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39,000+ cases today. Highest number in the US since the pandemic started. NBOME silent.
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And projections are starting to show 179,000+ deaths by fall. and yet the NBOME refuses to even comment on the situation. Such a joke of an organization.
 
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And projections are starting to show 179,000+ deaths by fall. and yet the NBOME refuses to even comment on the situation. Such a joke of an organization.
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I think the nbome is really praying hard that this vaccine that dr fauci keeps talking about really comes to fruition by the end of the year hahah.. but despite all these projections sadly no one seems to care anymore, just step out and you barely see anyone social distancing or wearing masks... it will sadly only be a ticker at the bottom of the news.. but the nbome looks like fools right now
 
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Taking the test early is definitely more a risk now than it was in January for those reasons you mentioned. You could not release the newest score, provided you have released your previous scores before at ERAS opening. However, that opens another can of worms: if you get asked about scores during interviews you definitely have to tell the truth and say you've got a new one...they may ask why you didn't disclose that sooner etc. You see what I'm saying

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Yeah if I take in September my scores would already be released with no PE on the transcript but definitely would never lie about it in an interview. I do wonder if any programs are gonna be stingy and not rank people without a PE when half of us will have one by rank lists... Nobody would have this dilemma if the NBOME weren't complete idiots.
 
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I think the nbome is really praying hard that this vaccine that dr fauci keeps talking about really comes to fruition by the end of the year hahah.. but despite all these projections sadly no one seems to care anymore, just step out and you barely see anyone social distancing or wearing masks... it will sadly only be a ticker at the bottom of the news.. but the nbome looks like fools right now
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Why should the general public care if even medical boards/organizations don’t care?
 
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I am scheduled in September as well and this is my fear. Almost makes me want to push it back until after rank lists. I do have a question though lets assume the worst and say I fail in September. Programs would already have my comlex transcript prior to that fail showing up. Isn't it true I could just not re release my new comlex transcript to programs and they would hav no idea I even took the exam? I know that sounds a bit shady but it seems like taking it earlier is a huge risk with minimal reward at this point...
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Yeah if I take in September my scores would already be released with no PE on the transcript but definitely would never lie about it in an interview. I do wonder if any programs are gonna be stingy and not rank people without a PE when half of us will have one by rank lists... Nobody would have this dilemma if the NBOME weren't complete idiots.
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That's basically exactly my plan. Of course the odds are in our favor to pass, but god forbid we don't and they haven't done something to blind the scores by then, that's the route I'm taking.
 
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That's basically exactly my plan. Of course the odds are in our favor to pass, but god forbid we don't and they haven't done something to blind the scores by then, that's the route I'm taking.
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I can’t believe such a stupid test (CS/PE)...yet now it is the most important test in medical students lives...one chance to pass or fail...‍♀️ Medical education is at its finest.
 
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Along the same lines. Would it make sense to apply when ERAS opens ONLY with USMLE scores (if you have then) and hold COMLEX for later.

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Along the same lines. Would it make sense to apply when ERAS opens ONLY with USMLE scores (if you have then) and hold COMLEX for later.

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I think that would be a bad strategy programs may not care about comlex but they care enough to make sure you passed. They know you need it to graduate. I feel like being the only DO applicant with no comlex transcript would look like you were hiding something....
 
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I think that would be a bad strategy programs may not care about comlex but they care enough to make sure you passed. They know you need it to graduate. I feel like being the only DO applicant with no comlex transcript would look like you were hiding something....
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Had that exact same concern earlier. However if we submit with comlex scores then they might not even see our app to begin with due to the fail filter. Seems like a catch-22 and unfortunately I havent been able to find a reliable response
 
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Had that exact same concern earlier. However if we submit with comlex scores then they might not even see our app to begin with due to the fail filter. Seems like a catch-22 and unfortunately I havent been able to find a reliable response
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Ah yeah I don't know. With a PE fail you are right your app might not even make through any filters, problem is you don't know what programs have a filter and what ones don't. I am so sorry for your situation. If it were me I think I would try to get out in front of it instead of hide it. Target non-competitive programs and do as many auditions at those programs as possible, even multiple at the same institution (maybe in different fields). Let them see you are way better than some arbitrary f-ed up grading scale and allow them to get to know you. Attend their didactics if they will let you. Make it clear that you have had no opportunity for a retake to show you can pass. Honestly I think that is your best bet. Unless they blind it there is no way a program is not gonna find out and if they feel you tried to hide it your especially not going to get ranked.
 
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Those who look at the app can see the failed without an alert ‍♀
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yes, of course. the question was, can PDs auto-screen out candidates who have failed the CS. AFAI, it seems like the auto screen can only be applied to scored exams (Step 1/2CK). perhaps those with more experience in residency admissions can chime in. @NotAProgDirector @gamerEMdoc
 
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I'd like to know this as well
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yes, of course. the question was, can PDs auto-screen out candidates who have failed the CS. AFAI, it seems like the auto screen can only be applied to scored exams (Step 1/2CK). perhaps those with more experience in residency admissions can chime in. @NotAProgDirector @gamerEMdoc
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New COMLEX PE update from the NBOME

COMLEX USA Level 2-PE — NBOME

www.nbome.org www.nbome.org


As osteopathic medical schools begin to resume educational activities, including clinical rotations, the Clinical Skills Testing Department at the NBOME is also preparing for the resumption of the COMLEX-USA Level 2-PE, currently slated for September 1.

With a keen sensitivity to the pressures and challenges of testing during these uncertain times, we are taking every precaution to ensure a safe and comfortable testing experience for candidates, as well as for our staff and standardized patients.

We have taken a methodical approach to analyzing the exam administration process, looking critically at each onsite step of the exam experience, from the moment a candidate enters the building until they depart. Our commitment to the health and wellness of our candidates guides us as we identify opportunities for improvement, and as we adjust our processes and procedures to address any safety gaps that may exist – all while maintaining the validity and reliability of the clinical skills exam.

We will be sharing our comprehensive safety measures more fully in the next few weeks, as well as guidelines for candidates regarding the exam encounters with standardized patients. In the meantime the following items serve as a starting point:

  • Candidate and Staff health screening. Exam staff will assess candidates during the check-in process and conduct thermal screenings of all candidates.
  • Social distancing. These protocols will be rigorously enforced throughout the NCCST. However, patient encounters will still require direct contact / interaction.
  • Staggered exam start times. On days with more than 1 exam scheduled we will stagger times to start about an hour apart. Start times will be communicated via email received in the weeks leading up to their exam.
  • Larger capacity rooms. Large rooms have been reserved for registration and breaks to further support social distancing protocols.
  • Hand sanitizer. This will be available in all common areas throughout the NCCST, in all examination rooms, and at all SOAP note terminals.
  • Clear face masks issued to all candidates and standardized patients. These masks provide protection from spreading respiratory droplets while allowing viewing of the full face. Please note, these are not face shields, but actual face masks that fully cover the nose and mouth of the wearer.
  • Enhanced cleaning procedures. Hospital-grade disinfectant will be used to periodically wipe down high-touch surfaces both in exam rooms and at SOAP note terminals, plus daily deep-cleaning before each testing session.
Risk Management. Scenario Planning. Pilot Testing. Independent Review.
Incredible thanks go out to the students, residents and attending physicians who joined us on Saturday June 13 as part of our first Level 2-PE pilot exam with COVID-19 protocols in place. The intent of the pilot was to pressure-test the various physical distancing and safety modifications put in place and to gain further insight on what else needs to be done to prepare for a safe and successful exam re-start.

We were also joined on-site by a local board-certified infectious disease specialist with training in hospital epidemiology and investigating outbreaks. She monitored the pilot exam from candidate and staff wellness screening, to physical distancing implementation, to enhanced cleaning protocols. She provided valuable feedback on our processes and expressed confidence in the steps we have taken to make the exam a safe experience. The pilot provided us clearer insight on the integrity of our enhanced health and safety policies and procedures and reassured us that we are on the right track as we prepare to relaunch the exam.

As a follow-up to the pilot, NBOME will be hosting a team of public health officials from Johns Hopkins University on July 11. This group will provide further review of the exam and our approach to enhanced safety.

While the input and recommendations received from subject matter experts in the public health sector will directly guide our path forward, we also feel it is important to engage the student community to ensure they feel safe in this environment. As such, we have invited a fourth-year DO student leader who has already completed the clinical skills exam to visit our NCCST, review the safety enhancements we are putting in place, and provide their thoughts as it relates to the comfort level of incoming candidates.

Once this 360-degree analysis is complete, we will incorporate our learnings into a safety report and video that will be available on our website in mid-July.

Our re-start plan will continue to evolve as we monitor the rapidly growing medical knowledge surrounding the virus and the implications of public health and safety guidelines in the Chicago and Philadelphia regions where our NCCSTs are located, as well as other key regions. While we are optimistic about our plans to safely resume testing on September 1, and are looking forward to again engaging with candidates, please be assured that we do not plan to resume testing until we have made the testing environment as safe as possible, given the unique circumstances. We also encourage students to continually evaluate their own personal circumstances regarding location and personal situations. We currently have exam openings through June 2021 for those who would feel more comfortable coming at a later time.

We remain dedicated to the importance of assessing the fundamental clinical skills of DO candidates and support the safe return of clinical learning opportunities as we all move forward during these uncertain times, together.
 
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I feel like Reddit could be another way to get the word out about the NBOME. People need to know about this
 
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They’re going to lose the exam for good because they were too stubborn to cancel it for only one year. pretty funny
 
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CanISleepYet? said:
New COMLEX PE update from the NBOME

COMLEX USA Level 2-PE — NBOME

www.nbome.org www.nbome.org


As osteopathic medical schools begin to resume educational activities, including clinical rotations, the Clinical Skills Testing Department at the NBOME is also preparing for the resumption of the COMLEX-USA Level 2-PE, currently slated for September 1.

With a keen sensitivity to the pressures and challenges of testing during these uncertain times, we are taking every precaution to ensure a safe and comfortable testing experience for candidates, as well as for our staff and standardized patients.

We have taken a methodical approach to analyzing the exam administration process, looking critically at each onsite step of the exam experience, from the moment a candidate enters the building until they depart. Our commitment to the health and wellness of our candidates guides us as we identify opportunities for improvement, and as we adjust our processes and procedures to address any safety gaps that may exist – all while maintaining the validity and reliability of the clinical skills exam.

We will be sharing our comprehensive safety measures more fully in the next few weeks, as well as guidelines for candidates regarding the exam encounters with standardized patients. In the meantime the following items serve as a starting point:

  • Candidate and Staff health screening. Exam staff will assess candidates during the check-in process and conduct thermal screenings of all candidates.
  • Social distancing. These protocols will be rigorously enforced throughout the NCCST. However, patient encounters will still require direct contact / interaction.
  • Staggered exam start times. On days with more than 1 exam scheduled we will stagger times to start about an hour apart. Start times will be communicated via email received in the weeks leading up to their exam.
  • Larger capacity rooms. Large rooms have been reserved for registration and breaks to further support social distancing protocols.
  • Hand sanitizer. This will be available in all common areas throughout the NCCST, in all examination rooms, and at all SOAP note terminals.
  • Clear face masks issued to all candidates and standardized patients. These masks provide protection from spreading respiratory droplets while allowing viewing of the full face. Please note, these are not face shields, but actual face masks that fully cover the nose and mouth of the wearer.
  • Enhanced cleaning procedures. Hospital-grade disinfectant will be used to periodically wipe down high-touch surfaces both in exam rooms and at SOAP note terminals, plus daily deep-cleaning before each testing session.
Risk Management. Scenario Planning. Pilot Testing. Independent Review.
Incredible thanks go out to the students, residents and attending physicians who joined us on Saturday June 13 as part of our first Level 2-PE pilot exam with COVID-19 protocols in place. The intent of the pilot was to pressure-test the various physical distancing and safety modifications put in place and to gain further insight on what else needs to be done to prepare for a safe and successful exam re-start.

We were also joined on-site by a local board-certified infectious disease specialist with training in hospital epidemiology and investigating outbreaks. She monitored the pilot exam from candidate and staff wellness screening, to physical distancing implementation, to enhanced cleaning protocols. She provided valuable feedback on our processes and expressed confidence in the steps we have taken to make the exam a safe experience. The pilot provided us clearer insight on the integrity of our enhanced health and safety policies and procedures and reassured us that we are on the right track as we prepare to relaunch the exam.

As a follow-up to the pilot, NBOME will be hosting a team of public health officials from Johns Hopkins University on July 11. This group will provide further review of the exam and our approach to enhanced safety.

While the input and recommendations received from subject matter experts in the public health sector will directly guide our path forward, we also feel it is important to engage the student community to ensure they feel safe in this environment. As such, we have invited a fourth-year DO student leader who has already completed the clinical skills exam to visit our NCCST, review the safety enhancements we are putting in place, and provide their thoughts as it relates to the comfort level of incoming candidates.

Once this 360-degree analysis is complete, we will incorporate our learnings into a safety report and video that will be available on our website in mid-July.

Our re-start plan will continue to evolve as we monitor the rapidly growing medical knowledge surrounding the virus and the implications of public health and safety guidelines in the Chicago and Philadelphia regions where our NCCSTs are located, as well as other key regions. While we are optimistic about our plans to safely resume testing on September 1, and are looking forward to again engaging with candidates, please be assured that we do not plan to resume testing until we have made the testing environment as safe as possible, given the unique circumstances. We also encourage students to continually evaluate their own personal circumstances regarding location and personal situations. We currently have exam openings through June 2021 for those who would feel more comfortable coming at a later time.

We remain dedicated to the importance of assessing the fundamental clinical skills of DO candidates and support the safe return of clinical learning opportunities as we all move forward during these uncertain times, together.
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Condescending AND unsound reasoning! Nice combo by the ****ups at the NBOME. I can't do aways or go on real interviews but I can go fly to a hotspot and rub backs in the name of OMM? Just **** right off, NBOME. Wow.

And to any of the pathetic residents and students who willingly participated in this charade to prove a point to fit their agenda, no words can describe how disappointed I am in you.

Did they hire a failed ID specialist who doesn't know that one has to travel to the testing center???
 
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qwertythrowaway said:
yes, of course. the question was, can PDs auto-screen out candidates who have failed the CS. AFAI, it seems like the auto screen can only be applied to scored exams (Step 1/2CK). perhaps those with more experience in residency admissions can chime in. @NotAProgDirector @gamerEMdoc
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Lol even if they are not filtered out immediately, the moment Pd look at the fail, it would still end up in trash pile lol...not being filtered out does not mean anything...
 
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Lol even if they are not filtered out immediately, the moment Pd look at the fail, it would still end up in trash pile lol...not being filtered out does not mean anything...
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People match with fails on the PE/CS every year. This year we are giving every other applicant (IMG, FMG, US MD) the benefit of the doubt that they would pass this test. Statistically ~90% of re-takers pass on their second attempt. It is incredibly rare for someone to fail twice. Should we not give the same benefit of the doubt to this group?

There's a handful of people on this thread/site who failed CS/PE and are here looking for reassurance in a stressful time. I'm one of them. I get the doom and gloom attitude, but unless you are a PD, you have no idea how they will interpret these scores during THIS cycle.
 
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They are going to double down themselves right into non-existence lol
 
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People match with fails on the PE/CS every year. This year we are giving every other applicant (IMG, FMG, US MD) the benefit of the doubt that they would pass this test. Statistically ~90% of re-takers pass on their second attempt. It is incredibly rare for someone to fail twice. Should we not give the same benefit of the doubt to this group?

There's a handful of people on this thread/site who failed CS/PE and are here looking for reassurance in a stressful time. I'm one of them. I get the doom and gloom attitude, but unless you are a PD, you have no idea how they will interpret these scores during THIS cycle.
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I am not saying you won’t match or they won’t look at app differently with failed CS this cycle due to cancellation. But if the program already set to filter out failed CS, you think just because ERaS changes alert, they won’t filter out your app when they look at your app? The only way to really prevent the bias is to NOt report the score.
 
Honestly besides the outright safety concerns, I’m concerned about test quality/failure due to the new procedures. I have a big head, it took me a long time to find a mask that fits. But on the exam day of a major licensing exam I’m just gonna be handed a one size fits all mask? I also can’t really understand people wearing a mask fully, and they can’t understand me when wearing a mask. It muffled your words. Even between my husband and I when we’re out with masks on, sometimes it takes 3 tries to understand each other. Are we going to get 40 mins per encounter now instead of 14 to accommodate saying “what?” 1468 times? How am I going to accurately understand the patient for humanism, diagnostic, and written record purposes? This might all sound silly but I’m truly concerned of a higher failure chance due to the “safety protocols”.
 
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New COMLEX PE update from the NBOME

COMLEX USA Level 2-PE — NBOME

www.nbome.org www.nbome.org

We have taken a methodical approach to analyzing the exam administration process, looking critically at each onsite step of the exam experience, from the moment a candidate enters the building until they depart.
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What about travel to and from?

This is ridiculous. I do not feel safe. I do not feel heard.

I'm doing my best to focus and continue learning during the pandemic.

NBOME is sucking all my energy and mental health.

How am I supposed to focus on becoming a doctor when an unnecessary licensing exam has been canceled twice for me? When I am currently at risk of not meeting graduation requirements due to something that is entirely out of my control? When they are telling me "I have a choice," but in actuality, I have mountains of debt and have committed years of my life to getting here with risk of it being permanently derailed due to their insistence on holding this exam with no proven benefit to patients.

Last time they said they were hopeful that things were getting better in terms of Covid transmission dynamics. But they have only gotten worse. Cases are growing. So now they change their story.
 
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4th year has been extremely difficult having an immunocompromised child. the nbome never dissapoints.
 
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Unless there is a way to somehow teleport in a ****ing hazmat suit this still puts every single candidate traveling at great risk. I hope this doesnt happen to anyone here but in the case that someone is affected by COVID they will have the full right to pursue legal action to the fullest extent of the law. Also although not that many people fail, every year roughly 1100 MDs and 600 DOs but this time without a chance to retake. 1700 people is alot and not to mention the 75% of DOs that havent taken it are in favor of blinding the scores. We need to consider starting a petition both here and on reddit to blind the scores. Our best bet is that the NBME approves blinding the scores and then the NBOME can hopefully follow suit. WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION PERIOD.
 
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Our best bet is that the NBME approves blinding the scores and then the NBOME can hopefully follow suit.
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Well..... I mean we all thought that was the best bet for having PE suspended too, and we all know how that is turning out lol
 
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Unless there is a way to somehow teleport in a ****ing hazmat suit this still puts every single candidate traveling at great risk. I hope this doesnt happen to anyone here but in the case that someone is affected by COVID they will have the full right to pursue legal action to the fullest extent of the law. Also although not that many people fail, every year roughly 1100 MDs and 600 DOs but this time without a chance to retake. 1700 people is alot and not to mention the 75% of DOs that havent taken it are in favor of blinding the scores. We need to consider starting a petition both here and on reddit to blind the scores. Our best bet is that the NBME approves blinding the scores and then the NBOME can hopefully follow suit. WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION PERIOD.
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Won't have to worry about that as a family practitioner.
 
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Unless there is a way to somehow teleport in a ****ing hazmat suit this still puts every single candidate traveling at great risk. I hope this doesnt happen to anyone here but in the case that someone is affected by COVID they will have the full right to pursue legal action to the fullest extent of the law. Also although not that many people fail, every year roughly 1100 MDs and 600 DOs but this time without a chance to retake. 1700 people is alot and not to mention the 75% of DOs that havent taken it are in favor of blinding the scores. We need to consider starting a petition both here and on reddit to blind the scores. Our best bet is that the NBME approves blinding the scores and then the NBOME can hopefully follow suit. WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION PERIOD.
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I second this motion
 
Anybody know any lawyers that would be willing to take on the NBOME for endangering lives? That’s about the only way we win this at this point. And correct me if I am wrong but a case could be made for involuntary manslaughter if god forbid any student dies as a result of the NBOMEs actions. The will wish they had cancelled when they are filing bankruptcy to fund the payouts from lawsuits stemming from their greed.
 
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Anybody know any lawyers that would be willing to take on the NBOME for endangering lives? That’s about the only way we win this at this point. And correct me if I am wrong but a case could be made for involuntary manslaughter if god forbid any student dies as a result of the NBOMEs actions. The will wish they had cancelled when they are filing bankruptcy to fund the payouts from lawsuits stemming from their greed.
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I dont know anything about law but could this whole thing be considered Reckless Endangerment?
 
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Even without covid I think it’s idiotic that there are only 2 locations for DO students and 1 for Podiatry students nationwide. Why no testing center on the west coast? It’s so inconvenient and stupid.
 
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CanISleepYet? said:
New COMLEX PE update from the NBOME

COMLEX USA Level 2-PE — NBOME

www.nbome.org www.nbome.org


As osteopathic medical schools begin to resume educational activities, including clinical rotations, the Clinical Skills Testing Department at the NBOME is also preparing for the resumption of the COMLEX-USA Level 2-PE, currently slated for September 1.

With a keen sensitivity to the pressures and challenges of testing during these uncertain times, we are taking every precaution to ensure a safe and comfortable testing experience for candidates, as well as for our staff and standardized patients.

We have taken a methodical approach to analyzing the exam administration process, looking critically at each onsite step of the exam experience, from the moment a candidate enters the building until they depart. Our commitment to the health and wellness of our candidates guides us as we identify opportunities for improvement, and as we adjust our processes and procedures to address any safety gaps that may exist – all while maintaining the validity and reliability of the clinical skills exam.

We will be sharing our comprehensive safety measures more fully in the next few weeks, as well as guidelines for candidates regarding the exam encounters with standardized patients. In the meantime the following items serve as a starting point:

  • Candidate and Staff health screening. Exam staff will assess candidates during the check-in process and conduct thermal screenings of all candidates.
  • Social distancing. These protocols will be rigorously enforced throughout the NCCST. However, patient encounters will still require direct contact / interaction.
  • Staggered exam start times. On days with more than 1 exam scheduled we will stagger times to start about an hour apart. Start times will be communicated via email received in the weeks leading up to their exam.
  • Larger capacity rooms. Large rooms have been reserved for registration and breaks to further support social distancing protocols.
  • Hand sanitizer. This will be available in all common areas throughout the NCCST, in all examination rooms, and at all SOAP note terminals.
  • Clear face masks issued to all candidates and standardized patients. These masks provide protection from spreading respiratory droplets while allowing viewing of the full face. Please note, these are not face shields, but actual face masks that fully cover the nose and mouth of the wearer.
  • Enhanced cleaning procedures. Hospital-grade disinfectant will be used to periodically wipe down high-touch surfaces both in exam rooms and at SOAP note terminals, plus daily deep-cleaning before each testing session.
Risk Management. Scenario Planning. Pilot Testing. Independent Review.
Incredible thanks go out to the students, residents and attending physicians who joined us on Saturday June 13 as part of our first Level 2-PE pilot exam with COVID-19 protocols in place. The intent of the pilot was to pressure-test the various physical distancing and safety modifications put in place and to gain further insight on what else needs to be done to prepare for a safe and successful exam re-start.

We were also joined on-site by a local board-certified infectious disease specialist with training in hospital epidemiology and investigating outbreaks. She monitored the pilot exam from candidate and staff wellness screening, to physical distancing implementation, to enhanced cleaning protocols. She provided valuable feedback on our processes and expressed confidence in the steps we have taken to make the exam a safe experience. The pilot provided us clearer insight on the integrity of our enhanced health and safety policies and procedures and reassured us that we are on the right track as we prepare to relaunch the exam.

As a follow-up to the pilot, NBOME will be hosting a team of public health officials from Johns Hopkins University on July 11. This group will provide further review of the exam and our approach to enhanced safety.

While the input and recommendations received from subject matter experts in the public health sector will directly guide our path forward, we also feel it is important to engage the student community to ensure they feel safe in this environment. As such, we have invited a fourth-year DO student leader who has already completed the clinical skills exam to visit our NCCST, review the safety enhancements we are putting in place, and provide their thoughts as it relates to the comfort level of incoming candidates.

Once this 360-degree analysis is complete, we will incorporate our learnings into a safety report and video that will be available on our website in mid-July.

Our re-start plan will continue to evolve as we monitor the rapidly growing medical knowledge surrounding the virus and the implications of public health and safety guidelines in the Chicago and Philadelphia regions where our NCCSTs are located, as well as other key regions. While we are optimistic about our plans to safely resume testing on September 1, and are looking forward to again engaging with candidates, please be assured that we do not plan to resume testing until we have made the testing environment as safe as possible, given the unique circumstances. We also encourage students to continually evaluate their own personal circumstances regarding location and personal situations. We currently have exam openings through June 2021 for those who would feel more comfortable coming at a later time.

We remain dedicated to the importance of assessing the fundamental clinical skills of DO candidates and support the safe return of clinical learning opportunities as we all move forward during these uncertain times, together.
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Literally completely ignoring the risk of travel and lodging, I cannot fathom what kind of biased BS theyre gonna release about the safety of their exam internally. They're just gonna ignore student concerns again and release the portions of the review they want to. Any epidemiologist, ID doc, or public health official worth a damn should be assessing the external portions that are associated with attending this exam as well.

We will literally be going from working in our communities/hospitals, to pandemic hot spots (where we will interact with dozens of people both at the exam and while transporting/lodging to and from the exam), and then going right back to our communities/hospitals. This is how you kill people.

They are posing themselves to defy our concerns that we have voiced in mass, via surveys, social media, and advocates in positions of power and they still continue to wear their earmuffs and pretend like there will not be blood on their hands if they do this.
 
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Osworld said:
4th year has been extremely difficult having an immunocompromised child. the nbome never dissapoints.
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Its not just the students themselves in danger but students, their families, and communities.
 
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Literally completely ignoring the risk of travel and lodging, I cannot fathom what kind of biased BS theyre gonna release about the safety of their exam internally. They're just gonna ignore student concerns again and release the portions of the review they want to. Any epidemiologist, ID doc, or public health official worth a damn should be assessing the external portions that are associated with this attending this exam as well. If any public health official, epidemiologist, or ID doc says mass travel to pandemic hotspots involving interactions with dozens of people at the nbome, airport, hotel, uber/taxi, and in the city is okay I will personally be asking for their resignation.

We will literally be going from working in our communities/hospitals, to pandemic hot spots (where we will interact with dozens of people both at the exam and while transporting/lodging to and from the exam), and then going right back to our communities/hospitals. This is how you kill people.

They are posing themselves to defy our concerns that we have voiced in mass, via surveys, social media, and advocates in positions of power and they still continue to wear their earmuffs and pretend like there will not be blood on their hands if they do this.
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At this point I don’t think it’s that they just don’t care about students, I think they hate students.
 
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Scrubs101 said:
Literally completely ignoring the risk of travel and lodging, I cannot fathom what kind of biased BS theyre gonna release about the safety of their exam internally. They're just gonna ignore student concerns again and release the portions of the review they want to. Any epidemiologist, ID doc, or public health official worth a damn should be assessing the external portions that are associated with this attending this exam as well. If any public health official, epidemiologist, or ID doc says mass travel to pandemic hotspots involving interactions with dozens of people at the nbome, airport, hotel, uber/taxi, and in the city is okay I will personally be asking for their resignation.

We will literally be going from working in our communities/hospitals, to pandemic hot spots (where we will interact with dozens of people both at the exam and while transporting/lodging to and from the exam), and then going right back to our communities/hospitals. This is how you kill people.

They are posing themselves to defy our concerns that we have voiced in mass, via surveys, social media, and advocates in positions of power and they still continue to wear their earmuffs and pretend like there will not be blood on their hands if they do this.
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They absolutely will dismiss any negative/inconvenient findings. I can bet that the analysis is from their doors in and it stops there {they even say this much in the announcement). It will conveniently not include the risk that traveling from all over the country imposes on students.

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I like how they said we are selecting a single 4th year student to come observe our new testing procedures... like that fourth year won't be your hand picked little suck up. Their language is so condescending and they refuse to address any of our concerns. Even when one of us dies or infects our at risk patients they will claim it wasn't from them because they did "temperature checks" lol that is about as reliable testing for COVID as the PE is for clinical skills.
 
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12jas said:
I like how they said we are selecting a single 4th year student to come observe our new testing procedures... like that fourth year won't be your hand picked little suck up. Their language is so condescending and they refuse to address any of our concerns. Even when one of us dies or infects our at risk patients they will claim it wasn't from them because they did "temperature checks" lol that is about as reliable testing for COVID as the PE is for clinical skills.
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They would probably make you sign a form preventing lawsuit as well.
 
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Osworld said:
And why as ~ podiatry students ~ are we joined to the hip of the NBOME and essentially held hostage here? If the NBOME wants to be reckless with their students let them be reckless. But I guarantee the NBPME will do whatever the NBOME says because they don’t want to ruin this money-making relationship. Also, we are scheduled to start testing AUG 18. So we are essentially the guinea pigs for the nbome. I’m proud of our organizations like APMSA for stepping up and saying it needs to be canceled but the NBPME just regurgitates whatever the NBOME says. Sad situation.
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The NBPME is equally greedy as the NBOME. They are also doing less since were testing in AUG, they have even less regard for our concerns. They didn’t even delay it a little bit. They literally have done nothing.
 
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I have quickly read over the FSMB licensure requirements and could not found the so-called 7 states that require the COMLEX sequence (including PE) for DOs. out of the seven i was able to find MI, FL and PA. So...can anyone help with the rest? what are all the states that require DOs complete COMLEX series and exclusively the COMLEX series?
 
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yes, of course. the question was, can PDs auto-screen out candidates who have failed the CS. AFAI, it seems like the auto screen can only be applied to scored exams (Step 1/2CK). perhaps those with more experience in residency admissions can chime in. @NotAProgDirector @gamerEMdoc
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I believe the no board failures filter will include a failed CS/PE exam.
 
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