A Lighthouse, A Man, A City...A BioShock WW Game

[Lawpy]

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[Chaostrodon]

wait a second , Lawpy over jaboo or Barks?

 

[Trilt]

A quiet clicking came from the roof of a garden pavilion. Something flew past the ear of a man sleeping on a bench in the shelter. He sat upright, heart racing. His eyes darted here and there, looking for the source of the projectile. A figure dropped from the ceiling. Rapid gunfire echoed all around him and he rolled to the ground, covering his head with his hands.

This still feels potentially like a spider splicer between a projectile being chucked and dropping from the ceiling.

eta: then a turret protection would be the rapid gunfire.

 

[samac]

wait a second , Lawpy over jaboo or Barks?

If the wolves figured out his role like trilts did it makes sense.
Why would Jaboo or barks be the prime targets?

 

[Barkley13]

wait a second , Lawpy over jaboo or Barks?

He’s been pretty consistently village read through the game. I was getting paranoid that the people who have seemed super village the whole time were still alive

 

[LetItSnow]

I think you’re stretching there but ok.
I took it to heal wounds or possibly prevent a night kill.

You took the healing kit?

I thought kata did that.

 

[LetItSnow]

If the wolves figured out his role like trilts did it makes sense.
Why would Jaboo or barks be the prime targets?

It would also make sense to shank him if the wolves figured out his role..........

 

[samac]

You took the healing kit?

I thought kata did that.

By me I meant Kata. Kind of mind melded into one at this point.

edit: oh wait I just realized what quote you were quoting. I meant I read it as healing or preventing a night kill by saying I took it to mean.

It would also make sense to shank him if the wolves figured out his role..........

Or to just kill him if they figured out the role before then?

 

[holdthemayo]

wait a second , Lawpy over jaboo or Barks?

Jaboo probably only gets one rez, Barks probably came back vanillager

Lawpy claimed a PR.

All three were pretty widely village read so the PR makes the most sense.

 

[samac]

Jaboo probably only gets one rez, Barks probably came back vanillager

Lawpy claimed a PR.

All three were pretty widely village read so the PR makes the most sense.

I don’t even remember Lawpy claiming PR.
I’m a lot worse at this game when I’m traveling. I guess that’s not surprising.

 

[supershorty]

Or to just kill him if they figured out the role before then?

Well, even if they were really on top of it, the earliest they could have figured it out would have been during D5 when he was silenced. The following night, he was shanked, so couldn't protect anyone, and Dina was killed. I would think the seer would be a higher priority than the hacker.

He never openly claimed a PR but alluded to having one.

 

[Trilt]

It would also make sense to shank him if the wolves figured out his role..........

How confident in n3 being a night kill attempt on you are you? Like, scale of 1-10, lol.

 

[Trilt]

I don’t even remember Lawpy claiming PR.
I’m a lot worse at this game when I’m traveling. I guess that’s not surprising.

(he didn't but you said you shanked him and the write-up alludes to him doing some hacking prior to the stabbing, lol).

 

[holdthemayo]

I don’t even remember Lawpy claiming PR.
I’m a lot worse at this game when I’m traveling. I guess that’s not surprising.

He claimed he didn't use cigarettes but was silenced due to something to do with his role, and that if he explained it then it would give it away.
So he didn't claim a specifics, but revealed that he had a PR.

 

[samac]

(he didn't but you said you shanked him and the write-up alludes to him doing some hacking prior to the stabbing, lol).

Basically I really ****ed up after doing my iso and getting on a Lawpy tinfoil by officially outing a villager PR by stabbing them with a shank.

 

[Trilt]

Basically I really ****ed up after doing my iso and getting on a Lawpy tinfoil by officially outing a villager PR by stabbing them with a shank.

...maybe, haha.

What's a more interesting question is why the mods put that specifically in the write-up, and why these small clips about different players have stopped showing up. I kind of thought it'd be a role.

 

[LetItSnow]

How confident in n3 being a night kill attempt on you are you? Like, scale of 1-10, lol.

Hm. Ugh. I can't definitively say it was a kill attempt.

Maybe 7-8?

 

[Crayola227]

I think the next lynch should be Lupin.

First of all, she's still alive and we are about two thirds into the game. You'll see that this alone is a reasonable cause for lynch from me if you look through past posts. At this point there's a non zero risk of conversion AND of just being a really good original wolf, lol. (Side note: people keep mentioning LIS' reputation and ignoring Lupin and it makes me laugh).

Second, we have basically been clearing her because of her VCA and her usual non-bussing meta. But as I've repeatedly pointed out this game, VCA is complicated. We had basically all wolves outed by some variation of a mechanic that trying to read into votes as clearing/not clearing is how I ended up with zero wolf suspects at like day 5. Everybody seemed cleared, so obviously something was wrong.

Since then I've been working backwards trying to solve based on more subtle thread things and mechanics tells. Like everyone, I've sucked at it.

But I'm now at a point where I have good mechanics explanations for Cray and Samac being village, derpclear and other thread things for Chaos, straightforward mechanical "clearing" for jaboo/barkley from the rez, mayo is mayo, and basically have to stare at Lawps, Lupin and LIS.

Lawps has felt like Lawps, AM was adamant about him and flipped village, and I can reasonably theorize on an ability for him and it's likely village. Lower on the list.

LIS is not acting like wolf!LIS at all, has dropped multiple small bits of data early on that made me lower him in my suspicions, and with last night I'm putting him in a "cautiously suspicious but I just don't feel it" pile.

Lupin. Lupes has been village read basically all game for votes and vibe, both of which are questionably AI lol. I dislike that I feel she has been very go with the flow on the last several lynches and statements of "oh I just don't know who to lynch" have caught my eye because it's Lupin, she usually figures it out.

I've been putting focus elsewhere and handwaving this away because I know how busy she is and couldn't justify some early actions under her normal meta. But I'm kind of in a corner now and think she is a good next option.

Heading into an ER shift now, but I'll try to pop in intermittently if possible.

I really like this post. And re: the bolded I would say that doesn't include me. I have been cautioning us for days about Lupin. No one wanted to hear it because her VCA and "she sounds so village".

She also basically came out and threatened me for questioning her, and I don't even mean just questioning her affiliation, but in general whenever I poked her. Felt very reactive.

I also feel like maybe she's been playing dumb.

 

[Crayola227]

Nah, just what I've posted. I am not necessarily going to fight a Cray lynch hard because I don't think it's the worst flip on the board by any means, but man it would be weird ass decisions from the wolves if she was scum.

What has mechanically cleared samac?

 

[Crayola227]

I don’t know if it’s been proven to take a day.
I’m also going to speculate on some mechanics here from wolfing last game. An old Samac tinfoil that people get annoyed about. Wooo.
Wolves don’t have individual role PM’s. Just a group PM. One person can submit all the actions for the entire pack. Given how hard it would be to keep up with individual amounts of money for each person in the wolf pack (individuals finding money, keeping up with multiple people’s running totals) I bet they share money and an item pool so it wouldn’t be assigned to a specific person.
I also don’t see wolves buying first aid kits before knowing of any kind of silencing mechanic or a reason to have it because it looks like a village item, but then again I read the decoy as an entirely wolfy item and MsP proved me wrong there.

I disagree with so much in this post. It is wsy overpowered for wolves to pool together like this and immediate access to all resources like this. Also I could absolutely see wolves buying a First Aid kit. They are conservative, paranoid, and in role madness with items that can hurt players in a vending machine and no way to know if they are immune to any of them, I can totally see a wolf buying one. The logic in this post is really stretching.

 

[Crayola227]

I think you’re stretching there but ok.
I took it to heal wounds or possibly prevent a night kill.
I never thought about it healing a negative effect a village power role may have going forward.


and just so everyone knows, anyone else who has a first aid kit knows this, the description in PM tells me to use it on myself or give it to a friend, unlike the shank which tells me to stab someone to stop a night action

Wait, so stabs block night actions? You didn't say this before that I caught.

 

[Trilt]

Wait, so stabs block night actions? You didn't say this before that I caught.

She actually specifically said it on thread when she used it, lol.

 

[Crayola227]

Night 8

Back in the real world, I was a brilliant mechanical engineer. I could make any piece of machinery purr with the right touch. I brought those skills with me to Rapture. Careful though - I am brilliant, but not infallible.

He felt so fatigued. He'd been hacking successfully this whole time (well, 'cept that ONE time he had a run in with security...he didn't like to think of that time). Trying to protect people.

Tonight, he had been tempted to tinker with a vending machine but had thought better of it. He would rest for once.

He stretched out on his makeshift cot and pulled a tattered blanket tightly around himself. There would be time tomorrow.

All that exhaustion finally caught up with him. Despite all the lethal stab wounds, he didn't wake once.

Dead is @Lawpy , who was Marty Tan, a village hacker.

It is now Day 9. Deadline is tomorrow, March 18th, at 10pm EST.

10 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
2. @Barkley13

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty

Hephaestus
overcome by lava

Olympus Heights
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. katashark ---> @samac
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager
zenge - wolf seer
Vis - village tracker
mkg - village protector
sporty - village blocker
alleycat - wolf blocker
genny - wealthy villager
Cyndia - wolf hacker
Dina - village affiliation seer
pawprints - village post restrictor
AM - village assassin
vetschoolsplz - 1x deathproof villager
MsP - vanillager
Lawpy - village hacker

Subs:
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Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​

Hmmmm, hacker, run in with security. Wonder what that means. Ability fail? Is there a mechanism where abilities might fail? Might explain a few things.

 

[Crayola227]

What does hacking even mean though? and how does it fail?

We had a theory from Cyndia's write up that it might have been a JOAT thing, as it mentioned a number of items that could be hacked, like cameras and bathysphere which transports people in game.

 

[samac]

Wait, so stabs block night actions? You didn't say this before that I caught.

I said it when I owned up to it. I was tinfoiling Lawpy was a wolf and trying to block a night kill.

 

[samac]

I disagree with so much in this post. It is wsy overpowered for wolves to pool together like this and immediate access to all resources like this. Also I could absolutely see wolves buying a First Aid kit. They are conservative, paranoid, and in role madness with items that can hurt players in a vending machine and no way to know if they are immune to any of them, I can totally see a wolf buying one. The logic in this post is really stretching.

Of course it’s wrong because I have crappy game mechanic theories. My guess is they could only buy one item as a group though.

I’m someone who’s a big mechanics solver and I’m trying here because I sure as **** am not going back through post histories at this point.
I warned y’all I was gonna go off feels on vacation.

 

[Trilt]

Hm. Ugh. I can't definitively say it was a kill attempt.

Maybe 7-8?

Mmkay, so at least a passing grade. I ask because that'd mean three in one night, which is not something we've seen at all besides AM's vig shot. It's curious.

 

[samac]

Wait. Which night was Lawpy watched? They may have known he had a role that could protect at that point.
I guess the big question for me then is why did they decide to kill AM before killing Lawpy?

 

[Crayola227]

By me I meant Kata. Kind of mind melded into one at this point.

edit: oh wait I just realized what quote you were quoting. I meant I read it as healing or preventing a night kill by saying I took it to mean.

Or to just kill him if they figured out the role before then?

My guess is a First Aid kit wouldn't save you from a NK. It makes sense to me if something bad happens to you but you're alive, then you could use it to heal you. That would be some First Aid kit to make you knife or gun proof.

 

[samac]

My guess is a First Aid kit wouldn't save you from a NK. It makes sense to me if something bad happens to you but you're alive, then you could use it to heal you. That would be some First Aid kit to make you knife or gun proof.

I guess my thoughts on it come from the noob game where I was healer (protector) and the description was I had a first aid kit and when I tried heal someone I brought them bandages and tinctures. That might be a just me thing though because of that.

 

[Crayola227]

Of course it’s wrong because I have crappy game mechanic theories. My guess is they could only buy one item as a group though.

I’m someone who’s a big mechanics solver and I’m trying here because I sure as **** am not going back through post histories at this point.
I warned y’all I was gonna go off feels on vacation.

That's fine to speculate. Not trying to pull an AM and shut down any discussion. And while I'm a big proponent of thinking anything is possible, which means anything is worth considering, doesn't mean that with some experience some theories on mechanics aren't more or less dismissable.

Consider everything, and while anything is possible in WW, not everything is equally likely.

So the PM theory is not anymore likely than random chance, and I doubt wolves have a central bank of stuff. But kudos to you for considering these things. There is probable a game out there that was designed that way somewhere.

 

[Barkley13]

Day 1 Final Tally:

genny (3) - AM, Zenge, supershorty
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
Visc (1) - Lawpy
vetschoolsplease (4) - Cray, Barks, MsP, trilt
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (3) - April, genny, Sporty
katashark (2) - LIS, alissa
alleycat (1) - Dina
alissa (6) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat, mayo, Viscernable, mkg, jaboo

25/26

Day 2 Final Tally

Zenge (14) - jaboo, Dina, vetschoolsplz, supershorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Viscernable, Lupin , AM, alleycat, mkg
katashark (1) - pawprints
genny (1) - Cyndia
vetschoolsplz (3) - Cray, MsP, Zenge
mkg (1) - Chaostrodon
Viscernable (2) - Trilt, kata

22/22

Day 3 Final Tally

Viscernable (10) - Cray, Dina, genny, Trilt, AM, MsP, katashark, pawprints, Barks, jaboo
Cyndia (1) - Sporty
alleycat (4) - Lupin, LIS, mkg, Lawpy
LIS (1) - Chaostrodon
pawprintsandponytails (1) - Cyndia
AM (5) - supershorty, mayo, Viscernable, vetschoolsplz, alleycat

22/22

Day 4 Final Tally

katashark (6) - Lawpy, LIS, Trilt, pawprints, jaboo, shorty
alleycat (6) - Lupin, genny, MsP, Cyndia, vetschoolsplz, cray
Cray (6) - Dina, Barks, AM, mayo, chaos, alley

18/19
Missing: kata

Day 5 Final Tally

Cyndia (8) - AM, LIS, Trilt, Lupin, pawprints, mayo, samac, Chaostrodon
samac (4) - supershorty, Barks, Dina, Lawpy
pawprints (5) - jaboo, vetschoolsplz, Cyndia, MsP, Cray

17/17

Day 6 Final Tally

samac (2) - Barks, Chaostrodon
Chaostrodon (1) - Cray
Trilt (2) - AM, Lawpy
pawprints (8) - Trilt, Lupin, MsP, vetschoolsplz, supershorty, samac, jaboo, mayo
mayo (1) - LIS

14/15
Missing: pawprints

Day 7 Final Tally

vetschoolsplz (8) - MsP, AM, mayo, Lupin, Barks, Trilt, samac, jaboo
mayo (1) - Cray
MsP (4) - Lawpy, supershorty, vetschoolsplz, Chaostrodon

13/14
Missing: LIS

Day 8 Final Tally

samac (2) - MsP, Lawpy
MsP (5) - supershorty, Chaostrodon, Trilt, samac, Barks
cray (1) - Lupin
Chaostrodon (4) - LIS, mayo, jaboo, Cray

12/12

 

[Lupin21]

Still not a wolf. haha

I had shorty still on my long shot and don't know how I've gone with the flow since I didn't think msP was wolfy yesterday and therefor did not vote her. Still don't think anyone in my group has red in them. That is really leaving me with rethinking cray, Trilt, and until I see her flip, probably shorty. lol

Jaboo is making me nervous though. Little to no game solving and the late votes are not helping.

 

[supershorty]

Hmmmm, hacker, run in with security. Wonder what that means. Ability fail? Is there a mechanism where abilities might fail? Might explain a few things.

Lawpy mentioned, after I brought up the possibility of the hack failing, that his role PM did say he was not infallible. So the possibility of failure was there. We were both originally thinking that security coming in was the result of someone's action, but then I looked into whether hacks fail in Bioshock itself and started tinfoiling based on that.

 

[Lupin21]

I also think cray mentioned, it, but Mayo may need to be voted to make sure there wasn't a mechanical clear went wrong to make AM thrilled. lol

I could see punishment for relying on seer from any of these mods.

 

[Trilt]

Still not a wolf. haha

I had shorty still on my long shot and don't know how I've gone with the flow since I didn't think msP was wolfy yesterday and therefor did not vote her. Still don't think anyone in my group has red in them. That is really leaving me with rethinking cray, Trilt, and until I see her flip, probably shorty. lol

Jaboo is making me nervous though. Little to no game solving and the late votes are not helping.

I feel better about you after last night, some light re-reading, and LIS shooting me down yet again. 😛 Hence the lack of a lynch.

Rather, I have different thoughts lol. Really I have much too many thoughts.

(although my major thought right now is how I just really love when rDVMs send me pyos already diagnosed and ready to surgerize. weeds out all the PITA of pyo and gets the fun part to me).

 

[Lupin21]

I feel better about you after last night, some light re-reading, and LIS shooting me down yet again. 😛 Hence the lack of a lynch.

Rather, I have different thoughts lol. Really I have much too many thoughts.

(although my major thought right now is how I just really love when rDVMs send me pyos already diagnosed and ready to surgerize. weeds out all the PITA of pyo and gets the fun part to me).

pyos are fun to take out imo. So huge and gross goodness! Plus, usually fairly fast recovery from ick to ahh.

 

[Crayola227]

I also think cray mentioned, it, but Mayo may need to be voted to make sure there wasn't a mechanical clear went wrong to make AM thrilled. lol

I could see punishment for relying on seer from any of these mods.

I think I understand your point, but don't understand the bolded part.

 

[Lupin21]

I think I understand your point, but don't understand the bolded part.

Meaning he is red and not orange.

 

[Crayola227]

I am torn on voting Samac, Chaos, or Mayo today.

 

[Barkley13]

what if it's LIS

 

[Trilt]

Hi thread! I'd just like it to be known that I am talking to Crayola in PM because I am trying to get some details nailed down on yet another harebrained theory. She is concerned I am a wolf and people wouldn't know to look at me if she is NK'd because she rarely PMs with people, so here I am allaying that concern by announcing said PMing. 🙂

 

[Lupin21]

Oh gosh. I forgot to mention I had the camera click last night. Not sure if that was actually lawpy or wolf.

 

[supershorty]

Oh gosh. I forgot to mention I had the camera click last night. Not sure if that was actually lawpy or wolf.

If it was a camera shutter, it would be similar to the results others reported on nights when Lawpy protected people, so less likely to be him.

 

[Lupin21]

If it was a camera shutter, it would be similar to the results others reported on nights when Lawpy protected people, so less likely to be him.

yup. Twas the shutter.

 

[supershorty]

Unyeet samac

I just stumbled over something in one of the write ups that's making me rethink. Need to look at it more.

 

[Lupin21]

shutter being wolfy makes me feel like jaboo is probably ok. Takes samac out as someone shuttered her. Mayo, curious to know your current thoughts on game state.

 

[Lupin21]

I had also brought it up with samac, but just as a fun exercise in thinking, the wolves have been stabbing people, but what if it is one wolf who hasn't been in the PoE and has no fear being the stabby kill person over and over again?

Also, I think LiS stated he was attacked, and that was the night alley had a cig, so would that also apply to helping an additional kill attempt?

 

[samac]

shutter being wolfy makes me feel like jaboo is probably ok. Takes samac out as someone shuttered her. Mayo, curious to know your current thoughts on game state.

Mayo was also shuttered.

I do think it’s likely wolfy.

I know this is probably sticking my foot in my mouth considering I’m up for an alternative, but given we’ve lost a fair amount of villagers lately I would much prefer to yeet a wolf than a confirmed neutral.

 

[Trilt]

I had also brought it up with samac, but just as a fun exercise in thinking, the wolves have been stabbing people, but what if it is one wolf who hasn't been in the PoE and has no fear being the stabby kill person over and over again?

Also, I think LiS stated he was attacked, and that was the night alley had a cig, so would that also apply to helping an additional kill attempt?

I'm still talking, but Cray is doing very little to fix my concerns about her potentially being a double killer the night prior to her silencing.