggest economical and financial crisis since the great depression, two wars (afghanistan and iraq), and all the ****-ups he inherited from the Bush administration.

The problem I see in Obama is that he set people's expectations too high in 2008. He couldn't have been elected otherwise, especially in a country as racist as America.

Just to sum up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLN-AdRluo
Funny and, at the same time, true :)
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No way you are serious about this.
 
Osteoimperfecta said:
No way you are serious about this.
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he is serious about this. most blind supporters of obama (which he is) are people who hate America.

Either way Odumbo is going to win. I just want the House of Reps in Republican control. Senate I think will go to Dems cause of idiots like Akin. As long as House of Reps remain in Repub control, I'm okay. All revenue bills must originate in the house. Thank God repubs seem very likely to retain control of the house.
 
wanttoreadforum said:
Bolded for emphasis. Funny you mention that, given that 94% of African American voters are voting for Obama and...0% are voting for Romney.

0%.

Glad we're all voting on issues here...oh wait.

EDIT: Funny that I didn't even read the post prior to mine and we both highlighted the exact same absurd part of that post.
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Let me ask you this: in the 2008 elections, did McCain get 0% of votes among African-Americans? The answer is no.

There are many reasons behind Romney's unpopularity: he flips-flops on every major issue, only showed one year's worth of tax returns, thinks that 47% of Americans are parasites and that illegal immigrants should simply self-deport and, finally, lied his ass off in the first two presidential debates. Oh, he also did a poor job as governor of Massachusetts. I could go on and on...

Face it: he has a lousy record and he simply can't connect to the average middle-class american because he is a multi-millionaire investor who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, just like Paul Ryan. This one believes that 20% tax cuts across the board are revenue neutral. What a joke.
 
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This is Carter/Reagan all over again. The same horrible economy. The same economically ignorant fool in the White House bringing misery to Americans. The same economic collapse under the weight of socialist, pro union, soak the rich, demonize the business owners, policies.

I predict the same result on election day. Mitt Romney in a landslide.

And If I'm wrong- God help the United States of America.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/09/romney-will-win-in-landslide-las-vegas-oddsmaker-doubles-down-on-prediction/?intcmp=obinsite#ixzz2A38iy5R2
 
Agree with above. I watched him speak on tv this weekend. polls are skewed. Most online sportsbooks had obama a 2.5-3:1 favorite. Now he is a 1.5:1 favorite. Meaning if you bet $15 on obama, you'd win $10. I dont like the polling numbers in general. Most calls are made to homes. How many people still have LAN lines anyway? It seems to me that the majority of people who like Obama are on facebook (and are in their 20s, dont work, pay no taxes, own no property, most from states that are heavy Obama favorites anyway).
 
Fox News is always a reliable, unbiased source of information.. . -_-
 
TRuSchool said:
Agree with above. I watched him speak on tv this weekend. polls are skewed. Most online sportsbooks had obama a 2.5-3:1 favorite. Now he is a 1.5:1 favorite. Meaning if you bet $15 on obama, you'd win $10. I dont like the polling numbers in general. Most calls are made to homes. How many people still have LAN lines anyway? It seems to me that the majority of people who like Obama are on facebook (and are in their 20s, dont work, pay no taxes, own no property, most from states that are heavy Obama favorites anyway).
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An important thing to remember about sportsbooks is that when it comes to anything they're taking bets on (games or elections), their spreads aren't just a result of objective data analysis of who's going to win by how much. They're also influenced by their analysis of the bettors.

(Casinos don't just win because they know the odds at the craps or roulette tables. They win because they track astounding volumes of data on the gamblers themselves and exploit their knowledge of gamblers and psychology.)

Their spreads and odds are designed to maximize their betting profits, not predict winners for the sake of predicting the winner (or margin of victory). The MGM Mirage and Caesar's both say Chicago is a 6 1/2 point favorite over Detroit tonight. What they're NOT doing is saying their analysis is predicting a Chicago win by 7. What they ARE doing is saying that given the expected bets from the expected betting population, setting the spread at 6 1/2 is predicted to maximize their profits by enticing the largest number of losing bets.


My point:

1) Oddsmakers are in the making money business, not the result prediction business. Being successful obligates them to be good predictors, but that doesn't mean the numbers they publicly share and take bets on are exactly aligned with their actual predictions for the event.

2) Their methods are inherently secretive.

Neither of these factors make Vegas a good source for accurate predictions in close contests.
 
boanssi said:
Let me ask you this: in the 2008 elections, did McCain get 0% of votes among African-Americans? The answer is no.

There are many reasons behind Romney's unpopularity: he flips-flops on every major issue, only showed one year's worth of tax returns, thinks that 47% of Americans are parasites and that illegal immigrants should simply self-deport and, finally, lied his ass off in the first two presidential debates. Oh, he also did a poor job as governor of Massachusetts. I could go on and on...

Face it: he has a lousy record and he simply can't connect to the average middle-class american because he is a multi-millionaire investor who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, just like Paul Ryan. This one believes that 20% tax cuts across the board are revenue neutral. What a joke.
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You are really going to bring up "a lousy record" when describing an Obama opponent? That should be a phrase struck from your thoughless talking points. Stick to your 47%, big bird and tax conspiracy nonsense, chief. Those garbage talking points are the only reason Obama isnt ahead by 15 points right now. If he could have suppressed his gigantic ego and just PRETENDED to be more moderate (like Bill Clinton's re election), then this wouldn't even be a contest.

So please, spare us the horse $hit about binders of women and tell us why you are actually FOR Obama. What is he going to do for our country over the next four years? All I've heard so far is "hope and change" "forward" and giving the middle class a "fair shot.".

Unfortunately, I don't expect a real answer from you. So tell me about Mitt Romneys C in his elementary school Spanish class and how that means he hates Latinos.
 
i always laugh at the libs who say Bush 'got us into two wars'..

I hope you guys remember that the American public OVERWHELMINGLY wanted a war in Afghanistan. We wanted to go after the jerks who attacked us. MANY DEMS voted FOR THE WAR in Afghanistan. Who here seriously thinks that we should've just let the terrorists get away with what they did?

The Iraq War was a different story and yes Bush did mislead us on that one. But let's not forget we WANTED to go to war in Afghanistan.

Bush got us into ONE war, not two.
 
Yo GabbaPentin said:
You are really going to bring up "a lousy record" when describing an Obama opponent? That should be a phrase struck from your thoughless talking points. Stick to your 47%, big bird and tax conspiracy nonsense, chief. Those garbage talking points are the only reason Obama isnt ahead by 15 points right now. If he could have suppressed his gigantic ego and just PRETENDED to be more moderate (like Bill Clinton's re election), then this wouldn't even be a contest.

So please, spare us the horse $hit about binders of women and tell us why you are actually FOR Obama. What is he going to do for our country over the next four years? All I've heard so far is "hope and change" "forward" and giving the middle class a "fair shot.".

Unfortunately, I don't expect a real answer from you. So tell me about Mitt Romneys C in his elementary school Spanish class and how that means he hates Latinos.
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Over the last 4 years (just off the top of my head):

- Probably stopped an economic depression
- Obamacare (which Romney insists on taking down)
- Got the troops out of Iraq
- Killed Gadafi and Bin Laden
- The Dream Act
- Repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell
- We can have stem cell research again

Yeah you're right, he did nothing for America. I'll admit that he could've done a lot more. Promising to cut carbon dioxide emission by 4% over the next 10 years is bull****, since we need about 40%.

Please tell me what are Romney's plans for the next four years. I'm dying to know.
Please explain to me how it is possible to cut taxes by 20% for every american and make it revenue neutral. You can't, because it's pure fantasy. Even the *******s at Fox News don't believe in him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBeL4f-KuF8

There you go, a real answer.
 
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Romney was seriously out dueled for a good 30/min as Obama was cleaning up with foreign policy questions but was able to recover well by finishing with the job situation. No serious missteps and a strong closing remark - a decent showing and good enough to carry him into next week with the polls.
 
So right now on C-SPAN is the 3rd party presidential candidate debate

Gary Johnson (libertarian party)
Rocky Anderson (justice party)
Virgil Goode (constitution party)
Jill Stein (green party)

Aside from having to look at that doofus Larry King (the moderator) it's interesting.

Every single one of those candidates is more believable, more credible, more interesting, more honest than Romney or Obama. They're talking about subjects that weren't even brought up in FOUR two-party debates.

How depressing. I wonder how much further this bipartisan Democrat-Republican trainwreck will have to go before we get someone else.
 
the bears won by 6 points. vegas said 6.5
 
Anyone else tired of the knuckle-heads trying to blow this election for Romney? Now this Richard Mourdoch thing has come at the most inopportune moment when the female vote was swinging Romney's way. This will affect women vote without a doubt, by how much is up in the air. Note to idiot senate candidates out there: either think through the crap you are about to say or STFU. Sorry guys, had to vent.
 
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pgg said:
So right now on C-SPAN is the 3rd party presidential candidate debate

Gary Johnson (libertarian party)
Rocky Anderson (justice party)
Virgil Goode (constitution party)
Jill Stein (green party)

Aside from having to look at that doofus Larry King (the moderator) it's interesting.

Every single one of those candidates is more believable, more credible, more interesting, more honest than Romney or Obama. They're talking about subjects that weren't even brought up in FOUR two-party debates.

How depressing. I wonder how much further this bipartisan Democrat-Republican trainwreck will have to go before we get someone else.
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Pretty fun debate. You could probably have a pretty nuanced view and find your candidate there. Definitely some folks who aren't afraid to tell it like they see it.


On a totally tangential side-note, does anyone else think that Joe Paterno could help get Obama re-elected?

(My train of thought being that collegiate sports can significantly influence people's general moods and feelings about the incumbent, that Joe Paterno's actions helped damage PSU's football team this year, and that the classic OSU-PSU match-up is coming up this weekend, 10 days before the election.)
 
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Osteoimperfecta said:
Anyone else tired of the knuckle-heads trying to blow this election for Romney? Now this Richard Mourdoch thing has come at the most inopportune moment when the female vote was swinging Romney's way. This will affect women vote without a doubt, by how much is up in the air. Note to idiot senate candidates out there: either think through the crap you are about to say or STFU. Sorry guys, had to vent.
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Well, that's the problem isn't it? When you vote for Romney, you're not voting just for him. You'll be electing every right-wing idiot he has ever pandered to for the last decade.
 
boanssi said:
Well, that's the problem isn't it? When you vote for Romney, you're not voting just for him. You'll be electing every right-wing idiot he has ever pandered to for the last decade.
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And when you vote for Obama, you're not just voting for him. You're electing the next generation of Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Eric Holder, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor ...

Pick your poison.
 
Most Democrats don't deny evolution, global warming or the right of a woman to abort if they are raped.

Not the same thing.
 
boanssi said:
Most Democrats don't deny evolution, global warming or the right of a woman to abort if they are raped.

Not the same thing.
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Total Crap. Usual Liberal bias and propaganda.

The majority of GOP members want limited FEDERAL government involvement in our lives; not Judges who legislate from the Bench.
 
dr doze said:
Hope you are right, but I would bet money that you are wrong.
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You would have made a good bet...I think Romney will lose. Looking at the result of the 2008 election vs McCain...The guy (Obama) overperformed in most battle ground states except IOWA, CO...For instance, in Ohio the average poll of polls the day before the election said he was about 2% points ahead of McCain, but he ended up winning Ohio by 4%...The same stuff happened for a bunch of so called battleground states--VA, FL, WI, NV, MI etc...There are a bunch of kids who wanna vote for the 'cool' guy... They should raise the voting age eligibility to 30.
 
periopdoc said:
Neither do most Republicans.

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Really? If my memory serves me correctly, we couldn't have stem cell research during the Bush administration (because GWB thought stem cells we actually tiny people), and guess what? Now we can.
 
boanssi said:
Really? If my memory serves me correctly, we couldn't have stem cell research during the Bush administration (because GWB thought stem cells we actually tiny people), and guess what? Now we can.
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With all the issues facing this nation today like crushing debt, Obamacare, massive Medicare and Medicad spending, Iranian nuclear threat, sky high unemployment, etc. you want to base your vote on stem cell research and gay marriage. Unbelievable.
 
BLADEMDA said:
With all the issues facing this nation today like crushing debt, Obamacare, massive Medicare and Medicad spending, Iranian nuclear threat, sky high unemployment, etc. you want to base your vote on stem cell research and gay marriage. Unbelievable.
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Why does that surprise you. I bet the 80/20 rule doesn't even apply. I think most people only vote for their special issues, the rest is just rhetoric to them. The average person isn't really that bright either, unless they make a real effort to understand the issues, they just regurgitate the (well spun) bullet points from cnn.
 
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