Discouraging boyfriend?

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OP isn't trapped. She can leave as soon as she decides that's what she actually wants to do. She seems undecided (hence this thread and the previously failed attempt at ending it).

People can be trapped in relationships emotionally just as much as they can physically with violence. The emotional abusers isolates the victim from his/her friends and family, controls who he/she sees and talks to, all in order to removes that person's sense/perspective of what is normal. Because an outsider can look at what's going on and say, hey that's f@sked up. Physical abusers do the same thing. Victims think getting physically beat up is ok because the abuser makes sure that any free time is not spent with anybody else. It is not just as easy as "deciding" to leave in these situations as you say. Partners who attempt to control what you do with your time are a huge red flag. That's how abuse, physical or emotional, starts. An abuser is not going to be happy with someone who wants to go to med school. Because that's a lot of time and outside social interaction they can't control.

OP, what do your friends and family think about this guy/situation?
 
People can be trapped in relationships emotionally just as much as they can physically with violence. The emotional abusers isolates the victim from his/her friends and family, controls who he/she sees and talks to, all in order to removes that person's sense/perspective of what is normal. Because an outsider can look at what's going on and say, hey that's f@sked up. Physical abusers do the same thing. Victims think getting physically beat up is ok because the abuser makes sure that any free time is not spent with anybody else. It is not just as easy as "deciding" to leave in these situations as you say. Partners who attempt to control what you do with your time are a huge red flag. That's how abuse, physical or emotional, starts. An abuser is not going to be happy with someone who wants to go to med school. Because that's a lot of time and outside social interaction they can't control.
I understand all of that. I just disagree with the hasty labeling of abuse here.
 
Hi,

Thanks for your advice. I didn't know of 10 hours a week was considered standard for a relationship, or if it was too little or too much. That's 10 hours we see each other in person. There also the phone calls, skype sessions, and texts.

The truth is that there is no standard as to how much time you have to spend together. I know couples who spend 20-30 hours a week together and are literally inseparable. Most of the time these people end up consumed and their grades and life suffers. I know others who see each other a few hours a week and it's perfect. You need to find someone who has the same idea as you.

For me personally, seeing someone briefly for a few hours once or twice a week is perfect and I need someone who thinks the same thing.

Everyone is different, but it's critical that both parties have the same expectation.

I sincerely hope everything works out for you 🙂
 
After rereading the OP posts I think there is more to this than she's sharing. Which is of course fine and definitely her business. But to be an effective Doctor you have to be strong and compassionate at the same time. She seems to be a person that can be easily swayed and over the top compassionate. She doesn't live with this guy and comes from a very strict family. I wonder if there are family issues playing into this whole saga. As a mom I would help my daughter get out of a toxic relationship. OP seems to have no support on that front. Maybe she does and just maybe OP is starting to believe what the idiot is telling her and is afraid for her social/personal future. OP you have been given great advice and support. READ it again and again and hopefully you'll make a good decision for you. Good luck.


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I understand all of that. I just disagree with the hasty labeling of abuse here.

Someone says that when they tried to leave, they were broken down emotionally to the point that they couldn't, and your conclusion is "OP can leave any time she wants?"

How about this label: You are wrong and you are victim blaming. You just are. In some misguided attempt to be impartial, or PC or whatever it is... Jesus. I hope you actually are right because if you've planted one seed of doubt or confusion in someone who's actually in a bad situation...

This is activating me because I have to work against this enough in real life, so I'm going to bow out of this thread and hope if OP needs help they get it. I've done all I can do here.
 
Someone says that when they tried to leave, they were broken down emotionally to the point that they couldn't, and your conclusion is "OP can leave any time she wants?"

How about this label: You are wrong and you are victim blaming. You just are. In some misguided attempt to be impartial, or PC or whatever it is... Jesus. I hope you actually are right because if you've planted one seed of doubt or confusion in someone who's actually in a bad situation...

This is activating me because I have to work against this enough in real life, so I'm going to bow out of this thread and hope if OP needs help they get it. I've done all I can do here.
The way "victim blaming" has been thrown around in this thread makes me believe the ones using that term don't fully understand what it means. No one is blaming the OP. I've already stated that his way of expressing himself is unacceptable, so no, I'm not blaming the OP. She doesn't deserve to be spoken to that way regardless of her behavior. See? No blame there.

I've conceded that he's behaved selfishly, he's been needy/clingy, and he's been an dingus. No one here seems to be able to concede that a lack of time devoted to a relationship could reasonably leave the partner feeling neglected. I'm not blaming her for his lashing out, which is on him completely, I'm just trying to understand the source of his frustration.

In addition to stating how unacceptable his behavior has been, I've also stated that she should end the relationship because their core issue will clearly not be resolved. Same conclusion that you've come to.

The need to paint this guy as evil is a little over the top. Viewing this situation as all-black or all-white is a completely superficial way of looking at this.

Edit: I especially love the hypocrisy here. We have posters in here vehemently bashing this guy because of how he's expressed himself, yet their own forms of expression have boiled down to "are you blind?" and "you are wrong. you just are".
 
OP, I'm sorry you're having to deal with all of this. I think the main question you need to ask yourself is, "Ten years down the road, do I picture myself married to this man?" If you can't, it's time to do both of you a favor and separate before you waste any more time. That's what relationships boil down to in essence right? You either break up or get married (in most cases).
And as a lot of people have already said, there are so many red flags popping up. I was with a guy for three years who ended up being really manipulative and emotionally abusive. It started with pretty much those same exact red flags. It may only be that your SO is feeling neglected or is worried and doesn't know how to express himself properly, but that tells me he needs to mature quite a bit. that can add a lot of stress to this already stressful time in your life. I hope everything works out for you!

I sincerely appreciate your concern and you sharing your story. I'm going to get the strength and end this for good. It's time. People on this thread have opened my eyes and have showed me that he is nothing but emotionally controlling and that there is a lack of maturity. I've worked extremely hard (as I'm sure everyone else has in my position) and I'm not going to let this one thing in my life ruin everything I have worked for.
 
Kind of a similar situation with me (though, again, not as extreme). I went to undergrad in Nebraska and he stayed in Colorado. We'll I didn't get into professional school my senior year so I moved back home. I got a job after taking about 3 weeks off of everything. My man didn't get a job for a year (nothing, not even Mickey D's). I reapplied, got waitlisted again. I was then offered a job at my undergrad to be residence hall director and I took it (salary of 26,500, don't have to pay rent or utilities, get the largest campus meal plan, amazing insurance, etc.). Offered bf to move with me (he finally got a job 2 months before I left), but he said no. Got here in August and finally, in October or November, he said to me over Skype that I care more about the money and job than our relationship because I was thinking I would stay in Nebraska if not accepted again mainly because we still couldn't move in together if I moved back. I'd drop to 20,000 a year without the benefits, which doesn't make sense. He told me that I wasn't thinking about "us", just "me". He never said that I was selfish, but I knew between the lines he thought I was. He finally told me he hoped I wouldn't get an interview (and by extension accepted to school) because it would make our plans harder to deal with. That's when I ended it.

When you're considering your own dreams and those of others, you have to be willing to compromise. I do believe that. If I was accepted, we were going to live halfway between my school and his job. I was totally willing to give up the ECs and stuff that come with vet school in order for us to both do what we want. However, the fact he wanted me to fail at my dream was unacceptable and at that point (to me), his needs took a backseat to mine. That meant that we had to break up as he was unwilling to continue in a long distance relationship.

You guys don't have the same goals. Your goal is med school. His goal is family. Though those two goals don't have to be mutually exclusive at all, it sounds like it is for you two as you guys don't have the same plans on how to meet both those goals. No matter what he says to you, I feel that you should break up. You just need to say your piece and be done. He isn't entitled to give you his opinion if you don't want it. You can literally call him, say, "I'm breaking up with you," and hang up. I wouldn't do it that way, but you're a different person than me as well.

Hi,

Thank you for sharing your story, it means a lot to me. I am so sorry that happened to you. It's good to know that I am not alone. It seems that compromise can be difficult in relationships, and if the other person is not willing to, you have to look out for yourself. We definitely don't have the same goals in mind, as you said.
 
You CLEARLY have not read this entire thread, she has been trying to leave and every time she tries he breaks her down and basically forces her to stay. She can't leave right now, she has tried. If you think OP's boyfriend's comments and behavior is normal in a relationship, even for a clingy selfish dingus (which the boyfriend is way more than just a clingy, selfish dingus), you might have a very misconstrued idea of how respect, boundaries, and communication are supposed to work in a healthy relationship. OP's relationship is not healthy, and it is 0% her fault that she hasn't been able to end it yet.

Thank you, I truly appreciate what you've been saying. That's exactly it. It's not a situation where I can leave easily. Thank you for understanding that.
 
No one here seems to be able to concede that a lack of time devoted to a relationship could reasonably leave the partner feeling neglected. I'm not blaming her for his lashing out, which is on him completely, I'm just trying to understand the source of his frustration.
No one is saying he is wrong for feeling neglected. Yeah, it is actually reasonable that he feels neglected, and its his right in the relationship to express those feelings. What everyone is so upset about is the way he is manipulating her into staying in the relationship despite her expressed desire to leave. That's the issue. As soon as the crazy, manipulative BS starts, the boyfriend's reasons for feeling neglected are moot. It would be different if he simply stated his feelings of neglect and OP continued to WANT to stay in the relationship, still neglecting him. She wants out, he won't let her leave. That's the real issue here, not what caused his feelings of neglect.
 
No one is saying he is wrong for feeling neglected. Yeah, it is actually reasonable that he feels neglected, and its his right in the relationship to express those feelings. What everyone is so upset about is the way he is manipulating her into staying in the relationship despite her expressed desire to leave. That's the issue. As soon as the crazy, manipulative BS starts, the boyfriend's reasons for feeling neglected are moot. It would be different if he simply stated his feelings of neglect and OP continued to WANT to stay in the relationship, still neglecting him. She wants out, he won't let her leave. That's the real issue here, not what caused his feelings of neglect.

He hasn't come to in a respectful way about how he feels neglected lately as you said. Even before all of this started happening, he's had angry outbursts. There were times when I wasn't wearing something he bought me, and he became very angry and drove off on me. I know it's in the past (as this was a very long time ago) but it still hurts me today. There also have been instances of name-calling in the past (hurtful) when I've made silly mistakes (like making a wrong turn somewhere)
 
He hasn't come to in a respectful way about how he feels neglected lately as you said. Even before all of this started happening, he's had angry outbursts. There were times when I wasn't wearing something he bought me, and he became very angry and drove off on me. I know it's in the past (as this was a very long time ago) but it still hurts me today. There also have been instances of name-calling in the past (hurtful) when I've made silly mistakes (like making a wrong turn somewhere)
I mentioned this in my earlier post, but do you have friends in your social circle that are aware of what you're going through, and can offer you support? If you do, you need to spend time talking with them and using them as a source of support - even moreso than using SDN.
 
He hasn't come to in a respectful way about how he feels neglected lately as you said. Even before all of this started happening, he's had angry outbursts. There were times when I wasn't wearing something he bought me, and he became very angry and drove off on me. I know it's in the past (as this was a very long time ago) but it still hurts me today. There also have been instances of name-calling in the past (hurtful) when I've made silly mistakes (like making a wrong turn somewhere)
I'm so sorry you've had to endure that kind of behavior. I'm glad you know recognize it as definitely not normal...no one should ever, ever blow up at you for not wearing something they bought you or making a silly mistake. I mean let's just call a spade a spade...that is defined by psychology/mental health non-profits as abusive behavior, plain and simple.
 
I mentioned this in my earlier post, but do you have friends in your social circle that are aware of what you're going through, and can offer you support? If you do, you need to spend time talking with them and using them as a source of support - even moreso than using SDN.
I agree, it's time to take this off of the internet and into the awareness of your parents and friends. I think we have done as much as we can do for you and now, regardless of how embarrassed you may feel by others knowing about your boyfriend's behavior, you are going to need their support leading up to and during your breakup.
 
I sincerely appreciate your concern and you sharing your story. I'm going to get the strength and end this for good. It's time. People on this thread have opened my eyes and have showed me that he is nothing but emotionally controlling and that there is a lack of maturity. I've worked extremely hard (as I'm sure everyone else has in my position) and I'm not going to let this one thing in my life ruin everything I have worked for.

Happy to see this
 
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I mentioned this in my earlier post, but do you have friends in your social circle that are aware of what you're going through, and can offer you support? If you do, you need to spend time talking with them and using them as a source of support - even moreso than using SDN.

I do, yes. They have mentioned what you guys have been mentioning. I came to SDN because I figured there would be more people in my position that may have gone through what I'm going through, as my friends have not gone through something like this and most of them are not pre-med majors. Honestly, I had absolutely no idea this thread was going to become so massive and involve so many people. I don't get a lot of replies to my posts in general here. I thought at MOST I would get 2 replies, maybe 3. I thank you for your support.
 
I agree, it's time to take this off of the internet and into the awareness of your parents and friends. I think we have done as much as we can do for you and now, regardless of how embarrassed you may feel by others knowing about your boyfriend's behavior, you are going to need their support leading up to and during your breakup.

Of course, I sincerely appreciate your help. As I said earlier, I had absolutely no idea that this thread was going to involve so many people and be this long. People generally don't respond to my posts about pre-med related things, so I thought this would be no different. I thought I would get maybe 3 replies at most. I have only told a couple of my friends because I have been embarrassed by this situation. But I'm not anymore. Thanks for all your help.
 
It can be hard not to, but don't be embarrassed. My ex-gf did many of the same things your boyfriend has been doing, and it just sucks. Glad you got people behind you. Breaking up is likely to carry some new challenges (him being a butthole), but they will be short-lived and the benefits of being away from someone so toxic are immense. Best of luck with everything.
 
Definitley some great advice on this thread. St. the end of the day, since neither of you are married ultimately you need to do what's best for you. I think you've come to that conclusion as well.

Like you said it would be a shame if your hard work went to waste because of one guy. You deserve better and I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors OP!🙂

Side note: SDN rocks! What a great community:soexcited:
 
OP if you do decide to dump this guy do it with lots of safety measures in place. I know you think he would never hurt you but you don't know what he'll do when he sees you walking away and not looking back! Good luck in whatever you decide.


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I think it's a joke you think you're in a position to judge my relationship based on 2-3 points I've made on a forum.

Sounds like a strong, passionate, love filled relationship. Nothing says love like eeking out 4 hours a week with your girlfriend of 4 years.

Are gifts equally spartan? "Oh thank you honey, a 12 pack of quilted northern and a refill for my swiffer sweeper."

What I'm getting at is that for any relationship that is a priority you will make time. I work 60-80+ hours per week and have 2 kids and we find much more alone time. Dude you're a college student with tons of free time. Think long and hard if this truly is a relationship you value.
 
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Sounds like a strong, passionate, love filled relationship. Nothing says love like eeking out 4 hours a week with your girlfriend of 4 years.

Are gifts equally spartan? "Oh thank you honey, a 12 pack of quilted northern and a refill for my swiffer sweeper."
You seem like a mean person.
 
Sounds like a strong, passionate, love filled relationship. Nothing says love like eeking out 4 hours a week with your girlfriend of 4 years.

Are gifts equally spartan? "Oh thank you honey, a 12 pack of quilted northern and a refill for my swiffer sweeper."

What I'm getting at is that for any relationship that is a priority you will make time. I work 60-80+ hours per week and have 2 kids and we find much more alone time. Dude you're a college student with tons of free time. Think long and hard if this truly is a relationship you value.
I'll tell you what, Instatewaiter, since you seem to be so concerned. If the relationship ever goes south, and I find myself in need of advice, I know where to find you. Deal?
 
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Wow, I wish my significant other was that understanding. It would mean the world to me if he did something like your boyfriend did (bringing food, lattes) but he's just not that kind of a person. It's hard, because I've been wanting to end it for a while, but he convinced me that no other guys would put up with my study schedule like this for two years. Even his family agreed with him...
of course they will take his side thats his family. Trust me there is someone out there for you who will love and support you. It took me a while to find the guy I am with right now, I spent a year and half single. I have had other boy friends that i just had to let go as painful as it is because neither one of us were happy. If you are clinging to this relationship solely because you are scared to be a lone or die a spinster. Worry not. There is time to find the guy of your dreams. If you have to fly solo for a while don't be scared. Take that time to find out who you are. To try new things and do what ever you want since there will be no one to worry about but yourself. There is nothing wrong with putting yourself first. If you won't who else will?
 
People come and go like leaves in the wind, but a medical degree will stand strong like a rooted tree. What I'm trying to say is, if this dude won't support you while you pursue your dream, then **** him.
 
People come and go like leaves in the wind, but a medical degree will stand strong like a rooted tree. What I'm trying to say is, if this dude won't support you while you pursue your dream, then **** him.

Yep, he could be killed in a car crash tomorrow. Then what are you left with? The only person who will 100% be there for you your entire life is you. Better make sure you've got something to offer yourself.
 
Didn't bother reading the whole thing but if he's complaining about how much you study in undergrad he's not going to be able to handle the time commitment in med school, clinicals and residency. It's just gonna get worse so do yourself and him a favor and find someone else who is more understanding of your situation.
 
You seem like a mean person.

Nope I just have foresight of many years on you young 'uns and can cut through bs with a knife. I would bet my house that any non-long distance relationship in college where you can't find more that 4 hours a week to spend together is probably not going to last. This is especially clear when you have gone through medical school and residency and know it gets so much worse. That one can't find more than 4 hours a week IN COLLEGE speaks to how he/she values the relationship.

Similarly with the op, if she can't find more than a few days a week and doesn't want to find more time, it just means that her studies are more important than the relationship. There isn't anything inherently wrong with that but staying in the relationship is unfair to her BF and herself. Add to that the fact that he is unsupportive and manipulative and the answer is so exceptionally obvious that all of the premeds on SDN who have a combined relationship experience of an adolescent teenager came to the same conclusion.
 
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