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Lupin21 said:
I am pretty sure most people's groups are going to consist of a questionable person and a regular villager. At least based on what has been discovered so far. Doc's and FFM, Lissa and Nyanko, you and Dwin. As we have seen, Rojo and Escalla also fit the description. The trick is going to be finding the true wolves, just my two cents.
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So we're going with assuming the roles were not RNG'd then?
 
Lynch Vote Tally

Lissarae 4 (Nyanko,, TRH, cyndia, chillbo)
Samoa 1 (DPMD)
Escalla 3 (Carbon, DDS, DocE)
DocE 4 (Phil, Devyn. SnS, LIS)

Uncast votes: 9

Waffle-o-meter-: 1

Lynch Deadline: 7:30pm ET.


Bad Day:
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While I can't Guarantee or promise Moira is *the* wolf, I can tell you I cannot imagine any possible permutation of how Moira could be a villager. I'd bet my life (and at this point am) on wolf or chaos.
 
We have several options today.

Of them, Escalla has a) proven useful to the villagers by using her role b) is still mayor and may in the future be useful as such c) has someone independent outside of her partner somewhat vouching for her.

I think that should by her time for us to figure this out :shrug:
 
DocEspana said:
While I can't Guarantee or promise Moira is *the* wolf, I can tell you I cannot imagine any possible permutation of how Moira could be a villager. I'd bet my life (and at this point am) on wolf or chaos.
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She told me she was an "ambiguous villager" day 1. To me this doesn't sound like bull****
 
Also, while we are at it, Devyns comment that its not my late reveal but "something else" that's setting her off is total bull dookie.

If you are writing a book on how to be DocE you'd use this game as an example of the first two rounds. Right down to taking a high risk high reward move early.
 
DocEspana said:
Also, while we are at it, Devyns comment that its not my late reveal but "something else" that's setting her off is total bull dookie.

If you are writing a book on how to be DocE you'd use this game as an example of the first two rounds. Right down to taking a high risk high reward move early.
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whatever.... I am reading you different.... you don't like it go cry to someone else about it

I have seen you in numerous games... something is off to me
 
devyn said:
Doesn't matter... FFM was not a wolf... he was a criminal... he counted for the villagers...

it was a bad choice
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How can you say that with any confidence. Non black color. Was a criminal who failed the city. Never claimed to be a villager (that I saw). And his death write up was ambiguous as to who he was collecting data for. If the color was red you'd all be high fiving me.

Your insistence on trying to fault me is.... suspicious. We usuallu default to some level of trust and patience.
 
DocEspana said:
How can you say that with any confidence. Non black color. Was a criminal who failed the city. Never claimed to be a villager (that I saw). And his death write up was ambiguous as to who he was collecting data for. If the color was red you'd all be high fiving me.

Your insistence on trying to fault me is.... suspicious. We usuallu default to some level of trust and patience.
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I will default to some level of trust and patience when I see you actually using logic

I do not see how escalla at this point in time is a wolf or chaos.... she was able to dismantle a kill item which would have taken out an entire part of the city (2 players), that seems beneficial to the villagers.... I would rather she be investigated further before condemning her as a wolf especially when there are people vouching for her....
 
Lynch Vote Tally

Lissarae 5 (Nyanko,, TRH, cyndia, chillbo, jojo)
Samoa 1 (DPMD)
Escalla 3 (Carbon, DDS, DocE)
DocE 4 (Phil, Devyn. SnS, LIS)

Uncast votes: 8 (@Escalla @Dwindlin @DVMDream @kaydubs @Lupin21 @MediCane2006 @Samoa @Lissarae06 )

Waffle-o-meter-: 1

Lynch Deadline: 7:30pm ET.

Today's lynch method, sucking the player into a jet engine.
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Carbon said:
What's that evidence?
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I have no intention of answering that. Sorry.

DocEspana said:
While I can't Guarantee or promise Moira is *the* wolf, I can tell you I cannot imagine any possible permutation of how Moira could be a villager. I'd bet my life (and at this point am) on wolf or chaos.
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I think you're wrong about both (wolf or chaos).

I can get on board lynching Lissa, though.
 
devyn said:
I will default to some level of trust and patience when I see you actually using logic

I do not see how escalla at this point in time is a wolf or chaos.... she was able to dismantle a kill item which would have taken out an entire part of the city (2 players), that seems beneficial to the villagers.... I would rather she be investigated further before condemning her as a wolf especially when there are people vouching for her....
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There is no conceivable way for Moira to be villager. The example ill give is FF7. If you make shinra the villains, you still can't mentally justify making Sephiroth a villager.

Moira has tried yo kill the arrow/Queen multiple times, did kill his father (technically suicide did, but it was because of her attempt to flat out kill him), and allied with all the other major villains until forced to do otherwise, per her own wiki. She is the mastermind villain of the series by all wikipedia-able information. You don't make that a "misunderstood villager". You can make it chaos, if not straight wolf. She does screw over other villains when they put her at risk.
 
DocEspana said:
There is no conceivable way for Moira to be villager. The example ill give is FF7. If you make shinra the villains, you still can't mentally justify making Sephiroth a villager.

Moira has tried yo kill the arrow/Queen multiple times, did kill his father (technically suicide did, but it was because of her attempt to flat out kill him), and allied with all the other major villains until forced to do otherwise, per her own wiki. She is the mastermind villain of the series by all wikipedia-able information. You don't make that a "misunderstood villager". You can make it chaos, if not straight wolf. She does screw over other villains when they put her at risk.
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You are straight-up wrong. 110%.

She didn't kill his father, Merlyn arranged for it. She was forced into that plan and all subsequent plans. She is not a good person, but she does whatever necessary to protect herself and her kids.
 
nyanko said:
too easy
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what's your differential (just curious .not advice) for an 8yo IG (not mine thankfully) that has a grand mal seizure (first one) and then has loss of function in its legs for several hours… with a slight improvement 24-48 hours later.

I had some thoughts but was wondering if I missed anything obvious (in my personal speculation. i was not involved).
 
DocEspana said:
There is no conceivable way for Moira to be villager. The example ill give is FF7. If you make shinra the villains, you still can't mentally justify making Sephiroth a villager.

Moira has tried yo kill the arrow/Queen multiple times, did kill his father (technically suicide did, but it was because of her attempt to flat out kill him), and allied with all the other major villains until forced to do otherwise, per her own wiki. She is the mastermind villain of the series by all wikipedia-able information. You don't make that a "misunderstood villager". You can make it chaos, if not straight wolf. She does screw over other villains when they put her at risk.
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I clearly read a different wiki.
 
Lynch Vote Tally

Lissarae 6 (Nyanko,, TRH, cyndia, chillbo, jojo, LIS)
Samoa 1 (DPMD)
Escalla 3 (Carbon, DDS, DocE)
DocE 3 (Phil, Devyn. SnS,)

Uncast votes: 8 (@Escalla @Dwindlin @DVMDream @kaydubs @Lupin21 @MediCane2006 @Samoa @Lissarae06 )

Waffle-o-meter-: 2

Lynch Deadline: 7:30pm ET.

Found one of my favorite old avatars. you guys remember this one?
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StartingoverVet said:
what's your differential (just curious .not advice) for an 8yo IG (not mine thankfully) that has a grand mal seizure (first one) and then has loss of function in its legs for several hours… with a slight improvement 24-48 hours later.

I had some thoughts but was wondering if I missed anything obvious (in my personal speculation. i was not involved).
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Loss of function in all 4?
 
Well a generalized tonic-clonic seizure can cause muscle pain and weakness on its own. In an 8 year old dog the differentials for new onset of seizures would be like intracranial: tumor, vascular event, encephalitis or extracranial: metabolic encephalopathy. If the neurological deficits change localization from prosencephalon or become worse I'd be more likely to think tumor or encephalitis whereas if they kind of stay static or improve a vascular event is most likely. You have to throw metabolic on there as well as something that could wax or wane.
 
nyanko said:
Well a generalized tonic-clonic seizure can cause muscle pain and weakness on its own. In an 8 year old dog the differentials for new onset of seizures would be like intracranial: tumor, vascular event, encephalitis or extracranial: metabolic encephalopathy. If the neurological deficits change localization from prosencephalon or become worse I'd be more likely to think tumor or encephalitis whereas if they kind of stay static or improve a vascular event is most likely. You have to throw metabolic on there as well as something that could wax or wane.
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Or toxicity.
 
Escalla said:
You are straight-up wrong. 110%.

She didn't kill his father, Merlyn arranged for it. She was forced into that plan and all subsequent plans. She is not a good person, but she does whatever necessary to protect herself and her kids.
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From her wiki: "...it is here revealed that the ship Oliver and his father were on didn't shipwreck but was sabotaged by Moira."

Reading g the whole wiki entry top to bottom it apoears that she is definitely 100% wicked and evil BUT tries to reform through season 2 and 3. She seems totally complicit and happy with it all until she relasizes merlyn controls her, not the other way around near the end of season 1, which is all I've watched to. Season 2 and 3 wiki as a redemption story of sorts.

I trust you as far aa I can throw you (my upper body strength sucks) but I need to preserve myself and being forced to read every episode description helps your case.

Unlynch moira queen. Lynch Lissa
 
DocEspana said:
From her wiki: "...it is here revealed that the ship Oliver and his father were on didn't shipwreck but was sabotaged by Moira."

Reading g the whole wiki entry top to bottom it apoears that she is definitely 100% wicked and evil BUT tries to reform through season 2 and 3. She seems totally complicit and happy with it all until she relasizes merlyn controls her, not the other way around near the end of season 1, which is all I've watched to. Season 2 and 3 wiki as a redemption story of sorts.

I trust you as far aa I can throw you (my upper body strength sucks) but I need to preserve myself and being forced to read every episode description helps your case.

Unlynch moira queen. Lynch Lissa
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You're editing out the "unknown man" to better serve your purpose. What it really said:

"As the episode ends she is seen getting into a limousine with a unknown man , it is here revealed that the ship Oliver and his father were on didn't shipwreck but was sabotaged by Moira and the unknown man."

The unknown man was Malcolm Merlyn and it is stated many times throughout the wiki that she was under her thumb and wanted him gone. Prior affair or not, she was forced onto his team and only went along enough to protect Oliver and Thea.

Also from the wiki:

"Moira is oftentimes ruthless, in an ends-justify-the-means sense. She had her own son kidnapped, but tried to justify it as doing to so prove he knew nothing about the Undertaking, and thus save his life. She attempted to have Malcolm Merlyn killed, so that she would be out from under his thumb, she and her children would be safe, and to prevent the deaths of innocent thousands. When the attempt failed, she betrayed her co-conspirator, Frank Chen, to avoid her own implication and so she and her children would not be killed. Malcolm, as The Dark Archer, killed Frank. Despite evident and prevalent flaws, it should be noted that Moira convinced The Dark Archer to spare Frank's daughter.

It becomes increasingly evident, as the series progresses, that Moira is in way over her head. After Oliver revealed how Robert really died, and how he sacrificed himself so he could live, she finally does the right thing, realizing she cannot live with the guilt of being an accomplice in killing innocent people in the Glades."

You didn't need to read every episode, just the general statement about her to get the whole story. Taking bits and pieces here and there will give you a skewed view.
 
Carbon said:
But an "enemy of team Arrow" could very well just be another criminal on the list. I don't see that as being more compelling than knowing that Escalla is Moira Queen.
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Escalla said something that very specifically makes me think 'villager'. Both FFM and Lissa have done nothing to put themselves into that category.

(SOV, in case it wasn't clear it was a joke: unlynch SOV, lynch Lissa.)
 
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