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[ResoluteMike]

That is a risk that I'm trying to explore. I think that it likely always goes to a Dragon and/or a Rider.

I would doubt that either of those roles would be wolves, certainly to start. I'm not clear on whether we are dealing with a game where all the wolves are bad guys from the start, or a game where there could be some element of conversion. The latter possibility makes extending trust a greater risk, and complicates the decision about tithing, and whether it is a good thing or not.

Don't equate dragon rider with good guy. They can be right b******'s just like anyone else.

 

[Skimble]

I find it interesting that Telgar hold is the one being singled out. Guis had an attempt N1, then they got MQ last night.

I agree with this, which is why I voted for someone from telgar yesterday. Now that MQ is dead and was the protector, I wonder if they assumed since Guis was protected that someone in telgar was also likely the protector.

 

[Kam325]

I find it interesting that Telgar hold is the one being singled out. Guis had an attempt N1, then they got MQ last night.

We talked about it a bit in our group PM. Could be there aren't any wolves in our group so they feel safe drawing attention to it killing here twice. Could be they got lucky and seered MQ early. Could be one of their more important wolves is here, and they're trying to kill off players who would investigate fellow group members first. Last seems less likely to me since the fact that we're even having this conversation illustrates how that would draw the attention they wanted to deflect in the first place. Feels kind of wifomy to me, ultimately.

 

[Promethean]

I am leaning toward thinking this is the case. If there were immediate consequences, I think it would defeat the purpose of being able to PM the mods secretly and say you don't actually want to tithe, because then everyone would know that happened.

If there is a player who received a tithe previously, who does not get one after someone in their group says that they sent it, that would also help to unmask sabotage. Of course, there are other explanations. That scenario could also indicate more than one person in a Hold who can receive a tithe, or that tithes are somehow being pooled and distributed to players in other Holds. A discernible pattern will eventually emerge to elucidate these unknowns... assuming enough villagers live long enough to observe it.

 

[Lupin21]

I agree with this, which is why I voted for someone from telgar yesterday. Now that MQ is dead and was the protector, I wonder if they assumed since Guis was protected that someone in telgar was also likely the protector.

Could be. With no individual PMs allowed in the holds, damn lucky guess for it to be MQ.

 

[Kam325]

We talked about it a bit in our group PM. Could be there aren't any wolves in our group so they feel safe drawing attention to it killing here twice. Could be they got lucky and seered MQ early. Could be one of their more important wolves is here, and they're trying to kill off players who would investigate fellow group members first. Last seems less likely to me since the fact that we're even having this conversation illustrates how that would draw the attention they wanted to deflect in the first place. Feels kind of wifomy to me, ultimately.

Actually, Jilary's guess makes the most sense to me.

 

[DVMDream]

Yeah, I'm clearly know nothing about this theme. I'm going to have to do some reading then attempt to join the conversation. Most likely will just come back with a crap ton of questions.

 

[Lupin21]

If there is a player who received a tithe previously, who does not get one after someone in their group says that they sent it, that would also help to unmask sabotage. Of course, there are other explanations. That scenario could also indicate more than one person in a Hold who can receive a tithe, or that tithes are somehow being pooled and distributed to players in other Holds. A discernible pattern will eventually emerge to elucidate these unknowns... assuming enough villagers live long enough to observe it.

I almost wonder if the tithes are indeed pooled then either randomly assigned or are purposefully distributed by the leader's through out the game. That would potentially be a good way to track though as if there is a power abused, the person who handed it out would know instantly.

 

[ResoluteMike]

Yeah, I'm clearly know nothing about this theme. I'm going to have to do some reading then attempt to join the conversation. Most likely will just come back with a crap ton of questions.

Read Dragonsong. The fire lizards aren't quite as awesome as Toothless, but I could see you building a veterinary practice around them.

 

[Kam325]

It's sounding to me like everyone's assuming the tithed abilities are passed unmolested to another player for use---that's not how I read the mechanic. I initially read it as---the choice to tithe or not tithe is simply the checking of a box. There's a toll to pay to check the box, and it can be paid by sacrificing anyone's ability. Once checked, it counts as a tally toward some larger goal. Maybe when thread falls, the riders need so many tithes in order to protect their hold. Maybe they need to receive a certain number of tithes to stay alive or retain their voting powers or abilities. I don't know that I'm on board the idea that the sacrificed ability gets immediately handed off to someone else--that's effectively a form of seering (if tithes aren't redistributed randomly).

 

[Promethean]

Yeah, I'm clearly know nothing about this theme. I'm going to have to do some reading then attempt to join the conversation. Most likely will just come back with a crap ton of questions.

Wikipedia makes for a nice overview. Your specific character may be better explored through wikia, since they are more in depth and fandom oriented. Or, you know, read the books, but that is many more hours of investment.

 

[Lupin21]

It's sounding to me like everyone's assuming the tithed abilities are passed unmolested to another player for use---that's not how I read the mechanic. I initially read it as---the choice to tithe or not tithe is simply the checking of a box. There's a toll to pay to check the box, and it can be paid by sacrificing anyone's ability. Once checked, it counts as a tally toward some larger goal. Maybe when thread falls, the riders need so many tithes in order to protect their hold. Maybe they need to receive a certain number of tithes to stay alive or retain their voting powers or abilities. I don't know that I'm on board the idea that the sacrificed ability gets immediately handed off to someone else--that's effectively a form of seering (if tithes aren't redistributed randomly).

Yeah, I that's why I think they may be pooled at least. Not necessarily all of them go to someone that night, but are collected for distribution.

 

[Promethean]

It's sounding to me like everyone's assuming the tithed abilities are passed unmolested to another player for use---that's not how I read the mechanic. I initially read it as---the choice to tithe or not tithe is simply the checking of a box. There's a toll to pay to check the box, and it can be paid by sacrificing anyone's ability. Once checked, it counts as a tally toward some larger goal. Maybe when thread falls, the riders need so many tithes in order to protect their hold. Maybe they need to receive a certain number of tithes to stay alive or retain their voting powers or abilities. I don't know that I'm on board the idea that the sacrificed ability gets immediately handed off to someone else--that's effectively a form of seering (if tithes aren't redistributed randomly).

I did get the impression that the recipient was being granted the tithed ability, unchanged. I read it as them donating their ability to another to use. Which alone, doesn't seem very purposeful or efficient, unless there is some additional effect in the event of Threadfall. If that is the case, again, a couple of rounds should make that evident, at least to some players. It still wouldn't answer whether there was some redistribution. That would be made more clear if the same player donates more than once, if anyone were able to observe whether the effects of such a donation were the same each time.

If it works like you suggest, where tithes are just anonymous credits going into a bank for use in certain conditions, then my guesses about game dynamics are no good at all. I'm not sure that I like that, on an emotional level. I'm really attached to my model of how the back end must work, but that kind of attachment can be blinding. I will take a little time and think about the implications of what you are proposing. I don't want to dismiss the idea just because I didn't come up with it myself.

 

[Filly Bay]

I wouldn't be surprised if the tithe abilities to go dragons/riders based on what I've heard about the story so far but I doubt it specifically goes to the same group. You'd be able to figure out all of your groups abilites pretty fast. I think its more likely they are randomly distributed among dragon/rider types

 

[dyachei]

Dy here and in her next post admitting a grudge completely unrelated to the current game. A very prime example of retaliatory voting.
This is also 11 minutes before close. Again, stated as a bad idea multiple times in this thread.

I always love it when people assume to know what I'm thinking.

I don't like your playstyle. I don't like how you think it's a tell to say that you are a villager. I don't think you're a very valuable player when you do things like that. I certainly don't think it's valuable when everything you do is based off a grudge. So yeah, I'd rather vote you than html, which is what I stated.

OMG the crap level is SO deep.

She most certainly did not "admit a grudge". I can't say what she meant because I can't read her mind, but nowhere did she say "I'm voting for LotF because of grudge." I read it as voting for you because she doesn't like your play style and finds that it hurts villagers more than it helps, or because she finds your passive aggressiveness tends to make it less enjoyable for her, or ... any number of other reasons. Nothing to do with 'grudge'. You putting those words in her mouth says a lot.

Gee, it's almost as if LIS understands my motivations because he actually knows me instead of making assumptions.

I know you don't agree, but I would rather have a throw away vote than vote for someone who has no evidence of being a wolf. I knew you wouldn't get lynched, and I didn't want to vote for htlm or anyone with more votes because I don't know who's suspicious and who's not. As someone who has gotten bandwagoned on the first day a few games in the past, I really try to stay away from it, especially when the player isn't around to defend themselves.

throw-away votes are wolfy. Just an FYI. Speaks to me as someone who doesn't want to "look" wolfy if a villager dies so they toss their vote elsewhere. Only changes if they give good reasoning for their vote, which you didn't.

Sorry this is my fault. I went from memory that there was a supreme vote on me when I wrote it and assumed it was because someone from my hold voted for me... I was wrong, either way I had meant to go back and correct it before posting but got bogged down in the rest of the post and forgot.

As far as the rest... aren't you one of the ones that normally argues against the last 10 minute lead switch because it yields so much less info, in part, because of a lack of defense?

With Dy, I may be reading too much into it, but based on wording of her posts around her lynch vote, I don't think so. I am willing to wait and see what happens to reevaluate if I was wrong.

For the most part, the people who voted late for me voted in all the ways that they normally rail against. At the least I find it suspicious. And frequently, people who get very argumentative and try to cover uncharacteristic behavior with real or bluffed anger have turned out to be wolves. In this case, I have a clue where else it could be coming from so I am trying to tease apart these post patterns to see if they are game related or not. As the focus here, I have less leverage than someone else, but I am also the only tool I can rely on to probe efficiently where I intend to look.

I don't care if you normally rail against me or not.

But this crap right here? Distracts from the game and allows wolves to slip past. So I still think getting rid of you is more beneficial than not for the village.

lynch lotf

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Lynch Tally
kata 1 (Kam)
lotf 1 (Dy)

2/25 votes
Deadline 10PM CST/11PM EST

 

[hazelmoo]

I always love it when people assume to know what I'm thinking.

I don't like your playstyle. I don't like how you think it's a tell to say that you are a villager. I don't think you're a very valuable player when you do things like that. I certainly don't think it's valuable when everything you do is based off a grudge. So yeah, I'd rather vote you than html, which is what I stated.


Gee, it's almost as if LIS understands my motivations because he actually knows me instead of making assumptions.



throw-away votes are wolfy. Just an FYI. Speaks to me as someone who doesn't want to "look" wolfy if a villager dies so they toss their vote elsewhere. Only changes if they give good reasoning for their vote, which you didn't.



I don't care if you normally rail against me or not.

But this crap right here? Distracts from the game and allows wolves to slip past. So I still think getting rid of you is more beneficial than not for the village.

lynch lotf

Throw away votes are wolfy, bandwagoning is wolfy, can anyone do anything right on first day voting??

 

[dyachei]

Throw away votes are wolfy, bandwagoning is wolfy, can anyone do anything right on first day voting??

bandwagoning "can" be wolfy. But not necessarily.

If you have a reason to vote outside the wagon, it's not wolfy. but throwing away a vote to throw away a vote is something wolves do.

villagers typically use votes as their weapon.

 

[hazelmoo]

bandwagoning "can" be wolfy. But not necessarily.

If you have a reason to vote outside the wagon, it's not wolfy. but throwing away a vote to throw away a vote is something wolves do.

villagers typically use votes as their weapon.

I understand, but on the first day? When no one knows anything?

 

[dyachei]

I understand, but on the first day? When no one knows anything?

yes.

because you should be able to start a conversation.

This was the entire point of my last game. so that people would stop saying they don't have anything and lynch wherever.

If you pressure a player, you'll get a decent feel for how they defend themselves. If you throw your vote away, you lose that opportunity

 

[Kam325]

Throw away votes are wolfy, bandwagoning is wolfy, can anyone do anything right on first day voting??

I actually don't think bandwagoning is wolfy for first day votes, as long as people check in throughout the day and are willing to make changes. Someone has to get lynched, and with votes spread all over, it's hard for anyone to know whether or not they need to defend until it gets down to the wire and things get chaotic. If you put multiple votes on one person early enough in the cycle, they can defend, we can assess the defense, and move on (or not) to someone else who's also given adequate time to respond.

 

[Lupin21]

I still haven't seen anything other than I am busy for kata. I am sorely tempted to go there again.

 

[Lupin21]

Actually, I was wondering if there was at least one wolf in my group.

Have you had any more thoughts or feels along this line?

 

[Abnerrs]

I still haven't seen anything other than I am busy for kata. I am sorely tempted to go there again.

I was going to give her a chance to get caught up on the thread

 

[Lupin21]

I was going to give her a chance to get caught up on the thread

I approve, just letting it be known that I am still alert to her presence. haha

 

[Promethean]

I'm against voting to lynch people just for getting on my nerves. There needs to be something more substantial to risk offing a villager, especially in a game where there seem to be so many abilities to go around.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I going to vote to lynch lupin. She is extremely active this game (not that she isn't normally active, just seems leading the conversation). I do recall a game where she was a wolf where she acted similarly.
Could be wrong. Just seems vaguely familiar. I remember thinking she was turning the quiet wolf stereotype on its head.

Lynch lupin.

Although even as i type this, i am pretty hesitant, because if I am wrong and she gets lynched, we lose an active, good player, so TBH I am looking for better options.

 

[DVMDream]

I going to vote to lynch lupin. She is extremely active this game (not that she isn't normally active, just seems leading the conversation). I do recall a game where she was a wolf where she acted similarly.
Could be wrong. Just seems vaguely familiar. I remember thinking she was turning the quiet wolf stereotype on its head.

Lynch lupin.

Although even as i type this, i am pretty hesitant, because if I am wrong and she gets lynched, we lose an active, good player, so TBH I am looking for better options.

Lynch SOV????

😉

 

[Lupin21]

I going to vote to lynch lupin. She is extremely active this game (not that she isn't normally active, just seems leading the conversation). I do recall a game where she was a wolf where she acted similarly.
Could be wrong. Just seems vaguely familiar. I remember thinking she was turning the quiet wolf stereotype on its head.

Lynch lupin.

Although even as i type this, i am pretty hesitant, because if I am wrong and she gets lynched, we lose an active, good player, so TBH I am looking for better options.

heh. Last day of vacay for me, so it is highly likely I'll be less of a loudmouth after today.

 

[deleted676737]

Eh, not quite sure how I feel on Kata. She usually is pretty low-key and tends to not post a whole lot normally, anyway. At least from what I've seen. But then Kam's and Lupin's arguments make enough sense, too, especially in light of it having been D1. And, let's be honest, a simple "I'm busy" is weak as far as defenses go.

I'm not sure that I'm going to throw a vote out quite yet, but I will keep an eye out for any more posts from her.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Lynch SOV????

😉

OT: but I think of your avatar as a fire-breathing cat/dragon for this game.

 

[DVMDream]

OT: but I think of your avatar as a fire-breathing cat/dragon for this game.

I have to change it today for the lounge game.

 

[StartingoverVet]

heh. Last day of vacay for me, so it is highly likely I'll be less of a loudmouth after today.

being on vacation is probably a better explanation.
OT: what is this vacation thing you speak of?

unlynch lupin

not a fan of lynching people cause you don't like their playing style. Never really agreed with that tactic, so I will not vote LOTF cause I just think she is being her usual self.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Doubt it matters but someone blocked me by distractedly talking night 1. Not that it matters, but I hate blockers.

I am off this afternoon so will withhold further judgement for now.

 

[KCgophervet]

Very Uber Official Day 2 Lynch Tally
kata 1 (Kam)
lotf 1 (Dy)
SOV 1 (DVMD)

Waffles: 1
3/25 votes
Deadline 9PM CST/10PM EST

 

[Lupin21]

And where is @SummerTheLynx ? Saw he like something and hasn't spoken up. Maybe BI has him tied up...

 

[KCgophervet]

(PS - just added some clarification fluff to the morning write up)

 

[dyachei]

being on vacation is probably a better explanation.
OT: what is this vacation thing you speak of?

unlynch lupin

not a fan of lynching people cause you don't like their playing style. Never really agreed with that tactic, so I will not vote LOTF cause I just think she is being her usual self.

I don't know if she's being her usual self or not yet.

Not enough posts.

But if playstyle is disrupting enough, damn right I'm going to lynch for it.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

Yeah, day one lynches are a cluster f.

I often do a throwaway vote as a villager because I hate bandwagons for little reason, and sometimes I do it when I am busy and don't want to significantly impact what is going on in the game.

For example, I get to play amateur plumber today, so I may do a throwaway vote. If I can't find time to stay current with the thread.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

And where is @SummerTheLynx ? Saw he like something and hasn't spoken up. Maybe BI has him tied up...

He may have a silent role. Hey pmed our hold in the early am, and changed the whole post to ".".

Leads me to believe he may need something to happen to be able to talk?

 

[Flim Flam Man]

I don't know if she's being her usual self or not yet.

Not enough posts.

But if playstyle is disrupting enough, damn right I'm going to lynch for it.

SOV never liked to lynch WS for similar reasons iirc.

 

[Kam325]

I'm not getting wolfy vibes from LotF yet. She's reacted as I would expect her to as a villager---more angry than suspicious about the votes from Dy and DVMD, knowing she & they have a history of butting heads about play style, but suspicious of the vote against her from STB, which she interprets as a pile-on at the last minute and doesn't ascribe to historical play style conflicts. This reads true to character to me. That's not to say she wouldn't use the suspicions/reactions she'd have as a villager while playing as a wolf---best way to play. But nothing there yet to make me suspicious.

He may have a silent role. Hey pmed our hold in the early am, and changed the whole post to ".".

Leads me to believe he may need something to happen to be able to talk?

Maybe he Rojo'd.

But seriously, looking back at the tallies from yesterday, the vote count was out of 27. There were 28 players, STL didn't vote, but wasn't listed as one of the missing players. So you're likely right and he can't post or vote yet.

 

[WildZoo]

And where is @SummerTheLynx ? Saw he like something and hasn't spoken up. Maybe BI has him tied up...

And here i thought she was the one being kept in his basement!

 

[WildZoo]

Some discussion about if it is a wolf vs village setup and who would be wolves. Whether tithes are going to be a problem and who exactly they are going to. Late lynching yesterday ended with some ties going between FFM, DVMD, HTML, and Lotf. Ended up with HTML, who of course was the tracker.

Thanks lupin.
Forgot I'm going to have to adjust to the shorter lynch cycles again. So hopefully will have time to catch up today.

 

[Skimble]

Though no Thread has fallen, the night was busy, with fire lizards being sent off with messages, Thread shutters being slammed shut, and unfortunately the brutal death of a brave Weyrleader. N'ton had been a night owl obsessed with staring at the stars through a distance viewer. This made him a good protector, as he tried to watch over his fellow Pernese. Unfortunately, the one he should have protected last night was himself. He was found on top of the Star Stones at Fort Weyr, brutally strangled to death. Shortly following, his loyal dragon Lioth jumped between forever, and a mournful keen arose from the dragons as they cried out for the loss of one of their own.

For anyone with knowledge of the story, any idea what this may mean for Lioth?

 

[StartingoverVet]

For anyone with knowledge of the story, any idea what this may mean for Lioth?

lioth be dead.
Dragons can't live when their riders die.

I assume dragons aren't players in this game then????

 

[Lupin21]

lioth be dead.
Dragons can't live when their riders die.

I assume dragons aren't players in this game then????

That was my thought.

 

[Skimble]

lioth be dead.
Dragons can't live when their riders die.

I assume dragons aren't players in this game then????

Hmm, I guess I saw it as confirmation that there were dragons in this game.

 

[Promethean]

For anyone with knowledge of the story, any idea what this may mean for Lioth?

It means Lioth is dead. If that was a player, then we would be down one more.

Dragons are bonded with their Riders and don't take their deaths very well.