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Cyndia said:
Why this switch?

I wanna hear more from Mel, reading back not a ton of content there either.
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Wanted to see how people would respond to a deliberately retaliatory vote. Didn’t really seem like discussion was going anywhere so I gave it somewhere to go.
 
Melchizedek said:
Wanted to see how people would respond to a deliberately retaliatory vote. Didn’t really seem like discussion was going anywhere so I gave it somewhere to go.
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Did you see what you wanted?
 
Melchizedek said:
Wanted to see how people would respond to a deliberately retaliatory vote. Didn’t really seem like discussion was going anywhere so I gave it somewhere to go.
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That's the weakest reaction test I've ever heard of :laugh:
 
cubsrule4e said:
Cyndia talking about her house again... meta of 1 but wolfy.
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Oops sorry - It's our first house and I'm a biiiiit excited if you can't tell. 😀 We don't even close till the end of the month so trying hard not to get too over invested in planning in case something happens to go wrong, but it's all I can think about.
 
Melchizedek said:
Wanted to see how people would respond to a deliberately retaliatory vote. Didn’t really seem like discussion was going anywhere so I gave it somewhere to go.
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Hmm. I mean you're not a noob so I believe this since I don't think you'd make a retaliatory vote on accident but meh on the results this pulled. Puts you more into my village pile then.
 
Cyndia said:
Hmm. I mean you're not a noob so I believe this since I don't think you'd make a retaliatory vote on accident but meh on the results this pulled. Puts you more into my village pile then.
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What results did it pull?
 
Cyndia said:
Zero results aside from me pointing it out. I would have liked to see how coop would have responded, but it looks like she hasn't been on thread since Mel did that to admitting why he did it.
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Okay, I guess I'm confused how it nets a village leans if the thread is the same track as before it occurs. Is retailtory voting exclusive to villagers?
Melchizedek said:
Dunno haven’t read. Been busy and responded to tags
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So why'd you reveal before seeing what responses it got?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Okay, I guess I'm confused how it nets a village leans if the thread is the same track as before it occurs. Is retailtory voting exclusive to villagers?

So why'd you reveal before seeing what responses it got?
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It's not but from my point of view, but what advantage would a wolf get from retaliatory voting? I don't see that netting them much useful information and just throws the spotlight on them. I see it as more of a village action (as long as it's not a complete noob doing it) to try to get a rise out of someone/see what happens.

But that's a valid point - the timing of mel's response is a little odd. I know I was pushing him to talk, but the heat wasn't really on him yet and he could have talked a little without revealing the exact why, especially since we've still got several hours to vote close.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Cyndia, from what ive seen so far, likes to project and give her opinion on "well a wolf/villager would do this," when someone says or does something that she can use to argue her cause of contributing. Like at the end of last game when I threw out my vote onto barks to see if anyone would go there and then she did the same thing 5 minutes later and claimed it a village move, as if people didnt see that I had just done the same thing. Thats actually when I became convinced she was one of the wolves. So not looking in a positive light right now, but again I only have one game plus one cycle to go on. But more to the wolfy side of the player list.
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cubsrule4e said:
So how do you distinguish between a villager being honest about voting and putting their vote somewhere even when they arent sure and a wolf doing the same thing and putting out votes to confuse people (@Sunbodi ring a bell?)? I guess I just dont see it as important as you. Sorry that we disagree.

In fact though, reading out my prior post about cyndia in my head, I feel like thats more of a wolf lead than SAR right now, despite the limited game experience. So if youre looking for a commitment even though it might change, vote cyndia.
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What have I said/done so far this game that's made you think I'm wolfy? I'm an easy vote after last game, so I want to hear specifics on your reasoning.
 
Cyndia said:
It's not but from my point of view, but what advantage would a wolf get from retaliatory voting? I don't see that netting them much useful information and just throws the spotlight on them. I see it as more of a village action (as long as it's not a complete noob doing it) to try to get a rise out of someone/see what happens.
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Wolves aren't trying to get information anyway though. They already know everyone's affiliations. They only want to survive and make others look wolfier.

I'm not certain what you consider the difference between a noob doing this and a veteran doing this.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Wolves aren't trying to get information anyway though. They already know everyone's affiliations.

I'm not certain what you consider the difference between a noob doing this and a veteran doing this.
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That's my point - there's no advantage to a wolf doing it because they don't need the info, so at best they get nothing out of it, at worst it puts them in the hot seat. Hence making it a village leaning action, because it would potentially net some useful info for a villager.

As for noob v. veteran, I feel like I've seen noobs get hotheaded and upset at votes against themselves and will retaliatory vote without realizing sometimes. Again just a generalization and not something I'd 100% go off of, but I'm more likely to watch closely at a noob retaliating accidentally than a more veteran player claiming to have done it on purpose.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Okay, I guess I'm confused how it nets a village leans if the thread is the same track as before it occurs. Is retailtory voting exclusive to villagers?

So why'd you reveal before seeing what responses it got?
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Because cyndia asked so nicely. You jealous? 😛
 
Cyndia said:
That's my point - there's no advantage to a wolf doing it because they don't need the info, so at best they get nothing out of it, at worst it puts them in the hot seat. Hence making it a village leaning action, because it would potentially net some useful info for a villager.

As for noob v. veteran, I feel like I've seen noobs get hotheaded and upset at votes against themselves and will retaliatory vote without realizing sometimes. Again just a generalization and not something I'd 100% go off of, but I'm more likely to watch closely at a noob retaliating accidentally than a more veteran player claiming to have done it on purpose.
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Pretty much all thread things have no immediate use to wolves though (outside of self-prezzing).

Not certain I understand the noob/veteran dichotomy either since no noobs are present in this game, unless you believe village noobs are incapable of retaliatory voting?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Pretty much all thread things have no immediate use to wolves though (outside of self-prezzing).

Not certain I understand the noob/veteran dichotomy either since no noobs are present in this game, unless you believe village noobs are incapable of retaliatory voting?
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I feel like you read what I said too quickly and didn't fully comprehend my point so we're spiraling off.

To reiterate - When you asked why I put mel in my village pile, I said it was because him making a retaliatory vote to suss out info seems like a village action (because wolves would have no advantage to trying to retaliate to suss out info). You're right that most thread things have no use to wolves, and that's why I think Mel's action is villagery.

The noob/vet dichotomy is not really relevant to this game. I just happened to toss that in to explain my reasoning for believing Mel because had a noob done this I would be watching them more closely/less likely to believe that they did it purposefully. Village noobs are also definitely capable of retaliatory voting hence why I also said it's a generalization and not something I'd go 100% off of, but I would be watching anyone new making retaliatory votes closely. I don't really remember Mel's meta but have definitely played with him at some point in the past, and know he's not a noob, so that's why I said in one of my earlier posts that I believed his explanation and that I didn't think it was an accidental retaliation vote.

TL;DR - I believe Mel's explanation, and have moved him towards my village pile. Mel is not a noob. Some wolfy and village noobs retaliate accidentally, I watch them closely. Not relevant for this game, because no noobs here.
 
Cyndia said:
AH this post. This is the exact sort of logical garbage that I like to spout when I'm a wolf. Things that make sense and agree with things that have already been posted by other people, without actually adding additional content lol. Not willing to move my vote yet because this is obviously a flimsy reason and very small gut feeling I had reading it, but just pointing it out.
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See this reads wolfy to me. Maybe sat too, but this mostly
 
Cyndia said:
Reiterating that I want to hear more from @Melchizedek . After seeing the tally, his vote reads slightly retaliatory to me since he didn't give any reasons for it.

Also unyeet coop for now. Though I also wanna hear more from @Coopah because I agree with AM after she quoted all of her posts. Overall pretty noncommittal/contentless posts and I'm not getting many reads off of them.
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Yo! Just got back from my volunteer day. Not a good day but I still got to pet doggos so I'm counting it a win.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Feeling pretty ok about Coop in general, like Dubz I cant pinpoint why. She generally talks off topic a fair amount like with the HP thing, so thats NAI to me.

Barks hedging on me early in the game also is very common for her. Paranoid about me maybe but doesnt want to be the one to start voting me and then have me flip village and come back on her looking bad.

Chit chatty dubz seems fine, pressing AM pretty village play. AM's responses and general "you still havent responded to my questions" feels village as well. As is her targeting of me for no good reason.

SAR i am usually pretty non commital on early in the game, takes a lot of talking from her for me to start putting things together on affiliation. And even then I find her tricky. But I do agree with the things cyndia and dubz have pointed out.

I dont know where tf Mel is.

Most wolfy currently: SAR
Most village currently: Dub
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Do you have a read of Cyndia?
 
cubsrule4e said:
Cyndia, from what ive seen so far, likes to project and give her opinion on "well a wolf/villager would do this," when someone says or does something that she can use to argue her cause of contributing. Like at the end of last game when I threw out my vote onto barks to see if anyone would go there and then she did the same thing 5 minutes later and claimed it a village move, as if people didnt see that I had just done the same thing. Thats actually when I became convinced she was one of the wolves. So not looking in a positive light right now, but again I only have one game plus one cycle to go on. But more to the wolfy side of the player list.
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I like this read actually, well thought out
 
Cyndia said:
It's not but from my point of view, but what advantage would a wolf get from retaliatory voting? I don't see that netting them much useful information and just throws the spotlight on them. I see it as more of a village action (as long as it's not a complete noob doing it) to try to get a rise out of someone/see what happens.

But that's a valid point - the timing of mel's response is a little odd. I know I was pushing him to talk, but the heat wasn't really on him yet and he could have talked a little without revealing the exact why, especially since we've still got several hours to vote close.
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Ok but what benefit does a villager get from it? Especially with how he ended it before I even saw it? Doesn't make sense either way tbh so I'm not sure how you got a village lean
 
Cyndia said:
I feel like you read what I said too quickly and didn't fully comprehend my point so we're spiraling off.

To reiterate - When you asked why I put mel in my village pile, I said it was because him making a retaliatory vote to suss out info seems like a village action (because wolves would have no advantage to trying to retaliate to suss out info). You're right that most thread things have no use to wolves, and that's why I think Mel's action is villagery.

The noob/vet dichotomy is not really relevant to this game. I just happened to toss that in to explain my reasoning for believing Mel because had a noob done this I would be watching them more closely/less likely to believe that they did it purposefully. Village noobs are also definitely capable of retaliatory voting hence why I also said it's a generalization and not something I'd go 100% off of, but I would be watching anyone new making retaliatory votes closely. I don't really remember Mel's meta but have definitely played with him at some point in the past, and know he's not a noob, so that's why I said in one of my earlier posts that I believed his explanation and that I didn't think it was an accidental retaliation vote.

TL;DR - I believe Mel's explanation, and have moved him towards my village pile. Mel is not a noob. Some wolfy and village noobs retaliate accidentally, I watch them closely. Not relevant for this game, because no noobs here.
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Ok this is a good explanation except I feel like Mel's response was idk I didn't have a reason so it was a reaction test. Doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be a reaction test just that it was weird and you didn't really question his motivation at all which is why I think that's weird.
 
Cyndia said:
Hmm. I mean you're not a noob so I believe this since I don't think you'd make a retaliatory vote on accident but meh on the results this pulled. Puts you more into my village pile then.
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You had these pieces of information and could have come to that conclusion before you even brought up the discussion on thread. So I'm wondering why you felt the need to talk it out on thread.

unvote coops
 
Melchizedek said:
You had these pieces of information and could have come to that conclusion before you even brought up the discussion on thread. So I'm wondering why you felt the need to talk it out on thread.

unvote coops
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Because it's still something weird to notice and I wanted to hear more from you because you hadn't said anything of substance yet.
 
Cyndia said:
Ehh I'm siding with AM on this whole argument. She's totally right that the lack of discussion helped the wolves out like crazy towards the end last game. It's hard to come up with content D1 until you start seeing reactions, so I feel like she was still attempting to add content by stirring up and fostering discussion with that statement.
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My gut reaction reading this was "Pocket attempt on AM?"
Thoughts?
 
Coopah said:
Dubz I'm good for now. Mel is a little weird for me definitely more sketch. Because of that was a reaction test that was the worst one ever. And then he openly admitted it was a rest before he got a reaction, so wut?
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Do you think Cyndia/Mel is w/w?
 
Meh the only real feels I have today are

Vote Cyndia
 
So far I have the strongest village reads for Dubz and Coops. I want to put AM there as well but I also have some tinfoil there so not ready to totally commit.

Not hating my Barks vote tbh. Also don't totally hate the Cyndia vote. Those would be my two top wolf reads right now. I need to think about where Barks' vote is on the overall Cyndia vote though on whether they could be w/w. It was still in the "joking" stage so could totally be a wolf trying to buy cred D1 by bussing a fellow wolf with the full intent to move off. On the other hand, that's a dangerous move and not sure if it's one I'd see wolf Barks making - I think of her as much more of a team player so hard for me to reconcile that entirely

I guess that leaves Mel and Cubs more in my neutral pile. Probably with Cubs slightly more village lean than Mel
 
SARdoghandler said:
So far I have the strongest village reads for Dubz and Coops. I want to put AM there as well but I also have some tinfoil there so not ready to totally commit.

Not hating my Barks vote tbh. Also don't hate the Cyndia vote. Those would be my two top wolf reads right now. I need to think about where Barks' vote is on the overall Cyndia vote though on whether they could be w/w. It was still in the "joking" stage so could totally be a wolf trying to buy cred D1 by bussing a fellow wolf with the full intent to move off. On the other hand, that's a dangerous move and not sure if it's one I'd see wolf Barks making - I think of her as much more of a team player so hard for me to reconcile that entirely

I guess that leaves Mel and Cubs more in my neutral pile. Probably with Cubs slightly more village lean than Mel
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Why are you wolfreading Barks?
 
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