PokeWWon: A Wild Kanto Adventure - Champs Season 12 Practice Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

@madrigal01 hate to say it, but this is, in my opinion, coming down to you. It's a tough spot to be in.

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[SARdoghandler]

Line of thinking does not hold up considering samac was willing to consider you're the last wolf and KJQ had not been opposed to yeeting you.

Samac still had you higher in their POE. KJQ was never going to vote mads so if you couldn't get anything going on me, you wouldn't have the option to "aha" it to mads

 

[SARdoghandler]

I am at this point relatively convinced the last wolf is SAR. But if I'm wrong then it's important for me and SAR to find each other (again).

I just can't see this as a wolf mads game. She should have brought KJQ to the end of it was her, not me.

You've played really well, PSV. But after being in discussion for multiple cycles, I think it's time to flip the last wolf. If we let you slip through, that's an epic village choke tbh

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I just can't see this as a wolf mads game. She should have brought KJQ to the end of it was her, not me.

You've played really well, PSV. But after being in discussion for multiple cycles, I think it's time to flip the last wolf. If we let you slip through, that's an epic village choke tbh

Agreed that the wolf is not mads. Obvious disagree that it's me.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Mads, your best bet is to think about who has seemed too sure of themselves this game/like they're fulfilling an agenda. Obviously I think it's SAR but no one can make the decision for you

 

[potentialsheltervet]

SAR, you've done an excellent job being village read this game. Truly great wolfing. I've really enjoyed playing with you regardless of how mad votes 🙂

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, you've done an excellent job being village read this game. Truly great wolfing. I've really enjoyed playing with you regardless of how mad votes 🙂

You've done an excellent job as a wolf managing to slip out of two, if not 3 yeets at this point! Masterful work and it nearly got you there too. Always enjoy playing with you too 😍

 

[SARdoghandler]

@madrigal01 it sounds like PSV and I are going to cross voting each other

Please put us out of our misery
And vote PSV

 

[SARdoghandler]

Or at least come and talk to us about where your head's at

 

[potentialsheltervet]

If the last wolf winds up being mads part of me wants to say I'll be like oh! I should've known! But also I'd probably just go ah... Yeah she earned it.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

because if that's the scenario we're in I am simply not getting there

 

[SARdoghandler]

 

[SARdoghandler]

😭

Send help PSV and I are just staring at each other across a proverbially empty room with a 3rd empty chair

Ok but then I saw this gif and I laughed

Spoiler: Click

 

[WildZoo]

Ok but then I saw this gif and I laughed

Spoiler: Click

snort

 

[madrigal01]

Sorry y'all work was rough I'm here now

 

[madrigal01]

 

[madrigal01]

I'm sure the ghost chat is screaming at me, how's the afterlife y'all?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Sorry y'all work was rough I'm here now

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm sure the ghost chat is screaming at me, how's the afterlife y'all?

But what are your thoughts pls

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Also what do you mean by ghost chat?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

the paranoia is violent right now
mads seems so unbothered with the state of the game and what if it's because SAR and I are the villagers and mad is just waiting for one of us to vote so she can jump on
ARGH

 

[SARdoghandler]

the paranoia is violent right now
mads seems so unbothered with the state of the game and what if it's because SAR and I are the villagers and mad is just waiting for one of us to vote so she can jump on
ARGH

I hate end game

 

[madrigal01]

Honestly, my thoughts at this point are that if it's not PSV, I'm so screwed. I think it makes the most sense, I've read through both of your post histories, and maybe it's my own brain's influence talking but a lot of their accusations make it seem more 'putting suspicion on someone else so they don't think it's me.' They were the next on the list in the most agreed on POE, and I'm not a fan of how the end of the last 'day' went where it felt like a wolf cornered.

 

[madrigal01]

Also what do you mean by ghost chat?

There's a chat for all the dead people of the game ?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

There's a chat for all the dead people of the game ?

Where'd you get that info?

 

[madrigal01]

Where'd you get that info?

supershorty in my pms 🤷‍♀️

 

[potentialsheltervet]

supershorty in my pms 🤷‍♀️

hmm
That's fair

 

[potentialsheltervet]

where it felt like a wolf cornered.

Alas, that's my village floundering. samac had been saying frequently that something felt off and there were some allusions to a wolf in village reads. "Last night" was me scrabbling for who was most suitable as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Here, can we do an activity?
@madrigal01 Can you list pros (village indicators) and cons (wolf indicators) for me and SAR? Fine if it's just vibes or pings. This isn't homework lol
@SARdoghandler wanna lay out a case on me? I will do the same for you.
I'm not 100% confident which of you it is, but one of you is a villager who's about to make a mistake. If that happens, it's fine. But can we all show our work first?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Honestly, my thoughts at this point are that if it's not PSV, I'm so screwed. I think it makes the most sense, I've read through both of your post histories, and maybe it's my own brain's influence talking but a lot of their accusations make it seem more 'putting suspicion on someone else so they don't think it's me.' They were the next on the list in the most agreed on POE, and I'm not a fan of how the end of the last 'day' went where it felt like a wolf cornered.

I'm glad we're on the same page

 

[SARdoghandler]

Here, can we do an activity?
@madrigal01 Can you list pros (village indicators) and cons (wolf indicators) for me and SAR? Fine if it's just vibes or pings. This isn't homework lol
@SARdoghandler wanna lay out a case on me? I will do the same for you.
I'm not 100% confident which of you it is, but one of you is a villager who's about to make a mistake. If that happens, it's fine. But can we all show our work first?

Gonna be honest that I'm a solid glass of wine and a double Moscow mule in at this point but I can try?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Listen, I refuse to be a misyeet in F3 without at least a decent fight. I've been going through finals in second year and to be dragged to F3 as a villager? Smh smh

 

[SARdoghandler]

Listen, I refuse to be a misyeet in F3 without at least a decent fight. I've been going through finals in second year and to be dragged to F3 as a villager? Smh smh
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I mean, I think you're a wolf trying for the last minute switch but I'm deference to being a worth opponent, I will play the game

Otoh, I now have a second glass of wine in my hand so @madrigal01 lemme know if and when you're decided to vote before I descend into Drank Queen posting

 

[potentialsheltervet]

If mad decides to vote me, there's nothing I can do... except be right, at the last minute! And thus I compile a list of SAR's crimes.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Gonna be frank that I was village racing pav through the majority of early game. But that's too be expected with a skilled wolf.

I've pulled some quotes below which I think are the most convincing arguments. Those include having less convincing village points when compared to other players, including mads (cannot speak to myself as there is the obvious bias of knowing I am village). Then there is this f3 making the most sense in a wolf!PSV world. Finally, the fact that no one jumped onto hammer for Samac fake vote yesterday gives strong evidence that PSV is the last wolf as she wouldn't hammer herself.

I think my overall arguments are weakest for Moon, Clem, and PSV.

Thanks for attempting that Samac, I was hoping you would. That solidifies my argument for PSV

To be clear, I think this f3 makes sense because PSV switched to pushing me yesterday

I think she brought you, mads because Samac was pretty convinced I'm village and I bet PSV thought she could convince you better than KJQ to vote for me today

I've not bothered to proof read so apologies for drunk typos but hopefully they are at least amusing

 

[SARdoghandler]

If mad decides to vote me, there's nothing I can do... except be right, at the last minute! And thus I compile a list of SAR's crimes.

My only crime is being hilarious

And drinking wine on f3 night

 

[supershorty]

drinking wine

Oh, the mules are okay? It's just the wine you're faulting??
What did wine ever do to you smh

 

[SARdoghandler]

Oh, the mules are okay? It's just the wine you're faulting??
What did wine ever do to you smh

Mules were first and probably would've been fine

But then I continued

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Alright, part one.

Spoiler: SAR Quotes, pt. uno

Asking me questions based on meta is not going to be a strong suit of mine.

That said, isn't mayo one of the players that always has a policy yeet? In which case, I'd expect him to make the same opening post regardless, but perhaps with more dedication to it if wolf in an attempt to get that village read for consistency

Soft mayo defense

Whoever said the thread feels very town-driven right now, I think I agree right now. I wanted to try and leave an informed vote before I go to bed but have more village leans than wolf.

I'm feeling reasonable about PSV, JJJ, Samac, Moonster, and Santy. Probably in about that order on strength of feels. Everyone else on thread today is sitting more null until more content is available

Easy to have more village leans than wolf when you're a wolf and have to manufacture sus

i like what santy, jjj, SAR, and Clem have done so far.

This is a big ding for me tbh. It's reasonable to think one of genny's few posts would include light, even joking, defense of a packmate; it was discussed quite a bit a while back with Clem.

Are you seeing a parallel from Mayo's wolfing games to this one? Or is this based on finding something in this game specifically to be questionable?

He's definitely not done anything outside of his wolfrange yet.

He made a wall post and didn't even mention pigeons once 🤔

This exchange doesn't include any reflection on SAR's feelings on mayo, only her questions on AM's. Her "criticism" is a jest. But it shows an interest in that slot so she can't be later accused of not interacting with it. Pretty classic packmate interaction tbh

On the contrary, I actually don't find Zenge wolfy for the vote for me tbh. Seems more like something he does as town.

More village points for PSV

I'm honestly not sure what the motivation behind her frequently defending me is. Unless she'd hoped to pocket me and take me to endgame if necessary? Idk. It's pretty consistent until "yesterday".

Of the people with enough of a presence on thread to evaluate, I'm trying to decide if I feel worse about Zenge's thought process feeling opportunistic (but may just be that it's different to how I process, which I think happens not infrequently between me and zenge) or about Mayo popping in but not really contributing anything besides his usual **** posting

This leaves room to either bus her packmate (and show she hasn't been defending him the whole time if he goes over) or turn on a villager instead. It's a post that says "this is my thought process" but doesn't come to a conclusion because the conclusion is necessarily determined by how village behaves.

I don't hate a genny yet because I haven't felt the genny way. But I do kinda hate it on D1 for reasons already long stated

Another post leaving room to flop on a packmate. It's not "let's never yeet genny, she's def village!" it's merely "let's not yeet her today"... lest the tides change and she not be yoten at all.

I'm not loving my mayo vote with current thread state but also don't live the two leading wagons

Unyeet mayo
Yeet zenge?

I don't feel KayJay's posts were wolfy as compared to legit busy and I don't love a D1 genny as previously stated

Question mark to allow for plausible deniability

I’ve had this on again off again feeling about moony moony Bo boony for too much of this cycle.

I think I have to do it.

Yeet Moonster

Talk to me more about this. Something made me shuffle her lower on my village leans pile when I was slimming but I'm struggling to find it again on mobile

This is yet again an instance of being open to a yeet but not joining it just yet.

Ok 5 minutes before I have to wake baby, here are quick thoughts on Dina from yesterday. My apologies if this is trading over already discussed ground because I haven't read deep details in thread today yet.

Spoiler: D1 Dina ISO and thoughts

The beginning of this felt good but the backpacking kind of turned it into a nothing sandwich which feels like trying to look like independent thought on thread but not wanting to commit to a stance.


More reads that seem very wishy washy. Could just be early D1 and towny indecision but lines up with my thoughts on her first post where is an easy way to look engaged and like your solving for a good wolf.


GTH Moonster town, but votes for her?


GTH genny mafia but avoids that vote? These two in conjunction with each other looks bad unless there is a tone change as the day progresses.


This is the first somewhat solid stance that she took on any player outside of the GTH exercise and I don't hate it. It's also part of why I myself gave PSV village points so thinking on the same lines here might be a first possible village point for Dina?

She then had some more posts about moving Samac, mayo, and zenge to village lean but nothing that stood out as needing individual analysis to me.


I understand the waffling thought because I basically did the same but I don't understand why she moved to moon when she had GTH towned her earlier and never once discussed her.

While I think I can give her a village point or two, I'm not sure if it's enough to overpower the concerning initial posts (that could easily be a wolf finding footing) or the more concerning voting progression at the end that seemed counter to her previous thoughts without justification

Attempt to shift sus onto Dina as a potential village misyeet but also leaves room to retract the read ("a village point or two")

I don't necessarily agree. Poem writing is NAI for him and I think he's savvy enough to reasonably mimic a village tone when it's light hearted poeming

I'd anything I'm slightly leery that we haven't had more poems. I'm used to at least a daily one, but can't say whether that's AI for Mayo or not. Especially since we've already identified that meta reads in this game might be doing a disservice to proper tone and action solving

This post is kind of a lot of nothing re: mayo. Poem writing is NAI but also might be AI.

Yes, today. I'm trying to make Mayo's progression and thoughts from yesterday make sense if he is not exactly wolf!Mayo but I'm finding more points for wolfish defense who knows he's caught rather than a village doctor trying to figure out why his action was seen

Mayo was out of time once Zenge flipped tracker. Aggressive distancing is the only path forward, which is what SAR does immediately.

Overall: lots of hesitant reads to allow for walking things back or shifting based on threadstate, which is necessary when your wincon relies on misyeeting villagers. Prodding others to explain reads but explains her own thought process retroactively to avoid saying anything damning.
Conclusion: SAR is a wolf.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Part two:

Spoiler: Part Dos

Do you think this could potentially be a wolf trying to distance from mayo knowing that the jig was up and trying to gain credit.

I'm also reading PSV village here but if we end up stuck later, that's something that jumped out from your analysis

Knowing her I don't think she would have changed the vote onto her packmate tbh unless it was necessary. But that is entirely meta and I wouldn't lock my read into it.

This stuck out to me both because it's about me and because it's an instance of leaving wiggle room.

I want to go back and iso moon tomorrow because I remember something she said sounded weird to me later on D1 (I think I mentioned it earlier?) but now I can't remember what it was but worth revisiting. That will be on my to-do once I am capable

Example of a "yeah something felt weird, hmm what was it?" post, which tend to surface when someone starts being in yeet contention.

Also I did finally go back and look in detail at the area where I should have found the post that made me hmmm but I cannot find it again. So either reading it with fresh eyes it no longer jumps out, or it was more of a possible tone shift that I felt in the moment but that are hard to identify afterwards. It may have been that right after your GTH reads there was a short period where I felt quite a few of your posts were jokey whereas before they had all felt majority solvey. Either way, not strong enough to push me one way or the other.

Suspicious content not found. Coincidentally, moon was not a clear misyeet anymore.

We've already addressed that my memory is terrible but I don't think I've ever won as a wolf. Or if I have it's only because I went down early to save the pack. I tend to be a very terrible, early caught wolf 😂 and I think AM is often one of the players who catches me easily if I am howling behind the scenes

Conveniently, this was said ONLY AFTER AM WAS KILLED. Meaning the only player who could reliably agree or disagree with this claim was not around to substantiate it.

Thanks for attempting that Samac, I was hoping you would. That solidifies my argument for PSV

Why would she be hoping for an attempt here? If she already believed KJQ and mads were village and thus through deduction that means the last wolf must be myself, why is this post? Seems like merely a "yes it has been PSV all along!"

And thus: SAR is a wolf who has not been pushing misyeets, but ready to jump upon them when they occur or back off with pressure when they start to dissolve. SAR is wolf pasta, shaped by the water of threadstate.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I rest my case. SAR is a villain. Her agenda has been to blend in and be village-read. Now, her agenda is to get me yeeted so she can win the game. @madrigal01 , reading the quotes above, in my opinion, show pretty clearly that she's been working with ulterior motives since D1.
But ultimately, you are judge and jury. I can only ask you act in accordance with the evidence and sentence SAR to Yeetsville.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I've been waiting to vote because if I'm wrong, oof. But at this point... if I'm wrong, it is what it is. My mind won't be changed. It's time for decision.
Vote SAR

 

[SARdoghandler]

I rest my case. SAR is a villain. Her agenda has been to blend in and be village-read. Now, her agenda is to get me yeeted so she can win the game. @madrigal01 , reading the quotes above, in my opinion, show pretty clearly that she's been working with ulterior motives since D1.
But ultimately, you are judge and jury. I can only ask you act in accordance with the evidence and sentence SAR to Yeetsville.

Yeetsville sounds terrible. 1/10 starts on Yelp

 

[potentialsheltervet]

The die is cast. Do as you will, magic. Magic, do as you will.

 

[SARdoghandler]

I've been waiting to vote because if I'm wrong, oof. But at this point... if I'm wrong, it is what it is. My mind won't be changed. It's time for decision.
Vote SAR

Yeet PSV 😤

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yeet PSV 😤

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I guess I'll just clench until madrigal returns
Drunk!SAR, can I interest you in xikers?

 

[SARdoghandler]

I guess I'll just clench until madrigal returns
Drunk!SAR, can I interest you in xikers?

Listen, we're basically

At this point so why not

 

[potentialsheltervet]

EXCELLENT

 

[SARdoghandler]

xikers

I have no idea how to say this and my drunk brain has come up with at least 5 different ways at this point