2014-2015 Waitlist Support Group

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I work with a good number of medical students and many of them had a "was accepted June/July off waitlist" story to my nearby school, definitely a small number but kept my hope slightly alive lol.

Btw @BeachBlondie I remember you being quite active on the MCAT message boards during Summer 2013 and then again January 2014 (when I took my test lol) refreshing seeing a familiar user! I'm more of a lurker so I never posted much. Wish you the best for the cycle!

Hi!

Yeah, my dad had emergency open-heart surgery right before that Summer 2013 exam. Obviously, I cancelled it and flew home; ended up taking the exam in April of 2014.

Best of luck to you, as well! It seems that every step in the process thins the herd a bit more each time. Glad to see that you've endured 😀
 
Schools have been calling applicants. A friend got a call from Drexel recently for holding 2 acceptances. They called the second day lol.
 
This is kind of a funny question (not really funny but you the point), but do you guys think schools share LOI's with other schools?
 
This is kind of a funny question (not really funny but you the point), but do you guys think schools share LOI's with other schools?
It would be hilarious and totally redundant!
 
This is kind of a funny question (not really funny but you the point), but do you guys think schools share LOI's with other schools?

They prob have an email filter for "letter of intent" that goes straight to spam lol. Yet we will still write them. Cause that's what we do.
 
Does anyone have any news about Toledo and Ohio University moving people off of their waitlist? Sorry if it has already been posted, I don't feel like drudging through 16 pages!
 
Schools have been calling applicants. A friend got a call from Drexel recently for holding 2 acceptances. They called the second day lol.
Really, ofc it's Drexel. I wish there was something anyone could do about schools like this. They dropped the ball....several times this cycle, yet expect applicants to play by the rules.

Begin rant:
1a. Secondaries took a lot longer to send out (started like mid-Aug) and once they were,
1b. there was no discernible order (i.e. not dependent on verification date). People verified in June/July didn't receive it until late Sept, by which point II's were booked pretty far out...
1c. And their server for secondaries felt like it was re-purposed hardware from the 90's. Incredibly slow and errors that would not allow you to submit.
1d. Some member miraculously changed from secondary "complete" back to "incomplete" and had to resubmit.
2. Don't even get me started on silent rejections. Some have not yet received a Pre-II decision and "Put on hold for spring" applicants are still holding - though I guess technically spring ends in June 🙄.
3a. Despite their system of "receive a decision approx. 8 weeks after interviewing", it still took them 10 weeks to update my status to "a decision has been made" at which point they mail you a decision that takes at least 10 business days to mail it 15miles. I feel like they pay the post office to deliver it slowly.
3b. In turn this lead to applicants that interviewed in March just receiving their post-II decision in May! So maybe the April interviewees will have decisions by June? :poke:
4. Receptionists have claimed that waitlist movement has both "already started" and "has not started, but should start next week" despite the fact that it would seem March and April interviews were not strictly for the WL. Otherwise it should take about 5 seconds to make a final decision: WL or reject. Though I'll admit, at best this is still speculation.

And in the midst of ALL this, they find the time to call out applicants for holding 2 acceptances. I can't even...
/end rant.
 
While I was on hiatus (one day!) Cornell went crazy and UCI continues to send out a significant number of acceptances.
Also noteworthy were: BU and Albany.
gyngyn, when you post these are you referring to acceptances that were emailed out, or confirmations of people accepting the spot? How would you be able to track when schools offer spots to students since the students don't have to accept the waitlist position?
 
gyngyn: has there been significant movement at Jeff? Thanks so much.
 
Really, ofc it's Drexel. I wish there was something anyone could do about schools like this. They dropped the ball....several times this cycle, yet expect applicants to play by the rules.
.........
And in the midst of ALL this, they find the time to call out applicants for holding 2 acceptances. I can't even...
/end rant.

It's almost as if this were a nightmarishly complex logistical challenge, where thousands of people are applying for a hundred or so seats, which is administered by department of people who may not always manage to be exactly on the same page.

We only have to do the application cycle once, if we are lucky, maybe a handful of times. For the people who work in admissions... it never ends. Just as one cycle is finally wrapping up, here comes the next cohort, all just as neurotic as the last. And at least some of the rules change every year, so it isn't even as if they have an opportunity for the repetition to eventually yield perfection. As for not going in first come, first serve order... they may have a different internal sorting procedure of which you are not aware.

I get that you are maybe just blowing off steam, but your tone comes across as maybe a little less mature than you might have intended.
 
Really, ofc it's Drexel. I wish there was something anyone could do about schools like this. They dropped the ball....several times this cycle, yet expect applicants to play by the rules.

Begin rant:
1a. Secondaries took a lot longer to send out (started like mid-Aug) and once they were,
1b. there was no discernible order (i.e. not dependent on verification date). People verified in June/July didn't receive it until late Sept, by which point II's were booked pretty far out...
1c. And their server for secondaries felt like it was re-purposed hardware from the 90's. Incredibly slow and errors that would not allow you to submit.
1d. Some member miraculously changed from secondary "complete" back to "incomplete" and had to resubmit.
2. Don't even get me started on silent rejections. Some have not yet received a Pre-II decision and "Put on hold for spring" applicants are still holding - though I guess technically spring ends in June 🙄.
3a. Despite their system of "receive a decision approx. 8 weeks after interviewing", it still took them 10 weeks to update my status to "a decision has been made" at which point they mail you a decision that takes at least 10 business days to mail it 15miles. I feel like they pay the post office to deliver it slowly.
3b. In turn this lead to applicants that interviewed in March just receiving their post-II decision in May! So maybe the April interviewees will have decisions by June? :poke:
4. Receptionists have claimed that waitlist movement has both "already started" and "has not started, but should start next week" despite the fact that it would seem March and April interviews were not strictly for the WL. Otherwise it should take about 5 seconds to make a final decision: WL or reject. Though I'll admit, at best this is still speculation.

And in the midst of ALL this, they find the time to call out applicants for holding 2 acceptances. I can't even...
/end rant.

Yeah it makes me sad that all this happened with Drexel. I called so many times at the beginning about getting my secondary and each time someone on the phone would tell me I would get it in 24 hours and then another week would pass. By the time I finally got it and filled it out it was early September. Then I got put on pre-interview hold back in mid-december and it has been silent ever since. Sucks because I was really interested in Drexel. Oh well.

Anyways today is May 15th so any excuses about committees not being aware of the new deadline are null and void after today. Here's to a bit of renewed hoping!!!
 
It's almost as if this were a nightmarishly complex logistical challenge, where thousands of people are applying for a hundred or so seats, which is administered by department of people who may not always manage to be exactly on the same page.

We only have to do the application cycle once, if we are lucky, maybe a handful of times. For the people who work in admissions... it never ends. Just as one cycle is finally wrapping up, here comes the next cohort, all just as neurotic as the last. And at least some of the rules change every year, so it isn't even as if they have an opportunity for the repetition to eventually yield perfection. As for not going in first come, first serve order... they may have a different internal sorting procedure of which you are not aware.

I get that you are maybe just blowing off steam, but your tone comes across as maybe a little less mature than you might have intended.
I think OP has every right to be annoyed though. Yes, it's a difficult job for people in admissions, but there are so many other schools that do a much better job of it than Drexel did.

Also, I don't exactly feel sorry for them for the fact that "it never ends" for them. They are getting paid to do this after all...
 
Northwestern had some movement over the past couple days
 
gyngyn, when you post these are you referring to acceptances that were emailed out, or confirmations of people accepting the spot? How would you be able to track when schools offer spots to students since the students don't have to accept the waitlist position?
My posts only refer to positions offered.
 
Also, I don't exactly feel sorry for them for the fact that "it never ends" for them. They are getting paid to do this after all...
Not in $. Our chairmen allow us time to participate (or we do it on our own time). It's an honor.
 
I think OP has every right to be annoyed though. Yes, it's a difficult job for people in admissions, but there are so many other schools that do a much better job of it than Drexel did.

Also, I don't exactly feel sorry for them for the fact that "it never ends" for them. They are getting paid to do this after all...

I hear you. Just, I try to see things from both sides. Everything is always frustrating from our end, because so much of this process involves being completely in the dark about matters of great importance to our futures. Though, I've worked in a few administrative kinds of positions, both for pay and as a volunteer. It gives me compassion and a sense of awe at how frequently it all goes right!
 
Looking for some input. MCAT 31. undergrad GPA 3.3. Just finishing an SMP with approx a 3.97 GPA. Currently waitlisted at the university where attending the SMP. Only hope before applying again this cycle. So my question is would you take your MCAT again? What would you do with your GAP year? Only wants to apply MD.
 
Looking for some input. MCAT 31. undergrad GPA 3.3. Just finishing an SMP with approx a 3.97 GPA. Currently waitlisted at the university where attending the SMP. Only hope before applying again this cycle. So my question is would you take your MCAT again? What would you do with your GAP year? Only wants to apply MD.
I received the advice this year that the MCAT score is the single easiest thing to change about your application, since you can make a difference in one sitting. That said, there are two limiting factors -- (1) it's late now to get a score for the next cycle and (2) it's a vastly different test which you've probably not prepared for. That said, your GPA from this year now figures into your raw application numbers, whereas in the last cycle it was probably all in updates.
Are there other elements of your application that you can vastly change--perhaps you've had more clinical and research experiences since the last application? Publications? New (and hopefully more valuable) LoRs? And what about changing your list of target schools?
I'm curious what the pros on this forum will say to this. I feel like this brief generation is really poorly served by the change in MCAT format since it so limits our ability to improve as reapplicants.
Good luck!
 
I received the advice this year that the MCAT score is the single easiest thing to change about your application, since you can make a difference in one sitting. That said, there are two limiting factors -- (1) it's late now to get a score for the next cycle and (2) it's a vastly different test which you've probably not prepared for. That said, your GPA from this year now figures into your raw application numbers, whereas in the last cycle it was probably all in updates.
Are there other elements of your application that you can vastly change--perhaps you've had more clinical and research experiences since the last application? Publications? New (and hopefully more valuable) LoRs? And what about changing your list of target schools?
I'm curious what the pros on this forum will say to this. I feel like this brief generation is really poorly served by the change in MCAT format since it so limits our ability to improve as reapplicants.
Good luck!

There is also a lot of risk with retaking the MCAT. In particular with it being a new exam, you could feasibly do worse on it, and if that happens it will really hurt your chances. I think you have a completely viable shot of being accepted with your current MCAT (assuming you have no scores below an 8), so I would not take the risk of retaking.
 
Looking for some input. MCAT 31. undergrad GPA 3.3. Just finishing an SMP with approx a 3.97 GPA. Currently waitlisted at the university where attending the SMP. Only hope before applying again this cycle. So my question is would you take your MCAT again? What would you do with your GAP year? Only wants to apply MD.

I would not retake that mcat score to be completely honest with you. Your SMP gpa is solid combined with that. I think if you are re-applying you should look to other parts of your application for improvement. I might even start by talking to some of the schools that rejected you (assuming there are some of those) and seeing what elements your app could have used more of (some schools even invite you to do this). I have spent my gap year in a clinical job and it has really been huge for me. Really shows that you are making an effort to understand different perspectives in healthcare.

If you are worried about the old mcat being valid there is a helpful list by the AAMC. I think I posted it before but: https://www.aamc.org/students/download/398586/data/mcatexampolicy.pdf

Best of luck!
 
Not in $. Our chairmen allow us time to participate (or we do it on our own time). It's an honor.
I was more referring to the administrative people who are responsible for disseminating secondaries and doing all the computer-related stuff. It seems like the problem with Drexel was not due to people on the ADCOM, but more like employees of the admissions office if that makes sense. Of course, I don't have insider perspective on this but I am assuming that there are office workers who take care of the more technical stuff, correct?
 
It's almost as if this were a nightmarishly complex logistical challenge, where thousands of people are applying for a hundred or so seats, which is administered by department of people who may not always manage to be exactly on the same page.

We only have to do the application cycle once, if we are lucky, maybe a handful of times. For the people who work in admissions... it never ends. Just as one cycle is finally wrapping up, here comes the next cohort, all just as neurotic as the last. And at least some of the rules change every year, so it isn't even as if they have an opportunity for the repetition to eventually yield perfection. As for not going in first come, first serve order... they may have a different internal sorting procedure of which you are not aware.

I get that you are maybe just blowing off steam, but your tone comes across as maybe a little less mature than you might have intended.
In order of bolded.
So you mean like all the other 150 schools? Sure Drexel is among the schools that get the most applicants, but there are plenty of 10k+ app schools that do it well. And I'm all about second chances if there's a hiccup or two and I understand departments aren't necessarily autonomous - but when there's more than just 1 or 2 and they find the time to call out applicants at the very first instance, that's where my beef is.

I'm not asking for perfection, I'm asking for a reasonable timeline (keeping in mind that it's rolling admissions). One that doesn't involve 2+ months to receive a decision, especially for late interviewees. And the change in rules doesn't seem to have affected them considering how quick they were to inform the applicant.

Fair enough, but isn't that the entire purpose of a rolling admissions?

Perhaps, but I expect an admissions department to be able to handle admissions...14k apps * $100/secondary = $1.4M. I know the AdCom is not paid for their service, but admissions offices certainly have full-time paid staff which (I suspect) includes the dean or director of admissions to handle the logistics. And logistics seem to be at the core of each of my complaints. Their schedule just seems poorly organized - perpetually behind on updating applicants about their status, yet take the time to monitor and contact applicants and call them out for being late.

@sundancing beat me to most of my rebuttals and I absolutely agree with his/her sentiments. With that, I won't derail the thread anymore. I'm happy to continue via PM if you'd like.
 
Lol so this seems to actually be true based on my n=1. I literally just got off the phone with an ADCOM to discuss my application for next cycle and they were 100% under the impression you could hold multiple acceptances until May 15th.
I remember from one of the acceptance that I received that mentioned that I have till 5/15 to decide ..maybe all schools are not following the 4/30 deadline
 
The 2 waitlists i'm on have come to a screeching halt... guess i'm in it for the long haul, makes re-studying for the MCAT and starting the new AMCAS all the harder. 🙁
 
Anyone know of any waitlist movement at Midwestern University Chicago (CCOM)??
 
Anyone know of any waitlist movement at Midwestern University Chicago (CCOM)??
Not relevant to this thread. MD and DO are different application systems. So MD adcom are unable to see DO wait lists and acceptances. Good luck and I hope you get off the wait list!
 
Ours is entitled: Love Letters.
Do these "love letters" have any positive impact for raising the profile of applicants on the WL? In recent weeks med schools have contacted WL applicants to see if they were still interested in remaining on the WL. If WL applicants add updates in the comment section, would that be sufficient, in your opinion? Or should a Letter of Intent to the applicant's first choice school be sent as well? It's confusing when med schools tell applicants not to send LOI's but otoh it seems like they do accept and read them. So the applicants who follow the stated rules may end up looking dis-interested by comparison.
 
Do these "love letters" have any positive impact for raising the profile of applicants on the WL? In recent weeks med schools have contacted WL applicants to see if they were still interested in remaining on the WL. If WL applicants add updates in the comment section, would that be sufficient, in your opinion? Or should a Letter of Intent to the applicant's first choice school be sent as well? It's confusing when med schools tell applicants not to send LOI's but otoh it seems like they do accept and read them. So the applicants who follow the stated rules may end up looking dis-interested by comparison.
If a school asks if you're interested in remaining on the wait list (at many schools) they're asking you "Do you want to come here?" Which is why people are often accepted the next day. Writing letters honestly almost certainly does nothing. For ex. I've been accepted at 3 schools. These were also the only 3 I never wrote thank you notes to (forgot/burned out). 2 I didn't write any letters to. The other I wrote 1 update letter to. The schools I wrote more than 1 letter haven't contacted me.

Now this is anecdotal, but if the effect is there it must be quite small. Plenty of applicants get off the wait list without writing a single letter or even update post interview. My friend got into a top 10 4 months after the interview without sending them anything, and got off the wait list at a top 5 without sending anything.

If they want someone they'll admit them. If you spent money to interview there and are still on the wait list the assumption is that you're still interested. Best advice is to just relax. Not because it will work out perfectly and everyone will get their #1, but because there is nothing you can do at this stage to sway adcoms beyond updating them on something substantial. A paper publication, a national award etc. not an A in art history.

The only case for letters of intent is when you are holding an acceptance at a higher ranking school and want to go to a lower ranked school.

This process sucks, but many will be accepted going forward, and some of my friends going to top 10s were re-applicants.
 
Not relevant to this thread. MD and DO are different application systems. So MD adcom are unable to see DO wait lists and acceptances. Good luck and I hope you get off the wait list!
Whoops. I just saw waitlist support group I didn't know this was only MD schools. Thanks.
 
If a school asks if you're interested in remaining on the wait list (at many schools) they're asking you "Do you want to come here?" Which is why people are often accepted the next day. Writing letters honestly almost certainly does nothing. For ex. I've been accepted at 3 schools. These were also the only 3 I never wrote thank you notes to (forgot/burned out). 2 I didn't write any letters to. The other I wrote 1 update letter to. The schools I wrote more than 1 letter haven't contacted me.

Now this is anecdotal, but if the effect is there it must be quite small. Plenty of applicants get off the wait list without writing a single letter or even update post interview. My friend got into a top 10 4 months after the interview without sending them anything, and got off the wait list at a top 5 without sending anything.

If they want someone they'll admit them. If you spent money to interview there and are still on the wait list the assumption is that you're still interested. Best advice is to just relax. Not because it will work out perfectly and everyone will get their #1, but because there is nothing you can do at this stage to sway adcoms beyond updating them on something substantial. A paper publication, a national award etc. not an A in art history.

ing an acceptance at a higher ranking school and wanThe only case for letters of intent is when you are holdt to go to a lower ranked school.

This process sucks, but many will be accepted going forward, and some of my friends going to top 10s were re-applicants.
 
Thank you, resiroth, for your guidance. The case you mention for writing a LOI is my situation. But since WL movement has been limited thus far, perhaps it might be best to sit tight a bit longer to see what happens.
 
Thank you, resiroth, for your guidance. The case you mention for writing a LOI is my situation. But since WL movement has been limited thus far, perhaps it might be best to sit tight a bit longer to see what happens.

If you've been accepted to a higher rank school and wish to matriculate at a lower ranked school you're on the waitlist at I would send your letter of intent. They will be reluctant to admit someone that already has an acceptance to a higher tier school, as on average they likely don't successfully "poach" the applicant.
 
Do these "love letters" have any positive impact for raising the profile of applicants on the WL? In recent weeks med schools have contacted WL applicants to see if they were still interested in remaining on the WL. If WL applicants add updates in the comment section, would that be sufficient, in your opinion? Or should a Letter of Intent to the applicant's first choice school be sent as well? It's confusing when med schools tell applicants not to send LOI's but otoh it seems like they do accept and read them. So the applicants who follow the stated rules may end up looking dis-interested by comparison.
The only thing we want to know is whether you prefer us to where you are holding an acceptance. That is what is meant when you are asked about remaining on the waitlist. At this point an opinion regarding your suitability compared to other waitlist candidates has already been made. Now only your accessibility is being evaluated. If you are holding no acceptances, access is clear. If you are holding someplace "better" or cheaper it is reasonable to make it so.
 
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Gyngyn, in your experience do you continue to see steady wait list movement for the next few weeks? Or are we far enough out from the traffic deadline that most of the major waves for acceptances have already passed?
 
The more I read about uci going crazy on acceptances, the more I feel that I'm at the bottom of the wait list T__T
 
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