A Lighthouse, A Man, A City...A BioShock WW Game

[WildZoo]

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No Circus of Values tonight 😢

 

[Trilt]

Just to clarify, you're referring to Chaos, right? (Not katasamasutra)

I missed this nickname the first time I read through and just don't think it was appreciated enough.

 

[samac]

I finished my dinner and it’s nice to see I’m still here.
I gotta say I hope this write up is delayed because we won and they’re writing a wonderful final write up.

if not I’ll respond to some questions when I get back and pour myself a hot bath because I’m chilled to the damn bone still.

 

[Chaostrodon]

which reads though? Pretty sure it's been kata/samac, lis and you for his choices. lol

And they are pretty good reads

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

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Dead chat?
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[Ms Procrastinator]

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Oh and go village!
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[WildZoo]

Day 8

Of course I was tempted to get in on the plasmid and gene tonic hype, but something always held me back. There was something unnatural about rewriting your genetic code, even if the substance that made it possible seemed to occur naturally in a creature at the bottom of the ocean. Sea slugs, who would have thought. Still, I stayed away from it. I'd heard rumors that people were becoming addicted.

Despite her lack of gene upgrades, she still felt she had something to offer. Some insight to help find Fontaine's spies, or even to figure out how to get to one of those Little Sisters, get a little extra ADAM for her spliced up friends. It wasn't her thing, but she didn't judge. She knew they'd be nothing against Fontaine without some extra firepower.

She's tried her best, and yet it wasn't enough. Maybe she should have gone for it after all. Maybe only the splicers held any sway these days.

Dead is @Ms Procrastinator, who was Jenne Schellenburg, a vanilla villager

It is now Night 8. Deadline is 10am EST.

11 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
2. @Barkley13

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy

Hephaestus
overcome by lava

Olympus Heights
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. katashark ---> @samac
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager
zenge - wolf seer
Vis - village tracker
mkg - village protector
sporty - village blocker
alleycat - wolf blocker
genny - wealthy villager
Cyndia - wolf hacker
Dina - village affiliation seer
pawprints - village post restrictor
AM - village assassin
vetschoolsplz - 1x deathproof villager
MsP - vanillager

Subs:
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Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​

 

[Lawpy]

contingency yeet samacs

 

[Trilt]

And they are pretty good reads

Kind of ya to join us finally

 

[LetItSnow]

contingent lynch chaos

 

[Trilt]

So we are now at three villagers who basically just decided not to defend after lynching two wolves who couldn't defend.

I don't enjoy this theme.

 

[supershorty]

Contingency yeet samac

Looking back at kata's posts made me uncomfortable with her reads. samac's reactions tonight were over the top for how few votes were on her. The money thing is a crazy theory with nothing to back it (and based on what I started with, it's wrong), it feels like a distraction. I would have changed my vote to her but it would have made a tie with one minute left in voting.

I'm going to look into some other people tomorrow too but katamac has been in the POE for a long time and I don't feel good after tonight.

 

[Dinashadow]

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Dead chat?
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Gotta do your time like the rest of us

Spoiler

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[supershorty]

@Chaostrodon How do you feel about a wagon building on you as fast as it did tonight?

 

[samac]

****.
I was hoping it would be over so I could be free.
I’ll be on im a bit to respond to shorty’s questions.

 

[Trilt]

The money thing is a crazy theory with nothing to back it (and based on what I started with, it's wrong), it feels like a distraction. I would have changed my vote to her but it would have made a tie with one minute left in voting.

Woah there.

If you're going to lynch someone based on the money idea, that's me. I've been trying to read between the lines on some budgetary claims and am the one who asked her about whether she was a wealthy villager and started the whole shebang.

I don't think it's sketchy to try to game solve with any data we have, just like it's not necessarily sketchy to be wrong. I think stifling that sort of thought is a way worse WW sin.

 

[supershorty]

Woah there.

If you're going to lynch someone based on the money idea, that's me. I've been trying to read between the lines on some budgetary claims and am the one who asked her about whether she was a wealthy villager and started the whole shebang.

I don't think it's sketchy to try to game solve with any data we have, just like it's not necessarily sketchy to be wrong. I think stifling that sort of thought is a way worse WW sin.

Okay, that's my mistake about who started it. That said, she's been in my POE for a long time, I'm not voting her just based on that.

 

[Trilt]

If Ms P had bothered to respond earlier and we could have lined up two alleged vanillagers receiving the same amount of money, I think it would have been a viable avenue. This is the downside of people not freaking defending or answering questions.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

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Spoiler: When I get my hands on pleasy for that stunt she pulled

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[supershorty]

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Also, for the record, I think it's crappy to **** on please when her IRL situation was enough that she asked for, and received, a modkill. Life happens. It's happened a couple times and it's not cool.
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[Trilt]

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Also, for the record, I think it's crappy to **** on please when her IRL situation was enough that she asked for, and received, a modkill. Life happens. It's happened a couple times and it's not cool.
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This is fair and I'm not trying to be a dick. It is just frustrating to put a lot of effort into a game and be met with radio silence.

 

[holdthemayo]

Contingency yeet samac

Looking back at kata's posts made me uncomfortable with her reads. samac's reactions tonight were over the top for how few votes were on her. The money thing is a crazy theory with nothing to back it (and based on what I started with, it's wrong), it feels like a distraction. I would have changed my vote to her but it would have made a tie with one minute left in voting.

I'm going to look into some other people tomorrow too but katamac has been in the POE for a long time and I don't feel good after tonight.

Woah there.

If you're going to lynch someone based on the money idea, that's me. I've been trying to read between the lines on some budgetary claims and am the one who asked her about whether she was a wealthy villager and started the whole shebang.

I don't think it's sketchy to try to game solve with any data we have, just like it's not necessarily sketchy to be wrong. I think stifling that sort of thought is a way worse WW sin.

Tbh, I think it's interesting they both claimed vanillager and both had the same pattern of money. If I put any stock in the money mechanic it makes me think katamac is vanillager too.

I'm not sure why I can't have some money too, but that's a different issue.

 

[Lawpy]

This is fair and I'm not trying to be a dick. It is just frustrating to put a lot of effort into a game and be met with radio silence.

I feel pleasy and MSP put up an ok defense for me. Pawprints completely ghosted the thread. That bothers me.

 

[Trilt]

If Ms P had bothered to respond earlier and we could have lined up two alleged vanillagers receiving the same amount of money, I think it would have been a viable avenue. This is the downside of people not freaking defending or answering questions.

It is still worth noting that katamac confirmed an identical number with lupin prior to Ms P claiming it on thread. While a wolf could have been given the same amount of money, I feel actually even better about katamac after tonight, lol.

 

[Trilt]

Tbh, I think it's interesting they both claimed vanillager and both had the same pattern of money. If I put any stock in the money mechanic it makes me think katamac is vanillager too.

I'm not sure why I can't have some money too, but that's a different issue.

What he said. Including requesting some dolla bills my way lol.

 

[supershorty]

I'm a vanillager as well and started with $19. Found $5 the same night that I was gif restricted. Then found another $16 on N4.

That help clear anything up about the money mechanic?

Let's not put stock in things we don't have evidence for, yeah?

 

[holdthemayo]

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Also, for the record, I think it's crappy to **** on please when her IRL situation was enough that she asked for, and received, a modkill. Life happens. It's happened a couple times and it's not cool.
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I wouldn't say please went down without a fight at all. She defended herself the last cycle she played. Then presumably asked for modkill because she didn't want a cycle wasted on her where she wouldn't/couldn't respond like that again.

I agree with your point though. RL happens. This is a professional forum. Almost everyone here has very demanding schedules sometimes.

 

[Trilt]

I'm a vanillager as well and started with $19. Found $5 the same night that I was gif restricted. Then found another $16 on N4.

That help clear anything up about the money mechanic?

Let's not put stock in things we don't have evidence for, yeah?

We have hard evidence on very little in this game. I don't think it's wrong to try and pull conclusions from limited data - that's literally what makes me like SDN ww so much, it's a super complicated puzzle game with a bunch of personalities.

 

[supershorty]

We have hard evidence on very little in this game. I don't think it's wrong to try and pull conclusions from limited data - that's literally what makes me like SDN ww so much, it's a super complicated puzzle game with a bunch of personalities.

Yeah, but there's a difference between mechanics solving and getting distracted by a random tinfoil based on what 2 people said.

Idk. I'm frustrated and don't feel like we should be clearing anyone based on how much money they started with.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I hate my own waffling. I was hot on kata early in game. The samac swayed me with PMs. But retrospectively, it's not so much she moved herself 'villager' in her PMs as much as she moved herself neutral.

I woudn't be heartbroken with a samac lynch. It answers the question, like any of us.

I don't think I can be very objective on Chaos. Chaos frustrated me to death by insisting on misconstruing (or really, over-emphasizing one piece) what I said. Makes me grumbly and want to lynch. But that's a pretty craptastic reason to lynch someone, other than the obvious question of whether it was intentional shade-throwing.

Misconstruing and over-emphasizing are two different things , You are once again trying to minimizing what I said by positing the two as vaguely synonymous

I never misconstrued what you sad. Over- emphasized yeah , because that post deserved to be over-emphasized in my opinion. It was such a pile of hot bs that I dont think could have come from a good town player without malicious intentions

@Chaostrodon How do you feel about a wagon building on you as fast as it did tonight?

It was mostly LIS taking offence to me calling him out and the people that sheeped him , I still stand by what I said tho its obvious I wouldnt be able to convince anyone else here in a million years

Final scum is probably in LIS , cray or Lawpy ( without taking what Lupin told me about Lawpy's pmeta into account)

Samac was one of my stronger scumreads but I think what Trilt said about her had some merit to it

Lupin , shorty and Trilt imo are most probably town

 

[Trilt]

I'm a vanillager as well and started with $19. Found $5 the same night that I was gif restricted. Then found another $16 on N4.

That help clear anything up about the money mechanic?

Let's not put stock in things we don't have evidence for, yeah?

N4 or N5 for the latter money?

 

[Chaostrodon]

I will probably be lynching cray tomorrow

 

[supershorty]

N4 or N5 for the latter money?

N4

 

[supershorty]

I will probably be lynching cray tomorrow

Why Cray vs LIS?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Why Cray vs LIS?

Bc no one else is gonna even bother understanding why I have an issue with LIS .

 

[Chaostrodon]

Why Cray vs LIS?

You are voting samacs right? What did you think about Trilts reasoning as to why samac scum is unlikely?

 

[holdthemayo]

Bc no one else is gonna even bother understanding why I have an issue with LIS .

Can you give me a tl;dr on your LiS read?

I have him as neutral currently.

 

[supershorty]

You are voting samacs right? What did you think about Trilts reasoning as to why samac scum is unlikely?

It's based on the money tinfoil, which I just posted about and forced myself to role reveal in the process. So I'm not really feeling great about it.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Can you give me a tl;dr on your LiS read?

I have him as neutral currently.

Here is the final post I made about it

Here is the post in question



Here is the "twisted misintrepretation" Ive made of it , just in case anyone wanted to look through

 

[Chaostrodon]

It's based on the money tinfoil, which I just posted about and forced myself to role reveal in the process. So I'm not really feeling great about it.

I felt similiarly about her bringing up the one wolf in each group theory

But I asked about Trilt's theory , as in if samac/kata was wolf why didnt she exchange her firstaidkit with alley or Cyndia and prevented them from getting voted off

 

[samac]

@samac I'm curious, you've had Lawpy in your POE, but then in this post, you also had him as someone who had "village cred through the damn roof," so my question is either what changed on your previous read or what has changed since you made this post?

It was kind of a tongue-in-cheek response. It doesn’t matter if I think he may have been a wolf, he’s got village cred through the damn roof converting him would be a good call.

I'm really struggling because going off VCA (from final votes), MsP and katamac are almost identical in terms of number of times they voted for village vs wolf. I feel like I can make an argument for either one of them. I feel like the ISOs that I did on MsP relied on really reading into a few interactions. This evening, I've gotten more village feels from MsP and more wolf feels from samac.

I find it interesting that 5 minutes before yeet close you decided to say this, especially since I left approximately 45 minutes earlier and never bothered to change your vote. Seems like you wanted to hedge your bets on me right before yeet close

Contingency yeet samac

Looking back at kata's posts made me uncomfortable with her reads. samac's reactions tonight were over the top for how few votes were on her. The money thing is a crazy theory with nothing to back it (and based on what I started with, it's wrong), it feels like a distraction. I would have changed my vote to her but it would have made a tie with one minute left in voting.

I'm going to look into some other people tomorrow too but katamac has been in the POE for a long time and I don't feel good after tonight.

I’ve already commented on my reaction. I hate having votes on me when I’m village because it makes me feel like I’m ****ing up as village and I get a little defensive. You also called out me having a similar reaction earlier in game, but I don’t remember where it was.
Trilt has already commented on this but I don’t think my theory was all that crazy with nothing to back it. Those words seemed kind of harsh for what’s going on.
Trilt asked me if I was called a rich villager, I told her no and then realized maybe there’s something to vanilla and money so since Ms. P was claiming vanilla I wanted to know how much she had compared to what I did.

I left my information with Lupin this morning with my theory in case I didn’t make it back in time to see Ms. P’s reveal so she would know. Her numbers were near identical to mine so I don’t think it’s the most ridiculous tinfoil and I don’t think it’s without merit and making a distraction it actually left me thinking either she was telling the truth or Lupin gave her my information and she copied it too closely. Turns out they were just really that close.

No one else had money info out there and your info doesn’t really change anything other than proving it wrong. You didn’t have to role reveal and saying you feel great about it like I forced your hand seems a little silly.

 

[samac]

I felt similiarly about her bringing up the one wolf in each group theory

But I asked about Trilt's theory , as in if samac/kata was wolf why didnt she exchange her firstaidkit with alley or Cyndia and prevented them from getting voted off

Once again, Jaboo can confirm this I put out the one wolf in each group theory day 1 in tot chat (if that’s appropriate. I dunno). I said it immediately here and everyone shut me down which is fine, but at this point it’s still not been proven wrong.

 

[samac]

contingency yeet samacs

Wouldn’t expect anything less.

 

[supershorty]

I find it interesting that 5 minutes before yeet close you decided to say this, especially since I left approximately 45 minutes earlier and never bothered to change your vote. Seems like you wanted to hedge your bets on me right before yeet close

I was looking back through kata's/your posts and MsP's, and comparing them to the VCAs after I made that post. Then it was 9:59 and pulling my vote off MsP would have made a tie (of MsP and chaos), which I was unwilling to do when I had both you and MsP in my POE.

I’ve already commented on my reaction. I hate having votes on me when I’m village because it makes me feel like I’m ****ing up as village and I get a little defensive. You also called out me having a similar reaction earlier in game, but I don’t remember where it was.

I mean, okay, but you did the same thing when you were wolfing. It might be NAI, but I can't write it off when you've only wolfed once. That's why I make notes of it.

Trilt has already commented on this but I don’t think my theory was all that crazy with nothing to back it. Those words seemed kind of harsh for what’s going on.
Trilt asked me if I was called a rich villager, I told her no and then realized maybe there’s something to vanilla and money so since Ms. P was claiming vanilla I wanted to know how much she had compared to what I did.

I left my information with Lupin this morning with my theory in case I didn’t make it back in time to see Ms. P’s reveal so she would know. Her numbers were near identical to mine so I don’t think it’s the most ridiculous tinfoil and I don’t think it’s without merit and making a distraction it actually left me thinking either she was telling the truth or Lupin gave her my information and she copied it too closely. Turns out they were just really that close.

No one else had money info out there and your info doesn’t really change anything other than proving it wrong. You didn’t have to role reveal and saying you feel great about it like I forced your hand seems a little silly.

If my role revealing prevents village from wasting time pursuing a tinfoil that I know is wrong, then it was worth it.

 

[holdthemayo]

Wouldn’t expect anything less.

Why?

 

[samac]

Why?

Just because it’s every night for 3 nights running.

 

[Crayola227]

This is going to maybe come out all sorts of sketch, but it's just a reflection of me skimming the surface of the game.

In case it helps put things together, I believe I was attacked N3. There was protection in place.

Should have said something a while back.

That's cool, but the next question is why didn't you and why are you now?

 

[supershorty]

Just because it’s every night for 3 nights running.

That's not accurate. His final vote was last on you on D5 before tonight.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

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Also, for the record, I think it's crappy to **** on please when her IRL situation was enough that she asked for, and received, a modkill. Life happens. It's happened a couple times and it's not cool.
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I'm actually joking about her dying before me, when I wanted to go first.
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[supershorty]

I felt similiarly about her bringing up the one wolf in each group theory

But I asked about Trilt's theory , as in if samac/kata was wolf why didnt she exchange her firstaidkit with alley or Cyndia and prevented them from getting voted off

Trilt was actually the one to start the money thing, she corrected me upthread for thinking that samac started it. I don't really know about the first aid kit - I wouldn't think from reading the description that it would prevent a yeet, though?