DO Match List Thread 2021

Burrell College of Osteopathic Medicine
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JimmyPage1969 said:
legitimately asking this, but how are schools allowed to have both an MD and DO program?
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Ever make something really good for dinner but have some leftovers and then combined it with some other leftovers to have an okay dinner later in the week? Same thing.
 
Kardio said:
Includes OMM on teeth
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Prehealth1011 said:
DO is just MD with some extra steps. Off topic but what I wanna know about is how the dual DMD/DO works at Nova. That is an odd combo
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It’s for OMFS. Or at least the couple classmates that I knew of in the DMD/DO were OMFS.
 
Ho0v-man said:
Ever make something really good for dinner but have some leftovers and then combined it with some other leftovers to have an okay dinner later in the week? Same thing.
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sunshinefl said:
It’s for OMFS. Or at least the couple classmates that I knew of in the DMD/DO were OMFS.
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To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
 
mwsapphire said:
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
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sunshinefl said:
Their med school part was abridged in some way. I don’t fully understand everything about it lol.
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but do they actually pay tuition for all 4 yrs? Huh. Only kids of millionaires can do OMFS I guess.
 
mwsapphire said:
but do they actually pay tuition for all 4 yrs? Huh. Only kids of millionaires can do OMFS I guess.
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I think in the case of my classmates, if I understood correctly, they got their dental degree first (?) and then they skipped M1 (?) and then they were doing a hybrid special M2/M3 simultaneously (?) and were already accepted into the OMFS residency (?)
 
mwsapphire said:
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
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The average OMFS salary is 500k, I know several that make over a million but they all work crazy hours. I remember reading somewhere that wisdom teeth removal is the highest reimbursed surgery for the time it takes (45 minutes). So yeah you pay for dental school and 3 years of medical school but most OMFS are able to pay it back very quickly.
 
mwsapphire said:
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
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One of the admins at U MN did dental school, then med school, then plastic surgery with a facial plastic surgery fellowship. He just needs a neurosurgery fellowship (I know not a thing) and he would be master of the head
 
drstranger said:
The average OMFS salary is 500k, I know several that make over a million but they all work crazy hours. I remember reading somewhere that wisdom teeth removal is the highest reimbursed surgery for the time it takes (45 minutes). So yeah you pay for dental school and 3 years of medical school but most OMFS are able to pay it back very quickly.
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I didn't realize OMFS surgeons where the people who took wisdom teeth out...I'm so dumb, I thought it was some kind of reconstructive/ cosmetic branch of facial surgery. I guess I never realized " Oral surgeon" is short for " OMF Surgeon" . I mean I guess it is good that some people take the risk, bc we do need OMF surgeons.
Cornfed101 said:
One of the admins at U MN did dental school, then med school, then plastic surgery with a facial plastic surgery fellowship. He just needs a neurosurgery fellowship (I know not a thing) and he would be master of the head
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Did he pay off his debt tho
 
mwsapphire said:
I didn't realize OMFS surgeons where the people who took wisdom teeth out...I'm so dumb, I thought it was some kind of reconstructive/ cosmetic branch of facial surgery. I guess I never realized " Oral surgeon" is short for " OMF Surgeon" . I mean I guess it is good that some people take the risk, bc we do need OMF surgeons.

Did he pay off his debt tho
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They do both Cosmetics are wisdom teeth both of which pay well. Wisdom teeth you get reimbursed from insurance, cosmetics will be a lot of out of pocket. But yeah lots of schools since you still have to do a residency, meaning 4 years undergrad 4 years dental 2/3 years medical 4 years for residency= 14/15 years post-secondary school...
 
drstranger said:
The average OMFS salary is 500k, I know several that make over a million but they all work crazy hours. I remember reading somewhere that wisdom teeth removal is the highest reimbursed surgery for the time it takes (45 minutes). So yeah you pay for dental school and 3 years of medical school but most OMFS are able to pay it back very quickly.
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Met an OMFS resident on his 3rd month of anesthesia rotation. Apparently they need to know how to intubate since it may be necessary in the clinic on rare occasions.

The soft tissue trauma cases that they do are life changing. Looking at postop photos and outcomes, you would've never guessed the severity of the wound they arrived with. A truly rewarding part of OMFS, while easily pulling in 500k+ but the trade off is unpredictable and long hours.
 
mwsapphire said:
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
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To the best of my knowledge, OMFS residents don't pay. They need to pay tuition or something, but at the same time, they receive a stipend or salary something which covers these fees kind like PhD candidates
 
Cornfed101 said:
One of the admins at U MN did dental school, then med school, then plastic surgery with a facial plastic surgery fellowship. He just needs a neurosurgery fellowship (I know not a thing) and he would be master of the head
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HoneyBadger3 said:
Met an OMFS resident on his 3rd month of anesthesia rotation. Apparently they need to know how to intubate since it may be necessary in the clinic on rare occasions.

The soft tissue trauma cases that they do are life changing. Looking at postop photos and outcomes, you would've never guessed the severity of the wound they arrived with. A truly rewarding part of OMFS, while easily pulling in 500k+ but the trade off is unpredictable and long hours.
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Last I knew, OMS residents were required to do 6 months of anesthesia training as they do procedures in their office under conscious sedation
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Last I knew, OMS residents were required to do 6 months of anesthesia training as they do procedures in their office under conscious sedation
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Not sure how it's spread out through the training but he was quite unhappy that he had to do 3 months of anesthesia consecutively. To be fair... anesthesia department was treating him very poorly.
 
mwsapphire said:
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
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It's like any other surgical sub, they're passionate about the field. What makes things even sweeter is that in private practice, you make more money than derm while working the same or even less hours. I'd consider it the best medical/dental specialty for maximizing lifestyle to money ratio (post-training, of course). Only downsides are that it's the most competitive dental specialty (match rate is like 50%) and the training is brutal (think GS/nsg).

What makes it less difficult than matching something like derm is that you get multiple tries (up to 6) for the CBSE (step 1 equivalent, which is their ticket into the field) and you can do a non-categorical internship (equivalent to a surgical prelim) to really increase your chances, which fields like ortho or nsg don't have.

You don't need to go to med school if you go the traditional, four year route (this pathway makes up about half of the programs in the nation), so you just end up paying for dental school and getting paid as a resident, just like us.
 
What are people's thoughts on DMU's match list?
 
RamsFan&FutureDO said:
Maybe they self selected out this class, but only 2 gen surg matches for them and all those TY years does not seem like a good outcome
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This. It’s the worst DMU list in a number of years.

Could be self selection, but when the quality across the board is weaker than previous years it does make you wonder if there was something else going on
 
DOVinciRobot said:
This. It’s the worst DMU list in a number of years.

Could be self selection, but when the quality across the board is weaker than previous years it does make you wonder if there was something else going on
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I heard that this year the residency match was really messy due to COVID due to virtual interviewing and clerkships getting messed with. That could maybe be the reason..
 
kdog024 said:
I heard that this year the residency match was really messy due to COVID due to virtual interviewing and clerkships getting messed with. That could maybe be the reason..
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I mean maybe. Other schools still didn’t appear to have the kind of drop off DMU had.
 
RIP💀 Hopefully, they resolve whatever happened this year, if something happened. I am an incoming DMU student lol.
 
kdog024 said:
RIP💀 Hopefully, they resolve whatever happened this year, if something happened. I am an incoming DMU student lol.
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There are 12 matched into Advanced PGY2 programs. There are only 3 matched into Transitional or Preliminary programs. I think DO graduates did not match as good as previous years due to the virtual interviews.
 
RamsFan&FutureDO said:
Maybe they self selected out this class, but only 2 gen surg matches for them and all those TY years does not seem like a good outcome
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Why do we need to measure how good a match list is based on the # of gen surgery matches!? A lot of people don’t want anything to do with gen surgery, there’s nothing flashy about gen surgery lol... the competitive people rather do something better and those that can match it still rather do something else like rads or anesthesia etc.. oh and I don’t mean this to be disrespectful to the field of gen surgery..
 
FutureDoctor5000 said:
Why do we need to measure how good a match list is based on the # of gen surgery matches!? A lot of people don’t want anything to do with gen surgery, there’s nothing flashy about gen surgery lol... the competitive people rather do something better and those that can match it still rather do something else like rads or anesthesia etc.. oh and I don’t mean this to be disrespectful to the field of gen surgery..
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It's my personal benchmark, take your ruffled feathers elsewhere
 
RamsFan&FutureDO said:
It's my personal benchmark, take your ruffled feathers elsewhere
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that doesnt mean it's a good metric. One of the smartest people in my class wants to go into Peds, doesnt change the fact that he's gonna be able to match at a good place.
 
Schwifty said:
They may have only had 2 GS, but they had 5 ortho so it was actually a good year
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right, which is why simply saying GS good isn't a particularly useful way of analyzing the quality of the match. For that matter, neither is how prestigious the matched institutions either, but thats a different discussion
 
FutureDoctor5000 said:
Why do we need to measure how good a match list is based on the # of gen surgery matches!? A lot of people don’t want anything to do with gen surgery, there’s nothing flashy about gen surgery lol... the competitive people rather do something better and those that can match it still rather do something else like rads or anesthesia etc.. oh and I don’t mean this to be disrespectful to the field of gen surgery..
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Schwifty said:
They may have only had 2 GS, but they had 5 ortho so it was actually a good year
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2 GS matches in a class that size is not a good number. It just isn’t. There are always a certain percentage interested. Either it was an extreme outlier in interest or something happened.

And 5 ortho isn’t impressive when you put it in the context that they typically have 10-15 apply annually.

Like I said, it could definitely be student interest, but the list as a whole does not hold up to years past IMHO, and if it was interest it is an outlier year for DMU interest wise.
 
DOVinciRobot said:
2 GS matches in a class that size is not a good number. It just isn’t. There are always a certain percentage interested. Either it was an extreme outlier in interest or something happened.

And 5 ortho isn’t impressive when you put it in the context that they typically have 10-15 apply annually.

Like I said, it could definitely be student interest, but the list as a whole does not hold up to years past IMHO, and if it was interest it is an outlier year for DMU interest wise.
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It might just be interest. ACOM had a similar trend. But our pre-soap match was the highest its ever been at 95% with placement at 99%. I've yet to talk to anyone in our class that has a stated interest in GS.
 
Why can't we judge a school's match list by number of competitive specialties AND prestige of match locations?
 
Just another reason why a match-list has very little to do with the strength of a school or students. Of the top 5 in my class only one of them wants something besides IM or FM. I feel like match rate and placement rate is the most valuable info you can take from a schools match, it shows how many people matched somewhere they wanted.
 
drstranger said:
Just another reason why a match-list has very little to do with the strength of a school or students. Of the top 5 in my class only one of them wants something besides IM or FM. I feel like match rate and placement rate is the most valuable info you can take from a schools match, it shows how many people matched somewhere they wanted.
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at the end of the day, the match rate is by far the most important criteria. no one cares how many pubs you have if you can't get a residency spot
 
DrZoidbergDO said:
at the end of the day, the match rate is by far the most important criteria. no one cares how many pubs you have if you can't get a residency spot
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The problem with this is that because a good match rate is in the high 90s, it only takes 5-10 students who are aiming too high or arnt listening to the schools advisers to mess the schools match rate up. Just because you match doesn't mean it was were you wanted.
 
VCOM-Auburn match list has been released. Has the names by the match so I don't want to post the list.

Orthopaedic surgery: 2
General surgery: 3
Anesthesiology: 8
Diagnostic Radiology: 3
PMR: 6
Psychiatry: 8
Dermatology: 1
OBGYN: 7
Radiation Oncology: 1
Pathology: 1
Neurology: 1
Internal Medicine: 31
Family Medicine: 45
Pediatrics: 13
Emergency Medicine: 15
Transitional: 5
 
jamaica jan sun princess said:
VCOM-Auburn match list has been released. Has the names by the match so I don't want to post the list.

Orthopaedic surgery: 2
General surgery: 3
Anesthesiology: 8
Diagnostic Radiology: 3
PMR: 6
Psychiatry: 8
Dermatology: 1
OBGYN: 7
Radiation Oncology: 1
Pathology: 1
Neurology: 1
Internal Medicine: 31
Family Medicine: 45
Pediatrics: 13
Emergency Medicine: 15
Transitional: 5
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you could just list the programs and specialty.
 
jamaica jan sun princess said:
VCOM-Auburn match list has been released. Has the names by the match so I don't want to post the list.

Orthopaedic surgery: 2
General surgery: 3
Anesthesiology: 8
Diagnostic Radiology: 3
PMR: 6
Psychiatry: 8
Dermatology: 1
OBGYN: 7
Radiation Oncology: 1
Pathology: 1
Neurology: 1
Internal Medicine: 31
Family Medicine: 45
Pediatrics: 13
Emergency Medicine: 15
Transitional: 5
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Yeah, just strip the names out and post the specialties and programs. If it's a pdf or word file you could always crop the names out if possible.
 

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