2013-2014 Panic Thread

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Sent a letter of interest this morning, received a rejection from the school this evening. Alright then glad that's taken care of.......

Hahaha same kinda thing happened to me. I found out last Friday that my research abstract was accepted by a great journal so I started drafting all sorts of updates. I worked on an update for GW on my way back from an OOS interview and once I landed and checked my email, got the pre-interview rejection from GW. At least I got a good laugh during this process haha.

Anyways, I would still like to update schools on my activities/interest. So far I've sent pre-interview updates to UCLA Geffen/Drew, St. Louis, Jefferson, Tufts, Temple, and Loyola Chicago. Does anyone know what other schools accept pre-interview updates?
 
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I guess it might be time for me to join this thread! Applied to ~10 schools, 3 IIs so far.
First interview - rejected.
Second - haven't heard back.
Third - waitlisted.

They make it pretty hard to do this doctor thing huh? Not sure why I'm posting all this but I guess it feels good to put it out there. Good luck to you guys, I'll be checking in every so often
 
Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys.

I applied late in the cycle last year and ended up with zero interviews (despite having good stats). Applied in June this time around and have 7 interviews already with a couple of acceptances.

The point is... please DON'T LOSE HOPE! Everything will work out in the end. =)
I'd love to know how you picked where to send your application on your second time around. Did you stick with a majority of schools you applied to in the first cycle or did you pick brand new ones?
 
Ugh, is anyone else getting antsy from all the new threads that are preparing for the next upcoming cycle? Haha
 
Ugh, is anyone else getting antsy from all the new threads that are preparing for the next upcoming cycle? Haha
What's really getting me antsy is seeing all these people getting interviews right now ... and reporting something like one or two remaining interview days. 😕
 
How late were you last cycle, and did you change your application at all (e.g. new personal statement, more activities, etc)?

I submitted my primary in late July and was verified by the end of August. The last of my secondaries were submitted in late October (and a few even later as I panicked and added more schools). That was probably my biggest mistake -- sitting on my secondaries for too long!

I wrote a whole new personal statement this time around. That was definitely tough because my motivations as to why I wanted to become a doctor hadn't changed in the last year and I thought my last one was pretty good. I got in touch with a school that I had applied to earlier and they told me that you should DEFINITELY rewrite your personal statement and activities section. Otherwise, you might risk coming off across as lazy or unmotivated.

I didn't have very many new activities either (I continued volunteering and got a new job) so I basically just reworded everything I had written the previous year.

I'd love to know how you picked where to send your application on your second time around. Did you stick with a majority of schools you applied to in the first cycle or did you pick brand new ones?

I went through the MSAR and wrote down the names of all the schools that had average stats that were similar to or below mine. I added a few reach school but not too many. I applied to schools that were OOS friendly (accepted a high percentage of OOSers) and that were in places I could see myself living in.

I applied to a lot more schools this time (~40) and more broadly too. I did reapply to some schools but most of my interviews came from schools where I wasn't a re-applicant (6 out of the 7).
 
I submitted my primary in late July and was verified by the end of August. The last of my secondaries were submitted in late October (and a few even later as I panicked and added more schools). That was probably my biggest mistake -- sitting on my secondaries for too long!

I wrote a whole new personal statement this time around. That was definitely tough because my motivations as to why I wanted to become a doctor hadn't changed in the last year and I thought my last one was pretty good. I got in touch with a school that I had applied to earlier and they told me that you should DEFINITELY rewrite your personal statement and activities section. Otherwise, you might risk coming off across as lazy or unmotivated.

I didn't have very many new activities either (I continued volunteering and got a new job) so I basically just reworded everything I had written the previous year.



I went through the MSAR and wrote down the names of all the schools that had average stats that were similar to or below mine. I added a few reach school but not too many. I applied to schools that were OOS friendly (accepted a high percentage of OOSers) and that were in places I could see myself living in.

I applied to a lot more schools this time (~40) and more broadly too. I did reapply to some schools but most of my interviews came from schools where I wasn't a re-applicant (6 out of the 7).

Yikes, I can't even imagine submitting 40 secondaries.. That would be pretty much all my life savings gone at this point 😛


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Yikes, I can't even imagine submitting 40 secondaries.. That would be pretty much all my life savings gone at this point 😛


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All my credit cards are maxed out but I'd say it was worth it! Haha
 
2 rejects, 1 II, 1 waitlist so far. 6 more schools to hear from. Just got informed that I'm on the waitlist at one of my top schools which is also my state school, so I'm feeling the pressure now. I'm mostly annoyed though that I won't be hearing from that school until may 15th at the earliest.
 
I've been filling my time up by planning for next year if I don't get in...again. Smh. Got to make myself so good that NOBODY can reject me!!! Side note- Still praying it doesn't come down to that.

*Goes back into hiding*.
 
I think I have somewhere around 20 rejections at this point. 4 schools no news, 2 holds, 1 wait list. Odds are not looking good. I am now in the uncomfortable position of either committing to go to PCOM (I have a family friend who works there and says he can get me in) or facing the shame of a gap year and reapplication. I would easily put these past two weeks as the worst of my life. I'm likely going to graduate as valedictorian of my college class, and will have academic subordinates going to medical schools that rejected me all the way back in September. I feel absolutely depressed and humiliated at this point in my life.

I really wish someone had impressed upon me the importance of EC's, shadowing, and volunteer experience early on. I knew they were important, but I didn't know they were THAT important. Now, I'm trying to play frantic catch up in these final 6 months of college, hoping that one of these medical schools that still has me on hold will see my dedication and will reconsider my candidacy.
 
I think I have somewhere around 20 rejections at this point. 4 schools no news, 2 holds, 1 wait list. Odds are not looking good. I am now in the uncomfortable position of either committing to go to PCOM (I have a family friend who works there and says he can get me in) or facing the shame of a gap year and reapplication. I would easily put these past two weeks as the worst of my life. I'm likely going to graduate as valedictorian of my college class, and will have academic subordinates going to medical schools that rejected me all the way back in September. I feel absolutely depressed and humiliated at this point in my life.

I really wish someone had impressed upon me the importance of EC's, shadowing, and volunteer experience early on. I knew they were important, but I didn't know they were THAT important. Now, I'm trying to play frantic catch up in these final 6 months of college, hoping that one of these medical schools that still has me on hold will see my dedication and will reconsider my candidacy.

Really?
 
FFS, the "shame of a gap year and reapplication" ?
My parents went around tooting my own horn without my approval. I wanted to keep the details of my application process private, a wish they did not respect. If I reapply, everyone will know it was because I was rejected.
 
He may be talking about family, in which case I understand.

EDIT: whoops, posted at the same time, lol.
 
I repeat, the "shame of a gap year and reapplication"?

I went to a post-bac, err'ybody knew what I was up to the past three years...
 
My parents went around tooting my own horn without my approval. I wanted to keep the details of my application process private, a wish they did not respect. If I reapply, everyone will know it was because I was rejected.
I completely understand this sentiment. My own father has referred to me as an "old failure," and every conversation on the phone with him is, "time is slipping away, you are too old, and you are an absolute failure." I hang up, and the next time we talk, he's sure to remind me. "How can I show my face at social gatherings? You have ruined my life." It's been about 5 years since he's ever called me by my name.

I'm 29, I have seen all my friends become doctors, with lower MCAT scores and the like. I've seen acquaintances who don't deserve to be doctors (think rating the attractiveness of each of their patients, and asking some out), but you grow past it.

I'm not here to rant, and I'm not here to get sympathy. My point is, yes it sucks, but do you really care? I want to be a physician, and I really am not going to let others' successes and social pressures make that a shameful venture.

Make the most of your gap years. It feels like you are in limbo, I know, but in reality, there's a ton of amazing things you can do. And I don't mean be someone's free/cheap labor - err, medical assistant/scribe. You can start a business, you can work hard, you can learn new skills that complement your future medical career.

The door's open to possibilities. Don't let some old AdCom tell you you're not cut out for medical school if you yourself know better.
 
Idk. I have never been this beaten down by life before, and I guess I'm just having difficulty 1) coming to grips with my situation and 2) knowing how to proceed from this point forward. The stress of these past few weeks far eclipsed the stress I ever endured studying in undergrad or prepping for the MCATs. It's really difficult to see something I worked so hard for slip through my fingers.
 
I think I have somewhere around 20 rejections at this point. 4 schools no news, 2 holds, 1 wait list. Odds are not looking good. I am now in the uncomfortable position of either committing to go to PCOM (I have a family friend who works there and says he can get me in) or facing the shame of a gap year and reapplication. I would easily put these past two weeks as the worst of my life. I'm likely going to graduate as valedictorian of my college class, and will have academic subordinates going to medical schools that rejected me all the way back in September. I feel absolutely depressed and humiliated at this point in my life.

I really wish someone had impressed upon me the importance of EC's, shadowing, and volunteer experience early on. I knew they were important, but I didn't know they were THAT important. Now, I'm trying to play frantic catch up in these final 6 months of college, hoping that one of these medical schools that still has me on hold will see my dedication and will reconsider my candidacy.

I think your biggest problem is that you care what other people think. Dude...WHO CARES. This is something you need to understand: It doesnt matter if people know you got rejected. There's no "shame." To hell with them, they have their lives, and you have YOUR life.

If you do have to reapply, think of it as an extra year to shore up your weaknesses, but also to get more experience, do clinical volunteering in different fields, etc.

And remember: if you do have to reapply, 10 years from now your esteemed colleagues will never know you got dinged the first time around. it won't matter. you will look back on this and think about how ridiculous it was to get so worked up about it. take it easy.
 
I think I have somewhere around 20 rejections at this point. 4 schools no news, 2 holds, 1 wait list. Odds are not looking good. I am now in the uncomfortable position of either committing to go to PCOM (I have a family friend who works there and says he can get me in) or facing the shame of a gap year and reapplication. I would easily put these past two weeks as the worst of my life. I'm likely going to graduate as valedictorian of my college class, and will have academic subordinates going to medical schools that rejected me all the way back in September. I feel absolutely depressed and humiliated at this point in my life.

I really wish someone had impressed upon me the importance of EC's, shadowing, and volunteer experience early on. I knew they were important, but I didn't know they were THAT important. Now, I'm trying to play frantic catch up in these final 6 months of college, hoping that one of these medical schools that still has me on hold will see my dedication and will reconsider my candidacy.

My parents did the same exact thing! Everyone in our social circle knew that I applied to medical school and didn't get in. Of course I felt humiliated initially but then I realized that it doesn't matter what other people think of me. Getting into medical is by no means easy and nobody has the right to judge me.

I know exactly how you're feeling right now because I was in the same position last year. I was near the top of my class and for whatever reason did not get in the first time around. Guess what, I reapplied and I made it!

Who is even going to remember that you took a gap year? Having to take a year off might seem like the worst possible thing right now but in retrospect you'll be glad that you did (I know I was). There are so many things you can do during your year off that you would never get the opportunity to do if you went to med school straight away. You can also use these next few months to get in all the EC's you need to to make your application stand out. It's a HUGE accomplishment to graduate as valedictorian so don't let these rejections define you. Who knows, you might even get into the school of your choice next year? Staying positive is the best thing you can do for yourself right now. It is natural to feel sad and dejected but you have to remember that getting into med school is sometimes a crapshoot process. If you take it personally you're bound to feel depressed.

Having said that, you still have a few schools left to hear back from so don't lose hope just yet! I wish you the best of luck! =)
 
Idk. I have never been this beaten down by life before, and I guess I'm just having difficulty 1) coming to grips with my situation and 2) knowing how to proceed from this point forward. The stress of these past few weeks far eclipsed the stress I ever endured studying in undergrad or prepping for the MCATs. It's really difficult to see something I worked so hard for slip through my fingers.

Things won't always go the way you want, that's life. Take some time off, recover, and if you decide that medicine is still what you really want to pursue you will make the additional effort to vastly improve your application for next cycle, just like many others are doing.
 
i got a rejection a few hours ago and with no IIs, the thought of reapplying has been weighing me down. it's very nice to read some encouraging words (even if they aren't met for me specifically) thanks and good luck to everyone who's still waiting 🙂
 
Idk. I have never been this beaten down by life before, and I guess I'm just having difficulty 1) coming to grips with my situation and 2) knowing how to proceed from this point forward. The stress of these past few weeks far eclipsed the stress I ever endured studying in undergrad or prepping for the MCATs. It's really difficult to see something I worked so hard for slip through my fingers.

Hey man, I and many of us here have been in the same situation that you are in now. I was one of the top students in my class too and in everybody's mind, there's no reason why I couldn't make it in. It's tough to see the bright side right now but this is a good character builder. When you're young and excelling in undergrad it can be easy to feel entitled to success and it's sobering to hear someone say "no" to you. I think experiencing this failure has made me a better person overall because it restored my humility. Just remember that if you have to reapply, you will just remember this time as a dark moment in your life but by no means the terrible tragedy that it seems like now. What you are feeling right now is normal though, you've somewhat defined yourself by this goal and it is disorienting to think that you won't be able to make it.

Plus, nobody who has been through an application cycle will ridicule you for not getting in. They all personally know how difficult and unfair this process can be.
 
Applying to medical school has been a rough road for many of us. For me, there's been a lot of self-reflection and personal growth during the process. All the rejections (two this week) have been very humbling. I'm slowly coming to terms with it all. I think I've definitely needed this kick of reality. Most importantly though, I've learned that there is no use in feeling shameful. Shame is just another form of fear. It holds us back because we're afraid of failure. I don't have a lot of hope left, but I'm trying to stay strong. Hold your head high; one day none of this will matter!

Good luck everyone, let the waiting continue.
 
Applying to medical school has been a rough road for many of us. For me, there's been a lot of self-reflection and personal growth during the process. All the rejections (two this week) have been very humbling. I'm slowly coming to terms with it all. I think I've definitely needed this kick of reality. Most importantly though, I've learned that there is no use in feeling shameful. Shame is just another form of fear. It holds us back because we're afraid of failure. I don't have a lot of hope left, but I'm trying to stay strong. Hold your head high; one day none of this will matter!

Good luck everyone, let the waiting continue.

All this neurotic waiting is career purgatory..if we can handle it med school should be a cakewalk, right?? :naughty:
 
First, let me say that we would all like to be admitted our first time around. We put our hats in the ring because we think we have what it takes, and we want to start our medical education. No one starts out shooting to apply two or more times, but trust me, it's not the end of the world.

Picture this: January 16, 2013. I just got back in town from my third and final interview of the season. I applied to 11 schools, got 7 secondaries, and 3 interviews. I eventually got 1 rejection and 2 wait lists from those interviews. As summer got closer and closer, my hopes for getting in off the wait lists dwindled. Since I work at the university where I did my post-bacc, I saw my letter-writing professors every day, and they all wanted to know if I had gotten in yet. I had to tell them many times that I had not. They eventually quit asking, and the whole situation had me down.

It became clear that I should prepare to reapply. I started rewriting my personal statement. It was crazy how much better my second one was. My career goals had crystallized much more clearly by this time. I had some good research and teaching under my belt. Not only did I have more to write about, but I had learned to write about it with more clarity.

I submitted my second AMCAS at 9:32 AM on opening day (and AACOMAS not much later). I got verified that day. I applied to 40 schools (probably more than needed, but money was less of an object this time around). I received 36 secondaries and returned 33. I hit the interview trail in August, and this time around, it was very different. I had tons more confidence because I knew what to expect. It made it easier to socialize with other interviewees, med students, and faculty. I was way more relaxed in the interview room, and that drastically improved the quality of my interviews.

My first acceptance came from MSUCOM in October, and my second from my state school about two weeks later. I got a third about a month after that. I started cancelling interviews and withdrawing apps. What a surreal feeling. I'd worked so hard to get some love from these schools, but now I had acceptances in hand from more desirable schools.

I got 12 interview invites by mid-November, then I withdrew most of my apps after the third acceptance. I attended 5 interviews. Of those, I got 2 acceptances, one wait list, one continued consideration, and I'm waiting to hear from one other.

The gap year/reapplication thing was not my first choice, but I was able to approach the application process with a lot more confidence. I had a lot of time for introspection, and that helped me develop my secondary answers more and improved my interview skills significantly. Perhaps most importantly, the emotional roller coaster is not nearly as bad this time around.

I would love to be starting my second semester of medical school right now, but I'm not. That's just not the way things played out. But I have played more guitar in the past couple of months than I have in quite awhile. I can go running after I come home from a job I love (and I'll hate to leave this summer). I have been able to visit my parents and nieces more often since I'm not in class. I also have more time to spend with my wife since my nose isn't always in a book. My reapplication year has not been half bad.

I'm not saying everyone should give up hope. Interviews will still be going out from some schools for another couple of months. What I am saying is that reapplying isn't the end of the world. Don't worry about shame and all that nonsense. Be smart. Have a plan for next year. With any luck, you can scrap your plan when you get accepted to med school this spring. I am rooting for all you guys (and girls).

TL;DR Reapplying is not ideal, but it's not the end of your life as you know it.
 
First, let me say that we would all like to be admitted our first time around. We put our hats in the ring because we think we have what it takes, and we want to start our medical education. No one starts out shooting to apply two or more times, but trust me, it's not the end of the world.

Picture this: January 16, 2013. I just got back in town from my third and final interview of the season. I applied to 11 schools, got 7 secondaries, and 3 interviews. I eventually got 1 rejection and 2 wait lists from those interviews. As summer got closer and closer, my hopes for getting in off the wait lists dwindled. Since I work at the university where I did my post-bacc, I saw my letter-writing professors every day, and they all wanted to know if I had gotten in yet. I had to tell them many times that I had not. They eventually quit asking, and the whole situation had me down.

It became clear that I should prepare to reapply. I started rewriting my personal statement. It was crazy how much better my second one was. My career goals had crystallized much more clearly by this time. I had some good research and teaching under my belt. Not only did I have more to write about, but I had learned to write about it with more clarity.

I submitted my second AMCAS at 9:32 AM on opening day (and AACOMAS not much later). I got verified that day. I applied to 40 schools (probably more than needed, but money was less of an object this time around). I received 36 secondaries and returned 33. I hit the interview trail in August, and this time around, it was very different. I had tons more confidence because I knew what to expect. It made it easier to socialize with other interviewees, med students, and faculty. I was way more relaxed in the interview room, and that drastically improved the quality of my interviews.

My first acceptance came from MSUCOM in October, and my second from my state school about two weeks later. I got a third about a month after that. I started cancelling interviews and withdrawing apps. What a surreal feeling. I'd worked so hard to get some love from these schools, but now I had acceptances in hand from more desirable schools.

I got 12 interview invites by mid-November, then I withdrew most of my apps after the third acceptance. I attended 5 interviews. Of those, I got 2 acceptances, one wait list, one continued consideration, and I'm waiting to hear from one other.

The gap year/reapplication thing was not my first choice, but I was able to approach the application process with a lot more confidence. I had a lot of time for introspection, and that helped me develop my secondary answers more and improved my interview skills significantly. Perhaps most importantly, the emotional roller coaster is not nearly as bad this time around.

I would love to be starting my second semester of medical school right now, but I'm not. That's just not the way things played out. But I have played more guitar in the past couple of months than I have in quite awhile. I can go running after I come home from a job I love (and I'll hate to leave this summer). I have been able to visit my parents and nieces more often since I'm not in class. I also have more time to spend with my wife since my nose isn't always in a book. My reapplication year has not been half bad.

I'm not saying everyone should give up hope. Interviews will still be going out from some schools for another couple of months. What I am saying is that reapplying isn't the end of the world. Don't worry about shame and all that nonsense. Be smart. Have a plan for next year. With any luck, you can scrap your plan when you get accepted to med school this spring. I am rooting for all you guys (and girls).

TL;DR Reapplying is not ideal, but it's not the end of your life as you know it.

Great story, many congrats on getting in this time around!
 
I applied to twelve schools and completed every secondary by the first week of August.

My LizzyM is 74 with a strong upward trend (no grade lower than an A- since 2010).

Went through eight drafts of my personal statement and have very strong LORs.

500+ hours of clinical experience and thousands of hours of work experience (worked full-time throughout college).

I do have a couple of holes in my application - limited research and shadowing - but other than that I thought everything looked pretty good.

I hope I don't come across like an entitled jerk, but I just don't understand why I haven't had any luck this cycle. While I am thinking about reapplying, there aren't any really obvious ways that I could dramatically improve my application. Engaged in research right now, but I won't be published in time for next cycle. I'm also turning 30 soon and the idea of waiting another year is less than appealing.

Is there anything I'm missing here other than the aforementioned research and shadowing? Would working as a CNA or EMT for the next six months be beneficial? And how bad is the reapplicant stigma? Is a few hundred hours of research considered a "significant improvement" or would my app just end up in the garbage if I reapplied to schools that have already rejected me?

Thanks,
Bill
 
I applied to twelve schools and completed every secondary by the first week of August.

My LizzyM is 74 with a strong upward trend (no grade lower than an A- since 2010).

Went through eight drafts of my personal statement and have very strong LORs.

500+ hours of clinical experience and thousands of hours of work experience (worked full-time throughout college).

I do have a couple of holes in my application - limited research and shadowing - but other than that I thought everything looked pretty good.

I hope I don't come across like an entitled jerk, but I just don't understand why I haven't had any luck this cycle. While I am thinking about reapplying, there aren't any really obvious ways that I could dramatically improve my application. Engaged in research right now, but I won't be published in time for next cycle. I'm also turning 30 soon and the idea of waiting another year is less than appealing.

Is there anything I'm missing here other than the aforementioned research and shadowing? Would working as a CNA or EMT for the next six months be beneficial? And how bad is the reapplicant stigma? Is a few hundred hours of research considered a "significant improvement" or would my app just end up in the garbage if I reapplied to schools that have already rejected me?

Thanks,
Bill
I am in a very similar situation to you - lack of research and limited shadowing. And I did apply somewhat late, AMCAS verified in early October. So far only rejections and silence, so it seems that these two are pretty important boxes to check. If things don't work out this cycle, I'll have significant updates on both areas next year.
 
I applied to twelve schools and completed every secondary by the first week of August.

My LizzyM is 74 with a strong upward trend (no grade lower than an A- since 2010).

Went through eight drafts of my personal statement and have very strong LORs.

500+ hours of clinical experience and thousands of hours of work experience (worked full-time throughout college).

I do have a couple of holes in my application - limited research and shadowing - but other than that I thought everything looked pretty good.

I hope I don't come across like an entitled jerk, but I just don't understand why I haven't had any luck this cycle. While I am thinking about reapplying, there aren't any really obvious ways that I could dramatically improve my application. Engaged in research right now, but I won't be published in time for next cycle. I'm also turning 30 soon and the idea of waiting another year is less than appealing.

Is there anything I'm missing here other than the aforementioned research and shadowing? Would working as a CNA or EMT for the next six months be beneficial? And how bad is the reapplicant stigma? Is a few hundred hours of research considered a "significant improvement" or would my app just end up in the garbage if I reapplied to schools that have already rejected me?

Thanks,
Bill

Did you apply to top-heavy schools? Perhaps this wasn't mentioned but even with a good LizzyM and clinical experience you still should have some EC's outside of academics/medicine. Have you done any non-clinical volunteering or participated in clubs back in college?
Others can attest to this, but your chances of getting in do diminish if you do not get in the first time. However with a stronger application and strategic school selection you should be able to compensate for it.
 
Even with 0 interviews I'm telling myself that there are still interview invites to be had (especially with all the delays of AMCAS this year)...every year there are hundreds of people who don't get an interview until January or later and are still accepted. Let's all stay positive and remain cautiously optimistic.
 
Been to two interviews and both led to waitlists. I am still waiting to hear from eight more schools, and its very hard to stay positive atm.
At least they weren't both rejections! Make sure you contact the schools and ask if they accept update letters. Good luck!
 
I applied to twelve schools and completed every secondary by the first week of August.

My LizzyM is 74 with a strong upward trend (no grade lower than an A- since 2010).

Went through eight drafts of my personal statement and have very strong LORs.

500+ hours of clinical experience and thousands of hours of work experience (worked full-time throughout college).

I do have a couple of holes in my application - limited research and shadowing - but other than that I thought everything looked pretty good.

I hope I don't come across like an entitled jerk, but I just don't understand why I haven't had any luck this cycle. While I am thinking about reapplying, there aren't any really obvious ways that I could dramatically improve my application. Engaged in research right now, but I won't be published in time for next cycle. I'm also turning 30 soon and the idea of waiting another year is less than appealing.

Is there anything I'm missing here other than the aforementioned research and shadowing? Would working as a CNA or EMT for the next six months be beneficial? And how bad is the reapplicant stigma? Is a few hundred hours of research considered a "significant improvement" or would my app just end up in the garbage if I reapplied to schools that have already rejected me?

Thanks,
Bill
Shadowing/CNA/EMT obviously won' hurt, but you already have 500+ hours of clinical experience. Research will help, you don't have to be published (maybe just get your PI to write you a stellar LOR). From everything you have said the only hole I see is volunteering. Try to get involved in some volunteer work or community out reach. Activities that demonstrate your desire to serve your community. GL bro.
 
At least they weren't both rejections! Make sure you contact the schools and ask if they accept update letters. Good luck!
Thanks, I know but it still stings especially when there's not a lot of movement in the waitlist. Nevertheless I will hang in there.
 
I applied to twelve schools and completed every secondary by the first week of August.

My LizzyM is 74 with a strong upward trend (no grade lower than an A- since 2010).

Went through eight drafts of my personal statement and have very strong LORs.

500+ hours of clinical experience and thousands of hours of work experience (worked full-time throughout college).

I do have a couple of holes in my application - limited research and shadowing - but other than that I thought everything looked pretty good.

I hope I don't come across like an entitled jerk, but I just don't understand why I haven't had any luck this cycle. While I am thinking about reapplying, there aren't any really obvious ways that I could dramatically improve my application. Engaged in research right now, but I won't be published in time for next cycle. I'm also turning 30 soon and the idea of waiting another year is less than appealing.

Is there anything I'm missing here other than the aforementioned research and shadowing? Would working as a CNA or EMT for the next six months be beneficial? And how bad is the reapplicant stigma? Is a few hundred hours of research considered a "significant improvement" or would my app just end up in the garbage if I reapplied to schools that have already rejected me?

Thanks,
Bill

Like someone else said it could be lack of volunteering or activities outside academics and medicine. Perhaps your personal statement came off as insincere (it is also possible to over edit)? How well did you research the schools you applied to? Even some "lower tier" schools have specific things that they like to see.

good luck if you do have to reapply!
 
Did you apply to top-heavy schools? Perhaps this wasn't mentioned but even with a good LizzyM and clinical experience you still should have some EC's outside of academics/medicine. Have you done any non-clinical volunteering or participated in clubs back in college?
Others can attest to this, but your chances of getting in do diminish if you do not get in the first time. However with a stronger application and strategic school selection you should be able to compensate for it.

Thanks, Wonton (and wannabeMD).

One of my regrets is not including at least a couple of "Hobbies" on AMCAS. I had some empty slots that I definitely should have used. That said, being a black belt in BJJ or teaching martial arts to kids don't seem like the kinds of activities that would make or break my application.

I have done some non-clinical volunteering - specifically, working at an animal shelter - but I didn't include it because I didn't want to give off the impression that I was "fluffing" my application. Again - probably a mistake. If I have to reapply, I'll definitely use one slot for that.

I feel like I applied to a pretty broad range of schools. Many had LizzyM averages well below mine and the majority had mission statements that were consistent with my career goals. I did apply to two reaches - Stanford and UCSF - but I figured that the other ten were in my ballpark. I guess I should have just bitten the bullet and applied to 20+ schools...

Appreciate your advice.

-Bill

Edit: I should clarify that my 500+ hours of clinical experience was all volunteer work. My full-time job is non-clinical.
 
Thanks, Wonton (and wannabeMD).

One of my regrets is not including at least a couple of "Hobbies" on AMCAS. I had some empty slots that I definitely should have used. That said, being a black belt in BJJ or teaching martial arts to kids don't seem like the kinds of activities that would make or break my application.

I have done some non-clinical volunteering - specifically, working at an animal shelter - but I didn't include it because I didn't want to give off the impression that I was "fluffing" my application. Again - probably a mistake. If I have to reapply, I'll definitely use one slot for that.

I feel like I applied to a pretty broad range of schools. Many had LizzyM averages well below mine and the majority had mission statements that were consistent with my career goals. I did apply to two reaches - Stanford and UCSF - but I figured that the other ten were in my ballpark. I guess I should have just bitten the bullet and applied to 20+ schools...

Appreciate your advice.

-Bill

Edit: I should clarify that my 500+ hours of clinical experience was all volunteer work. My full-time job is non-clinical.

I only think the animal shelter stuff would be fluffing if you've done sparingly. If it's something you've been doing consistently for awhile it's most definitely a legitimate slot that could bolster your application. Not sure what schools you applied to also, but make sure to include some relative "safeties" as well as schools that incorporate a more holistic review of your app, as you are technically non-traditional.
 
A bunch of people who interviewed about a week before, the day of, and a week after my interview date have heard from the last school I interviewed at, but it's still silence for me. Really worried, especially since I'm OOS.
 
Every school is different, but since II's can come until February (and even March), I am trying not to be overcome by negativity. AMCAS processed applications slower this year, so perhaps there are many more II's to be given out.

I heard back only from the first school I interviewed at. A reject. And the other schools have been silent post-interview, including the ones that already gave out 1-2 waves of acceptances. I feel ya, @EthylMethylMan. Filling out financial aid forms and preparing for the next application cycle have been keeping me sane, although I really hope to get accepted this cycle.

Such slowness. Much stress.
 
29 schools applied. Mass rejections. Multiples silences. 3 interviews. 1 post-interview rejection. 2 post-interview twiddling of thumbs..

Depressing... but everytime I look at this picture it brightens my day and makes me giggle like a little school girl. I hope it brightens everybody else's days too.
wVoDSgL.jpg


Let's all persevere!!! 🙂
 
29 schools applied. Mass rejections. Multiples silences. 3 interviews. 1 post-interview rejection. 2 post-interview twiddling of thumbs..

Depressing... but everytime I look at this picture it brightens my day and makes me giggle like a little school girl. I hope it brightens everybody else's days too.
wVoDSgL.jpg


Let's all persevere!!! 🙂

:claps:
 
Received an email this morning from a school where I have an interview in March saying that they have filled all of their seats as well as their extra seats. They will still interview till march and place people on alternate list which they will go back to in may. Really bummed out about this 🙁😢
 
29 schools applied. Mass rejections. Multiples silences. 3 interviews. 1 post-interview rejection. 2 post-interview twiddling of thumbs..

Depressing... but everytime I look at this picture it brightens my day and makes me giggle like a little school girl. I hope it brightens everybody else's days too.
wVoDSgL.jpg


Let's all persevere!!! 🙂


We share a striking number of similarities. Let's hope that we will get some good news by the end of January!!
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