I don't think you've every played with Lupin or Trilt either. Is there a reason you picked him specifically?
Questioning that felt like village!AM
She's got two votes already. I'm also not sure why your claiming surprise when I haven't voted her at start in months.
I can't verify this based on my own play experiences because I've only played one game with both AM and MsP, who is the "she" being referred to in this post, but this is at least true for that particular game.
Does she not joke vote while wolfing?
This was in response to April saying that pleasy's joke vote on me seemed like genuine pleasy. This didn't strike me as different from village!AM either.
Smells like burnt salt in here.
This was in response to Cray talking about pocketing, and that she doesn't think that AM did much to pocket in the last game. I laughed at this comment and I really pulled more because I think Cray raises a very valid point. There were some residents of AM's pockets in the last game, but I don't feel like she actively manipulated them to get them there. I've been pocketed by other people in other games, and a lot of the pocketing in the GGoats game more seemed like people who were unable or unwilling to read AM as a wolf, more than it was that she was actively coaxing people there. Side note, but so far in this game, Cray has used the phrase "living in someone's butt" twice, and I think it's funny.
@Ms Procrastinator did you finish catching up?
village!AM does this a lot. wolf!AM could do it too. I'm not going to keep pulling these quotes because there are a lot of these questions that could be coming from any!AM and I'm only on page 3 of 21. I don't want this to be a 5 hour ISO where I'm going "AM asked a question, seems like village!AM but could be wolf!AM."
Then there was a bunch of arguing with April over stuff that really didn't matter for current gamestate. April was trying to say that AM was deliberately misinterpreting stuff like she did in GGoats, I honestly don't really see it in the posts that she referenced - although I have seen it later on and I'll get to that but I have a lot of pages left. I'm not pulling those arguments because I don't see a point, but I want to note that when AM was wolfing in GGoats, she was much more willing to go off topic than when I've played with village!AM.
Then we get into some arguing with genny, and what's interesting here is that this was one of the times where I got pinged by something that seems insignificant overall, but I noticed it in the GGoats game too and I haven't noticed it in other games. In the GGoats game, when AM was arguing with people - and not arguing based on evidence, just arguing - she uses their name a lot more when she responds to them. And in the argument with genny, she kept doing that. In one of the few instances in GGoats where I saw her blatantly manipulate someone, she did it a lot. So when I saw that with genny, it got my attention. I've only seen wolf!AM once so this isn't an observation I'm willing to hang my hat on, but I'm willing to make it.
At that point I was starting to be unsure of how I was reading both genny and AM, so I asked them both for their reads. These are the reads AM gave me:
Yes, my readslist currently looks like this.
Lawpy
shorty
MsP
Lupin
mkg
alley
Barks
chaos
Cray
Zenge
sunshine
Dina
please
alissa
April
genny
Here's the thing: I am
not saying that I expect AM's reads to be perfect, or even that I hold her to a higher standard because she's so good at the game or whatever. I'm just making an observation that there are 4 dead villagers at this point, and 3 of them were pretty far down on her list. Now - I also had wolf leans on April and Alissa, so I cannot throw stones. I am just making an observation.
The explanations that she gave, when April asked about specific people and I asked about the top 3 or 4 on each end of the spectrum, read fairly genuine to me. Nothing in there is jumping out at me as a stretch.
shorty - the similar initial reactions to people I was having and keeping the content ratio high despite posting less than usual this game so far
MsP - contributing early with decent thoughts that place a stake in the sand and aren't total echos
Lupin - I don't agree with her snap read on April, but I like how she handled the discussion around her particularly with Cray. I know she's a killer strong wolf (and that's what's preventing me from ranking her higher as this point), but nothing has seemed incompatible with the logic of not playing in a full year
April - I don't feel like you're actually going after your wolfreads. For instance, you keep floating alissa but have made no moves to vote for or, otherwise, pressure her. When asked about me, you go back to saying I'm neutral/null, yet keep your joke vote on me anyway
Lawpy - for aforementioned reasons of mindmelding with me almost the entire game since it's started and otherwise playing with vigor
genny - faking fear about me when it looks like it might trend toward me being volume cleared
alissa - needing to see more spontaneous interactions outside of me specifically questioning her since she's currently sitting on a no-poster
please - hedging a ton
You have almost 24 hours. It's not dire.
This was another point I agreed with, it was in response to mkg's kind of odd statement that she couldn't give me reads at the moment because she was trying to protect herself from a misyeet. That was a post that pinged me on mkg, but I addressed that in my post about her so I'm not going to rehash it here.
Because the more neutrals, the more room for hedging. Best case scenario, you find it difficult to commit to compatible packs as a villager (thus leaving yourself more susceptible to pocketing and misyeeting). Worst case scenario, you're a wolf who's "always on the ride side of the coin" no matter who flips what.
Nah, that's the first step towards a village stomp. Hedging/low confidence only useful to wolves from all angles.
This post gave me village!AM vibes because AM loves WW strategy/theory talk.
Any villager can do this as long as they're willing to discuss and help each other improve the lists. It's very easy. Don't forget about basics. Village did epic reads + a solid village bloc and got w/w/w wagons on D1.
I almost replied to this on the thread but Lawpy beat me to it - this is true, village hit it out of the park on D1 of basics - but then we collectively fell on our face after that (AM was also out of the game after that because she got NKed N1).
I will say any continued discussion of two factions as 100% fact will get a side-eye from me in absence of evidence. Lawpy always makes tinfoils like that, but fake mechanics can help wolves pad posts instead of talking about the reality of the thread.
Here's some of that shutting down mechanics talk that was mentioned this afternoon. I don't think I can attribute this to AI though.
She went after alissa again at this point, but it struck me as reasonable points; alissa was giving very limited reads and really didn't seem to be terribly interested in helping the village.
Then zenge asked her about her read on genny and MsP. I was wolf reading genny at this point, so AM saying she was wolf reading her fit with what I was thinking, and her saying she was willing to give MsP a D1 pass based on her activity was also something I agreed with. I felt like it was village!AM.
I didn't see them as super hedgy, but I do agree that she's really done nothing massively AI at this point.
This was in response to Lawpy asking her thoughts on Trilt's comment about sunny's posts seeming hedgy. This was another thing I agreed with - I was weakly reading sunny as village at this point based on the one ISO-type post she'd made, and my village read of her was solidified with the raging that she did at Lawpy the other night because frankly, village!sunny has done that in a lot of games, and usually I'm the one fighting with her. I'm really trying not to be that aggressive and get into with her because it's not fun and no one comes out of it feeling good, so my involvement in that whole thing this time was limited to just trying to understand her logic.
Then there's some more fighting between April and AM. I was feeling at this point that April was trying to pick fights (sorry, April) over semantics.
Not sure. I still have a slight village lean on mkg, but I somewhat understand where Cyndia is coming from. No read on Cyndia herself yet though.
@Animal Midwife What's your lean on mkg today? And why? As far as I know from so far in your post history (I have another 10 pages to sift through), you most recently had a neutral lean on mkg, after dropping her from slight village when you noticed she hadn't placed a vote yet.
Starting to wonder if this sunshine forced argument is just to distract from a wolf/wolves on the board.
Very possible, but as I've mentioned, village!sunny and I have fought a lot too. I was reading sunny as village, and I'm reading Lawpy as village, so I'm not sure that their fight was anything different than the fights sunny and I have had. AM, shortly after this, someone asked you who you thought was doing the distracting and you said sunshine. Were you wolf reading her at that point, and if you were, do you remember why? She seemed like typical village!sunny to me, and you and I seemed pretty aligned on reads up to that point, so I'm curious.
She pressed pleasy a bit after this because pleasy said she was sussing Zenge and then put her vote on genny. Reasonable questions to ask.
It looks normal to me. He's always secretly wishing for an uber bastard game and it comes out in small fractions of these fantasies/tinfoils.
Agree with this, Lawpy loves to tinfoil, he was even tinfoiling while modding his emojis game.
