Donuts and Doughnuts WW - Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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You? Doing a reveal?? 😱

Not if I can avoid it. But we'll see how ****ed the wolves want to get.

 

[WildZoo]

Spoiler: Don't read this either, it's stupid

What if villagers are donuts and wolves are doughnuts

 

[Melchizedek]

Guys stop fighting, you're messing with my mel/AM pack theory

Honestly I’m feeling like a Genny/Cray pack because for everyone else I see village points but also wolf points but for those two I have a lot of null or feels.

 

[Animal Midwife]

TMI? Stop. You're talking just to talk now. I was wolf reading visc, and said you were wrong. How is that TMI? You're either purposely or mistakenly conflating things.

You said point blank that I cleared her for the wrong reason and was wrong. I assumed you had a guilty result on her. I'm now seeing that's not the case and I confused as to where both the confidence came from and why you're using that as a reason for me to be misyeeted.

Where did I say that? AM/Cray is also a possible pack, just not as likely.

The bolded.

Dubz/AM - possible. There's not a whole lot of early game interaction. I asked AM about a Dubz/mkg pack at one point and AM gave a non-commital read on Dubz, but focused on mkg instead (flipped village).

Dubz/Cray - Likely. Cray calls out Dubz on D1 in conjunction with Bob for Dubz's comment on bob. There's some back and forth here. Could be early distancing, but also looks like typical of Cray just gut reacting to posts. End of the day D3, Cray and Cubs were tied, Cray mentions she'd like a WZ flip but wasn't just going to move to WZ and move the tie around. WZ moves from Cray to Mel, relieving the Cray/Cubs tie with WZ at 2 votes. Cray doesn't vote WZ like she mentioned earlier, but makes a point to post about how she was thinking about it. Potentially distancing in case someone DID decide to flip that vote to WZ.

Any individual Cray evaluation is hard due to lack of thread presence, but she is in my POE re: Bob interactions.

Cray/AM - less likely. D1 Cray disagrees with Bob when Bob thinks AM's play is off. I've seen wolf!cray do this before when her packmate was under fire D1. But multiple times now Cray has mentioned she likes to sheep AM and blatantly so. IDK if wolf!cray would be that obvious.

Cray/Genny - really hard to interpret here, but I think unlikely. Genny asked Visc to vote at some point D2 and Cray said she liked that "push." The push wasn't strong enough to call a push, and that isolated post looks weird. Neither of them has been on much, I don't wolf read them individually, and as a pack its even harder due to lack of thread presence or big pushes. Cray seems to be sheeping people, Genny's only real contribution was bringing up WZ yesterday.

Dubz/Genny - Unlikely. They vote together D1 on me and D2 for mkg. There's been a few games where wolves have voted together early but I don't think thats the case here. Genny's half-hearted dubz push on D3 put Dubz at 2 when Cray and Cubs were tied at 3. Really risky move if they're packmates

Genny/AM - not very likely. AM made it a point to go after mkg for lowposting, and brought up genny to me and to chaos, so there shows some kind of consistency in logic there, but I can't tell why AM focused on voting mkg over genny in the pool of low posters. I just don't see motivation for Wolf!AM to purposely ask me and chaos to look closer at genny if they're packmates.


Edit: WZ moved from Cray to me, I originally had it the other way around, me to Cray.

I assumed "less likely" and "unlikely" meant you weren't seriously considering it. Unless this entire post is your POE?

 

[WildZoo]

Honestly I’m feeling like a Genny/Cray pack because for everyone else I see village points but also wolf points but for those two I have a lot of null or feels.

Second time today a genny/cray pack has been brought up and both times it felt like low-hanging fruit tbh

 

[WildZoo]

Honestly I’m feeling like a Genny/Cray pack because for everyone else I see village points but also wolf points but for those two I have a lot of null or feels.

What made you go from unlikely to in favor of this one?

 

[Melchizedek]

You said point blank that I cleared her for the wrong reason and was wrong. I assumed you had a guilty result on her. I'm now seeing that's not the case and I confused as to where both the confidence came from and why you're using that as a reason for me to be misyeeted.

The bolded.

I assumed "less likely" and "unlikely" meant you weren't seriously considering it. Unless this entire post is your POE?

The entire post is everyone on my POE. Its all to be considered, but I'm more concerned about the ones to the top.

What made you go from unlikely to in favor of this one?

low-posting paranoia. Like I said, I have village and scum points for everyone, but genny and cray I have little data on. If I voted here, it would be pure paranoia

 

[Animal Midwife]

The entire post is everyone on my POE. Its all to be considered, but I'm more concerned about the ones to the top.

So is this ranked a certain way then?

 

[Melchizedek]

So is this ranked a certain way then?

What part of “I’m more concerned about the ones at the top” don’t you get?

 

[Lawpy]

D5 Warm Doughnut Tally (version 5.1)

Mels (1) - WZ
WZ (1) - Mels

2/7 voting

Yeet close in ~7.5 hours

 

[Animal Midwife]

What part of “I’m more concerned about the ones at the top” don’t you get?

I'm just clarifying.

 

[Melchizedek]

I'm just clarifying.

I’m one more redundant, go-nowhere, almost-purposely-misleading question away from voting for you.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m one more redundant, go-nowhere, almost-purposely-misleading question away from voting for you.

Do you like these apples?

Yeet Mel

 

[Melchizedek]

Do you like these apples?

Yeet Mel

Yesss spicy AM

 

[WildZoo]

Wow now they're flirting

 

[Crayola227]

Village points for bob

This still really bothers me.

 

[Crayola227]

Where is Bob? Feels like he died but he didn't. Why is no one talking about Bob?

 

[WildZoo]

This still really bothers me.

It was a joke, get over it

 

[WildZoo]

Where is Bob? Feels like he died but he didn't. Why is no one talking about Bob?

He liked some stuff this morning but hasn't really posted, assumed he got busy. I haven't brought him up because he's one of my stronger village reads.

 

[Lawpy]

D5 Warm Doughnut Tally (version 5.2)

Mels (2) - WZ, AM
WZ (1) - Mels

3/7 voting

Yeet close in ~3.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

This is great

 

[Animal Midwife]

This is great

Want to play rock, paper, scissors?

 

[WildZoo]

Want to play rock, paper, scissors?

Sure

Spoiler: No cheating, don't open until you post

✂️

 

[WildZoo]

I'm tempted to move somewhere else just so I don't have to believe the rest of the village has abandoned the game

 

[Animal Midwife]

I won't quote since that auto shows me the spoiler.

Spoiler: My Choice

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[WildZoo]

I won't quote since that auto shows me the spoiler.

Spoiler: My Choice

paper

What's my prize?

 

[WildZoo]

unyeet mel yeet shorty

I believe this will reset the game

 

[Animal Midwife]

What's my prize?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

All 3 scenarios I am worried about.

Because it read as possible packmate defense vs pocket attempt.

And Bob wigged me out thr way he was joking with AM and possibly white knighting chaos

I see the shade you're tossing my way. Not feeling better about you.

Cray I couldn't care less how you feel about me d1, you're always wrong

Opportunitistic

Sus

### vote Vis###

I agree with Cheezit, which has me sketched out. Also want a contender besides losing Mel or Chaos D1. Sorry Visc.

This is throwback to D1 but when I reread D1 this stuck out again as what I didn't like. Seemed like flamethrowing sus everywhere with vague reasoning. I don't know if this is wolf behavior for her or would argue against her wolf meta. It does strike me as feeling off. She seems to tunnel on fewer people when I remember her being village. Not the best to go off of but we seem to be limited in this game.

 

[WildZoo]

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I LOVE IT

 

[WildZoo]

This is throwback to D1 but when I reread D1 this stuck out again as what I didn't like. Seemed like flamethrowing sus everywhere with vague reasoning. I don't know if this is wolf behavior for her or would argue against her wolf meta. It does strike me as feeling off. She seems to tunnel on fewer people when I remember her being village. Not the best to go off of but we seem to be limited in this game.

What do you think about my mel case?

Alternatively, how would you feel about yeeting shorty? Tot chat has not been contributing nearly enough this game.

 

[Lawpy]

D5 Warm Doughnut Tally (version 5.3)

Mels (1) - AM
WZ (1) - Mels
shorty (1) - WZ

3/7 voting

Yeet close in ~3 hours

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Is there a reason genny/Cray has been eliminated?

I don't like the fact that dubz forgot this combo bc both are pretty big wolf reads for me. Cray has been there and Genny worked her way down and been lowposting. I know at least one time that genny lowposted as wolf into a sub situation. This makes me even more nervous about her.

Don't be annoying, I already answered you. You've cleared people for NAI things before (like one vote for someone you thought is wolfy) and been wrong. At the time I said that, I thought you were wrong about Visc being village. You may have read visc right (assuming the protector claim is true), but Visc voting Chaos on D1 was a bad reason to village read her. Especially given how Chaos flipped. Why are you hyperfocused about that post? What is your analysis of why wolf!mel would have said that?


AM, Genny, Cray, and Dubz are my POE and here is the relational analysis for two-wolf pack combos. (Most likely to least likely)

Dubz/AM - possible. There's not a whole lot of early game interaction. I asked AM about a Dubz/mkg pack at one point and AM gave a non-commital read on Dubz, but focused on mkg instead (flipped village).

Dubz/Cray - Likely. Cray calls out Dubz on D1 in conjunction with Bob for Dubz's comment on bob. There's some back and forth here. Could be early distancing, but also looks like typical of Cray just gut reacting to posts. End of the day D3, Cray and Cubs were tied, Cray mentions she'd like a WZ flip but wasn't just going to move to WZ and move the tie around. WZ moves from Cray to Mel, relieving the Cray/Cubs tie with WZ at 2 votes. Cray doesn't vote WZ like she mentioned earlier, but makes a point to post about how she was thinking about it. Potentially distancing in case someone DID decide to flip that vote to WZ.

Any individual Cray evaluation is hard due to lack of thread presence, but she is in my POE re: Bob interactions.

Cray/AM - less likely. D1 Cray disagrees with Bob when Bob thinks AM's play is off. I've seen wolf!cray do this before when her packmate was under fire D1. But multiple times now Cray has mentioned she likes to sheep AM and blatantly so. IDK if wolf!cray would be that obvious.

Cray/Genny - really hard to interpret here, but I think unlikely. Genny asked Visc to vote at some point D2 and Cray said she liked that "push." The push wasn't strong enough to call a push, and that isolated post looks weird. Neither of them has been on much, I don't wolf read them individually, and as a pack its even harder due to lack of thread presence or big pushes. Cray seems to be sheeping people, Genny's only real contribution was bringing up WZ yesterday.

Dubz/Genny - Unlikely. They vote together D1 on me and D2 for mkg. There's been a few games where wolves have voted together early but I don't think thats the case here. Genny's half-hearted dubz push on D3 put Dubz at 2 when Cray and Cubs were tied at 3. Really risky move if they're packmates

Genny/AM - not very likely. AM made it a point to go after mkg for lowposting, and brought up genny to me and to chaos, so there shows some kind of consistency in logic there, but I can't tell why AM focused on voting mkg over genny in the pool of low posters. I just don't see motivation for Wolf!AM to purposely ask me and chaos to look closer at genny if they're packmates.


Edit: WZ moved from Cray to me, I originally had it the other way around, me to Cray.

I agree with the weird post of liking Genny's push when she has had little push or content or hunting

Not liking AM overlooking Genny lowposting, but agree about not being totally compatible. And likely would whip genny into doing more as a wolf.

I will say I'm not worried about being voted out today because I have an ace up my sleeve. I will say it if things start leaning towards misyeeting me though.

I don't feel like forcing AM to use this ace. I like the confidence and would like to wait until another day.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Honestly I’m feeling like a Genny/Cray pack because for everyone else I see village points but also wolf points but for those two I have a lot of null or feels.

I could see it

Second time today a genny/cray pack has been brought up and both times it felt like low-hanging fruit tbh

In a good way or bad way???

I'm just clarifying.

More deference than I am used to...... but it could be in here range of emotions 🙂

This still really bothers me.

Possible point. Possible pocket. But didn't follow through with it much.

I won't quote since that auto shows me the spoiler.

Spoiler: My Choice

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Lost on purpose to pocket

 

[WildZoo]

In a good way or bad way???

In a "wolf!mel is trying to distract me with lowposters" way

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Cray- just bad feelings

Mel- I could def buy as village, but lingering feeling that the grim reaper could be setting up our death. Mainly bc he seems to be jumping around with thought process and less organized.

Genny- low posts. Some bad and some normal. Not enough normal to even out other negatives.

Dubz- lots more effort and seems slightly better.

AM- worried but don't want her gone today or to reveal more (but I do worry about wolfpack having extra kill on N5 or whatever and giving someone enough rope to hang us)

Visc- seems village. After chaos run, I worry about this being copycat wolf, but seems too unlikely. Just a sign I am getting overly confused and I need to take things back to the basics.

Shorty- def tot

Cray seems like the place for me to land to keep it simple and not overthink it. Cray just seems like she could go with any as a packmate which is saying something. I will recheck and move vote if needed to avoid a tie

###yeet cray###

 

[BobLoblaw78]

In a "wolf!mel is trying to distract me with lowposters" way

That is what I thought

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Spoiler: Don't read this either, it's stupid

What if villagers are donuts and wolves are doughnuts

I am not putting any into this, buuuuuuut.... if a wolf does flip as doughnut and that is what Mel put....? The title does have the two spellings. I am worried that the stupid idea appeals to me 🙁

 

[WildZoo]

I am not putting any into this, buuuuuuut.... if a wolf does flip as doughnut and that is what Mel put....? The title does have the two spellings. I am worried that the stupid idea appeals to me 🙁

God that would be so dumb

 

[Animal Midwife]

That is what I thought

Could you explain what you mean by this since you're voting Cray?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

God that would be so dumb

I know! Wouldn’t it be awesome...

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Could you explain what you mean by this since you're voting Cray?

I meant that is what I thought SHE meant. That Mel is throwing out diversionary options to move the vote. NOT what I specifically thought.

Mel for me is riding D1 vote that doesn’t make sense as wolf and some good posts. But also has many I’m not sure sound like villageMel. Like I said, he often feels more focused than his current bouncing around

 

[Lawpy]

D5 Warm Doughnut Tally (version 5.4)

Mels (1) - AM
WZ (1) - Mels
shorty (1) - WZ
Cray (1) - bobs

4/7 voting

Yeet close in ~2 hours

 

[Melchizedek]

I am not putting any into this, buuuuuuut.... if a wolf does flip as doughnut and that is what Mel put....? The title does have the two spellings. I am worried that the stupid idea appeals to me 🙁

That’s what we call village code

but for the record my role says donut, I just refuse to use that incorrect spelling when referring to doughnuts.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

That’s what we call village code

but for the record my role says donut, I just refuse to use that incorrect spelling when referring to doughnuts.

Village code is what? Using write up info to determine affiliation? That’s why you can’t cut and paste any of the PM info? Or something else?

I knew after your rant on donuts, excuse me, doughnuts that you would’ve written it out the second way. Lol

 

[Melchizedek]

Village code is what? Using write up info to determine affiliation? That’s why you can’t cut and paste any of the PM info? Or something else?

I knew after your rant on donuts, excuse me, doughnuts that you would’ve written it out the second way. Lol

Village code is using the formatting/spelling/whatever of the role PM to determine affiliations under the assumption that village roles are coded differently from scum roles

 

[WildZoo]

Village code is what? Using write up info to determine affiliation? That’s why you can’t cut and paste any of the PM info? Or something else?

I knew after your rant on donuts, excuse me, doughnuts that you would’ve written it out the second way. Lol

The assumption that wolf and village role PMs would be formatted differently and trying to determine affiliation from that.

My comment was not so much meant to be village code as a (joking) mention of roles though.

Anyway...

Not gonna lie, I expected today to be a little more exciting

 

[Animal Midwife]

Would you believe that (even if I count dubz's vote) we're missing nearly half still?

 

[WildZoo]

Would you believe that (even if I count dubz's vote) we're missing nearly half still?

This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to yeet myself. I should have let myself die yesterday.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Would you believe that (even if I count dubz's vote) we're missing nearly half still?

With current layout... this doesn’t excite anyone so need to move something.

unyeet cray

Yeet dubz