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[Lawpy]

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Where is Vis btw though?

Wait how are you reading her? Not sure whether i missed your reply

 

[LetItSnow]

wolf clear, where wolf, why can't i see wolf?

 

[genny]

when did you grow boobs?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wait how are you reading her? Not sure whether i missed your reply

Wolfy per what looked like forced defense of mayo.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I see what you mean.

 

[LetItSnow]

Nothing about that post was throwing shade at you........?
I was saying I didn't agree with your analysis of the sunshine kill, that's it.

Ok. I buy that, at least.

I'm still about 76.3% sure you're a wolf.

 

[SportPonies]

That's fine, but my pushing Ponies has a game purpose and I don't <believe> I've made any personal attacks.

push something valid then, not repeated snark about my postcount.

 

[SportPonies]

Ok. I buy that, at least.

I'm still about 76.3% sure you're a wolf.

Guess you're 76.3% wrong

 

[Lupin21]

That's fine, but my pushing Ponies has a game purpose and I don't <believe> I've made any personal attacks.

I was teasing a bit. I am all for war, only not when someone gets a soul punch. Honestly, I think most the time we're good, but that line sneaks up sometimes.

 

[genny]

Wolfy per what looked like forced defense of mayo.

come vote vissy with me.

 

[Animal Midwife]

come vote vissy with me.

I wish you wouldn't use lowercase like that, but I'll try it and see what happens.

Unyeet genny
Yeet Vis

 

[supershorty]

Unyeet AM
because that's clearly not going anywhere tonight.

The wagon seeming to stabilize makes me think wolves might be happy with a pleasy yeet. And I think we'll get a lot of info from this flip. But if he flips village, it'll give me info on quite a few people.
Yeet Zenge.

 

[LetItSnow]

hangin in wolf chat

You'd know. 🙂

 

[LetItSnow]

when did you grow boobs?

Genny, if I grew boobs I wouldn't be here right now.

 

[Lawpy]

You'd know. 🙂

How are you reading vissy? Sorry if i missed it

 

[genny]

I see what you mean.

you know i don't post vote trackers as a wolf. too time consuming. exclusively village genny thing. what's the point of having a village tell if you don't use it, hm?

 

[Viscernable]

I had a theory of AM/Z powerwolfing and AM aiming to pocket Lawpy so went on an AM iso. It made me feel better about her, especially since the genny fight looked more villagey on her side on this reading than it did at first. She had strong points and genny did seem somehow off and defensive in a wolfy way. I don’t want to vote for her or Z tonight but I want to post this for future reference.

Okay, Lawpy's entered the village bloc.

Right out of the gate. Felt excessive/premature to not just say he sounds village but declare him part of village bloc. One of the posts that felt pockety to me.

Yes, my readslist currently looks like this.

Lawpy
shorty
MsP
Lupin
mkg
alley
Barks
chaos
Cray
Zenge
sunshine
Dina
please
alissa
April
genny

Noted

Do you have thoughts on the other players that were talking about it? Because it wasn't just Zenge.

Subtle defense of Z

What's your lean on mayo, Barks, genny, MsP, and Lupin based on comments?

I’m glad to see AM was asking about reads of people other than Z, though

Just dropping by, but the fluff read was from alissa not mkg.

Poor thoughts. genny started off the day with a read and lost it by she came back without ever talking about why it swung to the other side.

She muddles her reads more frequently while wolfing early on. Not to say she can't be confused as a villager, but I do think she's capable of identifying as least a couple village reads given the level of discussion yesterday.

I'm still giving her a D1 pass. It's not anywhere near the strength and stability of my Lawpy read, but it's enough to take her out of my policy yeet category should she come back later today with just as strong content.

This is the main post that made me suspicious of w/w AM/Z, I think. It’s not inherently w/w at all, but with how strongly I was (am? I still feel very bad about Z but maybe worse about genny and I still don’t think they’re w/w) wolfreading Z, it felt co-ordinated to me.

Also probably the main post to give me a pockety feeling. “It's not anywhere near the strength and stability of my Lawpy read” wasn’t necessary to the point - why bring up Lawpy, other than to gratuitously remind him she’s village-reading him? Also, the tone seems kind of over-the-top. I definitely get where sunny was coming from when she poked at AM about her “village golden boy” Lawpy read.

It especially gave me pause because, like, why are you shouting your strongest village read so loudly? I feel better about it since AM also posted other village reads, but it would still be weird to go out of your way to let the wolves know who your *strongest* village read is, especially when there’s not really any suspicion on him.

Aren't there only three votes for her?

But here the first to poke holes in Z’s argument, which makes me feel a bit better.

Neutral.

I forget what this post was. Is it a reply to Z? If so I quoted it because it’s an example of how I felt like they were playing off each other in a way that could be rehearsed to force their way into a “village bloc”. Just a lot of working together on reasoning. Of course, the obvious alternate explanation is... that AM was really working to form a village bloc early. Which I obviously don’t want to interrupt if it’s going on, which is why I feel so conflicted about AM.

Not sure. I still have a slight village lean on mkg, but I somewhat understand where Cyndia is coming from. No read on Cyndia herself yet though.

AM making sure to answer open questions from Lawpy. Obviously not at all wolfy on its own, provillage if anything, but it would fit with a pocketing strategy imo.

What made you choose Zenge specifically?

Did you change your mind on Zenge?

Do you think genny/Zenge are w/w?

I don't see where anyone restricted it to five. Just surprised you hate all of them. What are your reasons for village reading kata and Zenge?

A lot of concern over how others are reading Z.

Does this match village!Vis to you?

What's got you village reading April? And do you have a lean on mayo?

Asking about people other than Z, which makes me feel better that she’s sincerely wolfhunting instead of just trying to feel out the thread’s read of her packmate

So you're wolf leaning genny now?

Asking about genny, but in the context of a z/genny interaction. Trying to feel out reads of Z without directly asking?

You gave no lean in your original post.

Are you wolf leaning genny now?

I do agree that mayo was being evasive, but idk if that was village frustration with being “interrogated” as he feels AM does or if it was strategic avoidance.

No. I said that saying there's a wolf hiding on me when there's exactly one voter doesn't make sense or seem realistic from any angle. Especially with the snapread she gave.

Sidenote but I’m still confused about this. There were like 3-4 people who voted for you at some point yesterday.

He's in a weird spot for me. The points that have been brought up against him by others I'm reading as village seem pretty valid. The issue is I can't see him with genny. I'm village reading him because he's pushing genny. I am hoping he's more active tomorrow though.

No longer appearing to work together with Z. It looks like a good sign to me, since most of my suspicion of her came from her interactions with Z, but maybe she just gave up on powerwolfing this game since it seems like the suspicion on Z can’t be shifted.

[sunny fight. No quotes because there’s too much]

At first in the sunny fight she seemed too flippant to me, like she wasn’t trying to wolfhunt but instead just playing with her food while letting sunny dig herself into a hole. But then she did start putting in more effort and asking sunny more probing questions.

I’m not sure if it reflects badly or well on her that sunny was nightkilled. From what AM’s said about her wolfing style in previous games (ive never played with wolf AM) I wouldn’t be surprised by her killing someone who was sus of her, but I don’t think enough people were village-reading sunny for it to be worthwhile, and it would be strange for Z and AM to waste a NK after putting in work to make sunny look more suspicious with at least some success. But there’s the typical NKA problem of WIFOM with that reasoning.

I am also mindful of the possibility it was noobwolf move by people uninvolved in the fight trying to throw suspicion on those who were.



TLDR early it looked to me like AM was maybe collaborating with z and trying to pocket lawpy, but ISOing her made me feel less suspicious of her since her wolfhunting looks more sincere than I remembered, and because I think genny is the most wolfy player and they’re incompatible imo

 

[Animal Midwife]

you know i don't post vote trackers as a wolf. too time consuming. exclusively village genny thing. what's the point of having a village tell if you don't use it, hm?

those i's crawl down my back and make me nervous

 

[LetItSnow]

push something valid then, not repeated snark about my postcount.

It wasn't just about post-count. It was about the continued lack of .... anything actionable. Put a stake in the ground. Go somewhere. Say something you can be held to.

Or, yanno, maybe vote. Seems like you're holding it for something special. Why?

 

[LetItSnow]

Guess you're 76.3% wrong

Wouldn't be the first time, but I'm gonna roll with it until you give me a reason not to. Which you haven't.

 

[SportPonies]

Want to keep note of these reads. Agreed on the shorty/trilt exchange (though it reads v/v to me).

Not sure how to feel about waffling on alissa - would it be weird for a wolf to make a show of waffling on someone who would likely be voted out D1? It feels like it draws more attention to them and throws away the cover of “yeah I voted out a villager but I was so sure they were a wolf, aw shucks!”. But you could also argue it’s trying to stoke a misyeet without being too solidly tied to it. I think that way lies bad WIFOM so I’ll drop it.

not a fan of this post..... I'm not really one to call being wishy-washy a wolf move, but this just doesn't feel like a village post.

I considered this but thought the post sounded fine so wrote it off, but now that you mention it, iirc helpful!schools was part of wolf playstyle in basics

the "but now that you mention it" rubs me the wrong way here.

 

[LetItSnow]

How are you reading vissy? Sorry if i missed it

I don't think you missed it.

I don't know how to interpret Vissy. So, neutral, I guess.

 

[genny]

those i's crawl down my back and make me nervous

I'm very sleepy and might not actually make it to yeet close and pressing the shift key is extra work.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2 No Gods Or Kings, Only Man Vote Tally

mayo ()
Zenge (4) - jaboo, Dina, vetschoolsplz, supershorty
katashark (1) - pawprints
genny (2) - Lawpy, Cyndia
vetschoolsplz (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alleycat, MsP
Sporty (1) - LIS
mkg (1) - Chaostrodon
MsP ()
Viscernable (4) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM
Chaostrodon (1) - Zenge
Cyndia (1) - mayo
AM ()

20/22

Leading: @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Missing: @SportPonies @Viscernable

Vote/Yeet deadline closes TODAY at 10pm Eastern, Thursday, 3/4/2021 (~25 minutes)

 

[Animal Midwife]

I had a theory of AM/Z powerwolfing and AM aiming to pocket Lawpy so went on an AM iso. It made me feel better about her, especially since the genny fight looked more villagey on her side on this reading than it did at first. She had strong points and genny did seem somehow off and defensive in a wolfy way. I don’t want to vote for her or Z tonight but I want to post this for future reference.


Right out of the gate. Felt excessive/premature to not just say he sounds village but declare him part of village bloc. One of the posts that felt pockety to me.

Noted

Subtle defense of Z

I’m glad to see AM was asking about reads of people other than Z, though

This is the main post that made me suspicious of w/w AM/Z, I think. It’s not inherently w/w at all, but with how strongly I was (am? I still feel very bad about Z but maybe worse about genny and I still don’t think they’re w/w) wolfreading Z, it felt co-ordinated to me.

Also probably the main post to give me a pockety feeling. “It's not anywhere near the strength and stability of my Lawpy read” wasn’t necessary to the point - why bring up Lawpy, other than to gratuitously remind him she’s village-reading him? Also, the tone seems kind of over-the-top. I definitely get where sunny was coming from when she poked at AM about her “village golden boy” Lawpy read.

It especially gave me pause because, like, why are you shouting your strongest village read so loudly? I feel better about it since AM also posted other village reads, but it would still be weird to go out of your way to let the wolves know who your *strongest* village read is, especially when there’s not really any suspicion on him.

But here the first to poke holes in Z’s argument, which makes me feel a bit better.


I forget what this post was. Is it a reply to Z? If so I quoted it because it’s an example of how I felt like they were playing off each other in a way that could be rehearsed to force their way into a “village bloc”. Just a lot of working together on reasoning. Of course, the obvious alternate explanation is... that AM was really working to form a village bloc early. Which I obviously don’t want to interrupt if it’s going on, which is why I feel so conflicted about AM.


AM making sure to answer open questions from Lawpy. Obviously not at all wolfy on its own, provillage if anything, but it would fit with a pocketing strategy imo.








A lot of concern over how others are reading Z.




Asking about people other than Z, which makes me feel better that she’s sincerely wolfhunting instead of just trying to feel out the thread’s read of her packmate

Asking about genny, but in the context of a z/genny interaction. Trying to feel out reads of Z without directly asking?


I do agree that mayo was being evasive, but idk if that was village frustration with being “interrogated” as he feels AM does or if it was strategic avoidance.


Sidenote but I’m still confused about this. There were like 3-4 people who voted for you at some point yesterday.



No longer appearing to work together with Z. It looks like a good sign to me, since most of my suspicion of her came from her interactions with Z, but maybe she just gave up on powerwolfing this game since it seems like the suspicion on Z can’t be shifted.

[sunny fight. No quotes because there’s too much]

At first in the sunny fight she seemed too flippant to me, like she wasn’t trying to wolfhunt but instead just playing with her food while letting sunny dig herself into a hole. But then she did start putting in more effort and asking sunny more probing questions.

I’m not sure if it reflects badly or well on her that sunny was nightkilled. From what AM’s said about her wolfing style in previous games (ive never played with wolf AM) I wouldn’t be surprised by her killing someone who was sus of her, but I don’t think enough people were village-reading sunny for it to be worthwhile, and it would be strange for Z and AM to waste a NK after putting in work to make sunny look more suspicious with at least some success. But there’s the typical NKA problem of WIFOM with that reasoning.

I am also mindful of the possibility it was noobwolf move by people uninvolved in the fight trying to throw suspicion on those who were.



TLDR early it looked to me like AM was maybe collaborating with z and trying to pocket lawpy, but ISOing her made me feel less suspicious of her since her wolfhunting looks more sincere than I remembered, and because I think genny is the most wolfy player and they’re incompatible imo

Do you have updated thoughts on Zenge as well?

 

[SportPonies]

It wasn't just about post-count. It was about the continued lack of .... anything actionable. Put a stake in the ground. Go somewhere. Say something you can be held to.

Or, yanno, maybe vote. Seems like you're holding it for something special. Why?

guess the postcount comments are unnecessary then 😛

If that's what you're upset about, then say it. And then... keep being bothered, I guess, because this is pretty much how I play early-game. Preferably without being chronically behind, but that seems to be a thing for me nowadays as well.

30 pages tardy doesn't make it easy to place an educated vote, which is why I'm taking my time to read while I decide.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

We're having waffles early (late?) I see

 

[Lupin21]

Hmmm. Yeah, at this point I'd say those not voting are on principal suspect. I am pretty sure I've held my vote this long before if I had plans for a wolf trap though. Which is it for sports and vis?

 

[Viscernable]

Zenge (3) - jaboo, Dina, vetschoolsplz
katashark (1) - pawprints
genny (3) - AM, Lawpy, Cyndia
vetschoolsplz (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alleycat, MsP

Hm. I was going to vote genny but I don’t like that Cyndia is on it. The 5/3/3 on vets/z/genny with lots of scattered votes and no wagon with multiple people that seem wolfy... also makes me feel very weird. It doesn’t look like wolves are fighting the leading wagon. I guess of the three wagons that leaves me with Z? But I’m not eager to vote with please.

Hopefully wolves actually are fighting the pleasey yeet and the issue is just that I’m misreading who all the other wolves are

 

[LetItSnow]

guess the postcount comments are unnecessary then 😛

If that's what you're upset about, then say it. And then... keep being bothered, I guess, because this is pretty much how I play early-game. Preferably without being chronically behind, but that seems to be a thing for me nowadays as well.

30 pages tardy doesn't make it easy to place an educated vote, which is why I'm taking my time to read while I decide.

Nope. It was about both. I'm comfortable with what I said.

Take your time? Why? You can always change your vote. How 'bout putting a stake in the ground for the world to see?

 

[LetItSnow]

I wish people'd come vote Sporty with me. If I'm wrong, I'll take my lumps, but the more this goes on the more I like it. There's a chance it's just inflammatory v on v violence, but I'm thinking probs not.

 

[kaydubs]

The 5/3/3 on vets/z/genny

It got even closer

 

[Lawpy]

those i's crawl down my back and make me nervous

what about this İ?

 

[LetItSnow]

Hm. I was going to vote genny but I don’t like that Cyndia is on it. The 5/3/3 on vets/z/genny with lots of scattered votes and no wagon with multiple people that seem wolfy... also makes me feel very weird. It doesn’t look like wolves are fighting the leading wagon. I guess of the three wagons that leaves me with Z? But I’m not eager to vote with please.

Hopefully wolves actually are fighting the pleasey yeet and the issue is just that I’m misreading who all the other wolves are

I'm dubious that the wolves would fight a wolf vote terribly hard at this point in the game when none have been identified. The risk of getting caught up fighting it compared to the downside of a single wolf loss .... it's not really worth that much risk. Sure they'll see if they can swing it a little from a wolf vote, but they aren't going to go to the mat for it. Yanno?

 

[supershorty]

I wish people'd come vote Sporty with me. If I'm wrong, I'll take my lumps, but the more this goes on the more I like it. There's a chance it's just inflammatory v on v violence, but I'm thinking probs not.

What info will we get if sporty flips village? That's my hesitation right now.

 

[SportPonies]

Nope. It was about both. I'm comfortable with what I said.

Take your time? Why? You can always change your vote. How 'bout putting a stake in the ground for the world to see?

I already made a comment earlier to Zenge about voting without reading defense, so.

 

[Dinashadow]

@Dinashadow can you remind me who else is in your POE other than Zenge, genny, and pleasy?

Edit: sorry, I missed that Zenge already asked you this

I took pleasy and genny out tbh. My POE is based on zenge being a wolf with one wolf pack

I started to put this together in the past hour and haven't completely fleshed it out

mkg, AM, Trilt, Lupin, alley, lawpy, MsP

There's a few other people I have to look at more (cray and cyndia come to mind but they've been giving me some village vibes), but I haven't gotten a chance because I've been busy today.

 

[SportPonies]

Yeet LIS

That feel any better?

 

[holdthemayo]

Coming back on now, I won't be able to catch up in time.

I'm fine with Pleasy or Zenge, but Z is my stronger read.

I would rather vote out Cynd or AM, but I've made my case on both, don't have time to do more, and it's not picking up traction.

Unyeet Cynd
Yeet Z

 

[SportPonies]

unyeet LIS

because I actually think he's village, so

 

[LetItSnow]

Referencing the wolf voting at this point... Something like wolf paws vote on wolf kata is more likely where one would hide. It's no risk because I've pushed hard on a kata vote, so paws can always hide behind "*shrug* I liked what LIS said about it." And, simultaneously, there's the chance I come back and push it hard and actually sway some people - which just emphasizes my contribution to it. And also simultaneously, there's not a HUGE chance of that, so it's unlikely to be an actual wolf bus, so low risk and might pay off later if kata flips wolf and paws can say "dang, I knew it."

All in all, that's where I'd hide as a wolf. Not necessarily that specific vote, but something like it. Defensible no matter what happens, might be useful down the road.

 

[SportPonies]

hmmm. This could be interesting.

yeet Visc

 

[LetItSnow]

What info will we get if sporty flips village? That's my hesitation right now.

Ok. Yeah. That's the one argument against it I can respect. She flips village, we didn't really get much, because her reads aren't useful. She flips wolf, we haven't really gotten much, either, aside from the obvious.

I still like it.

 

[LetItSnow]

Yeet LIS

That feel any better?

Hella yes. Thank you.

 

[LetItSnow]

unyeet LIS

because I actually think he's village, so

Dammit Sporty. I thought you were serious. 🙂

 

[Lupin21]

I took pleasy and genny out tbh. My POE is based on zenge being a wolf with one wolf pack

I started to put this together in the past hour and haven't completely fleshed it out

mkg, AM, Trilt, Lupin, alley, lawpy, MsP

There's a few other people I have to look at more (cray and cyndia come to mind but they've been giving me some village vibes), but I haven't gotten a chance because I've been busy today.

Alley and mkg are the only ones I agree with on that list. And what made you take out genny and pleasy?

 

[Dinashadow]

Alley and mkg are the only ones I agree with on that list. And what made you take out genny and pleasy?

Not compatible with zenge as a wolf unless there's bussing

 

[SportPonies]

Dammit Sporty. I thought you were serious. 🙂

Sadly no. It's been maybe a billion years since I've played with you so no hat-eating here, but fairly sure you're village.

I reiterate the sadly. 😛

 

[LetItSnow]

Alright. I'll give it a half an hour (I can't remember when lynch closes, though) and then if nobody wants in, I'll toss my Sporty vote in the rear-view mirror and go somewhere else.

 

[supershorty]

Alright. I'll give it a half an hour (I can't remember when lynch closes, though) and then if nobody wants in, I'll toss my Sporty vote in the rear-view mirror and go somewhere else.

Lynch closes in 15 min.