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Here is the new cycle thread... I will be posting updates for the new cycle, after I submit my NIH grant on Tuesday late.
Its too early....Here is the new cycle thread... I will be posting updates for the new cycle, after I submit my NIH grant on Tuesday late.
The AMCAS information does not flag you as having applied previously. (It will, however, tell us whether you have previously enrolled in a medical school.) At the institutional level, they would be able to tell from their internal records (if they bother to look) that you had applied there previously. What they do with this information is anyone's guess. I do not believe that an MD admission committee view as a negative the fact that you had previously applied MD-PhD to that same institution. Individuals change their career objectives all the time. (Every year, 10-15% of individuals who are accepted to MD-PhD programs decline the offer; nearly all will enroll in MD-only programs.)If anyone would be down to answer this question - so I applied to MSTP and MD/PhD programs last cycle. I got interviews but eventually was WL'ed from the programs. For this cycle I'm switching gears and applying a majority MD and a few MD/PhD given last cycle's results and my stats being below average for the dual degree. How would adcoms see this change as I'm now a reapplicant? Would it be a red flag, especially to the schools that I did get II's at?
Also if this is in the wrong thread please let me know - decided to post here for obvious reasons.
good to know, thank you so much!The AMCAS information does not flag you as having applied previously. (It will, however, tell us whether you have previously enrolled in a medical school.) At the institutional level, they would be able to tell from their internal records (if they bother to look) that you had applied there previously. What they do with this information is anyone's guess. I do not believe that an MD admission committee view as a negative the fact that you had previously applied MD-PhD to that same institution. Individuals change their career objectives all the time. (Every year, 10-15% of individuals who are accepted to MD-PhD programs decline the offer; nearly all will enroll in MD-only programs.)
IMO, if you previously interviewed at a school but were not accepted, the chance of being interviewed, much less accepted, a second time around is slight. By the time we offer an interview to someone, we are fairly convinced that they are competitive for a spot in our program. Our statistics tell us that 98% of the applicants we interview will get into an MD-PhD program. I would avoid re-applying MD-PhD to the programs that interviewed you last cycle, and would focus on schools that did not interview you last time. This year, we interviewed 4 re-applicants who we had rejected without interview in previous cycles. All had substantially improved their applications through additional research exposure in the intervening time, and 2 were offered admission here.
I am realizing Mistakes have been made as I am prewriting now...Yes...
You can also stagger submissions so that you don't get crushed with all secondaries at once
I didn't list hours or contact info when I merged 3+ activities into one slot. I combined all the hours for all the activities and put them in the hours count and just chose one person to be the contact person for all three activities (typically the supervisor that knew me the best out of all the activities). I used the space to say what I did/learned/accomplished per activity.If merging activities (e.g. more than 3 into one slot), what info needs to be listed in the activity description? Right now, hours/contact info for each individual activity are taking up most of the space in the activities description, but I would rather use it to reflect etc. Thanks!
i found this from last year:My MD/PhD application has been verified, and I would like to start pre-writing my secondaries. However, I am having difficulty finding MD/PhD secondary questions (instead of MD-only secondary questions) for most schools. Do most schools not have a different MD/PhD application? Or am I looking in the wrong places?
Thank you!
Wait, could you clarify. If I applied last cycle MD/PhD but I am reapplying MD-Only I am NOT a reapplicant? I submitted the primary and I had selected "reapplicant" for each school.The AMCAS information does not flag you as having applied previously. (It will, however, tell us whether you have previously enrolled in a medical school.) At the institutional level, they would be able to tell from their internal records (if they bother to look) that you had applied there previously. What they do with this information is anyone's guess. I do not believe that an MD admission committee view as a negative the fact that you had previously applied MD-PhD to that same institution. Individuals change their career objectives all the time. (Every year, 10-15% of individuals who are accepted to MD-PhD programs decline the offer; nearly all will enroll in MD-only programs.)
IMO, if you previously interviewed at a school but were not accepted, the chance of being interviewed, much less accepted, a second time around is slight. By the time we offer an interview to someone, we are fairly convinced that they are competitive for a spot in our program. Our statistics tell us that 98% of the applicants we interview will get into an MD-PhD program. I would avoid re-applying MD-PhD to the programs that interviewed you last cycle, and would focus on schools that did not interview you last time. This year, we interviewed 4 re-applicants who we had rejected without interview in previous cycles. All had substantially improved their applications through additional research exposure in the intervening time, and 2 were offered admission here.
Do schools somehow look down on applicants that take longer to finish their secondaries after receiving them?With few exceptions, the process of selecting applicants to receive secondary applications is typically the job of a computer. Some schools send them to all applicants, some only to those with MCAT > 510 or x threshold, some pre-review applications before sending them, and a few programs (like mine) do not have a real secondary. We do ask interviewees with several basic questions.
Bottomline, most secondary requests come in within 2 weeks of verification, which is the reason that I recommended to stagger adding schools every 2 weeks or so (10 at initial application, 10 about 2 weeks after verification, and 10 more or so after 4 weeks after verification).
Generally speaking, a reply within a week or two is fine, but taking longer suggest (to PDs) that the applicant has lesser interest in that particular program.Do schools somehow look down on applicants that take longer to finish their secondaries after receiving them?
What complete dates (as in secondary completion) are still considered early/won't hurt chances for MSTP?
Do you know if most/many programs are like this? My cursory review shows many schools who do not have MD/PhD interviews until between November and February. For instance I see one MSTP that only interviews in the month of January. I am anticipating a cycle that is longer than the MD only cycle, but how delayed will it really be?We usually send out half our interview offers in mid-to-late August.
A late-July to early-August completion date for secondary applications is not at all late. I encourage applicants to get all their secondaries no later than Labor Day. The earlier we have an application, the earlier we can make an interview decision. Policies vary from program to program, but we start sending out interview invites (and rejections) by the end of August. (Our interviews start in October.)@Fencer : Thanks for the detailed response. Would you say being complete late July to early August is a detriment, or is it still a good time to be fully complete?
Got it. Thank you!Every school has its own culture and policies. While it doesn't bother me that some applicants apply to both programs, in my case the evaluation process is entirely independent; that is being considered for MD/PhD (AMCAS) will NOT delay MD (TMDSAS) review. However, in many schools that is the case. Their question in the secondary could be information about logistics on how to process the application. Now, for a MSTP PD, an MD/PhD only applicant shows slightly greater commitment to the physician-scientist path as compared to an applicant hedging between MD/PhD and MD applications. Nevertheless, that slight bias could be easily overcome by demonstrated genuine enthusiasm for a research heavy-career. More important for a re-applicant is to select a broad representative group of MD/PhD programs to apply that have different levels of competitiveness (dream/match/safer). PM me if needed...
With that 15% increase in total applicants, was the relative competitiveness of the increased applicant pool (ie. MCAT score, research quality and quantity etc.) consistent?It is the total number of primary verified applications for the 2020 completed cycle. The updated tables with the 2021 numbers will be available in mid December 2021. Please note that overall, we had a 15% increase in the number of applications as compared to 2020. We just reviewed the overall total number of acceptances and they were quite similar between both years, however, the 2021 class will be greater as there were more applicants with at least one MD/PhD acceptance.
Thank you for the honest answer, and good luck in the coming weeks and months of reviewing applications.The impact of COVID in the limitation of quantity and quality of clinical and research experiences was greater in the 2021 cycle as compared to the 2020 cycle. Scores have been trending slightly up over the years, as there are better preparation courses and other resources, but it is truly very small. I do not know if it was a temporary blip above the slightly increasing trend of <4% over past 10 years, or was a substantial increase due to the Zoom/digital transformation in advising or some other reasons. We will find out in a few months...
I copy paste and then add more specific details in background, hypothesis, findings, and, most importantly, my role. If you were only ever in one lab with a few projects (which is better IMHO if it has commitment), then you would probably be OK copy/paste as that information is all in the SRE. But if you were in multiple labs/multiple projects, those 10,000 characters might’ve felt very limiting.A lot of secondaries have sections that basically repeat the significant research essay, asking me to input info and description for each experience. Are you guys largely copying and pasting these or just writing a new shorter or longer description?
Absolutely not, I would imagine. Not a single MD/PhD program has offered any interviews yet. Since schools will get your letters automatically and you are already complete in everything else, you will not be delayed at all.Quick question - I have submitted most of my secondaries over the past 3 weeks, but realized that my college's committee letter will not be sent to AMCAS until next Monday. Will this delay in my LOR packet negatively affect consideration of my application?