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Ok theorizing a little more, how many power roles would this game actually have I can see something like a blocker I can see something like a protector I'm not 100% sure I see something like a night avoidance based on the size of the game and the ratio of power roles that we have seen so far versus potential wolf abilities. I doubt all three rolls would be included but I am not omnipotent and kaydubs does whatever she wants to keep us guessing. I could definitely see a wolf blocker and a night avoidance is an easy claim for a wolf to make. At this point I'm just putting things out there to see what other people think of my inane ramblings at midnight.
 
Coopah said:
So @SARdoghandler what did you say about not letting conversation stagnate?
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I don't think this is stagnated? If I wanted it to stagnate conversation as a wolf I wouldn't have come out with my info right at day open. Barks and Cubs are desperate now and trying to pull out whatever they can to get the one extra mislynch to win

Barkley13 said:
You know what I just realized? You’re calling me static when you’ve been focused on me since day 1 :thinking:
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Yeah, I started tunneling you on day 1. But since I'm pretty sure you're a wolf, I don't see a problem with that. I've also actually put together argument posts for why I feel that way and have actively been changing my reads for who I think your partner could be. I haven't seen any on thread evidence of you reevaluating any of your reads.

If I am a wolf, who's my pack?

(In other news it's 6am and I'm not supposed to be awake for another hour but someone crashed their car into a tree in front of my house and all the sirens woke me up so here we are haha)
 
Coopah said:
Ok theorizing a little more, how many power roles would this game actually have I can see something like a blocker I can see something like a protector I'm not 100% sure I see something like a night avoidance based on the size of the game and the ratio of power roles that we have seen so far versus potential wolf abilities. I doubt all three rolls would be included but I am not omnipotent and kaydubs does whatever she wants to keep us guessing. I could definitely see a wolf blocker and a night avoidance is an easy claim for a wolf to make. At this point I'm just putting things out there to see what other people think of my inane ramblings at midnight.
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This was kind of my thinking, a nk avoidance seems really OP in a game this small. Especially if paired with a village protector role AND a blocking role - three ways for village to stop night kills seems like a lot unless the wolves are also packing some serious firepower.

I don't want to go too far down the mechanics rabbit hole because when village gets hyperfixated on mechanics we usually lose. But not all these claims are adding up.

Additionally I think it would be ballsy but believable that Barks fake claimed protector. With so many flipped vanillagers, it would be a calculated risk but with me having her backed into a corner I think I can see her doing that. Or she's not lying and is a wolf protector
 
Day 3 YOLO Vote/Yeet Tally

Barks (2) - SAR, Coops
cubs (1) - DubZ

3/5

Leading: @Barkley13

Deadline closes TODAY, Wednesday, 8/12/2020 at 10PM (~12.5 hours)

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Coopah said:
Ok theorizing a little more, how many power roles would this game actually have I can see something like a blocker I can see something like a protector I'm not 100% sure I see something like a night avoidance based on the size of the game and the ratio of power roles that we have seen so far versus potential wolf abilities. I doubt all three rolls would be included but I am not omnipotent and kaydubs does whatever she wants to keep us guessing. I could definitely see a wolf blocker and a night avoidance is an easy claim for a wolf to make. At this point I'm just putting things out there to see what other people think of my inane ramblings at midnight.
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*AM rolls over in her grave*

Though I am trying to remember if kaydubs usually tells people when their night kill avoidances are used. I'm leaning yes but I know if I say that now after the game she's going to remind me that she does things differently all the time...
 
SARdoghandler said:
This was kind of my thinking, a nk avoidance seems really OP in a game this small. Especially if paired with a village protector role AND a blocking role - three ways for village to stop night kills seems like a lot unless the wolves are also packing some serious firepower.

I don't want to go too far down the mechanics rabbit hole because when village gets hyperfixated on mechanics we usually lose. But not all these claims are adding up.

Additionally I think it would be ballsy but believable that Barks fake claimed protector. With so many flipped vanillagers, it would be a calculated risk but with me having her backed into a corner I think I can see her doing that. Or she's not lying and is a wolf protector
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OR.... the NK avoidance and protector could be village, and the blocker be a wolf.

vote SAR

According to dubz, SAR and barks cant be a pack, but SAR is the one in both of my remaining scenarios. Either shes a wolf or this is the deepest villager tunnel Ive ever seen.

Coopah, no I was not notified I was attacked or protected, but since when have getting or not getting some or all night result notifications ever been reliable? Thats like relying solely on NKA or something similar. This feels like a wolf move trying to make me look like Im fakeclaiming.

SAR/Coops 2020
 
The thing I'm not understanding is why wolf!SAR didn't self prez when I made that tie. If the pack is SAR/coop then either they both chose not to move and risk both their lives in the tie, or they were both absent at yeet close, knowing they were on the board.

Like, one of them moving to mel would have saved both of them and they didn't budge, with no way of knowing if I was going to stay put or move to one of them or whatever. It doesn't fly for me.

Edit: just remembered coop was already voting for Mel, but SAR statements stand as she was on barks at the time
 
cubsrule4e said:
OR.... the NK avoidance and protector could be village, and the blocker be a wolf.

vote SAR

According to dubz, SAR and barks cant be a pack, but SAR is the one in both of my remaining scenarios. Either shes a wolf or this is the deepest villager tunnel Ive ever seen.

Coopah, no I was not notified I was attacked or protected, but since when have getting or not getting some or all night result notifications ever been reliable? Thats like relying solely on NKA or something similar. This feels like a wolf move trying to make me look like Im fakeclaiming.

SAR/Coops 2020
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1) no it's not reliable but if you were notified that certainly would be more information to consider.
B) why are you so convinced barks is village? Why can't you even consider barks is lying here? Do you know something we don't know?
Garfield) why are you so convinced about SAR and I? If you're providing an alternate explanation you should consider the fact that SAR is telling the truth and has convinced herself of barks guiltyness.
 
WildZoo said:
The thing I'm not understanding is why wolf!SAR didn't self prez when I made that tie. If the pack is SAR/coop then either they both chose not to move and risk both their lives in the tie, or they were both absent at yeet close, knowing they were on the board.

Like, one of them moving to mel would have saved both of them and they didn't budge, with no way of knowing if I was going to stay put or move to one of them or whatever. It doesn't fly for me.

Edit: just remembered coop was already voting for Mel, but SAR statements stand as she was on barks at the time
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Kind of exactly. I was playing halo at lunch close and I've literally never been able to stay away from lynch close as a wolf. But I suppose it's up to dubz.

What's kind of nice about this is that the two packs have sort of been determined and since I'm in one theoretical pack I don't have to think which one is correct.

What's more is I had more theoretical packs that just Cubs and barks so I'm really not sure why Cubs is so gung ho about me and SAR, unless he's defending his partner.
 
SARdoghandler said:
I don't think this is stagnated? If I wanted it to stagnate conversation as a wolf I wouldn't have come out with my info right at day open. Barks and Cubs are desperate now and trying to pull out whatever they can to get the one extra mislynch to win
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I mean it felt like not a lot of discussion happened yesterday but perhaps that's just my perspective.
 
Coopah said:
1) no it's not reliable but if you were notified that certainly would be more information to consider.
B) why are you so convinced barks is village? Why can't you even consider barks is lying here? Do you know something we don't know?
Garfield) why are you so convinced about SAR and I? If you're providing an alternate explanation you should consider the fact that SAR is telling the truth and has convinced herself of barks guiltyness.
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I never said barks is necessarily village. I may even change my vote, its 11am and I keep reading through the role claims between them. Those have been the 3 people in my POE. I currently feel more confident about SAR than you or barks. Dubz said its literally impossible for SAR/Barks to be a pack based on interactions, and if SAR is a wolf, that leaves you as her mate, unless dubz is deepwolfing and has us all fooled. And if SAR is village, well then game is over anyway.
 
Coopah said:
Kind of exactly. I was playing halo at lunch close and I've literally never been able to stay away from lynch close as a wolf. But I suppose it's up to dubz.

What's kind of nice about this is that the two packs have sort of been determined and since I'm in one theoretical pack I don't have to think which one is correct.

What's more is I had more theoretical packs that just Cubs and barks so I'm really not sure why Cubs is so gung ho about me and SAR, unless he's defending his partner.
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What if theyre both fake claiming to counter each other? Are you on the SAR/barks cant be a pack, therefore its me and barks? Do YOU not think that SAR could be a wolf?
 
cubsrule4e said:
What if theyre both fake claiming to counter each other? Are you on the SAR/barks cant be a pack, therefore its me and barks? Do YOU not think that SAR could be a wolf?
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I considered this, but it doesn't sound reasonable to me. I don't know why they would both false claim and draw that much attention to them and also have someone be able to counter claim. Especially to pull this in lylo. Did SAR plan this from D1? Because she's been there since then.

Absolutely SAR could be the lying wolf, however and I've discussed this previously, you and barks have put me in her pack. Since I know I'm village, I know you're wrong. There's the possibility it's dubz and SAR except dubz went after SAR D1 and I know how much she like to keep her packs together, especially such a small pack.

Therefore by POE it's you and barks
 
Coopah said:
I considered this, but it doesn't sound reasonable to me. I don't know why they would both false claim and draw that much attention to them and also have someone be able to counter claim. Especially to pull this in lylo. Did SAR plan this from D1? Because she's been there since then.

Absolutely SAR could be the lying wolf, however and I've discussed this previously, you and barks have put me in her pack. Since I know I'm village, I know you're wrong. There's the possibility it's dubz and SAR except dubz went after SAR D1 and I know how much she like to keep her packs together, especially such a small pack.

Therefore by POE it's you and barks
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And I know Im village, so theoretically consider me village for a second. So if its not you or me, and its definitely Barks, would you choose SAR or Dubz as the 2nd?
 
Coopah said:
Probably dubz. Same question to you. If I was village, who would be the wolves?
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I still dont think its impossible that its SAR/Barks especially if they have coordinated their claims, but much less likely than I thought a day ago. Barks flipping wolf essentially clears SAR especially if it proves barks was lying about her role, which makes the other only possibility dubz. How does that square with your thoughts?
 
cubsrule4e said:
I still dont think its impossible that its SAR/Barks especially if they have coordinated their claims, but much less likely than I thought a day ago. Barks flipping wolf essentially clears SAR especially if it proves barks was lying about her role, which makes the other only possibility dubz. How does that square with your thoughts?
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Yup that's basically where I'm at
 
Alright well I have to go to work and then bowling. I will of course be around, but I dont want to risk something unexpected happening (currently water heater leaking with ceiling and sheetrock water damage) and I get caught up in real life, so:

My NK avoidance was not used (and it is explicitly stated I would be notified if it was). I wanted to see how everyone, particularly SAR vs Barks would react to the claim that it was. SARs answers have been much more thought out while Barks claims and defenses have been strictly generic, and when she saw my post about my NKA she said "oh look! another explanation" instead of vehemently going into a detailed defense as I would expect from her as a villager. I know shes having phone problems, but it doesnt fit her usual. Also SARs tunnel has been backed up by a lot of work and explanations. As for the dueling claims, this strikes me as legitimate vs a well thought out wolf beguilement:

SARdoghandler said:
Yeah I know it's a she said she said, figured that's how it would go. I really debated outing Barks yesterday but then figured it would be more useful to village to try for one more night kill block to also buy us an extra day. WIFOMed my way into the wrong choice in the 50/50 unfortunately
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So on the mechanics claim, Im siding with SAR. Also, not relying solely on mechanics, but in this small of a game with mostly vanilla flips, the N1 block is the most likely explanation for no kills (A forgotten wolf kill seems insanely unlikely). Again, barks demeanor is much less defensive with this kind of pressure as she would show as a villager. Her wishy washy first statement about me put up a red flag, as it feels like she was waiting on others opinions of me before pushing me or defending me depending on public perception.

And the coup de gras... the 🙄 react to Coops vote on her, which is essentially equivalent to a 😛 in posting terms. Sorry Bark-o 🙁

unvote SAR
vote Barks

A wolf flip gives SAR village points. I can see Coop if a wolf jumping on barks pretty immediately today, knowing that ship is sinking, leaving me as an easy last push by backing SARs theory about me and Barks being a pack.

Coop, since its all cards on the table, do you have a PR/vanilla claim?

And if Zoo is just laid back deep wolfing with ease then I just dont even know what to do.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Alright well I have to go to work and then bowling. I will of course be around, but I dont want to risk something unexpected happening (currently water heater leaking with ceiling and sheetrock water damage) and I get caught up in real life, so:

My NK avoidance was not used (and it is explicitly stated I would be notified if it was). I wanted to see how everyone, particularly SAR vs Barks would react to the claim that it was. SARs answers have been much more thought out while Barks claims and defenses have been strictly generic, and when she saw my post about my NKA she said "oh look! another explanation" instead of vehemently going into a detailed defense as I would expect from her as a villager. I know shes having phone problems, but it doesnt fit her usual. Also SARs tunnel has been backed up by a lot of work and explanations. As for the dueling claims, this strikes me as legitimate vs a well thought out wolf beguilement:



So on the mechanics claim, Im siding with SAR. Also, not relying solely on mechanics, but in this small of a game with mostly vanilla flips, the N1 block is the most likely explanation for no kills (A forgotten wolf kill seems insanely unlikely). Again, barks demeanor is much less defensive with this kind of pressure as she would show as a villager. Her wishy washy first statement about me put up a red flag, as it feels like she was waiting on others opinions of me before pushing me or defending me depending on public perception.

And the coup de gras... the 🙄 react to Coops vote on her, which is essentially equivalent to a 😛 in posting terms. Sorry Bark-o 🙁

unvote SAR
vote Barks

A wolf flip gives SAR village points. I can see Coop if a wolf jumping on barks pretty immediately today, knowing that ship is sinking, leaving me as an easy last push by backing SARs theory about me and Barks being a pack.

Coop, since its all cards on the table, do you have a PR/vanilla claim?

And if Zoo is just laid back deep wolfing with ease then I just dont even know what to do.
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So why, if theoretically I was a wolf instead of you, would I not believe your claim? Why would I abandon my partner to yeet when I could have potentially saved her with your reveal? In addition, you sound like last ditch desperation to me but good story. Using your imagination! Well done, I'm seeing leaps and bounds improvement in your wolfing game.

You also haven't answered my question about if I wasn't a wolf who would the wolves be.
 
cubsrule4e said:
SARs answers have been much more thought out while Barks claims and defenses have been strictly generic
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Because a wolf would never put in the effort to have thought out responses right?
cubsrule4e said:
when she saw my post about my NKA she said "oh look! another explanation" instead of vehemently going into a detailed defense as I would expect from her as a villager.
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Uh probably because I saw it as an explanation that made sense so didn’t need to defend anything because it explained the no kill might :thinking:
cubsrule4e said:
Also SARs tunnel has been backed up by a lot of work and explanations.
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It’s weird to me that you keep using this as a reason it’s not SAR when a wolf would put in work?
cubsrule4e said:
And the coup de gras... the 🙄 react to Coops vote on her, which is essentially equivalent to a 😛 in posting terms. Sorry Bark-o 🙁
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I don’t even know what this means
 
Also I don’t know why it keeps being said that both of our ability claims can’t be true when I never denied that SAR blocked me. Because she did block me, I just don’t think she’s a village blocker
 
Barkley13 said:
Also I don’t know why it keeps being said that both of our ability claims can’t be true when I never denied that SAR blocked me. Because she did block me, I just don’t think she’s a village blocker
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Mainly because if they're both true there would need to be an alternate explanation and there's literally no other explanation at this point. There was no NK avoidance, this is such a small game that if you're both telling the truth there's not much room for more PR
 
Barkley13 said:
Because a wolf would never put in the effort to have thought out responses right?

Uh probably because I saw it as an explanation that made sense so didn’t need to defend anything because it explained the no kill might :thinking:

It’s weird to me that you keep using this as a reason it’s not SAR when a wolf would put in work?
I don’t even know what this means
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i guess you have already forgotten about my fun little emoji Barks wolfing theory. And I thought I was your new favorite, that makes me sad.
 
Coopah said:
So why, if theoretically I was a wolf instead of you, would I not believe your claim? Why would I abandon my partner to yeet when I could have potentially saved her with your reveal? In addition, you sound like last ditch desperation to me but good story. Using your imagination! Well done, I'm seeing leaps and bounds improvement in your wolfing game.

You also haven't answered my question about if I wasn't a wolf who would the wolves be.
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cubsrule4e said:
I still dont think its impossible that its SAR/Barks especially if they have coordinated their claims, but much less likely than I thought a day ago. Barks flipping wolf essentially clears SAR especially if it proves barks was lying about her role, which makes the other only possibility dubz. How does that square with your thoughts?
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your concentration is slipping coop. Getting too confused on all the different angles you’ve posted and can’t remember what happened and when? And since I have answered your question, answer mine about your role.

See, you just won’t let me peacefully let go of Sar/Coop 2020.
 
cubsrule4e said:
your concentration is slipping coop. Getting too confused on all the different angles you’ve posted and can’t remember what happened and when? And since I have answered your question, answer mine about your role.

See, you just won’t let me peacefully let go of Sar/Coop 2020.
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🙄🙄🙄 no cubs I simply misread that as one of your weird rambles. My mistake.

I'm vanilla, also going to the doctors again so I'll be out for a while.
 
Coopah said:
So why, if theoretically I was a wolf instead of you, would I not believe your claim? Why would I abandon my partner to yeet when I could have potentially saved her with your reveal? In addition, you sound like last ditch desperation to me but good story. Using your imagination! Well done, I'm seeing leaps and bounds improvement in your wolfing game.
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but also you didn't answer this part, k bye for a bit
 
cubsrule4e said:
who did you try to protect N1?
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I tried to protect you because when I read through the day I was more convinced of you being village. I originally had AM down but changed it because I was thinking the wolves might spare AM for a little bit because she had just modded and you lived to the end in the last game.
cubsrule4e said:
i guess you have already forgotten about my fun little emoji Barks wolfing theory. And I thought I was your new favorite, that makes me sad.
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Was that theory ever proved to be true though? Lol
And that was when you picked right at the end! 😛😛 (some emojis for you)
 
@WildZoo

would you fancy a SAR vote? I just can’t seem to let it go. I know you pointed out the no movement at deadline but I think wolves are always hesitant to move at the very end unless it’s early game with 4-5 where they can hide things.
 
cubsrule4e said:
@WildZoo

would you fancy a SAR vote? I just can’t seem to let it go. I know you pointed out the no movement at deadline but I think wolves are always hesitant to move at the very end unless it’s early game with 4-5 where they can hide things.
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*cough*wolf*cough* you realize that loses the game if SAR is village? Which you literally just had a whole post explaining why you thought that. If you're so convinced I'm a wolf vote me, but just backtracking isn't going to help you look village.
 
Coopah said:
*cough*wolf*cough* you realize that loses the game if SAR is village? Which you literally just had a whole post explaining why you thought that. If you're so convinced I'm a wolf vote me, but just backtracking isn't going to help you look village.
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And if barks is village the game ends too. And if you’re village then game ends too. What’s your point? Why are you trying to pull me to vote for you when that whole post was about voting sar?
 
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