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Animal Midwife said:
Okay, alissa's first (and only push outside of self-prez) was MsP. MsP almost immediately crossvoted her and called her out. Do you see what I mean now?
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But alissa was lynched. You are then making a leap that her teammates gaf and revenge killed her. I'm saying there is no way to know that
 
JustPaws said:
But alissa was lynched. You are then making a leap that her teammates gaf and revenge killed her. I'm saying there is no way to know that
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Well, if another scum team went after her, I don't know what's even going on. That was like one the of the few people in her readslist even mentioned. And I'm not even going to touch the idea of a villager doing it.
 
JustPaws said:
But alissa was lynched. You are then making a leap that her teammates gaf and revenge killed her. I'm saying there is no way to know that
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Plus SKs get resolved before mafia/werewolf so when did genny die? Did her kill even go through? Do we have a third werewolf that killed instead? Do we have several SKs that may have done it? WE DONT KNOW
 
JustPaws said:
I just think you are making assumptions we cant make
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I like my assumptions. End of point though, I'm fairly certain she was scumkilled for being right and Pippy trying to push the "BUT WHAT IF THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUMTEAM OMG I'M CLEARED AND VILLAGE NOW" should get heavy evaluation.
 
JustPaws said:
But alissa was lynched. You are then making a leap that her teammates gaf and revenge killed her. I'm saying there is no way to know that
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It's not about revenge, it's that Ms P was basically clear.

I just kinda think AM maybe killed her, because that seems like a choice she would make. I didn't have AM as compatible with Alissa yesterday though, so that doesn't really fit. Probably should go back and read.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I like my assumptions. End of point though, I'm fairly certain she was scumkilled for being right and Pippy trying to push the "BUT WHAT IF THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUMTEAM OMG I'M CLEARED AND VILLAGE NOW" should get heavy evalutation.
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I'm not pushing it, but I think it's stupid if you're letting factions take over your entire evaluation of people's post tone and voting patterns. You should know better.
 
Side bar -- what is natural action resolution?

Is it possible genny targeted me and then died, or is that mechanically impossible?

Because if it's mechanically impossible, then it means that there's another role present in the game that can do the same thing.
 
PippyPony said:
So, Dubz is not village but is village inclusive, but anything that isn't village is officially scum?

If you're going to get after me for not following strict definitions, then I don't think you can decide to apply your own rules willy-nilly in the span of half a page.
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Scum is anything that isn't village.

However, and we've discussed this, the most important thing for village to figure out about a 3P is if they have an inclusive or exclusive wincon (they win with another faction, or they can win making all other factions lose), and if they have an inclusive one, does it include village.

As far as players and meta goes, I tend to want 3P dead more than just about anyone, but even I will set aside a 3P if I can be reasonably certain they are "true neutral" can win with either side or their inclusive wincon includes village. The trick is convincing me of that.

If I think a misyeet of a villager is happening I will vote any 3P in a heartbeat if no other ways of voting out a scum lean are available.

So far feel good about Dubz' claim but I haven't poured over the list.
 
PippyPony said:
I'm not pushing it, but I think it's stupid if you're letting factions take over your entire evaluation of people's post tone and voting patterns. You should know better.
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>coming from a person who's been trying to misyeet a 3p and me all cycle
 
Crayola227 said:
Scum is anything that isn't village.

However, and we've discussed this, the most important thing for village to figure out about a 3P is if they have an inclusive or exclusive wincon (they win with another faction, or they can win making all other factions lose), and if they have an inclusive one, does it include village.

As far as players and meta goes, I tend to want 3P dead more than just about anyone, but even I will set aside a 3P if I can be reasonably certain they are "true neutral" can win with either side or their inclusive wincon includes village. The trick is convincing me of that.

If I think a misyeet of a villager is happening I will vote any 3P in a heartbeat if no other ways of voting out a scum lean are available.

So far feel good about Dubz' claim but I haven't poured over the list.
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How do you feel about vis's claim?
 
I don't understand why everyone and their mother is still holding votes either. It's like you want someone to get accidentally hammered.
 
Animal Midwife said:
>coming from a person who's been trying to misyeet a 3p and me all cycle
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Ok well yes, exactly. I placed this vote for Dubz based on her posts and the progression of yesterday's wagons -- where she was trying to get people to yeet me instead of a wolf -- so explain to me how that is hypocritical.
 
PippyPony said:
Ok well yes, exactly. I placed this vote for Dubz based on her posts and the progression of yesterday's wagons -- where she was trying to get people to yeet me instead of a wolf -- so explain to me how that is hypocritical.
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You had no more than one vote yesterday (though technically zero then too...) and none today. You know now it didn't come from a harmful mindset so that doesn't explain why you're still sitting there unless you're okay with not countering scum on another vote.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I don't understand why everyone and their mother is still holding votes either. It's like you want someone to get accidentally hammered.
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Because everyone is so freaking judgey this game. I thought my votes were perfectly reasonable yesterday, I offered reasons, I offered an alternative to me, and then I self prezed when it was all I had left to save a town I knew versus someone I felt guilty voting because of what I now know was an AtE. I feel uncomfortable voting because I'm unsure how it will get twisted and I wanted more time to think on it and listen to what others said.
 
PippyPony said:
Side bar -- what is natural action resolution?

Is it possible genny targeted me and then died, or is that mechanically impossible?

Because if it's mechanically impossible, then it means that there's another role present in the game that can do the same thing.
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wiki.mafiascum.net

Natural Action Resolution

wiki.mafiascum.net wiki.mafiascum.net
 
Animal Midwife said:
You had no more than one vote yesterday (though technically zero then too...) and none today. You know now it didn't come from a harmful mindset so that doesn't explain why you're still sitting there unless you're okay with not countering scum on another vote.
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"Didn't come from a harmful mindset" --> she is not village. Her goal is to survive and she knows her likelihood of doing so goes down if I'm around to sus her.

From my perspective, that is not equivalent to benign.
 
JustPaws said:
Because everyone is so freaking judgey this game. I thought my votes were perfectly reasonable yesterday, I offered reasons, I offered an alternative to me, and then I self prezed when it was all I had left to save a town I knew versus someone I felt guilty voting because of what I now know was an AtE. I feel uncomfortable voting because I'm unsure how it will get twisted and I wanted more time to think on it and listen to what others said.
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Alright. I can't make people vote, but it will have harsher consequences if pages don't load quickly enough when everyone finally takes the plunge.
 
PippyPony said:
"Didn't come from a harmful mindset" --> she is not village. Her goal is to survive and she knows her likelihood of doing so goes down if I'm around to sus her.

From my perspective, that is not equivalent to benign.
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That's ridiculous pip. I've been 3p needing to survive plenty of times and plopped you in my village reads (Apocalypse and French Quarter come to mind). Whether or not it is correct, my read on you is real. I'm not worried about you sussing me, you do it every game and it never goes anywhere lol
 
PippyPony said:
"Didn't come from a harmful mindset" --> she is not village. Her goal is to survive and she knows her likelihood of doing so goes down if I'm around to sus her.

From my perspective, that is not equivalent to benign.
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Vis isn't village either. I don't see you voting for her.

Regardless, her wincon actively hurts us to be yeeted out because there have been multikills and were already at 7:2, at best.
 
WildZoo said:
That's ridiculous pip. I've been 3p needing to survive plenty of times and plopped you in my village reads (Apocalypse and French Quarter come to mind). Whether or not it is correct, my read on you is real.
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Ok, well it is wrong

That doesn't change why my vote ended up on you this morning
 
JustPaws said:
But alissa was lynched. You are then making a leap that her teammates gaf and revenge killed her. I'm saying there is no way to know that
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I don't want to speak for AM but I don't think that's what she's saying would be why they would kill her after all this.
 
JustPaws said:
Because everyone is so freaking judgey this game. I thought my votes were perfectly reasonable yesterday, I offered reasons, I offered an alternative to me, and then I self prezed when it was all I had left to save a town I knew versus someone I felt guilty voting because of what I now know was an AtE. I feel uncomfortable voting because I'm unsure how it will get twisted and I wanted more time to think on it and listen to what others said.
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The last bit feels more like a scum stance than a village one.
 
JustPaws said:
Does this mean you will be ending day cycle at 9?
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Probably

Lol what if I ended it at like, 8:57. Careful with those waffles
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