2020-2021 Waitlist Support Thread

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That is simply scary. So WL movement might be scant?
...and I doubt the competition is going to decrease.

If MD is scant, then DO might be scant. Oh boy.
All I can say with absolute confidence is that this is all school dependent. Some schools apparently did have very healthy movement while some simply did not. Look into school specific threads for more info.

and idk if I’d say ‘scant’ because WL movement is caused by different variabilities, but in general yes, less movement
 
Maybe most of the applicants aren’t here.
Aren’t waitlists supposed to pick up in June as well?
True, most applicants aren't here. But that was also true a few weeks ago, when much more activity was reported. I was just pointing out to anxious folks climbing the walls that things are still happening, even if that does not appear to be the case!

"Pick up" is probably an overstatement. Movement now is created by people being called off other WLs, as well as by laggards who are holding 2 As after receiving a call a few weeks ago giving one up. Movement in June will be created by people still holding multiple As (for whatever reason, most likely due to at least one of their schools not requiring use of PTE) failing to select CTE at the deadline. This is not a ton of people, but it is more than zero.
 
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I rmbr when I got my third II, I almost cried with relief. Boi i foooooooled myself
yourself GIF
 
True, most applicants aren't here. But that was also true a few weeks ago, when much more activity was reported. I was just pointing out to anxious folks climbing the walls that things are still happening, even if that does not appear to be the case!

"Pick up" is probably an overstatement. Movement now is created by people being called off other WLs, as well as by laggards who are holding 2 As after receiving a call a few weeks ago giving one up. Movement in June will be created by people still holding multiple As (for whatever reason, most likely because at least one of their schools not requiring use of PTE) failing to select CTE at the deadline. This is not a ton of people, but it is more than zero.
Fair point.

I migrated from the DO side to see how the MD side is going...because the latter’s WL affects the former’s WL.
 
Whoever said interviews three a doctor you’ll be? I’m about to retroactively sue this fraud.
I've not sure if @LizzyM came up with this, but I've seen him/her say this with regards to prior cycles. Good luck finding out who/where they are though. According to some Redditors, LizzyM does not even exist, and is a persona created by SDN to increase viewership 😏. Perhaps that's why there's an admin-only subforum cryptically named "LM".

Regardless, many COVID predictions were off this year, from academia to admissions to the housing market, etc. Now that we have a year of admissions data available, future applicants should not be subject to the same degree of uncertainty.
 
I've not sure if @LizzyM came up with this, but I've seen him/her say this with regards to prior cycles. Good luck finding out who/where they are though. According to some Redditors, LizzyM does not even exist, and is a persona created by SDN to increase viewership 😏. Perhaps that's why there's an admin-only subforum cryptically named "LM".

Regardless, many COVID predictions were off this year, from academia to admissions to the housing market, etc. Now that we have a year of admissions data available, future applicants should not be subject to the same degree of uncertainty.

Yeah. It seemed like the perception was that this year was harder for admissions...which is concerning.

I doubt it is going to get any easier, to be frank. Unsure economics post-pandemic will probably cause young folks to flock to professional schools.
 
Yeah. It seemed like the perception was that this year was harder for admissions...which is concerning.

I doubt it is going to get any easier, to be frank. Unsure economics post-pandemic will probably cause young folks to flock to professional schools.
Just by the numbers, it was much more difficult this year. What nobody knows is whether the 9,000 +/- additional applicants were on par with prior cycles, or if they were bunched at the lower end of the pool (i.e., did 40% of them displace people who otherwise would have been accepted, or were they disproportionately rejected?). We'll see when statistics for matriculants are released next year. I think it's a pretty safe bet that EC hours are going to be down for the next few cycles due to the pandemic.
 
Just by the numbers, it was much more difficult this year. What nobody knows is whether the 9,000 +/- additional applicants were on par with prior cycles, or if they were bunched at the lower end of the pool. We'll see when statistics for matriculants are released next year. I think it's a pretty safe bet that EC hours are going to be down for the next few cycles due to the pandemic.
Wonder if that will give applicants with good ECs an advantage...or whether the schools might focus more on academics instead.
 
Wonder if that will give applicants with good ECs an advantage...or whether the schools might focus more on academics instead.
I think schools will focus on what is in front of them. ECs will still be important, but everyone applying for the first time this cycle is coming off a lost year for ECs. I don't think this will give reapplicants an undue advantage, or that schools will focus more on academics. I just think fewer hours will be expected because fewer hours than normal were available to us over the past 3 or more years due to the pandemic.
 
I've not sure if @LizzyM came up with this, but I've seen him/her say this with regards to prior cycles. Good luck finding out who/where they are though. According to some Redditors, LizzyM does not even exist, and is a persona created by SDN to increase viewership 😏. Perhaps that's why there's an admin-only subforum cryptically named "LM".

Regardless, many COVID predictions were off this year, from academia to admissions to the housing market, etc. Now that we have a year of admissions data available, future applicants should not be subject to the same degree of uncertainty.
Oh no, t'was not I. I did ask a few years ago if it held true for applicants at the end of a cycle. Here's the link.

I am a flesh and blood woman (AB-, a rare one) -- I am not the SDN equivlent of Betty Crocker :laugh:. But, like Clark Kent, I do like to keep my identity a closely guarded secret.
 
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Oh no, t'was not I. I did ask a few years ago if it held true for applicants at the end of a cycle.

I am a flesh and blood woman (AB-, a rare one) -- I am not the SDN equivlent of Betty Crocker :laugh:. But, like Clark Kent, I do like to keep my identity a closely guarded secret.
I knew you were real, @LizzyM. I believe!
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Oh no, t'was not I. I did ask a few years ago if it held true for applicants at the end of a cycle. Here's the link.

I am a flesh and blood woman (AB-, a rare one) -- I am not the SDN equivlent of Betty Crocker :laugh:. But, like Clark Kent, I do like to keep my identity a closely guarded secret.
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You may have revealed more information than you realized, milady! :partyblob:
 
Why is it your last choice? Maybe share those reasons so we know how badly you don’t want to go there. And also the question of why you applied there.
is it worth a year of attending salary to withdraw the possibility of an acceptance?
 
Welp, long time lurker of this thread since I didn’t match to a Texas school in March. On 2 waitlists, trying to hold on to some hope but looking like it’s over. Texas apps already opened but just haven’t felt up to the task to go through this whole thing again. I’ll probably take one last weekend to myself and get to it again. Thanks for all the jokes and memes that have been shared, let’s me know I’m not alone.
 
Welp, long time lurker of this thread since I didn’t match to a Texas school in March. On 2 waitlists, trying to hold on to some hope but looking like it’s over. Texas apps already opened but just haven’t felt up to the task to go through this whole thing again. I’ll probably take one last weekend to myself and get to it again. Thanks for all the jokes and memes that have been shared, let’s me know I’m not alone.
+1
TX match is brutal!!!!!
 
I think schools will focus on what is in front of them. ECs will still be important, but everyone applying for the first time this cycle is coming off a lost year for ECs. I don't think this will give reapplicants an undue advantage, or that schools will focus more on academics. I just think fewer hours will be expected because fewer hours than normal were available to us over the past 3 or more years due to the pandemic.

I really would love to hear what people think schools will prioritize more this coming year.

Would say direct patient care and my MCAT score (507) are my weaknesses, and I’m trying to plan out which I should focus on more.
 
Honestly tempted to just focus on my MCAT and go into something else career-wise whilst I apply.

I’ve been making $15/hr at various healthcare jobs for almost three years now, and am at the point where I feel like I need to find something new in order to support myself and my family. Not to mention how inflation this past year skyrocketed…

It just stinks that direct patient care jobs are always associated with low pay despite the work we do. I actually love what I do, just not what I get paid…
 
Honestly tempted to just focus on my MCAT and go into something else career-wise whilst I apply.

I’ve been making $15/hr at various healthcare jobs for almost three years now, and am at the point where I feel like I need to find something new in order to support myself and my family. Not to mention how inflation this past year skyrocketed…

It just stinks that direct patient care jobs are always associated with low pay despite the work we do. I actually love what I do, just not what I get paid…
Definitely knock the mcat out and then do what makes you happy!
 
Alright y'all, I'm officially calling it a cycle. I have learned so much going through this process and have addressed my weaknesses for this upcoming cycle.

Wishing ALL of you an abundance of As this coming cycle if you don't get off a waitlist. Best of luck.
 
Definitely knock the mcat out and then do what makes you happy!

Appreciate your response 🙂
Honestly just afraid that med schools will use my lack of involvement in clinical areas in the coming year (and past one) as a reason to not give me an interview.

Yet I swear I’ve been seeing more and more folks with high GPAs and MCATs with little to no clinical experience get As this year…
 
Did you apply DO? A 507 is more than competitive for all of them and I'd be surprised if you didn't receive multiple acceptances.

I did!
…..Still no luck lol
Unfortunately even with my super strong 4.0 post-bacc GPA, my overall GPA still didn’t reach most of their GPA cutoffs…
 
That's odd.... They're generally soft cutoffs and your post-bacc should have been adequate. How many credits of a 4.0 is it? And did you apply to EVERY DO school or cherry pick the "good" ones? I've seen some accept just about anyone with a 3.0/500 as late as matriculation week as people drop

Applied to many mid-tier ones (essentially whatever was in NE/MW), only got an interview to MSUCOM.

But yeah, most had hard cutoffs of 3.0 science GPA, which with my 30+ credits I was close, but did not reach. Don’t plan on taking another 30+ credits to get over that 3.0 mark, don’t have the money or time to do that.
 
I just saw from previous comments that this is your third cycle. I would reapply to every single DO school (and start pre-writing secondaries). You can't afford to be picky here. TBH with your stats I'd take my chances in the Caribbean if you're okay with IM/FM. I know it's risky but a fourth app to the same schools won't be any different especially considering new applicants will have 4.0s from taking watered down online classes. If you're okay with podiatry you could submit an app today for the class of 2025 and likely receive a substantial scholarship with your stats (~75%+)
I can see the constructive elements of the criticism you have given to this person, however, in the future I think tact and word choice important to keep in mind as this is regarding years of hard work on the line that the OP put in 🙂
 
This applicant life is pain... I'm on a few MD and DO waitlists and can't stand the thought of another year at this job I have, which is soo toxic but too good on paper to drop. I've been working full time (which I'm grateful for) but don't feel like I've improved my application at all for immediate reapp, and should've but didn't prepare for an MCAT retake. Two gap years was my choice, but any more and I feel like I'm just wasting these years away, and idk what to do. Anyone else feel that?

Glad I found this thread a while ago. It's nice to rant about stuff at least once to people who really do get it. I'll just go back to posting the periodic meme here and there for the seretonin rush of random stranger online liking these incredibly niche memes lmao
 
My apologies. I was trying to present viable alternative pathways. I have a friend who is MD or bust for the past three cycles (514/3.7) + tons of research (and very picky with their school list at that) so I'm speaking from this experience. OP seems to be more open-minded so I thought I'd make some suggestions.

For example, we hear a lot about Caribbean attrition but that's mostly the weaker applicants (2.6/495) etc who are just a cash cow. A 507/4.0 post-bacc is probably 80-90% chance to make it to match or SOAP, which is on par with many DO schools. Alternatively, podiatry is another viable pathway to becoming a physician with half the debt.
I understand where ur coming from, those are all important to keep in mind for sure
 
This applicant life is pain... I'm on a few MD and DO waitlists and can't stand the thought of another year at this job I have, which is soo toxic but too good on paper to drop. I've been working full time (which I'm grateful for) but don't feel like I've improved my application at all for immediate reapp, and should've but didn't prepare for an MCAT retake. Two gap years was my choice, but any more and I feel like I'm just wasting these years away, and idk what to do. Anyone else feel that?

Glad I found this thread a while ago. It's nice to rant about stuff at least once to people who really do get it. I'll just go back to posting the periodic meme here and there for the seretonin rush of random stranger online liking these incredibly niche memes lmao
I feel you on the wasting years. I'm in a similar situation. The weakest part of my app is my undergrad GPA, which I haven't worked to address at all this cycle since I was working full time in a clinical setting. I got a few interviews so I thought I had a shot, but ended up on WLs:/

I'm looking at SMPs for this coming year, but I'm so torn on if I should re-apply this cycle or next. I really don't want to waste another 2 years and I feel like I was so close this time around, but idk how much the SMP will help me if I haven't completed it before the cycle.... I think I'm just going to apply anyway and shoot my shot, but I feel so behind in terms of rewriting PS etc...
 
on May 21st, I was on 5 waitlists with 0 As, losing hope, and mentally preparing for re-app. In the last 5 days I've received 3As!!!!!! I can't believe this is happening, so surreal. can't thank you all enough for your support and empathy through a crazy process. Still hoping for my top school (state school!) but beyond blessed. THERE'S HOPE YOU GUYS!!!
 
I really don’t understand DO schools tbh they’ll accept people with below 500s but not accept you? Bruh I hate that for you
That’s what’s so confusing about this whole process. There are a lot of subjective criteria that med schools evaluate candidates on, in the name of yield protection or maintaining a specific class composition (by region, athlete status, interest in X/Y/Z, etc.) that a lot of good candidates fall through the cracks. Especially if they don’t fit into one of these boxes neatly for a specific school.
 
This applicant life is pain... I'm on a few MD and DO waitlists and can't stand the thought of another year at this job I have, which is soo toxic but too good on paper to drop. I've been working full time (which I'm grateful for) but don't feel like I've improved my application at all for immediate reapp, and should've but didn't prepare for an MCAT retake. Two gap years was my choice, but any more and I feel like I'm just wasting these years away, and idk what to do. Anyone else feel that?

Glad I found this thread a while ago. It's nice to rant about stuff at least once to people who really do get it. I'll just go back to posting the periodic meme here and there for the seretonin rush of random stranger online liking these incredibly niche memes lmao

I feel you on the wasting years. I'm in a similar situation. The weakest part of my app is my undergrad GPA, which I haven't worked to address at all this cycle since I was working full time in a clinical setting. I got a few interviews so I thought I had a shot, but ended up on WLs:/

I'm looking at SMPs for this coming year, but I'm so torn on if I should re-apply this cycle or next. I really don't want to waste another 2 years and I feel like I was so close this time around, but idk how much the SMP will help me if I haven't completed it before the cycle.... I think I'm just going to apply anyway and shoot my shot, but I feel so behind in terms of rewriting PS etc...
Just for some perspective, I spent 5 years post undergrad until I got in in my second app cycle. I know how you guys feel but if you’re passionate about it and persistent, the time invested is just a drop in the pool that is your life and your career as a doctor. Not to say it didn’t suck though. The last 5 years were probably some of the worst ever. But embracing the suck was worth it, and now that it’s done, I regret none of it.
 
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