Discouraging boyfriend?

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Also something else I'd like to mention (and once again, I SINCERELY appreciate everyone's advice, time, and effort) - when I first tried to break up with him, he told me everyone would know how "evil I was." Granted, it was poor planning on my part, because it was a few days before our anniversary, but at the time I thought it was beter to do it before than after.
You could break up with someone ON your anniversary if you needed to, and no one would call you "evil", especially in your situation. Another manipulation tactic to scare you back into submission.

@bme94 do you have a plan for the next steps you're going to take to get yourself away from him?
 
I think this has got to be a joke. I'm not even sure you can call that dating.

quick question- Does she know she's your girlfriend?
I think it's a joke you think you're in a position to judge my relationship based on 2-3 points I've made on a forum.
 
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If you leave me, you'll never find anyone else
Now that is interesting, because it reads to me like an attack on the behavior of overworking, rather than on the worthiness of the person themselves. Eg:

no other guys would put up with my study schedule like this for two years.

Now it's one thing to say "nobody else would ever love you, you're worthless and stupid." Clearly abuse. But take a statement like "Nobody will want to be close with you while you continue this uncontrolled drinking/drug use." Is this abusive?
 
Now that is interesting, because it reads to me like an attack on the behavior of overworking, rather than on the worthiness of the person themselves. Eg:



Now it's one thing to say "nobody else would ever love you, you're worthless and stupid." Clearly abuse. But take a statement like "Nobody will want to be close with you while you continue this uncontrolled drinking/drug use." Is this abusive?
Please get off of this thread. You are being very counterproductive and harmful to OP.
 
Ah, my mistake trying to learn about what I am missing here.
It's a lot of "little" things that together paint a very disturbing picture. In addition to suggesting others wouldn't want to put up with her study schedule (which is blatantly untrue considering how many pre-meds, medical students, and physicians are in long-lasting, healthy relationships), he's shouted at her, called her vile names, and even threatened to isolate her from others.

when I first tried to break up with him, he told me everyone would know how "evil I was.

That is extremely disturbing behavior.
 
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Ah, my mistake trying to learn about what I am missing here.

You're not trying to learn. Someone who was trying to learn would say "Hmm, people with both personal and professional experience are telling me I'm missing something. Maybe I should try to educate myself and not just keep trying to rebut what they say." You are not trying to learn, you are trying (very hard) to be right. To the point that you are almost bending over backwards to justify what this SO is saying and make it seem not so bad.

Edit- No one who wasn't trying very hard to justify that behavior (or simply "win" an internet discussion) would that statement -"You'll never find anyone else"- in the context it is given here and say "Ah, it's an attack on the behavior, not an attack on the person in an attempt to control him or her."
 
Ah, my mistake trying to learn about what I am missing here.
You're seriously comparing a drinking/drug problem to a fantastic work ethic..?

Her level of dedication is a very attractive quality to many people, it's just that the one she happens to be with doesn't appreciate that about her. Doesn't mean no one will.
 
I know you're trying to understand, but your last post was full of victim blaming...there are plenty of resources online that explain in detail what emotional abuse is, I suggest you do a little Google searching
I don't even think he's really trying to understand. Seems more like he's having fun playing devil's advocate/acting naive.

Edit: a little too harsh in my first post
 
I don't even think he's really trying to understand. Seems more like he's having fun playing devil's advocate/acting naive.

Edit: a little too harsh in my first post
I think you're right, and it's totally inappropriate for someone to try to get their Friday night kicks on a thread about a very, very serious topic
 
Sounds like you guys really want each other to succeed in life, and that's really great. I understand why they get upset also - it's hard to come to terms with the fact that your significant other is constantly busy. Yes, there are plenty of fish in the sea. But he's told me numerous times that no one would ever put up with my study schedule, and if I don't work things out with him, I'm never going to have another relationship.

To me that seems incredibly manipulative of him, I was not only pre-med, but a collegiate athlete at a Division 1 school. I was incredibly busy, but my gf understands my schedule and what I want to do with my life and we've both had to make sacrifices. Don't believe what he's telling you, there is someone out there that would love to be with you despite your crazy schedule.
 
You're not trying to learn. Someone who was trying to learn would say "Hmm, people with both personal and professional experience are telling me I'm missing something. Maybe I should try to educate myself and not just keep trying to rebut what they say." You are not trying to learn, you are trying (very hard) to be right. To the point that you are almost bending over backwards to justify what this SO is saying and make it seem not so bad.

Edit- No one who wasn't trying very hard to justify that behavior (or simply "win" an internet discussion) would that statement -"You'll never find anyone else"- in the context it is given here and say "Ah, it's an attack on the behavior, not an attack on the person in an attempt to control him or her."
The best way to learn the error of a position is to try to defend it and fail, for me at least. I apologize if I've upset you. It really did strike me as different than "you could never be worthwhile to anyone else."

You're seriously comparing a drinking/drug problem to a fantastic work ethic..?

Her level of dedication is a very attractive quality to many people, it's just that the one she happens to be with doesn't appreciate that about her. Doesn't mean no one will.
My example was meant to point out the difference between you are worthless and this behavior will drive people away, not to compare the severity or even say they're the same type.

I don't even think he's really trying to understand. Seems more like he's having fun playing devil's advocate/acting naive.

Edit: a little too harsh in my first post
I think you're right, and it's totally inappropriate for someone to try to get their Friday night kicks on a thread about a very, very serious topic
I suppose there's no way to convey it through a screen, but I'm not a troll. Its clear to me that there's consensus the guy is abusing her, and I'm trying to nail down what tips people off, since it didn't jump out at me. I am guilty of approaching as a skeptic to understand, sure, but whoever wants to call me genuinely a victim blamer or sadist is off the mark.
 
SDN has become Student Drama/Dating Network :naughty:

In all seriousness, sorry to hear your woes OP. @gyngyn said it concisely: dump your SO immediately. However, i found something troubling:

Just remember he had also said some very nasty things to me, calling me an "SOB" and a "selfish **". I would never say that to him, or anyone. Ever.
Also something else I'd like to mention (and once again, I SINCERELY appreciate everyone's advice, time, and effort) - when I first tried to break up with him, he told me everyone would know how "evil I was." Granted, it was poor planning on my part, because it was a few days before our anniversary, but at the time I thought it was beter to do it before than after.

That is not good. If you put up with him, you'll tolerate his abuses, as @rudyin78 said below.

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A TEXTBOOK DOMESTIC ABUSE SITUATION. GET OUT NOW!

I'm not saying that he will necessarily become physically abusive, but all of the domestic abuse cases that i've encountered (why did she stay? they were married for 15 years and no one knew. she was scared to leave. etc.etc.etc.) started out this way. A relationship in which someone uses guilt to manipulate, demands (in a disrespectful manner) that you put them before yourself, limits your potential, and all of the other things you mentioned is very likely to become an abusive one. If you don't feel comfortable being yourself and expressing your desires, you are already in an abusive relationship.

Please please please dump him immediately. This is a serious situation.

Please dump him for your health and wellbeing, and if he becomes aggressive, report him to the authorities.
 
If this is really the best way you learn, you're going to piss off a lot of people down the road in your professional life...
IRL I'm better at knowing when to shut up and agree because the smarter people said so, rather than because I've understood.
 
Hey girl,

I'm from the pre-vet side of SDN, but I meander through the pre-med sections because we don't have as much going on in our little area. I saw your post and read through the thread on your boyfriend situation and wanted to respond.

I just broke up with my boyfriend of 5 years in January because, in the end, you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of anyone else. The relationship I had with him wasn't perfect, but it was certainly better than what you have going on. We were long distance through all of undergrad and only physically were with one another one weekend a month (while also sharing time with family/other friends), then we were together for a year (though we still had to live with our parents), and then we have been long distance for six months. It just wasn't working because he didn't feel like I cared about the relationship.

That's the point I want to make: even in an okay (though quickly degrading) relationship, I still cut and ran from someone I love very much to be able to take care of myself. However, he and I were not in the same book series, let alone the same page. You and him are not on the same page and that's only going to make things worse and worse if these current attitudes continue. As someone who went through a recent breakup, I highly recommend breaking up as it will be the best option for both of you. Neither of you are happy (you're miserable by the sounds of it), and you need to focus on what you want to do. There's definitely nothing wrong with being single and you'd be surprised at how much relief you will feel afterwards. If you want to discuss this, I'll keep posting or am willing to PM.
 
Hi,

I'm in need of some serious advice. I am a pre-med major planning to take my MCAT during the summer and apply this cycle. I have been dating my boyfriend for two years. He's not a pre-med major. Everything was fine when I only had school to concentrate on. As soon as I started getting involved in research positions and volunteering, the relationship went downhill. He was always (and still is) getting upset/angry with me for how much I study. I do study a lot, but I don't know if it's any more than what the normal pre-med student would do.

He tells me I study way too much, and that he should be my number one priority because that's what decent human beings do - put significant others first before their schoolwork/career. I told him I'm trying to do as best as I can to balance him and schoolwork, and that medical school is my dream. He told me I'm not doing very good job, and there are tons of pre-med students that successfully balance school and relationships (I'm sure there are, but he really doesn't "know" anyone specifically). He gets super angry and has shouted at me before because we only see each other for two days a week, maybe for 4-5 hours at time. This a lot of time for me, and stresses me out. There was even one time where I was late to a date because I taking a 7 hour MCAT practice exam, and he got super angry and told me to not even bother showing up.

I've tried to get him to come to the library with me but he refuses, and that's it not quality time together. He's also hinted numerous times before that he'd rather I do something easier like optometry, so I'd have more time for him. He also tells me I'm wasting my life away studying...but I don't really mind studying so much.

What do I do? Has anyone else been in a stressful situation like this? Thanks.

Wow, thank you so much for your advice everyone. I've tried breaking up with him before - but he ended up convincing me that I would have plenty of time to study and date him.

Didn't read the other replies, but I'm sure they consisted of the same sentiment I'm going to express: Dump his sorry ass!

I can't believe you spend as much time with him as you do! 2 4-5 hour dates a week is 10 hours... You could be doing so many better things with those 10 hours. He should be lucky to get 2-3 hours once a week. He is obviously an unmotivated loser and his comments about your future are horrific. Please become independent and then laugh at him 10 years from now when you're making $300k per year and with someone who actually wants you to succeed.
 
Ah yes. There's no such thing as sexism anymore. Especially not in STEM! How could I be so foolish.

Sexism? WTF are you talking about? You're trying to incite outrage to push some bs agenda. You're foolish if you don't think women try to control men in relationships as well. It has nothing to do men vs. women. There are sh|tty men, and there are sh|tty women. You need to learn to deal with your everybodys-out-to-get-me issues.
 
He doesn't want you to go to medical school, he'd rather keep you in a cage. Your opportunity frightens him because he will have none. He feels small in the landscape of your dreams because he feels small in the eyes of the world, and he knows he won't find anybody as capable or desirable who gives him a second thought, so he resorts to smothering you with his childlike needs until you feel as small as he does. You didn't have this child, don't let it divert your plans that you've so carefully worked towards. It's a parasite, so remove it like one.

Here's what you should do: Call him - not on Skype, don't meet in person - call him on the telephone. You have the floor, so make sure he understands that he doesn't get a say. Breakups are not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. Tell him you don't want to date him anymore, and that he should get therapy. Dispose of every gift, minus valuables with utility greater valued than their sentiment. Delete his name from your phone, remove him from your Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. Delete every picture of him. Change the locks on your door and tell your friends and family that he's not welcome near you again.

When you've done all that you'll have time to begin the journey of recovering from this struggle, and don't worry - you can do this and go to med school.
 
You should dump him. You're clearly unhappy and neither of you seems willing to alter your behavior to fix the core issue here, so you need to break up.

That said, I have to agree with @efle that this doesn't scream abusive to me, but I'm not so quick to call abuse as most people in this thread are. Personally, I'm not comfortable calling someone an emotional abuser after reading a few posts on an internet thread, but that's just me.

I've certainly been in a relationship before where I felt my partner was being neglectful, and I do remember commenting that I felt no other reasonable gf would tolerate his behavior either. I didn't say it to be abusive, I said it out of frustration to emphasize that his behavior was the problem, not my reaction to it, and that I wasn't the one being unreasonable. I felt like he was blaming me for not tolerating neglectful behavior and I responded by stating that his behavior would be an issue in other relationships as well. I don't see much wrong with that.

I'm not blaming OP, but there does seem to be an issue here of OP seeing nothing wrong with her behavior and everything wrong with her partner's. I wouldn't be too pleased if my partner could only scrape up two four-hour shifts for me each week, either. You have to eat, so why don't you two ever have meals together? Do you ever spend the night together? Studying together was a great suggestion, but I don't blame him for wanting more out of a relationship than a study partner. It seems like you are prioritizing the important things in your life instead of balancing them. There should never be a ranking list between your S/O and whatever else is important to you, because it should all be important to you. In my last relationship, I remember telling my neglectful S/O that I would never make him choose between me and X/Y/Z, but he has chosen. From your partner's side, it doesn't feel good to be obviously put on the back burner, especially when he's feeling like he wouldn't do that to you.

He is obviously responding badly and that is an issue, and I'm not going to downplay that, but he isn't totally wrong for expecting more out of a relationship. Since you've decided you can't give him more, you need to be a respectful and end it. And when you end it, please do so appropriately and let him know that it's over (none of this crap about blocking him and never telling him he's now single).
 
Personally, I'm not comfortable calling someone an emotional abuser after reading a few posts on an internet thread, but that's just me.

Red flags being discussed on an Internet thread doesn't make them any less red. It's not like anybody has called the authorities or has started an effort to track this person down. But a lot of what is being described would make alarm bells go off for anybody with any significant amount of real-world experience with these types of situations. There's a time to see both sides and give the benefit of the doubt, to be sure - and on a discussion forum based on debate, I can see how it seems like what should be done. However, even based on the little, unconfirmable "evidence" we have here, for me this is not one of those times. Sometimes a problem needs to be named for what it is.
 
Red flags being discussed on an Internet thread doesn't make them any less red. It's not like anybody has called the authorities or has started an effort to track this person down. But a lot of what is being described would make alarm bells go off for anybody with any significant amount of real-world experience with these types of situations. There's a time to see both sides and give the benefit of the doubt, to be sure - and on a discussion forum based on debate, I can see how it seems like what should be done. However, even based on the little, unconfirmable "evidence" we have here, for me this is not one of those times. Sometimes a problem needs to be named for what it is.
I have plenty of real world experience with abusive relationships which is why I'm so hesitant to throw the word ''abuser'' around.

It's not the discussing of red flags on the internet that I'm wary of, it's the act of labeling comments/partners as abusive based on an emotional post, which can very easily be misinterpreted.
 
I have plenty of real world experience with abusive relationships which is why I'm so hesitant to throw the word ''abuser'' around.

It's not the discussing of red flags on the internet that I'm wary of, it's the act of labeling comments/partners as abusive based on an emotional post, which can very easily be misinterpreted.

I disagree that saying that a common sign of abuse, is a common sign of abuse, is "labeling," but fair enough.
 
I have plenty of real world experience with abusive relationships which is why I'm so hesitant to throw the word ''abuser'' around.

It's not the discussing of red flags on the internet that I'm wary of, it's the act of labeling comments/partners as abusive based on an emotional post, which can very easily be misinterpreted.

We can only give advice based on the information provided to us by OP, and it's not our place to speculate whether she may be completely truthful in her descriptions, partially biased, or flat out lying. We have to take her word for what's happened and give her the benefit of the doubt that she's described her situation clearly and objectively. If someone came to SDN and said "WAMC: 3.9 gpa, 516 MCAT, 2 pubs, great LOR's, 300 hours of volunteering," you wouldn't question the validity of the information they provided about themself; you'd take their word for it that the stats and descriptions they provided are accurate and objective. In fact, you should be even more willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt if they're in an unhealthy and potentially dangerous situation like the one OP describes.

And for the record, OP's posts haven't seemed particularly emotional to me, she appears to be quite level-headed actually.
 
Sexism? WTF are you talking about? You're trying to incite outrage to push some bs agenda. You're foolish if you don't think women try to control men in relationships as well. It has nothing to do men vs. women. There are sh|tty men, and there are sh|tty women. You need to learn to deal with your everybodys-out-to-get-me issues.

Everybody's-out-to-get-me issues? I don't know what that means in this context considering I'm a man. I grew up witnessing the effects of sexism in every environment whether it was school or work or social (it goes way beyond relationships), but by all means just act like there are no problems. I'm sure you think "being PC" is one of our biggest issues today.
 
You should dump him. You're clearly unhappy and neither of you seems willing to alter your behavior to fix the core issue here, so you need to break up.

That said, I have to agree with @efle that this doesn't scream abusive to me, but I'm not so quick to call abuse as most people in this thread are. Personally, I'm not comfortable calling someone an emotional abuser after reading a few posts on an internet thread, but that's just me.

I've certainly been in a relationship before where I felt my partner was being neglectful, and I do remember commenting that I felt no other reasonable gf would tolerate his behavior either. I didn't say it to be abusive, I said it out of frustration to emphasize that his behavior was the problem, not my reaction to it, and that I wasn't the one being unreasonable. I felt like he was blaming me for not tolerating neglectful behavior and I responded by stating that his behavior would be an issue in other relationships as well. I don't see much wrong with that.

I'm not blaming OP, but there does seem to be an issue here of OP seeing nothing wrong with her behavior and everything wrong with her partner's. I wouldn't be too pleased if my partner could only scrape up two four-hour shifts for me each week, either. You have to eat, so why don't you two ever have meals together? Do you ever spend the night together? Studying together was a great suggestion, but I don't blame him for wanting more out of a relationship than a study partner. It seems like you are prioritizing the important things in your life instead of balancing them. There should never be a ranking list between your S/O and whatever else is important to you, because it should all be important to you. In my last relationship, I remember telling my neglectful S/O that I would never make him choose between me and X/Y/Z, but he has chosen. From your partner's side, it doesn't feel good to be obviously put on the back burner, especially when he's feeling like he wouldn't do that to you.

He is obviously responding badly and that is an issue, and I'm not going to downplay that, but he isn't totally wrong for expecting more out of a relationship. Since you've decided you can't give him more, you need to be a respectful and end it. And when you end it, please do so appropriately and let him know that it's over (none of this crap about blocking him and never telling him he's now single).

Hi,

It is difficult determining exactly what qualifies as abuse and what does not. You may have a point in stating that it's my behavior is also problem. I never meant to imply that I was perfect or anything, and that nothing I was doing was wrong. That's why I came on here for help. I didn't know whether I was becoming to neurotic with studying (as my boyfriend basically said) or if I was studying the same amount as normal pre-med student would and it was just that my boyfriend wasn't handling it well.

Here's the thing - we both live at home. Our parents are extremely strict, and we don't get a lot of privacy either. I will be moving out this summer, however. And here's another thing - I never have stated to him "school is more important to me than you." I've ALWAYS emphasized and made sure he knows BOTH he and school are important to me. He's just wanted me to pick him as my top priority, but I don't see why I can just have both be equally important.

It's a sad situation really, because yesterday he broke down to me saying, "I just want to know you care. Pay more attention to me." :/
 
We can only give advice based on the information provided to us by OP, and it's not our place to speculate whether she may be completely truthful in her descriptions, partially biased, or flat out lying. We have to take her word for what's happened and give her the benefit of the doubt that she's described her situation clearly and objectively. If someone came to SDN and said "WAMC: 3.9 gpa, 516 MCAT, 2 pubs, great LOR's, 300 hours of volunteering," you wouldn't question the validity of the information they provided about themself; you'd take their word for it that the stats and descriptions they provided are accurate and objective. In fact, you should be even more willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt if they're in an unhealthy and potentially dangerous situation like the one OP describes.

And for the record, OP's posts haven't seemed particularly emotional to me, she appears to be quite level-headed actually.
Posting your stats doesn't leave much open for interpretation; you either have those numbers or you don't. Posting that your bf said something without much of any context is totally open to interpretation and I don't think it does anyone any good to jump to the conclusion that OP is being abused.

Does OP's boyfriend seem clingy and desperate to keep this relationship going? Sure. But abusive? Not really. Regardless, OP should leave him as they aren't happy and aren't willing to change their behavior.
 
We can only give advice based on the information provided to us by OP, and it's not our place to speculate whether she may be completely truthful in her descriptions, partially biased, or flat out lying. We have to take her word for what's happened and give her the benefit of the doubt that she's described her situation clearly and objectively. If someone came to SDN and said "WAMC: 3.9 gpa, 516 MCAT, 2 pubs, great LOR's, 300 hours of volunteering," you wouldn't question the validity of the information they provided about themself; you'd take their word for it that the stats and descriptions they provided are accurate and objective. In fact, you should be even more willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt if they're in an unhealthy and potentially dangerous situation like the one OP describes.

And for the record, OP's posts haven't seemed particularly emotional to me, she appears to be quite level-headed actually.

Hi,

I just wanted to say that I'm doing the best I can to give both sides of the story here, and understand both perspectives on this matter. I would never try to manipulate the truth. I don't think that does any good, and it doesn't lead to the issue being resolved. And thank you for saying that.
 
Didn't read the other replies, but I'm sure they consisted of the same sentiment I'm going to express: Dump his sorry ass!

I can't believe you spend as much time with him as you do! 2 4-5 hour dates a week is 10 hours... You could be doing so many better things with those 10 hours. He should be lucky to get 2-3 hours once a week. He is obviously an unmotivated loser and his comments about your future are horrific. Please become independent and then laugh at him 10 years from now when you're making $300k per year and with someone who actually wants you to succeed.

Hi,

Thanks for your advice. I didn't know of 10 hours a week was considered standard for a relationship, or if it was too little or too much. That's 10 hours we see each other in person. There also the phone calls, skype sessions, and texts.
 
Hi,

It is difficult determining exactly what qualifies as abuse and what does not. You may have a point in stating that it's my behavior is also problem. I never meant to imply that I was perfect or anything, and that nothing I was doing was wrong. That's why I came on here for help. I didn't know whether I was becoming to neurotic with studying (as my boyfriend basically said) or if I was studying the same amount as normal pre-med student would and it was just that my boyfriend wasn't handling it well.

Here's the thing - we both live at home. Our parents are extremely strict, and we don't get a lot of privacy either. I will be moving out this summer, however. And here's another thing - I never have stated to him "school is more important to me than you." I've ALWAYS emphasized and made sure he knows BOTH he and school are important to me. He's just wanted me to pick him as my top priority, but I don't see why I can just have both be equally important.

It's a sad situation really, because yesterday he broke down to me saying, "I just want to know you care. Pay more attention to me." :/
I really don't like giving relationship advice, especially on the Internet, but he clearly feels neglected. You can tell him until you're blue in the face that he's important but scheduling him into 4 hour blocks doesn't really support that. When I was in college, my bf and I were inseparable, so I have a hard time believing that 8 hours is all you can muster up. We find time for the things we enjoy. If you feel like you don't have time for him then that could be an indicator that you're just not that into the relationship.

His comments are out of line and he needs to learn how to express himself more appropriately. Instead of telling him he's being abusive, it would probably be more productive to tell him why his comments are hurtful and unfair but that you're trying to understand his perspective.
 
Hey girl,

I'm from the pre-vet side of SDN, but I meander through the pre-med sections because we don't have as much going on in our little area. I saw your post and read through the thread on your boyfriend situation and wanted to respond.

I just broke up with my boyfriend of 5 years in January because, in the end, you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of anyone else. The relationship I had with him wasn't perfect, but it was certainly better than what you have going on. We were long distance through all of undergrad and only physically were with one another one weekend a month (while also sharing time with family/other friends), then we were together for a year (though we still had to live with our parents), and then we have been long distance for six months. It just wasn't working because he didn't feel like I cared about the relationship.

That's the point I want to make: even in an okay (though quickly degrading) relationship, I still cut and ran from someone I love very much to be able to take care of myself. However, he and I were not in the same book series, let alone the same page. You and him are not on the same page and that's only going to make things worse and worse if these current attitudes continue. As someone who went through a recent breakup, I highly recommend breaking up as it will be the best option for both of you. Neither of you are happy (you're miserable by the sounds of it), and you need to focus on what you want to do. There's definitely nothing wrong with being single and you'd be surprised at how much relief you will feel afterwards. If you want to discuss this, I'll keep posting or am willing to PM.

Hi,

Haha, maybe the pre-vet side is a little less dramatic. I appreciate you telling me your story. I'm glad you saw you needed to take care of yourself first - that's what I've been trying to do. To my boyfriend, it comes across as extremely selfish and even heartless.
 
Also something else I'd like to mention (and once again, I SINCERELY appreciate everyone's advice, time, and effort) - when I first tried to break up with him, he told me everyone would know how "evil I was." Granted, it was poor planning on my part, because it was a few days before our anniversary, but at the time I thought it was beter to do it before than after.
Huge red flag. First: Do you want to be with someone who would tell others you are evil? Relationships are two way streets, and if you're having doubts now, it's only going to go downhill.

I get him wanting more time and attention. I also get you wanting to be a doctor. Frankly, I don't think any amount of hours is going to resolve this issue. It sounds like he's afraid of your ambition and goals, and is trying to drag you down instead of work with you to help you up.
 
Hi,

Thanks for your advice. I didn't know of 10 hours a week was considered standard for a relationship, or if it was too little or too much. That's 10 hours we see each other in person. There also the phone calls, skype sessions, and texts.
Uh yeah...2-3 hours each week is not ''lucky'' in a healthy relationship. When you're in a long term relationship not everything is a planned ''date'', but just spending time together is enough. I am fiercely independent (so much so that it's caused problems with family and previous boyfriends), and I would not stay in a relationship that only gave me 3 hours a week (unless it was long distance or some other unusual circumstance).
 
Hi,

Haha, maybe the pre-vet side is a little less dramatic. I appreciate you telling me your story. I'm glad you saw you needed to take care of yourself first - that's what I've been trying to do. To my boyfriend, it comes across as extremely selfish and even heartless.

Kind of a similar situation with me (though, again, not as extreme). I went to undergrad in Nebraska and he stayed in Colorado. We'll I didn't get into professional school my senior year so I moved back home. I got a job after taking about 3 weeks off of everything. My man didn't get a job for a year (nothing, not even Mickey D's). I reapplied, got waitlisted again. I was then offered a job at my undergrad to be residence hall director and I took it (salary of 26,500, don't have to pay rent or utilities, get the largest campus meal plan, amazing insurance, etc.). Offered bf to move with me (he finally got a job 2 months before I left), but he said no. Got here in August and finally, in October or November, he said to me over Skype that I care more about the money and job than our relationship because I was thinking I would stay in Nebraska if not accepted again mainly because we still couldn't move in together if I moved back. I'd drop to 20,000 a year without the benefits, which doesn't make sense. He told me that I wasn't thinking about "us", just "me". He never said that I was selfish, but I knew between the lines he thought I was. He finally told me he hoped I wouldn't get an interview (and by extension accepted to school) because it would make our plans harder to deal with. That's when I ended it.

When you're considering your own dreams and those of others, you have to be willing to compromise. I do believe that. If I was accepted, we were going to live halfway between my school and his job. I was totally willing to give up the ECs and stuff that come with vet school in order for us to both do what we want. However, the fact he wanted me to fail at my dream was unacceptable and at that point (to me), his needs took a backseat to mine. That meant that we had to break up as he was unwilling to continue in a long distance relationship.

You guys don't have the same goals. Your goal is med school. His goal is family. Though those two goals don't have to be mutually exclusive at all, it sounds like it is for you two as you guys don't have the same plans on how to meet both those goals. No matter what he says to you, I feel that you should break up. You just need to say your piece and be done. He isn't entitled to give you his opinion if you don't want it. You can literally call him, say, "I'm breaking up with you," and hang up. I wouldn't do it that way, but you're a different person than me as well.
 
Hi,

I just wanted to say that I'm doing the best I can to give both sides of the story here, and understand both perspectives on this matter. I would never try to manipulate the truth. I don't think that does any good, and it doesn't lead to the issue being resolved. And thank you for saying that.
I think his perspective is pretty clear. He wants more say in what you do with your time and he's resorting to questionable (at the very minimum) methods to express this. He even suggested that you alter your career plans for him. It'd be different if you were an utterly miserable pre-med who actually needed an alternative path.

Also, I'd like to point out that it's very difficult for us to comment on your schedule. We all work at different paces and have courses/majors/ECs that vary in difficulty and time commitment. If you want to go to med school, you gotta check those boxes, and can only work at your pace. It's possible that some adjustments could be made, but figuring that out takes time and it's usually better to err on the side of caution i.e. allotting more time for your academic tasks.
 
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OP, I'm sorry you're having to deal with all of this. I think the main question you need to ask yourself is, "Ten years down the road, do I picture myself married to this man?" If you can't, it's time to do both of you a favor and separate before you waste any more time. That's what relationships boil down to in essence right? You either break up or get married (in most cases).
And as a lot of people have already said, there are so many red flags popping up. I was with a guy for three years who ended up being really manipulative and emotionally abusive. It started with pretty much those same exact red flags. It may only be that your SO is feeling neglected or is worried and doesn't know how to express himself properly, but that tells me he needs to mature quite a bit. that can add a lot of stress to this already stressful time in your life. I hope everything works out for you!
 
Everybody's-out-to-get-me issues? I don't know what that means in this context considering I'm a man. I grew up witnessing the effects of sexism in every environment whether it was school or work or social (it goes way beyond relationships), but by all means just act like there are no problems. I'm sure you think "being PC" is one of our biggest issues today.

So you're denying that it doesn't happen the other way around also? Because that's all I was trying to point out, which you ignored instead to push your agenda. Yes, and you're absolutely correct. The attacks on the first amendment are one of the biggest issues today. Along with the second amendment. And the rest of the bill of rights. I'm sure you'd like to see the whole document shredded to pieces.
 
It's not the discussing of red flags on the internet that I'm wary of, it's the act of labeling comments/partners as abusive based on an emotional post, which can very easily be misinterpreted.
We aren't just casually deciding to label OP's boyfriend as an "emotional abuser". We are labeling him as such because he has displayed the clinical, psychology field-established red flag signs of an emotional abuser. There is no speculation of abuse when someone threatens you with "if you leave me, you won't find someone else, so you BETTER not leave". He is trapping her in the classic way emotional abusers trap their victims. I know words like "abusers" and "victims" carry a heavy connotation for physical violence, but we as future providers need to recognize the legitimacy of "invisible" abuse in the form of emotional, verbal, and psychological abuse. And OP has not been emotional about this at all, she's been quite rational, which is why I'm inclined to believe every word she has said.

Extra comment edit: OP's boyfriend isn't happy with the way he is being treated in the relationship right now. OP has pretty much stated that she is not willing to change her behavior (study less, change to an easier major, do everything to put him before her school work), and that she wants out of the relationship. But OP's boyfriend also isn't ok with her ending the relationship. So OP is in a trapped situation - she wants to leave, she isn't willing to give her boyfriend what he wants, but her boyfriend isn't willing to let her go despite this. He is trying to manipulate her into changing herself drastically to fit a mold she clearly doesn't want to be fit into. If he was a rational, healthy human being, he would realize she isn't changing, he can't make her change, and they should break up. But he refuses to let it go and bullies/manipulates OP into staying...I hope that gives a clearer picture of what OP has described over the past 4 pages.
 
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OP please don't delay, not even if he threatens violence or self-harm. Abusers classically do these things as strategies to keep their victims attached to them - don't be afraid to involve law enforcement if it does come to any sort of harassment.
 
This thread is getting ridiculous lol. OP's boyfriend, according to OP, is a selfish and clingy dingus, but that hardly makes him an abuser.

OP isn't trapped. She can leave as soon as she decides that's what she actually wants to do. She seems undecided (hence this thread and the previously failed attempt at ending it).
 
This thread is getting ridiculous lol. OP's boyfriend, according to OP, is a selfish and clingy dingus, but that hardly makes him an abuser.

OP isn't trapped. She can leave as soon as she decides that's what she actually wants to do. She seems undecided (hence this thread and the previously failed attempt at ending it).
You CLEARLY have not read this entire thread, she has been trying to leave and every time she tries he breaks her down and basically forces her to stay. She can't leave right now, she has tried. If you think OP's boyfriend's comments and behavior is normal in a relationship, even for a clingy selfish dingus (which the boyfriend is way more than just a clingy, selfish dingus), you might have a very misconstrued idea of how respect, boundaries, and communication are supposed to work in a healthy relationship. OP's relationship is not healthy, and it is 0% her fault that she hasn't been able to end it yet.
 
You CLEARLY have not read this entire thread, she has been trying to leave and every time she tries he breaks her down and basically forces her to stay. She can't leave right now, she has tried. If you think OP's boyfriend's comments and behavior is normal in a relationship, even for a clingy selfish dingus (which the boyfriend is way more than just a clingy, selfish dingus), you might have a very misconstrued idea of how respect, boundaries, and communication is supposed to work in a healthy relationship. OP's relationship is not healthy, and it is 0% her fault that she hasn't been able to end it yet.
lol quit diagnosing people based off a few Internet posts. My understanding of a healthy relationship is fine, given that I've been in one for years. I just disagree with your subjective assessment and (hasty) conclusions.
 
lol quit diagnosing people based off a few Internet posts. My understanding of a healthy relationship is fine, given that I've been in one for years. I just disagree with your subjective assessment and (hasty) conclusions.
Are you blind? We have linked to the signs of emotional abuse and OP's boyfriend fits the description like a glove. I'm really not sure why you're defending him, OP clearly needs to leave this relationship, and your posts have tons of reasons to make her doubt herself. Whether you want to believe he is an emotional abuser or just a ridiculous, clingy person, this relationship needs to end. I really don't understand why you're trying to counter everyone's attempts to encourage OP to find the inner strength she needs to up and leave this a**hole.
 
Also something else I'd like to mention (and once again, I SINCERELY appreciate everyone's advice, time, and effort) - when I first tried to break up with him, he told me everyone would know how "evil I was." Granted, it was poor planning on my part, because it was a few days before our anniversary, but at the time I thought it was beter to do it before than after.

OP, I was in a very similar situation as you before I went to med school, although in my case it was a gf as I am a guy. She pulled all the tricks in the book, the same kind of things your bf did. Once I tried to end it and she threatened to call her parents and tell them I was beating her. I called her bluff and she did and I gave in. Multiple other things like this happened. Eventually she ran off with some other dude a 1000 miles away, I guess hoping I would try to stop her. I didn't and that's how it's ended as I was so glad to see her go. Even though this was a long time ago, to this day I wish I had just stood up for myself and told her to go %^&* herself and kicked her out. Part of the reason I didn't do it was I didn't want her to think I was a bad guy. I learned a lot and don't put up with sh|t like that in relationships anymore. But you've still got a chance to tell this guy where to go before he ends it on his own terms. You just have to realize that, like you said, he's going to make you out to be some kind of monster. He's going to make up stories about you. He's going to tell his friends and family what a $&%*( you were. You've got to be ok with this. Because it doesn't matter what he thinks. Don't let that hold you back.
 
Are you blind? We have linked to the signs of emotional abuse and OP's boyfriend fits the description like a glove. I'm really not sure why you're defending him, OP clearly needs to leave this relationship, and your posts have tons of reasons to make her doubt herself. Whether you want to believe he is an emotional abuser or just a ridiculous, clingy person, this relationship needs to end. I really don't understand why you're trying to counter everyone's attempts to encourage OP to find the inner strength she needs to up and leave this a**hole.
I think you must be the one skipping posts, as mine have clearly stated that the OP needs to leave the relationship. And since when did calling someone a selfish clingy dingus count as defending them? Lol you must be confused.
 
Flee OP, as if from the plague. Your BF is toxic to your lifestyle, goals, career, and to you personally. Enough people on here have told you what you need to do, and now you need to take action yourself. We can only do so much over the internet. Do you have any close girlfriends/guyfriends? Look to them for support. If you need to have a friend in a car outside when you breakup, then do. If your literally can't do it in person, then do it over the phone and hang up when he tries to guilt-trip you. Whatever puts you in a position of confidence. Don't take **** from this guy - he doesn't deserve you.

Best of luck. You'll be happier when he's gone.
 
I think you must be the one skipping posts, as mine have clearly stated that the OP needs to leave the relationship lol
I never said you weren't telling her to leave him. But saying this: "I'm not blaming OP, but there does seem to be an issue here of OP seeing nothing wrong with her behavior and everything wrong with her partner's" sounds a lot like victim blaming and could make her backtrack and think that she is actually the one at fault. She already has expressed confusion over what is and isn't her fault. All I was trying to say is that OP doesn't need to hear anything that sounds even vaguely victim-blaming right now.
 
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