Addressing PE

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jcve34 said:
So the USMLE Step 3 route is now very much a viable option? Assuming I don't want to practice in CA, FL, MI, PA, WV.
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It has always been a viable option. Just make sure you do the research in the state you want to practice. What the law says and what the board says can be 2 different things.
 
As someone who never took Step 1, is it too late for me to utilize the USMLE pathway? I have heard that you can sit for Step 2 CK without having taken Step 1. Could I, in theory, get licensed through a combo of COMLEX Level 1, USMLE Step 2CK and USMLE Step 3?
 
cbc86 said:
You use the rescheduling form or some nonsense. Look in the FAQ and see if you can find it. If not let me know. Maybe someone could post it here?
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drplzz's link guided me to it, although I'm not sure what "3rd party documentation" they would want.
 
jcve34 said:
So the USMLE Step 3 route is now very much a viable option? Assuming I don't want to practice in CA, FL, MI, PA, WV.
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Yes. Gimpel can’t change that. I wasn’t interested in those states anyway and I purposefully applied to the other states this cycle.
 
Yaldabaoth said:
drplzz's link guided me to it, although I'm not sure what "3rd party documentation" they would want.
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I've heard that if you just give them a compelling reason for being poor (say, having to travel and pay two rents due to covid pushing you out of normal rotation spots) then you're good
 
I got my refund in a couple of days after sending that form in. Pretty smooth process.
 
dabo52 said:
From Frequently Asked Questions on NBOME WEBSITE:

Will NBOME remove passing COMLEX-USA Level 2-PE from the eligibility requirement for COMLEX-USA Level 3?
At this point, that action is not necessary. Testing availability in the remainder of 2021 and 2022 should be more than ample to serve the needs and provide flexibility for all members of the Classes of 2021 and 2022 to test with more than enough time to gain eligibility to take COMLEX-USA Level 3 by the end of their first year in residency or the first half of their second year, which is recommended timing for these examinations.

Should Level 2-PE testing availability be delayed well beyond July 2021, the NBOME will consider providing out-of-sequence availability for taking Level 3 prior to taking Level 2-PE, but in either case, both examinations are anticipated to be required to complete the COMLEX-USA series for unrestricted medical licensure in any of the United States, territories, or D.C.
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They are straight up delusional lololol. Many of the programs whose virtual open houses I went to require Level/Step 3 to be taken by DECEMBER of intern year
 
Someone posted it earlier but confirming again because i'm paranoid...
If you do your residency in CA for example, you HAVE to get CA license right? so you're forced to take the PE?
or can i just do my residency there, be like nope don't wanna take PE, and get my AZ license instead.
 
I logged into nbome instantly after the email, and April-June doesn’t show up on the calendar at all. And I’ve continued to refresh the calendar under rescheduling since then.
 
Dr. Rafiki said:
As someone who never took Step 1, is it too late for me to utilize the USMLE pathway? I have heard that you can sit for Step 2 CK without having taken Step 1. Could I, in theory, get licensed through a combo of COMLEX Level 1, USMLE Step 2CK and USMLE Step 3?
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No, I'm pretty sure you have to complete the whole sequence.
 
Dr. Rafiki said:
As someone who never took Step 1, is it too late for me to utilize the USMLE pathway? I have heard that you can sit for Step 2 CK without having taken Step 1. Could I, in theory, get licensed through a combo of COMLEX Level 1, USMLE Step 2CK and USMLE Step 3?
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No, in order to take Step 3 you have to have the USMLE STEP sequence (except for CS this year). COMLEX and USMLE are not interchangeable
 
I'm fairly convinced that the ONLY reason, or at least the MOST important, for this "change of heart" by NBOME is the potential legal nightmare the Illinois quarantine order brings to the equation. If they were so worried about student/employee well-being they would have cancelled/postponed long ago.

EDIT: at this point it looks like Governor Pritzker saved the day :laugh:
 
DrStephenStrange said:
Class of 2022 is now officially affected by this charade smh.
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My school still hasn’t validated that we (class of 2022) finished second year and are in good standing with the NBOME. So NONE OF US have been able to even try to register for the PE. I took Level 1 four months ago, finished all my coursework through second year, and have never been in disciplinary, so I SHOULD be able to register on principle but my NBOME page still says I’m only eligible for Level 1. I sent an email to admin just yesterday about it because I was getting so mad at the delay.

Now that the November through March dates are cancelled, what dates that were still available over this next summer are probably going to be gone in short order. And we can’t do anything about it because we’re “not eligible” to take it.

I’m a hair away from making formal complaint to COCA about our school sabotaging us. I wanted to before this, but at this point, probably no one in the class of 2022 at my school is going to be able to take the PE before ERAS apps are due because we’re still not even eligible to register for the damn thing. Meanwhile the other third years at my rotation site are sitting pretty with their April/May dates that they registered for weeks ago... :bang:
 
calivianya said:
My school still hasn’t validated that we (class of 2022) finished second year and are in good standing with the NBOME. So NONE OF US have been able to even try to register for the PE. I took Level 1 four months ago, finished all my coursework through second year, and have never been in disciplinary, so I SHOULD be able to register on principle but my NBOME page still says I’m only eligible for Level 1. I sent an email to admin just yesterday about it because I was getting so mad at the delay.

Now that the November through March dates are cancelled, what dates that were still available over this next summer are probably going to be gone in short order. And we can’t do anything about it because we’re “not eligible” to take it.

I’m a hair away from making formal complaint to COCA about our school sabotaging us. I wanted to before this, but at this point, probably no one in the class of 2022 at my school is going to be able to take the PE before ERAS apps are due because we’re still not even eligible to register for the damn thing. Meanwhile the other third years at my rotation site are sitting pretty with their April/May dates that they registered for weeks ago... :bang:
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What are you waiting for? Hit up COCA anonymously.
 
calivianya said:
My school still hasn’t validated that we (class of 2022) finished second year and are in good standing with the NBOME. So NONE OF US have been able to even try to register for the PE. I took Level 1 four months ago, finished all my coursework through second year, and have never been in disciplinary, so I SHOULD be able to register on principle but my NBOME page still says I’m only eligible for Level 1. I sent an email to admin just yesterday about it because I was getting so mad at the delay.

Now that the November through March dates are cancelled, what dates that were still available over this next summer are probably going to be gone in short order. And we can’t do anything about it because we’re “not eligible” to take it.

I’m a hair away from making formal complaint to COCA about our school sabotaging us. I wanted to before this, but at this point, probably no one in the class of 2022 at my school is going to be able to take the PE before ERAS apps are due because we’re still not even eligible to register for the damn thing. Meanwhile the other third years at my rotation site are sitting pretty with their April/May dates that they registered for weeks ago... :bang:
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While I feel for you, it pisses me off reading that 3rd years have April and May dates but there is literally nothing available to me as a 4th year.
 
calivianya said:
My school still hasn’t validated that we (class of 2022) finished second year and are in good standing with the NBOME. So NONE OF US have been able to even try to register for the PE. I took Level 1 four months ago, finished all my coursework through second year, and have never been in disciplinary, so I SHOULD be able to register on principle but my NBOME page still says I’m only eligible for Level 1. I sent an email to admin just yesterday about it because I was getting so mad at the delay.

Now that the November through March dates are cancelled, what dates that were still available over this next summer are probably going to be gone in short order. And we can’t do anything about it because we’re “not eligible” to take it.

I’m a hair away from making formal complaint to COCA about our school sabotaging us. I wanted to before this, but at this point, probably no one in the class of 2022 at my school is going to be able to take the PE before ERAS apps are due because we’re still not even eligible to register for the damn thing. Meanwhile the other third years at my rotation site are sitting pretty with their April/May dates that they registered for weeks ago... :bang:
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Everything is gone through August and only a few September dates remain in Philly. Chicago is already full.
 
cbc86 said:
What are you waiting for? Hit up COCA anonymously.
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I don’t think I can. This is on the complaint form: “Complaints that are received that are not signed by the complainant(s) or are submitted anonymously will not be processed.”

I’m trying to google some way to submit anonymously and get it processed but I can’t find it.
 
TXKnight said:
get a refund, take later
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My situation is complicated because my grandma paid for it and then passed away. So the credit card account no longer exists for an automatic refund. And I know that I will definitely practice in Florida and hope to remain for residency, so I need to complete comlex anyway.
 
TXKnight said:
I'm fairly convinced that the ONLY reason, or at least the MOST important, for this "change of heart" by NBOME is the potential legal nightmare the Illinois quarantine order brings to the equation. If they were so worried about student/employee well-being they would have cancelled/postponed long ago.

EDIT: at this point it looks like Governor Pritzker saved the day :laugh:
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I mean they literally added NOVEMBER dates 1 week ago. Their lie about being concerned for students is hilariously obvious. Someone forced their hand.
 
It will be interesting to see how places like Florida end up changing over the next year or two. Their wording is not clear if I remember it correctly. Technically, they accept reciprocal licenses, no???
 
msnbc2020 said:
No. Florida does not offer licenses by reciprocity.
www.imlcc.org

Physician License | Interstate Medical Licensure Compact

The Interstate Medical Licensure Compact offers a voluntary, expedited pathway to licensure for qualified physicians. Contact us to learn more.
www.imlcc.org www.imlcc.org

General Licensure Requirements:
• Graduation from an osteopathic medical school approved by the American Osteopathic Association (AOA).
• Successful completion of an internship or a residency of not less than 12 months in a program accredited by the American Osteopathic Association or the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education. This requirement may be waived for an applicant who matriculated in a college of osteopathic medicine during or before 1948.
• Must pass all three (3) parts of the National Board of Osteopathic Medical Examiners (NBOME) exam within 5 years of application or licensure in another state, or a substantially similar exam approved by the Board. The Board does not consider the USMLE or FLEX exams to be comparable to the NBOME.
If you have not taken and passed all three parts of the exam offered by the NBOME, you must demonstrate to the Board that the exam you did pass is substantially similar to all three parts of the NBOME. The board does not consider the FLEX or USMLE exams to be substantially similar to the NBOME as neither of these exams has an osteopathic component or osteopathic philosophies generally incorporated into the questions. If you have taken parts I and II of the NBOME exam you may satisfy part III of the exam by passing the COMVEX exam offered by the NBOME. For more information about the NBOME click here: NBOME

Osteopathic Medicine Full Licensure - Florida Board of Osteopathic Medicine

floridasosteopathicmedicine.gov floridasosteopathicmedicine.gov
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This language in the Florida section is interesting to me for two reasons:
1. "Postgraduate Training: 1 year AOA or ACGME approved rotating first year. (This change is pending the Governor’s signature in 2020.) Must have completed at least three years pre-professional postsecondary education."

So we all know Resolution 42 is obsolete and doesn't make any sense now. It was 3 states (or two) left to get rid of the requirement given the merger. So did Florida actually end up changing their requirement to avoid needing a Resolution 42 waiver??? That would be good.

2. " Examinations Accepted: COMLEX, NBOME, COMVEX (state board exam must be reviewed and approved by board)
Examination Requirements: Exam must be taken no more than 5 years prior to making application in Florida, or if the applicant holds an active, valid license in another state, the initial licensure in the other state occurred no later than 5 years after the applicant successfully passed the NBOME or other examination approved by the board."

So the first part says they only accept comlex. But then the second part reads like if you have a full license in a different state "other exam approved by the board" then you can be licensed. It's unclear which board they are talking about. The initial licensing board of the other state or their own? If it's speaking about their own and they already say they only take comlex then why even add that part about another test in there in the first place?
 
Now is a great time to become very familiar with the legal aspects of practicing medicine. The real change needs to come at the level of state legislature. By removing the mandates in state law for things like COMLEX PE, the actions of the NBOME become totally irrelevant.
 
cbc86 said:
Now is a great time to become very familiar with the legal aspects of practicing medicine. The real change needs to come at the level of state legislature. By removing the mandates in state law for things like COMLEX PE, the actions of the NBOME become totally irrelevant.
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The key, like most situations, is to get rid of the separate DO boards. Composite boards are much better and prevent situations like 5 old dudes sitting in Florida making antiquated decisions separate from the MD board in the state.
 
cbc86 said:
Now is a great time to become very familiar with the legal aspects of practicing medicine. The real change needs to come at the level of state legislature. By removing the mandates in state law for things like COMLEX PE, the actions of the NBOME become totally irrelevant.
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Not a single state specifically mentions the PE (or the CS for that matter) in their licensure requirements. Instead, they say you must pass "the entire series". So, as long as NBOME requires a PE pass in order to sit for Level 3 (just like the NBME does with the CS / Step 3), then the NBOME does indeed control the situation.
 
msnbc2020 said:
They are talking about the Florida Board - which does not accept USMLE instead of COMLEX.
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So why even add the part about "or other examination approved by the board"? It's superfluous. It figures that the wording is **** given these are undoubtedly the same people writing comlex questions though.
 
Dr. Rafiki said:
Not a single state specifically mentions the PE (or the CS for that matter) in their licensure requirements. Instead, they say you must pass "the entire series". So, as long as NBOME requires a PE pass in order to sit for Level 3 (just like the NBME does with the CS / Step 3), then the NBOME does indeed control the situation.
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That is what I was implying. Remove requirements for the COMLEX series, and their actions become meaningless.

EDIT: I would like to add that I would much rather take Step 2 CS at this point. Just out of spite.
 
msnbc2020 said:
EXAM DESCRIPTION
The Comprehensive Osteopathic Medical Variable-Purpose Examination (COMVEX), developed by the NBOME for osteopathic physicians holding or that have held a valid license to practice osteopathic medicine in the United States, provides an opportunity for professionals to demonstrate basic osteopathic medical competency.

The COMVEX examination provides state medical licensing boards with reports and information on an individual’s knowledge of current osteopathic medical knowledge and practice under standardized conditions.

  • COMVEX examinations evaluate the depth & breadth of basic osteopathic medical knowledge, using the same assessment foundation as COMLEX-USA.

COMVEX - NBOME

www.nbome.org www.nbome.org
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oh, well thank you sir/mam.
 
You shall know the Truth said:
What do you we pit as the reason for requesting a refund and 3rd party documents
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Note that this isn’t even the form for a refund. It’s the form for a fee waiver. Therefore, fill out the parts that you can and leave the rest blank. You are a customer. They must give you a refund on request for a service they can’t provide.
 
Oligodinero said:
Not a peep from LECOM about this today. I can only imagine what they plan to do about this......but things like administering their own version of PE to their students, NBOME be damned, comes to mind
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I sense overt animosity against LECOM in this thread
 
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