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Crayola227 said:
The mechanics can be endless to account for this. Wolves didn't submit an action, wolves submitted an action but didn't format it properly, other reasons kills can fail. Maybe kills only have a percent chance of working. I know this is supposed to be basics, but it's Lawpy. This pack might be different, but unless Visc can self protect multiple nights in a row, and wolves have tested this theory, I don't know how she can still be alive right now if kills are straightforward (submit and if no mechanics block it, player dies).

It's game breaking if Visc can self protect multiple nights in a row. If I were wolf pack, after first failed kill due to protector, I'm submitting to kill the protector every single night barring nights I have reason to think the protector is self-protecting. I become obsessed with taking out the protector and no more no kill nights. Why have they left her and just focused elsewhere so many nights? That seems risky.
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To the second sentence… three times? I could maybe buy the percent chance of working theory, but no one has reported any wolfy actions on them and we’re at 20% wolf 80% village. Having only a percent chance of NK working, 20% ratio, and no wolf active abilities would be so village-sides even if we go with your assumption that there’s no village PRs. You’re reaching and the last sentence is so WIFOM
 
Crayola227 said:
How would we be letting Visc get away with fake protector claim? I'm not following you at all with almost anything you're saying.
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There is a protector in the game. 100%. If someone (fake) claims protector role for 3 days (visc) and the villager that is truly the protector (?) doesn't get them yeeted or tell the village about the fake claim, then they are hurting village big time. I don't believe a protector would let someone fake claim their role. And you can't even say that maybe they got taken out, bc we had so many ties and no NK's
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
So tell me what you think
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If I believe that Visc is protector and has blocked that many kills and managed to survive wolf attempts on her own life, and I believe that her protecting you on a no kill night means you're village, then this is now easy, and the pack is AM and genny.

Now, I recognize that if you and Visc are village, you are considering a pack made up of 2 of me, genny, and AM. If you guys are stuck on tunneling me, I'm going to have to appeal to your sensibilities and ask you to vote whoever you think is my partner and just agree to vote with you guys on that to try to prove my innocence and hopefully we can still win the game this way.
 
Crayola227 said:
Wait, how is the game silent yet you're positive there is a protector?

Did it ever occur to you, that I'm focused on Visc's claim and trying to be sure we're not falling for BS, because if we can clear Visc and you based on what you guys are claiming, then I know to vote for genny or AM for sure, and I've basically completely narrowed things down to the actual wolf pack????
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Good question. But I'm not giving more away than I already have

I have told you I am 100% sure there is a protector. Find the protector if it isn't visc and it isn't me. And it isn't the two wolves. You would have to assume visc is wolf for fake claim and AM is wolf for fake claim. That would leave you or genny. You haven't claimed it. And genny hasn't claimed it. And that supposed person allowed Visc to fake claim it for 3 days.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
There is a protector in the game. 100%. If someone (fake) claims protector role for 3 days (visc) and the villager that is truly the protector (?) doesn't get them yeeted or tell the village about the fake claim, then they are hurting village big time. I don't believe a protector would let someone fake claim their role. And you can't even say that maybe they got taken out, bc we had so many ties and no NK's
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We think it's lylo, right? So is there really a good reason for you not to tell us why you're certain there is a protector? Because being certain there is only one protector and they are village, would make it way easier to win the game for village.

I don't understand why you and Visc seem to be trying to coalesce on me rn.

The plan so far looks like we are voting genny, and I'm going to help, but when she flips wolf you just want to vote me next and lose the game? Cool.
 
Crayola227 said:
Dude, I said genny was sus.

But you got a lot of credit for supposedly wolf hunting so hard, and all I see is this ridiculous lame tunnel on me.

80% of tunnels on me when I'm village, come from wolves. Just the way that works. You're not gonna convince me otherwise or that I'm a wolf.

You can choose to try to help me figure out the wolves, or continue to show you're only interested in a misyeet and village loss today. Even if you were right about me and you flipped me wolf today, I would likely have a partner. So you should be interested in wolf hunting aside from me regardless, unless of course you're not really village.

That's cool if you think it's genny, but given that I know you're wrong on me, if your read on genny is in any way based on how you're reading me, then I'm even more worried you might be wrong.

So please explain how you've come to clear AM and Visc if I understand you right you think it's me and genny.
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Been trying to understand why wolf cray would be pushing Bob and I when it would be easy to just push the villager out of am/genny. I could see her feeling the EOD will be too unpredictable and wants to leave a confusing trail for tomorrow in case one wolf is yeeted. Not sure though.
 
Crayola227 said:
Bob, you're gonna see how silly like every single one of your assumptions about anything I've done this game is. Unless you're a wolf. But I don't fall for wolves' BS arguments about myself, see Pippy and Paws in past games.
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Well, I will have a good laugh at myself then!
 
Crayola227 said:
I'm willing to vote with Visc based on what we've discussed. Not sure what I think about AM essentially backing up Visc's claim, because if Bob isn't a wolf, and Visc isn't, then it's genny and AM.

##### vote genny #####
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Creating distance between packmate.
 
Viscernable said:
This question confused and frightened me before I saw Dubz was the NK but I get it now, she wanted to see if anyone else was somewhat cleared by being protected on a no kill night. Sadly no new data from that, I protected myself.
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I think they tried killing me consecutive nights and/or you. Then realized they couldn't so started picking less likely targets.
 
Crayola227 said:
This is ridiculous. Afraid to flip genny your wolf partner?? If you're so sure it's me and genny, you should have no qualms voting her. Unless you're worried it's gonna wreck your fake tunnel on me.
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80.49% of my evidence is on you with only 19.71% on genny. Plus, you have the good wolf PR.

There are 3 types of people...
 
Crayola227 said:
Without revealing anyone you protected that might help wolves make a NK choice tonight, can you reveal who you have protected so far this game? Or like make it clear who you protected on the no kill nights?
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Don't give them any more info! They are wondering whether you can protect on consecutive nights or if there is 2 protectors!
 
genny said:
Are you counterclaiming Vis? Because that is kind of huge.
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I am not counterclaiming vis.

I can now imagine wolfpack wondering so many different things all the nights NK didn't go through... if there is 2 protectors. Or another protector to be able to keep protecting the same person on consecutive nights. Protector plus PM coordination. If the game allows to self protect on consecutive nights (which would be "gamebreaking")
 
genny said:
I'm trying to figure out if there's an alternative reason for the blocked kills. If it's something you could have done, we kind of need to know that now. I'm not a wolf, so yeeting me probably ends the game unless Lawpy was really cruel and made someone lone wolf it. If Vis didn't block the kills, she could be lying about her protector role.
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I don't want to help wolfpack figure out how NK's are getting blocked anymore than what is already out there.

What are your thoughts on Cray?
 
Viscernable said:
Well this isn’t true because since I revealed there were kills two of three nights. Killed chaos, then attempted to kill me, then killed Dubz.
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You're correct. I didn't add myself in there as being tried on consecutive nights. In another post I put consecutive nights for you or me but I left it out on this one
 
Don't be sad, Vis. We still have time to vote in a bloc. I was hoping to rule that out needing to vote in order, but with the activity surge and genny not voting, I'm concerned this is what's happening.
 
Crayola227 said:
If I believe that Visc is protector and has blocked that many kills and managed to survive wolf attempts on her own life, and I believe that her protecting you on a no kill night means you're village, then this is now easy, and the pack is AM and genny.

Now, I recognize that if you and Visc are village, you are considering a pack made up of 2 of me, genny, and AM. If you guys are stuck on tunneling me, I'm going to have to appeal to your sensibilities and ask you to vote whoever you think is my partner and just agree to vote with you guys on that to try to prove my innocence and hopefully we can still win the game this way.
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That is really good logic and why I love to sheep a lot of your ideas. I am just not sure why you would flip your top 2 wolf reads with your top 2 village reads...
 
Animal Midwife said:
Okay, so we're at the two hour mark. I'm strongly considering an avoidance being a wolf PR. I feel like if there were a blocker, Vis would already be dead by now.
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Yep. Which means we need to protect well tonight. Which is why I don't want to give away any more information on how we are protecting so well. I also wouldn't give away PR claim such as avoidance for villager or anything else.
 
Crayola227 said:
We think it's lylo, right? So is there really a good reason for you not to tell us why you're certain there is a protector? Because being certain there is only one protector and they are village, would make it way easier to win the game for village.

I don't understand why you and Visc seem to be trying to coalesce on me rn.

The plan so far looks like we are voting genny, and I'm going to help, but when she flips wolf you just want to vote me next and lose the game? Cool.
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I don't want to give wolves an increased chance of picking the correct NK tonight or tomorrow. There is only 33% of them getting it right, but the wrong info could increase it to 50%
 
Crayola227 said:
We think it's lylo, right? So is there really a good reason for you not to tell us why you're certain there is a protector? Because being certain there is only one protector and they are village, would make it way easier to win the game for village.

I don't understand why you and Visc seem to be trying to coalesce on me rn.

The plan so far looks like we are voting genny, and I'm going to help, but when she flips wolf you just want to vote me next and lose the game? Cool.
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I think one of the two wolves (or both) have a PR. Do you think genny has the PR for wolves and would be lying this low?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
80.49% of my evidence is on you with only 19.71% on genny. Plus, you have the good wolf PR.

There are 3 types of people...
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Now I'm really wondering where you're getting your info that you're so sure I have a PR.

You're now starting to be so wrong about so much, that it calls everything else you've said into question.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
You're correct. I didn't add myself in there as being tried on consecutive nights. In another post I put consecutive nights for you or me but I left it out on this one
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How do you know they tried to kill you two nights in a row? How do you know anything? I thought you said you got no notifications.

Also have any PRs flipped?

Finding it hard to believe AM's claim or that there are 2 protectors.

AM has waited long enough to see that I will be the misyeet to hand she and genny the win tonight.

Unless it's Visc and Bob, but see that as less likely.

I have other stuff I need to do tonight and losing time to do it.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm on Cray. It's genny that I'm worried has the avoidance.
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Yeah. My post order is all wonky.

I hope that genny would play more if she had a wolf PR. But if it is avoidance, we honestly want to pick them tomorrow night. That way we have more chances to protect.

(if we pick the one with avoidance tonight, they can end it with NK. If we pick the one without avoidance tonight, they can NK and we still go again tomorrow)
 
Crayola227 said:
Now I'm really wondering where you're getting your info that you're so sure I have a PR.

You're now starting to be so wrong about so much, that it calls everything else you've said into question.
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I am guessing you have the PR based on the fact I hope/think genny would play more/post more with wolf PR.

I think you are wanting people to doubt. Bc you don't think I am wrong that you are wolf, but you think that I am wrong bc you are wolf PR....
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Yeah. My post order is all wonky.

I hope that genny would play more if she had a wolf PR. But if it is avoidance, we honestly want to pick them tomorrow night. That way we have more chances to protect.

(if we pick the one with avoidance tonight, they can end it with NK. If we pick the one without avoidance tonight, they can NK and we still go again tomorrow)
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Even if the protection were to miss, it'd be no worse than yolo again since it'd be f3.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
That is really good logic and why I love to sheep a lot of your ideas. I am just not sure why you would flip your top 2 wolf reads with your top 2 village reads...
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Because I can either be paranoid we swallowed a wolf plot/lie, and it's you and Visc, or I can believe Visc is telling the truth and you by extension and then it's AM and genny.

I don't have reason to clear genny and AM. I have reason to clear you and Visc. Granted, it's not foolproof and I hate making clears on principle, but we don't have time to yeet you or Visc to prove you're lying or telling the truth. Gonna have to take a leap of faith.

And at the end of the day, regardless of anything I think, I know if I die we lose. So I need to be willing to work with anyone that is willing to consolidate elsewhere, and just hope that ends up being villagers and that the wolves aren't ready to give up on winning the game on my misyeet.
 
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