Addressing PE

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But they don't have good grounds. It's not actually a medical licensing exam, the only reason it's required is because they made it a requirement for taking Step 3. This requirement currently doesn't exist. If they are already letting people take Step 3 and get licensed without it they are admitting it's useless and doesn't do anything to improve patient safety lol. It will be very difficult to convince anyone that interns seeing actual patients would be benefitted in any way to take time away from those patients to go see the fake patients in the testing centers. The money and time it will cost programs to have each of their interns take this test (they will have to pay for 2 days worth of travel and lodging on top of the exam fee, let alone the sunk cost of them being out of the hospital) will raise some eyebrows.

The class of 2021 will not be taking CS. The earliest CS would resume is when class of 2021 starts residency. This would also cause serious scheduling issues with class of 2022 and beyond. The logistics of making anyone in 2021 take CS are literally a nightmare.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
But they don't have good grounds. It's not actually a medical licensing exam, the only reason it's required is because they made it a requirement for taking Step 3. This requirement currently doesn't exist. If they are already letting people take Step 3 and get licensed without it they are admitting it's useless and doesn't do anything to improve patient safety lol. It will be very difficult to convince anyone that interns seeing actual patients would be benefitted in any way to take time away from those patients to go see the fake patients in the testing centers. The money and time it will cost programs to have each of their interns take this test (they will have to pay for 2 days worth of travel and lodging on top of the exam fee, let alone the sunk cost of them being out of the hospital) will raise some eyebrows.

The class of 2021 will not be taking CS. The earliest CS would resume is when class of 2021 starts residency. This would also cause serious scheduling issues with class of 2022 and beyond. The logistics of making anyone in 2021 take CS are literally a nightmare.
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I am not sure why you keep saying class of 2021 will not be taking CS...current announcement is they will depending on when CS resumes. In nowhere NBME said class of 2021 will not be taking CS. Plus if you pay attention to the trend: NBME monopoly the rule and they don't care about anyone money but theirs.
 
Mochi2020 said:
I am not sure why you keep saying class of 2021 will not be taking CS...current announcement is they will depending on when CS resumes. In nowhere NBME said class of 2021 will not be taking CS. Plus if you pay attention to the trend: NBME monopoly the rule and they don't care about anyone money but theirs.
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Can you post where the news is? I'm having a hard time pinpointing what you're saying.
 

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hawthorn9797 said:
But we should totally start testing again in November.... View attachment 318939
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my predictions for the 10/1 announcement:
- they will be profoundly apologetic and apologize for not making a definitive announcement sooner.
- there will be no fresno site in 2021, but are planning for a 2022/2023 opening
- testing will not resume on 11/1; they will postpone again for anticipated restart in march 2022, but will release the class of 2021 of the requirement and will refund all registration fees to '21 test-takers. the requirement will stay for the class of 2022 and beyond.
- they will not be reporting PE scores on ERAS this cycle
 
qwertythrowaway said:
my predictions for the 10/1 announcement:
- they will be profoundly apologetic and apologize for not making a definitive announcement sooner.
- there will be no fresno site in 2021, but are planning for a 2022/2023 opening
- testing will not resume on 11/1; they will postpone again for anticipated restart in march 2022, but will release the class of 2021 of the requirement and will refund all registration fees to '21 test-takers. the requirement will stay for the class of 2022 and beyond.
- they will not be reporting PE scores on ERAS this cycle
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Dude/dudette, if you are correct I’m buying you a beer in some way
 
qwertythrowaway said:
my predictions for the 10/1 announcement:
- they will be profoundly apologetic and apologize for not making a definitive announcement sooner.
- there will be no fresno site in 2021, but are planning for a 2022/2023 opening
- testing will not resume on 11/1; they will postpone again for anticipated restart in march 2022, but will release the class of 2021 of the requirement and will refund all registration fees to '21 test-takers. the requirement will stay for the class of 2022 and beyond.
- they will not be reporting PE scores on ERAS this cycle
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Working on your Christmas wish list early, I see?
 
bigindian4891 said:
Working on your Christmas wish list early, I see?
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because they are out of time. covid death rates have dropped marginally since the last announcement (~900 daily deaths in late july to ~650-700 in september), with a recent uptick that is likely to persist through the winter months. covid is not going away and they will not be restarting on 11/1 for the same reasons they have postponed 5x over the past 7 months.

essentially nothing has changed between now and july except: we know a vaccine isn't coming this fall. we know rates are spiking again in 20+ states. covid hasn't gone away, and if anything, will likely get even worse. if JHU had signed off on their safety methods, we would know by now. we would have seen their safety videos, we would have heard about this contingency plan. we haven't heard anything. the reality is they can't safely restart on 11/1, and they also can't postpone again. they didn't have the wiggle room before, they certainly don't have it now.
 
I have two thoughts:
1. Protest related uptick in cases
2. Influenza + covid superinfection.

Maybe Gimpel can dust some cobwebs off his actual professional education before becoming an admin and remember what a superinfection is.
 
km93 said:

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Last month, the USMLE program announced temporary USMLE Step 3 eligibility requirements during the suspension of the USMLE Step 2 Clinical Skills (CS) exa
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Once registered for step 3, I don’t see how they can go back and change our eligibility requirements. Without substantial advance notice.
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This. If you pay + register for step 3 and choose your 3 month examination window right after graduation (May/June 2021) and before CS restarts, there is nothing any org can do to stop you from getting your license, short of failing Step 3.
 
qwertythrowaway said:
they will not be reporting PE scores on ERAS this cycle
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I'm fearful about this part.

I'm thankful a large portion of the people that passed CS are OK with blinding scores to help the general student body.

But if I was a person that took CS, I would want my money back too.

I could see our governing body not want to change this part so they could keep testing fees of those who already took the test.
 
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COMLEX Level 1 P/F & PE Continued Issues

This survey should take less than 5 minutes to complete. It is being utilized to help COSGP advocate for students regarding Level 1 going pass/fail and for continued issues regarding the Level 2-PE Exam. All responses are anonymous and will not be used for research purposes.
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everybody should answer this survey.

peep the question asking students the degree to which they are considering using the alternate pathway (via USMLE) to licensure. it took COSGP a while to catch on, but now everyone is aware of this pathway. there is way more at stake than 1 year of PE testing fees.
 
qwertythrowaway said:
forms.gle

COMLEX Level 1 P/F & PE Continued Issues

This survey should take less than 5 minutes to complete. It is being utilized to help COSGP advocate for students regarding Level 1 going pass/fail and for continued issues regarding the Level 2-PE Exam. All responses are anonymous and will not be used for research purposes.
forms.gle forms.gle


everybody should answer this survey.

peep the question asking students the degree to which they are considering using the alternate pathway (via USMLE) to licensure. it took COSGP a while to catch on, but now everyone is aware of this pathway. there is way more at stake than 1 year of PE testing fees.
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I like the final question. I hope the NBOME and AOA get a resounding "We don't care about you because you didn't care about us."
 
qwertythrowaway said:
forms.gle

COMLEX Level 1 P/F & PE Continued Issues

This survey should take less than 5 minutes to complete. It is being utilized to help COSGP advocate for students regarding Level 1 going pass/fail and for continued issues regarding the Level 2-PE Exam. All responses are anonymous and will not be used for research purposes.
forms.gle forms.gle


everybody should answer this survey.

peep the question asking students the degree to which they are considering using the alternate pathway (via USMLE) to licensure. it took COSGP a while to catch on, but now everyone is aware of this pathway. there is way more at stake than 1 year of PE testing fees.
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That question is about board certification. They send out a survey to graduating seniors every year asking the same thing. It's not referring to the loophole for taking step 3 instead of level 3.
 
diesel2202 said:
That question is about board certification. They send out a survey to graduating seniors every year asking the same thing. It's not referring to the loophole for taking step 3 instead of level 3.
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I realize that, but if the AOA loses more money on board certs they might be more willing to put pressure on the NBOME.
 
DrRedstone said:
I realize that, but if the AOA loses more money on board certs they might be more willing to put pressure on the NBOME.
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They have been hemorrhaging on board certification already. That's why they have made changes, such as offering an option that doesn't test OMT. Letting them know earlier isn't going to hurt and perhaps may fuel a fire.
 
CanISleepYet? said:


Posted yesterday. Looks like they're deadset on having this thing...
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Got to love how the people standing in line are shoulder to shoulder to get temperature checked. LOL the NBOME can't even make a safety video properly. This organization is beyond pathetic. Their twitter account has started hiding comments on their tweets because they are cowards and can't face the truth.
 
Chibucks15 said:
Wasn’t there a threatened lawsuit thing hanging around? It would be a great time for that right about now
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i hit up the class action lawyer who represented DO physicians against the AOA and won in 2018. Super nice guy and very passionate with a lot of knowledge about DOs. After our conversation, I was warned by multiple people that it would be career suicide if I tried to proceed any further. :/
 
drplzz said:
i hit up the class action lawyer who represented DO physicians against the AOA and won in 2018. Super nice guy and very passionate with a lot of knowledge about DOs. After our conversation, I was warned by multiple people that it would be career suicide if I tried to proceed any further. :/
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I mean hell can anyone do this anonymously? I get that we can’t but man this is such a blatant money grab
 
How are they getting away with this? Is it possible that they do not realize that everyone hates them? I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and think maybe they don’t realize it... that’s a lot better than they just don’t give a f****
 
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Updated July 7. This right here denies them any liability if you get sick from traveling to or while at the testing site.
 
hawthorn9797 said:
Soooo. Nothing today?? I thought they were “committed to an October 1 update”
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They meant October 1st, 2021.

"Dont worry guys, you will still be able to take PE! Even though we delayed 1.5 years, we got even better super top quality air conditioners installed at our testing centers, so no need to be scared! In addition, class of 2021 will be standardized patients for class of 2022 and vice versa! Thanks for the monies ability to show why DOs are better even in pandemics!"
 
In conjunction with identifying a potential contingency site for clinical skills testing, we continue to listen and collaborate with organizations and individuals in the medical education and medical regulatory communities to address this disruption and its effects, both professionally and personally, on candidates. We empathize with the unique circumstances of osteopathic medical students and residents, and indeed all of us in healthcare, medical education, and our world. Your support and input remains critical to our ability to meet our mission, relied upon by the state medical and osteopathic medical licensing boards and the patients in the communities we serve.
We will continue to provide updated communications regularly, and are committed to a formal update on the contingency planning for clinical skills testing delivery by October 1.

WTF
 
hawthorn9797 said:
In conjunction with identifying a potential contingency site for clinical skills testing, we continue to listen and collaborate with organizations and individuals in the medical education and medical regulatory communities to address this disruption and its effects, both professionally and personally, on candidates. We empathize with the unique circumstances of osteopathic medical students and residents, and indeed all of us in healthcare, medical education, and our world. Your support and input remains critical to our ability to meet our mission, relied upon by the state medical and osteopathic medical licensing boards and the patients in the communities we serve.
We will continue to provide updated communications regularly, and are committed to a formal update on the contingency planning for clinical skills testing delivery by October 1.

WTF
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We got Gimpel'd
 
hawthorn9797 said:
Please elaborate
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The announcement was yesterday when they released a video saying too ****ing bad you can ride an elevator 2 at a time and suck it upppp

Buy in reality: I love our "unique problems that osteopathic medical students face"

YOU MEAN THE HURDLES I FACE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF YOU?!

It would be so much better if these douche bags would just tell the truth instead of pissing on my head and "empathetically" calling it rain. Like, I already hate them with the fervor of 1000 suns so stop pretending to give a ****. We both know you don't.
 
Neopolymath said:
The announcement was yesterday when they released a video saying too ****ing bad you can ride an elevator 2 at a time and suck it upppp

Buy in reality: I love our "unique problems that osteopathic medical students face"

YOU MEAN THE HURDLES I FACE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF YOU?!
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Nah they said they would specifically say it testing would be resumed on November 1 or not. I don’t think that announcement has been made yet
 
Neopolymath said:
The announcement was yesterday when they released a video saying too ****ing bad you can ride an elevator 2 at a time and suck it upppp

Buy in reality: I love our "unique problems that osteopathic medical students face"

YOU MEAN THE HURDLES I FACE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF YOU?!

It would be so much better if these douche bags would just tell the truth instead of pissing on my head and "empathetically" calling it rain. Like, I already hate them with the fervor of 1000 suns so stop pretending to give a ****. We both know you don't.
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There appears to be no mention of the videos on the actual NBOME website since the previous announcement was deleted. The videos only exist now in the YouTube void.
 
cbc86 said:
There appears to be no mention of the videos on the actual NBOME website since the previous announcement was deleted. The videos only exist now in the YouTube void.
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What to Expect on Exam Day - NBOME

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