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Hey fam!

So I'm applying for the 2021 cycle and currently thinking about where I should apply. I am aiming for top 10 to 20 schools, but I would like to know if you guys think I have a chance for them. My main concern is my lackluster research experience, but let me know what you think! Really appreciate this and thanks in advance!!



Numbers:

cgpa: 3.82

sgpa: 3.71

mcat: 520




URM Status:

African American Female

State of Residence:

North Carolina


ECs:

Clinical Volunteering: 400 hrs in hospice

Shadowing: 150 hrs in an African country and 100 hrs in the US

Non-Clinical Volunteering: 800hrs

- National medical chapter at my school: 2 yrs

- Food Recovery Network: 1.5 yrs

- Pre-Med Mentor at my school for 1 yr

- Healthcare admin volunteer at a free hospital in an African country for 5 yrs. (2 yrs of this I did in the African country and 3 yrs of this I did virtually in the US.)

- ACT Tutor for one year

- Working on my own non-profit org to help girls in rural sides of a certain African country attend school by supplying them with certain supplies. I was raised in this country and went to high school there as well, so I am collaborating with people in my high school to make this org work. ( going to focus on this work a lot on my app)



Research:

1000hrs over 6 months. Worked full time. No papers, abstracts or posters :( Might have more hours for this. (but not too sure)



Leadership

Pre-Med Club: 1 yr as a leader (we didn't really have titles lol)

Student Government: 2 yrs as student representative

Another big club: 1 yr as secretary



Work:

2000+ hrs ( data intern, call center worker, lab assistant, teaching assistant, academic coach..etc) All mainly during undergrad



LORs:

- Committee Letter from two science profs and two non-science profs

- Research Coordinator maybe
 

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Hey fam!

So I'm applying for the 2021 cycle and currently thinking about where I should apply. I am aiming for top 10 to 20 schools, but I would like to know if you guys think I have a chance for them. My main concern is my lackluster research experience, but let me know what you think! Really appreciate this and thanks in advance!!



Numbers:

cgpa: 3.82

sgpa: 3.71

mcat: 520




URM Status:

African American Female

State of Residence:

North Carolina


ECs:

Clinical Volunteering: 400 hrs in hospice

Shadowing: 150 hrs in an African country and 100 hrs in the US

Non-Clinical Volunteering: 800hrs

- National medical chapter at my school: 2 yrs

- Food Recovery Network: 1.5 yrs

- Pre-Med Mentor at my school for 1 yr

- Healthcare admin volunteer at a free hospital in an African country for 5 yrs. (2 yrs of this I did in the African country and 3 yrs of this I did virtually in the US.)

- ACT Tutor for one year

- Working on my own non-profit org to help girls in rural sides of a certain African country attend school by supplying them with certain supplies. I was raised in this country and went to high school there as well, so I am collaborating with people in my high school to make this org work. ( going to focus on this work a lot on my app)



Research:

1000hrs over 6 months. Worked full time. No papers, abstracts or posters :( Might have more hours for this. (but not too sure)



Leadership

Pre-Med Club: 1 yr as a leader (we didn't really have titles lol)

Student Government: 2 yrs as student representative

Another big club: 1 yr as secretary



Work:

2000+ hrs ( data intern, call center worker, lab assistant, teaching assistant, academic coach..etc) All mainly during undergrad



LORs:

- Committee Letter from two science profs and two non-science profs

- Research Coordinator maybe
IMO you have a great shot at T10/20 schools and should apply to as many as is financially feasible for you. Great stats and strong volunteering/service. I don't think the research will really be an issue, since you're not applying to MD/PhD programs. But if you're worried about it and since you still have plenty of time before you apply, I'd recommend fixing what you can control. Publications are tough and largely luck-based but poster presentations aren't, so apply to some conferences asap to present your research. I'd recommend ABRCMS (link here) which is a minority research conference, lots of labs and schools give travel funding and ABRCMS also has a pretty generous travel award program you can apply to (I just checked though, the travel award application is due on August 20 so apply soon!!). If not, apply for some conferences in your local area to present. Other than that, keep doing what you're doing and I'm certain you'll have an incredibly successful future cycle!
 

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Hi all, I am an AA female with low stats from Pennsylvania. 3.2 gpa undergrad 499 mcat and 3.0 gpa graduate school. I was wondering if I can get advice for possible schools to apply to. I also have plenty of clinical experience and research experience. Thanks in advance
I suggest these MD schools with your stats
Howard
Meharry
Morehouse
UCLA Drew
Drexel
Temple
Jefferson
Commonwealth-Geisinger
Vermont
Quinnipiac
New York Medical College
Albany
Seton Hall
George Washington
NOVA MD
Oakland Beaumont
Wayne State
Medical College Wisconsin
Rosalind Franklin
Loyola
Creighton
TCU-UNT
Loma Linda
For MD schools you need to apply in the next week and submit all your secondaries by September.
You should also apply broadly to DO schools and I suggest these:
MU-COM
WVSOM
UP-KYCOM
ACOM
ARCOM
NYIT-Arkansas
UIWSOM
BCOM
LUCOM
CUSOM
VCOM (all 3 schools)
PCOM Georgia and South Georgia
LECOM (all schools)
 
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Hi all, I am an AA female with low stats from Pennsylvania. 3.2 gpa undergrad 499 mcat and 3.0 gpa graduate school. I was wondering if I can get advice for possible schools to apply to. I also have plenty of clinical experience and research experience. Thanks in advance
Hello stop saying your stats are “low” that’s for the admissions board to determine so let them do their job. Just tell your story and let them (via your personal statement) draw their own conclusions no need to point anything negative out unless asked. Be confident. Make the rest of application strong. Get a letter of rec from a person that works at the school you are applying shadow doctors at the school you’re applying. Volunteer work etc at the your applying and put all those things on your application. Apply to in state schools even your states private schools as you have your best chance there and then some other schools doesn’t matter I picked the HBCUs or other out of state private schools. If you have ties to a state apply to that state school
 
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If y’all want I can post my application as a word doc leaving personal information out so y’all can have an idea. I know I was lost when I applied so if y’all are interested let me know I can share it.
 
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Hey would appreciate any advice on where i should apply. Really low MCAT Ive been in contact with various MD/DO’s that talks low MCAT scores for URM applicants. (Haven’t really been able to find many DO schools tho)

I feel that aside from my MCAT I have a decent application. Looking for schools with a holistic admissions approach also willing to complete another masters if there is a direct entry to a SOM.

Undergrad cGPA: 3.41 and sGPA: 3.18
Graduate (MS in Biology) cGPA: 3.56 and sGPA: 3.54
MCAT : This is the glaring deficiency in my application, I have taken it 4 times my last two attempts are the only scores that haven't expired
2017: 494 123/123/124/126 2019: 490 118/123/126/123
State of residence: NY
Ethnicity: Latino (fully bilingual)
Nontraditional: graduated with a BS in ’15 Biology minors in Psych and Chem; MS in Biology in 17 have been working full-time since graduating not sure if this is considered nontrad ?
Major: Biology

Clinical volunteering: (1920 hours still ongoing ) Volunteer clinical Research assistant at Hospital for Special Surgery (NY) with extensive shadowing 2 first author posters, 3 manuscripts submitted for publication

(700 hrs) Research assistant to an orthopedic surgeon at Lenox Hill Hospital also did extensive shadowing. poster presentation at the annual eastern orthopedic conference (3rd author), mentioned in the acknowledgements for a publication in a major orthopedic journal.

Non-clinical volunteering: (240 hours) Saturday School teaching volunteer in an inner city public school helping English second language (specifically Latinx) children learn how to read or write. Program ran for 5-6 weeks a year every Saturday I was involved for 8 years

(150 hrs) community based volunteer work through my undergraduate fraternity -> with habitat for humanity, wounded warrior project and work at a food shelter

(300 hrs) Operations smile club, founder and treasurer, raised money and awareness in the community for kids suffering from cleft lips and palates. Received a Commendation from local county executive.

Basic Science Research experience: (1640 hours) extensive research experience in genetics working with fruit flies, undergraduate and graduate thesis based on this work, 2 poster presentation at conferences and 1 oral presentation at school research day , second author manuscript being submitted for publication

Clinal based research :see clinical volunteer
Work:
(10,000 hours) 2 yrs as a community habilitation worker for a young man with autism ;1 yr scribe at a level one trauma ER; bartender waiter; Graduate Teaching assistant; animal care person for biology department ; facilities department

Shadowing experience: (105 hours) shadowing various physicians during an internship at a local hospital + extensive shadowing done with patients while doing clinical research with both MD and DO’s

Leadership: President of BBB (biology honors society), founder and treasure of operation smile club, Graduate Biology teaching assistant

Extracurricular activities: Working out, pickup basketball

LOR: Strong committee letter and two separate letters from MD's I did research with.
Aspirations:
helping underserved communities, community service, clinical research,

Schools im applying to:
Howard
Rutgers RWJ
MUSC
Meharry
Wright state
Toledo
Jerry m Wallace
U of Pikeville
UNE
Burrell
 
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From what I know about SMPs they typically want higher MCATs. I think the lowest I heard of was Drexel's for URMs but I think it required a certain threshold in each subsection. Your 494 probably would have been fine, idk about the 490.
 
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From what I know about SMPs they typically want higher MCATs. I think the lowest I heard of was Drexel's for URMs but I think it required a certain threshold in each subsection. Your 494 probably would have been fine, idk about the 490.
Thanks appreciate the feedback! 490 was shock 12 points below my lowest practice exam. Drexel's program requires you to get a certain score on the MCAT 500+ I believe. My logic is that if im going to take the MCAT again im better off studying without any other commitments, studying while in a SMP would be no different than studying now working a full time job
 
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Hey would appreciate any advice on where i should apply. Really low MCAT Ive been in contact with various MD/DO’s that talks low MCAT scores for URM applicants. (Haven’t really been able to find many DO schools tho)

I feel that aside from my MCAT I have a decent application. Looking for schools with a holistic admissions approach also willing to complete another masters if there is a direct entry to a SOM.

Undergrad cGPA: 3.41 and sGPA: 3.18
Graduate (MS in Biology) cGPA: 3.56 and sGPA: 3.54
MCAT : This is the glaring deficiency in my application, I have taken it 4 times my last two attempts are the only scores that haven't expired
2017: 494 123/123/124/126 2019: 490 118/123/126/123
State of residence: NY
Ethnicity: Latino (fully bilingual)
Nontraditional: graduated with a BS in ’15 Biology minors in Psych and Chem; MS in Biology in 17 have been working full-time since graduating not sure if this is considered nontrad ?
Major: Biology

Clinical volunteering: (1920 hours still ongoing ) Volunteer clinical Research assistant at Hospital for Special Surgery (NY) with extensive shadowing 2 first author posters, 3 manuscripts submitted for publication

(700 hrs) Research assistant to an orthopedic surgeon at Lenox Hill Hospital also did extensive shadowing. poster presentation at the annual eastern orthopedic conference (3rd author), mentioned in the acknowledgements for a publication in a major orthopedic journal.

Non-clinical volunteering: (240 hours) Saturday School teaching volunteer in an inner city public school helping English second language (specifically Latinx) children learn how to read or write. Program ran for 5-6 weeks a year every Saturday I was involved for 8 years

(150 hrs) community based volunteer work through my undergraduate fraternity -> with habitat for humanity, wounded warrior project and work at a food shelter

(300 hrs) Operations smile club, founder and treasurer, raised money and awareness in the community for kids suffering from cleft lips and palates. Received a Commendation from local county executive.

Basic Science Research experience: (1640 hours) extensive research experience in genetics working with fruit flies, undergraduate and graduate thesis based on this work, 2 poster presentation at conferences and 1 oral presentation at school research day , second author manuscript being submitted for publication

Clinal based research :see clinical volunteer
Work:
(10,000 hours) 2 yrs as a community habilitation worker for a young man with autism ;1 yr scribe at a level one trauma ER; bartender waiter; Graduate Teaching assistant; animal care person for biology department ; facilities department

Shadowing experience: (105 hours) shadowing various physicians during an internship at a local hospital + extensive shadowing done with patients while doing clinical research with both MD and DO’s

Leadership: President of BBB (biology honors society), founder and treasure of operation smile club, Graduate Biology teaching assistant

Extracurricular activities: Working out, pickup basketball

LOR: Strong committee letter and two separate letters from MD's I did research with.
Aspirations:
helping underserved communities, community service, clinical research,

Schools im applying to:
Howard
Rutgers RWJ
MUSC
Meharry
Wright state
Toledo
Jerry m Wallace
U of Pikeville
UNE
Burrell
Would appreciate your opinion here @Goro !
 

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Any specific programs you would recommend ?
They're a dime a dozen. Pick one with the least tuition, that''s given at a med school, and is a year in length. Be prepared to relocate.
 

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I forgot to opt into the Med-MAR registry when I took my MCAT, is this a possible reason why some of my friends have received fee waivers for secondaries but I haven't? Also, do schools recognize URMs who haven't formally registered for the Med-MAR?
 
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I forgot to opt into the Med-MAR registry when I took my MCAT, is this a possible reason why some of my friends have received fee waivers for secondaries but I haven't? Also, do schools recognize URMs who haven't formally registered for the Med-MAR?
That’s certainly the reason. Schools like University of Chicago and Northwestern pull emails (in NWern’s case, addresses too) from Med-MAR to send the waivers. You could still call the admissions office and see if they’d be willing to give you one anyways.
Edit for your second question: yes, schools will still recognize that you’re URM based on what you put in your AMCAS application about your race/ethnicity. Med-MAR is separate from the actual AMCAS application.
 

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I got an interview at Tulane!! I'm interviewing in October and hopefully it turns into an acceptance. Thanks for encouraging me to apply!!
Yes!!! I’m so happy for you. Mash it up
 
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I forgot to opt into the Med-MAR registry when I took my MCAT, is this a possible reason why some of my friends have received fee waivers for secondaries but I haven't? Also, do schools recognize URMs who haven't formally registered for the Med-MAR?
Could be. You can always ask for a fee waiver as well. They can also see that you’re URM when they review your app.
 
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It is almost that time of the year again! As requested, here's the thread for the upcoming cycle.

Please feel free to share your cGPA, sGPA, MCAT, Major, if you're non-trad, your ECs, etc. and ask and answer questions!

Dates:
AMCAS Opens - May 1
Application Submission - May 30
Completed Applications Transmitted to Medical Schools - June 28
23 Hispanic Male - received FAP
Florida resident
cGPA = 3.28
sGPA = 3.33
Master's GPA = 3.39(science only curriculum)
MCAT = 508
Biology major
Lots of shadowing in a pediatrics
ED volunteering
assistant youth soccer coach volunteering
worked almost full-time all throughout undergrad
dealt with health issues along the way
 
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23 African American Female
Michigan Resident

Undergraduate Stats (University of Michigan - Ann Arbor)
Major: Biopsychology, Cognition, and Neuroscience
cGPA = 3.14
sGPA = 2.81

Graduate School - MPH (Emory University)
Master's GPA = 3.85
sGPA = 3.89

MCAT = 502

Research: ~2000 hours
Medical: ~600 hours
Non-Medical: ~3,000 hours
Publication: 1 newspaper article and 1 research publication in progress
Kind of shadowing experience, but reluctant to call it that.

Can you guys please be honest with me? I know I have low-stats but I'm really hoping for a holistic approach will save me. Do you think I have a chance?

I've already applied to the HBCU's and some of my state schools
 

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23 African American Female
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Undergraduate Stats (University of Michigan - Ann Arbor)
Major: Biopsychology, Cognition, and Neuroscience
cGPA = 3.14
sGPA = 2.81

Graduate School - MPH (Emory University)
Master's GPA = 3.85
sGPA = 3.89

MCAT = 502

Research: ~2000 hours
Medical: ~600 hours
Non-Medical: ~3,000 hours
Publication: 1 newspaper article and 1 research publication in progress
Kind of shadowing experience, but reluctant to call it that.

Can you guys please be honest with me? I know I have low-stats but I'm really hoping for a holistic approach will save me. Do you think I have a chance?

I've already applied to the HBCU's and some of my state schools
Honestly, your undergrad GPA may hurt you. Especially since no one really takes into account MPH GPA's. I think you stand a chance though. Assuming you reported some shadowing hours and did extensive community service volunteering, C Mich, Wayne, and Oakland may be your best bet. Also check out Wright State and the HBCU's
 
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Honestly, your undergrad GPA may hurt you. Especially since no one really takes into account MPH GPA's. I think you stand a chance though. Assuming you reported some shadowing hours and did extensive community service volunteering, C Mich, Wayne, and Oakland may be your best bet. Also check out Wright State and the HBCU's
That's where I applied so far and submitted secondaries for:
Central Michigan
Wayne State
Michigan State
Howard
Morehouse

I'm currently working on Oakland's and I hope I receive a secondary from Meharry :(

I've definitely done extensive community service hours and I worked as a patient attendance and said that they let me watch procedures and asked me questions (that's why I'm reluctant to say shadow). Also I have a strong upward trend in my grades if that helps. I'm super stressed lol like any pre-med student
 
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23 African American Female
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Undergraduate Stats (University of Michigan - Ann Arbor)
Major: Biopsychology, Cognition, and Neuroscience
cGPA = 3.14
sGPA = 2.81

Graduate School - MPH (Emory University)
Master's GPA = 3.85
sGPA = 3.89

MCAT = 502

Research: ~2000 hours
Medical: ~600 hours
Non-Medical: ~3,000 hours
Publication: 1 newspaper article and 1 research publication in progress
Kind of shadowing experience, but reluctant to call it that.

Can you guys please be honest with me? I know I have low-stats but I'm really hoping for a holistic approach will save me. Do you think I have a chance?

I've already applied to the HBCU's and some of my state schools
the sub 3.0 sGPA will definitely hurt. A post bac would have been better than a masters. Doesn’t mean a school won’t take a chance on you. I’d add some DO schools.
 
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22 year old AA female graduated with a sociology degree 2018 (disadvantaged). planning on applying for 2021 cycle.
Undergrad cGPA: 2.86
Undergrad sGPA: ~2.7 (non science major, so I only took some pre reqs science courses)
- come from a very abusive home/ had to take care of family issues whilst attending undergrad.
- D1 college athlete
-also had to work through school

Current post bacc GPA : 4.0 (15 hrs of science classes, 3 hours non science classes)

MCAT: 498 (found out my father died days before, terrible experience, may be expired come 2020 cycle)

I plan on continuing to take more science classes during the coming up semester and summer of 2020. (~15-20 more credit hours, hoping to keep up the 4.0 or at least 3.5 or better)

plan on retaking MCAT in January (if I keep averaging 510+ on practice exams, but willing to push back to june/july)

Research:
Undergraduate research ~200 hrs, but in vet lab helping in research conducted on ticks

Shadowing experience:
-Anesthesiologist ~60 hours
-Cardiologist ~50 hours
-Emergency Medicine ~60 hours
-podiatrist~ 20
-looking to shadow primary care physician in the future
Volunteering:
- boys and girls club :300 hours
-Geriatrics ~ 40 hours
-Food bank ~50 hours
-Hospital ~ 60 hours and counting
-Non profit org (advocating for best interest of abused and neglected children) ~ 20 hrs and counting
-Church (feeding homeless) ~120 hours and counting

Leadership:
- executive board member of pre medical society in undergrad
-Mentor for first generation students in undergrad

Work:
-Volleyball coach
-Personal Tutor


I am not impressive or a stand out star and I am having to pay for my post bacc out of pocket so I would like to spend my very little money wisely when it comes to application costs. I know this is what I want to do and I am confident I will be able to pull the MCAT score up. I want to get a jump start on preparing for schools to apply for. I will be a first time applicant and I am terrified that regardless of my efforts I may be over looked so I do want to make sure I am doing all I can to have a strong application. is applying for 2021 too soon? @Goro
 

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That's where I applied so far and submitted secondaries for:
Central Michigan
Wayne State
Michigan State
Howard
Morehouse

I'm currently working on Oakland's and I hope I receive a secondary from Meharry :(

I've definitely done extensive community service hours and I worked as a patient attendance and said that they let me watch procedures and asked me questions (that's why I'm reluctant to say shadow). Also I have a strong upward trend in my grades if that helps. I'm super stressed lol like any pre-med student
Keep the faith alive sis. And you have to report shadowing hours. Don’t feel bad if it wasn’t official. Not putting anything will hurt you badly. I was timid my first cycle, and it wasn’t until i got rejected from 60+ schools that I realized...this ain’t the time to be modest. Medical schools do not want the student who downplays everything they do, because it comes off as you not doing anything. Now is the time to boast and brag. You want to use your application to show schools why they should pick you
 
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the sub 3.0 sGPA will definitely hurt. A post bac would have been better than a masters. Doesn’t mean a school won’t take a chance on you. I’d add some DO schools.
I did the MPH because I'm passionate about that and wanted a degree in something I cared about in case med school fell through. But I am taking science classes on the undergrad campus I am at currently
 

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I did the MPH because I'm passionate about that and wanted a degree in something I cared about in case med school fell through. But I am taking science classes on the undergrad campus I am at currently
You’re fine. The biggest red flag will be if you put no shadowing hours. Most schools look at that and will immediately throw out your application. The low GPA will give most school pause, but the more mission heavy ones will likely give you a chance
 
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I did the MPH because I'm passionate about that and wanted a degree in something I cared about in case med school fell through. But I am taking science classes on the undergrad campus I am at currently
That’s a great plan B. It’s great that you’re doing a post bac. You have to raise that sGPA.

You’re fine. The biggest red flag will be if you put no shadowing hours. Most schools look at that and will immediately throw out your application. The low GPA will give most school pause, but the more mission heavy ones will likely give you a chance
That’s gpa is the biggest red flag, 100%. A sGPA of 2.8 will do more than give some schools pause. The grad sGPA will not be factored in to raise that at MD schools. The projected acceptance rate with that MCAT and gpa is <16% and the national average is about 40%. The best bet is to do a post bac before applying.
 
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That’s a great plan B. It’s great that you’re doing a post bac. You have to raise that sGPA.



That’s gpa is the biggest red flag, 100%. A sGPA of 2.8 will do more than give some schools pause. The grad sGPA will not be factored in to raise that at MD schools. The projected acceptance rate with that MCAT and gpa is <16% and the national average is about 40%. The best bet is to do a post bac before applying.
The only way she 100% won’t get in is if she doesn’t apply. You know how many times I was told to do a post bacc? Probably over 20 times...from like 20 different people. And while I did apply to post baccs in the end, it turned out I didn’t need them as I was accepted to medical school at the same time. I’m advocating for OP because I too had a “high risk” application. Yet I found two schools that saw something special in me, and decided to take their chance and invest in me. I’ve now successfully completed M1, on my way to completing M2, and take step 1 in January. It’s possible to defy the odds, but not if you don’t put yourself out there first
 
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The only way she 100% won’t get in is if she doesn’t apply. You know how many times I was told to do a post bacc? Probably over 20 times...from like 20 different people. And while I did apply to post baccs in the end, it turned out I didn’t need them as I was accepted to medical school at the same time. I’m advocating for OP because I too had a “high risk” application. Yet I found two schools that saw something special in me, and decided to take their chance and invest in me. I’ve now successfully completed M1, on my way to completing M2, and take step 1 in January. It’s possible to defy the odds, but not if you don’t put yourself out there first
I agree with this. I am advocating for more responsible language. You saying that a sub 3.0 sGPA isn’t a red flag when AAMC stats show that the acceptance rate with that gpa and mcat are merely a fraction of the national acceptance rate is a bit irresponsible. I’m all for rooting for the underdog and shooting your shot, but not blindly and without acknowledgment of stats, a Strategy and plan b, c, and d to become a more competitive applicant.
 

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I agree with this. I am advocating for more responsible language. You saying that a sub 3.0 sGPA isn’t a red flag when AAMC stats show that the acceptance rate with that gpa and mcat are merely a fraction of the national acceptance rate is a bit irresponsible. I’m all for rooting for the underdog and shooting your shot, but not blindly and without acknowledgment of stats, a Strategy and plan b, c, and d to become a more competitive applicant.
Noted, and I apologize for that. What I meant to relay the difference between low stats and an absolute requirement. For sure her low GPA will be a red flag. Nothing can really be done about that at this point. The reporting no shadowing hours (and I pray to God she didn’t do this), will be a hard stop barrier. Of the two things, the latter will be responsible for lack of school response
 
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Hi Everyone,
Ima be applying this upcoming June 2020 for the next app cycle just wanted an idea for if you guys believe I have a good shot. I will apply to MD schools that are mostly mid-tier except for California where I will apply to all the schools because it is my home state. I am quarter Mexican and rest Punjabi, however, I wear a turban so I don't know if that helps count me as a URM more if anything but doesn't really matter I guess since I look almost completely Punjabi. I am starting my second year of undergrad at UCD and I plan on graduating in 3 years and applying straight through without gap years. I'm also a recipient of the Fee Application Waiver so my costs for applying are more affordable and I've been saving up money from work for travel costs however much there may be. I worked hard and sacrificed a lot to get to where I am today and the reality is I want to be able to start medical school as soon as possible due to unique circumstances at home(ill father, mother only one working beside me.) Please let me know if there is anything I should do more to improve my chances because I'm very insecure in regards to me extracurriculars and thus my possibility to get in somewhere. Will apply to 35 MD and 5 DO but prefer MD if possible(although they will basically be same considering the new merger)
My Gpa: 3.97(science, overall is higher)
MCAT: taking in March
Clinical Volunteer:
  • Bhagat Puran Singh Health Initiative(150 hours): Student-run clinic in the process of getting certified by a medical school hopefully within the next 2-3 years
  • Cardio-Thoracic Step Down Unit Volunteer Intern(50 hours)
Non-Clinical Volunteer:
  • Sikh Cultural Association collaboration with SEWA group(200 hours): We helped feed homeless/underserved people in many parts of poverty-stricken and neglected parts of Sacramento, we also helped in many events such as the annual Sikh parade in which we volunteer in helping give people free food
Research:
  • Vascular Center Research at UCDMC(approximately 1k hours): have been doing research since I was 16 and still in high school continued this on until the summer before my second year now at Davis since family circumstances couldn't allow me to continue. Learned a lot about IRB submissions, even mostly wrote a protocal by myself, and I helped in research that resulted in poster publication and will hopefully result in a journal entry later this year.
  • Neurological Surgery Research Assistant(250 hours): Job I work at in which I am in charge of surveying patients with spinal injuries and/or brain injuries regarding their recoveries and in charge of data input of the results of these surveys, probably no publications or posters
Shadowing:
  • Vascular Surgeon shadowing(60-70 hours)
  • Neurological Surgeon shadowing(60-70 hours)
Work:
  • Gas Station attendant throughout my first year of school to support myself, quit the job after my first year at school since that is when I got a paid position to research at the Department of Neurological Surgery which was more convenient to me and paid more
 
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Identify as whatever you place on the census. Based on your choice of ECs, you didn't choose to do anything that shows you identify with your Mexican heritage as opposed to your Punjabi heritage. There's nothing significantly wrong/missing with your application overall, but you would benefit from adding primary care shadowing as well as adding more volunteer hours in each category. Come back when you have an MCAT score as you may not need the DO schools, but it's too soon to tell.
 
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Identify as whatever you place on the census. Based on your choice of ECs, you didn't choose to do anything that shows you identify with your Mexican heritage as opposed to your Punjabi heritage. There's nothing significantly wrong/missing with your application overall, but you would benefit from adding primary care shadowing as well as adding more volunteer hours in each category. Come back when you have an MCAT score as you may not need the DO schools, but it's too soon to tell.
Do you believe I would have a strong enough app, extracurricular wise if I added say around 100 more hours each to the activities under my clinical and nonclinical volunteering? I will also have had more hours in my job at neurosurgery by then as well. I'm just asking since then I can try to prioritize accordingly thank you again. Also yea I'll probably just write Pakistani/Indian for race since I probably won't be able to talk much about my Hispanic heritage(I can't really speak Spanish much either).
 

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Whats going on everybody
I figured id give this a shot.
First of all good luck to everyone applying this cycle.. I live for the URM excellence I see on these posts.



Numbers:

cgpa: 3.79 - undergrad only, SMP not accounted for

SMP: one year program at a Medical School (+/-) gpa: 3.6 (all science)

sgpa: 3.02 - undergrad only, SMP not accounted for- (well explained in my application)

mcat: 498, 497 and 507 - last one Taken rather later in August- (125, 123, 129,130)

*Latest MCAT, uGPA, and SMP performance qualifies me for a "guaranteed" interview at my grad school (MD granting).*




URM Status:

24 yo, Black male, Immigrant, Continental African and LGBTQ+
Non trad (3 years out of college)
2nd time applicant: first application was without SMP and with first 2 MCAT scores)

State of Residence:

Maryland


ECs:

Clinical Volunteering:
~60 hrs in hospice
Patient advocate at Hospital in Maryland - 1 year .. ~ 250 hours
~ 15-20 hours through SMP course

Shadowing: 100 hours (MD) and about 40 DO

Non-Clinical Volunteering: LOTS

- Immigrant resources Mentor - 2 years about 1000 hours

- Food pantry: 2 years about 100 hours

- International relations advocate at school - about 1 year... 50 hours

- Youth and homeless volunteer/mentor - 1 year .. 140 hours

- Hobbies include: singing all through undergrad and grad school, fitness coaching and mentorship



Research:

1 independent summer research project - about 400 hours .. wet lab cancer research. . weekly lab meetings, poster and presentation - conducted at MD granting medical school

3 research projects in grad school: community based/population based research looking into the Diabetes belt (1st project), Higher incidence of type 2 diabetes in AA (2nd project), and Neuroscience research paper (lit. review, 3rd project -- currently awaiting publication). Posters and presentations in both diabetes related projects

Type 2 Diabetes in AA - research paper written

Now that i think about it.. I do not have the last 2 research projects on my MD applications because they were not wet lab -- one was population based and the other was literature review... thoughts on this? Instead, I have two of my after college jobs in my app (i wanted to hit every category listed). I'd love some feedback as to whether I should swap them out for my SMP research projects. BTW.. i maxed out all entries on AAMC



Leadership

- Physics TA; paid- 1 year
- Writing and french Tutor; paid - 1 year
- SNMA Eboard member - 1 year
- Student teacher in Baltimore - 1 year
- Maryland SOM: Peer health education - 5 months ish (also not on my aamc app) - lead a weekly classes about sex hygiene and helathy sexual behaviors to minority LGBTQ+ youth form Baltimore
- John Hopkins center of learning and health: 3 months - research intern (not on my aamc app) - worked with substance abusing individuals to collect urine for testing and help connect them with resources to find jobs while encouraging them to sobriety

thoughts on the these are also welcome.. the reason why i dont ave those listed on my app is because they are both under a year.


Work:

All throughout undergrad and works/ed in biopharmaceutics for all my gap years (before and after my SMP)
Works with columns (affinity, anion, cation) etc... def stuff i will bring out during my interview



LORs:

- Qualified for the Committee letter from SMP
- DO letter as well

Interest:

Undeserved communities, health disparities, healthcare education, primary care, rural medicine, intersectionality in healthcare outcomes, LGBTQ+ health related issues

School list:

MD's

- Howard
- Meharry
- Morehouse
- Geisinger
- NYU medicine cuz free tuition lol
- Maryland Med school

DO's

- Michigan State
- Arizona state
- Nova
- Marian University
- Ohio Heritage
- PCOM
- WVSOM (told me last cycle that they wanted to see more academic prowess from me in order to grant me an II)
-NYTCOM
- Liberty
- AT. STill
- ARCOM (interviewed last cycle, then WL)
- Des Moines
- BCOM

I would appreciate some feedback on school choices, esp. MD schools, ( I dont much care for MD or DO as long as the school is accredited and in the US)
Would also like to hear thoughts about my activities for AAMC : having 2 pharma jobs listed as opposed to 2 research projects (lit. reviews with papers, posters and presentations), as well as not listing my time as MarylandSOM and Hopkins because of <1 year duration.

Not a FAP recipient; so i am trying to get my list finalized (yes, i havent yet submitted, but I have prewritten most secondaries so once those come in, it will just review and submit - thanks to SDN) .

Looking to submit at the end of this month latest!! Thanks in advance.
 
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Whats going on everybody
I figured id give this a shot.
First of all good luck to everyone applying this cycle.. I live for the URM excellence I see on these posts.



Numbers:

cgpa: 3.79 - undergrad only, SMP not accounted for

SMP: one year program at a Medical School (+/-) gpa: 3.6 (all science)

sgpa: 3.02 - undergrad only, SMP not accounted for- (well explained in my application)

mcat: 498, 497 and 507 - last one Taken rather later in August- (125, 123, 129,130)

*Latest MCAT, uGPA, and SMP performance qualifies me for a "guaranteed" interview at my grad school (MD granting).*




URM Status:

24 yo, Black male, Immigrant, Continental African and LGBTQ+
Non trad (3 years out of college)
2nd time applicant: first application was without SMP and with first 2 MCAT scores)

State of Residence:

Maryland


ECs:

Clinical Volunteering:
~60 hrs in hospice
Patient advocate at Hospital in Maryland - 1 year .. ~ 250 hours
~ 15-20 hours through SMP course

Shadowing: 100 hours (MD) and about 40 DO

Non-Clinical Volunteering: LOTS

- Immigrant resources Mentor - 2 years about 1000 hours

- Food pantry: 2 years about 100 hours

- International relations advocate at school - about 1 year... 50 hours

- Youth and homeless volunteer/mentor - 1 year .. 140 hours

- Hobbies include: singing all through undergrad and grad school, fitness coaching and mentorship



Research:

1 independent summer research project - about 400 hours .. wet lab cancer research. . weekly lab meetings, poster and presentation - conducted at MD granting medical school

3 research projects in grad school: community based/population based research looking into the Diabetes belt (1st project), Higher incidence of type 2 diabetes in AA (2nd project), and Neuroscience research paper (lit. review, 3rd project -- currently awaiting publication). Posters and presentations in both diabetes related projects

Type 2 Diabetes in AA - research paper written

Now that i think about it.. I do not have the last 2 research projects on my MD applications because they were not wet lab -- one was population based and the other was literature review... thoughts on this? Instead, I have two of my after college jobs in my app (i wanted to hit every category listed). I'd love some feedback as to whether I should swap them out for my SMP research projects. BTW.. i maxed out all entries on AAMC



Leadership

- Physics TA; paid- 1 year
- Writing and french Tutor; paid - 1 year
- SNMA Eboard member - 1 year
- Student teacher in Baltimore - 1 year
- Maryland SOM: Peer health education - 5 months ish (also not on my aamc app) - lead a weekly classes about sex hygiene and helathy sexual behaviors to minority LGBTQ+ youth form Baltimore
- John Hopkins center of learning and health: 3 months - research intern (not on my aamc app) - worked with substance abusing individuals to collect urine for testing and help connect them with resources to find jobs while encouraging them to sobriety

thoughts on the these are also welcome.. the reason why i dont ave those listed on my app is because they are both under a year.


Work:

All throughout undergrad and works/ed in biopharmaceutics for all my gap years (before and after my SMP)
Works with columns (affinity, anion, cation) etc... def stuff i will bring out during my interview



LORs:

- Qualified for the Committee letter from SMP
- DO letter as well

Interest:

Undeserved communities, health disparities, healthcare education, primary care, rural medicine, intersectionality in healthcare outcomes, LGBTQ+ health related issues

School list:

MD's

- Howard
- Meharry
- Morehouse
- Geisinger
- NYU medicine cuz free tuition lol
- Maryland Med school

DO's

- Michigan State
- Arizona state
- Nova
- Marian University
- Ohio Heritage
- PCOM
- WVSOM (told me last cycle that they wanted to see more academic prowess from me in order to grant me an II)
-NYTCOM
- Liberty
- AT. STill
- ARCOM (interviewed last cycle, then WL)
- Des Moines
- BCOM

I would appreciate some feedback on school choices, esp. MD schools, ( I dont much care for MD or DO as long as the school is accredited and in the US)
Would also like to hear thoughts about my activities for AAMC : having 2 pharma jobs listed as opposed to 2 research projects (lit. reviews with papers, posters and presentations), as well as not listing my time as MarylandSOM and Hopkins because of <1 year duration.

Not a FAP recipient; so i am trying to get my list finalized (yes, i havent yet submitted, but I have prewritten most secondaries so once those come in, it will just review and submit - thanks to SDN) .

Looking to submit at the end of this month latest!! Thanks in advance.
Not having your primary verified at at least one school at this point is likely going to hinder your MD chances at this point, but other than that you should get a lot of MD love. I wouldn’t even apply DO. I think your hours and activities are fine.

I would see if Goro and Faha can help you make a well rounded school list.
 
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Not having your primary verified at at least one school at this point is likely going to hinder your MD chances at this point, but other than that you should get a lot of MD love. I wouldn’t even apply DO. I think your hours and activities are fine.

I would see if Goro and Faha can help you make a well rounded school list.
I know :( and the reason is that i still owe tuition at my SMP program so my transcripts are being held.-- taking care of that this week hopefully.

You really think i shouldnt apply DO? my undergrad sgpa is on the lower end, which is why i branched out to the DO side as well.. adding to the fact that my application will be late, my chances are greater i think with DO since that cycle runs longer.

I was also thinking of applying to about 20 schools (10 MD and 10 DO - or alittle more DO's for aforementioned reasons)..

Thank you for your input and congrats on your acceptances!!
 
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I know :( and the reason is that i still owe tuition at my SMP program so my transcripts are being held.-- taking care of that this week hopefully.

You really think i shouldnt apply DO? my undergrad sgpa is on the lower end, which is why i branched out to the DO side as well.. adding to the fact that my application will be late, my chances are greater i think with DO since that cycle runs longer.

I was also thinking of applying to about 20 schools (10 MD and 10 DO - or alittle more DO's for aforementioned reasons)..

Thank you for your input and congrats on your acceptances!!
Thanks! I applied last year so I should update my signature.

I think you should apply to more MD than DOs. If you wait much longer than more DOs make sense.
 

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Whats going on everybody
I figured id give this a shot.
First of all good luck to everyone applying this cycle.. I live for the URM excellence I see on these posts.



Numbers:

cgpa: 3.79 - undergrad only, SMP not accounted for

SMP: one year program at a Medical School (+/-) gpa: 3.6 (all science)

sgpa: 3.02 - undergrad only, SMP not accounted for- (well explained in my application)

mcat: 498, 497 and 507 - last one Taken rather later in August- (125, 123, 129,130)

*Latest MCAT, uGPA, and SMP performance qualifies me for a "guaranteed" interview at my grad school (MD granting).*




URM Status:

24 yo, Black male, Immigrant, Continental African and LGBTQ+
Non trad (3 years out of college)
2nd time applicant: first application was without SMP and with first 2 MCAT scores)

State of Residence:

Maryland


ECs:

Clinical Volunteering:
~60 hrs in hospice
Patient advocate at Hospital in Maryland - 1 year .. ~ 250 hours
~ 15-20 hours through SMP course

Shadowing: 100 hours (MD) and about 40 DO

Non-Clinical Volunteering: LOTS

- Immigrant resources Mentor - 2 years about 1000 hours

- Food pantry: 2 years about 100 hours

- International relations advocate at school - about 1 year... 50 hours

- Youth and homeless volunteer/mentor - 1 year .. 140 hours

- Hobbies include: singing all through undergrad and grad school, fitness coaching and mentorship



Research:

1 independent summer research project - about 400 hours .. wet lab cancer research. . weekly lab meetings, poster and presentation - conducted at MD granting medical school

3 research projects in grad school: community based/population based research looking into the Diabetes belt (1st project), Higher incidence of type 2 diabetes in AA (2nd project), and Neuroscience research paper (lit. review, 3rd project -- currently awaiting publication). Posters and presentations in both diabetes related projects

Type 2 Diabetes in AA - research paper written

Now that i think about it.. I do not have the last 2 research projects on my MD applications because they were not wet lab -- one was population based and the other was literature review... thoughts on this? Instead, I have two of my after college jobs in my app (i wanted to hit every category listed). I'd love some feedback as to whether I should swap them out for my SMP research projects. BTW.. i maxed out all entries on AAMC



Leadership

- Physics TA; paid- 1 year
- Writing and french Tutor; paid - 1 year
- SNMA Eboard member - 1 year
- Student teacher in Baltimore - 1 year
- Maryland SOM: Peer health education - 5 months ish (also not on my aamc app) - lead a weekly classes about sex hygiene and helathy sexual behaviors to minority LGBTQ+ youth form Baltimore
- John Hopkins center of learning and health: 3 months - research intern (not on my aamc app) - worked with substance abusing individuals to collect urine for testing and help connect them with resources to find jobs while encouraging them to sobriety

thoughts on the these are also welcome.. the reason why i dont ave those listed on my app is because they are both under a year.


Work:

All throughout undergrad and works/ed in biopharmaceutics for all my gap years (before and after my SMP)
Works with columns (affinity, anion, cation) etc... def stuff i will bring out during my interview



LORs:

- Qualified for the Committee letter from SMP
- DO letter as well

Interest:

Undeserved communities, health disparities, healthcare education, primary care, rural medicine, intersectionality in healthcare outcomes, LGBTQ+ health related issues

School list:

MD's

- Howard
- Meharry
- Morehouse
- Geisinger
- NYU medicine cuz free tuition lol
- Maryland Med school

DO's

- Michigan State
- Arizona state
- Nova
- Marian University
- Ohio Heritage
- PCOM
- WVSOM (told me last cycle that they wanted to see more academic prowess from me in order to grant me an II)
-NYTCOM
- Liberty
- AT. STill
- ARCOM (interviewed last cycle, then WL)
- Des Moines
- BCOM

I would appreciate some feedback on school choices, esp. MD schools, ( I dont much care for MD or DO as long as the school is accredited and in the US)
Would also like to hear thoughts about my activities for AAMC : having 2 pharma jobs listed as opposed to 2 research projects (lit. reviews with papers, posters and presentations), as well as not listing my time as MarylandSOM and Hopkins because of <1 year duration.

Not a FAP recipient; so i am trying to get my list finalized (yes, i havent yet submitted, but I have prewritten most secondaries so once those come in, it will just review and submit - thanks to SDN) .

Looking to submit at the end of this month latest!! Thanks in advance.
I agree with OChem, you’re kind of pushing it there bud. Luckily, being URM means that alot of schools are going to gobble you up with that nice MCAT. If all else fails, apply to the predominantly white MD schools (Mizzou, Oklahoma, etc.). They have a quota to fill according to new AAMC guidelines
 
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Question for you guys. I'm not too familiar with the law of the land when it comes to updates, and dont wanna come off as annoying. Are they exclusive to post-interview? I have grades from spring term as well as a few conference abstracts that I'd like to update schools with.
 
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I agree with OChem, you’re kind of pushing it there bud. Luckily, being URM means that alot of schools are going to gobble you up with that nice MCAT. If all else fails, apply to the predominantly white MD schools (Mizzou, Oklahoma, etc.). They have a quota to fill according to new AAMC guidelines
Where do the aamc guidelines list schools that have quotas to fill?